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Musk earlier ruffled some feathers in Berlin by praising AfD’s policies, including its tough stance on immigration. During his talk with Weidel, he reaffirmed his belief that “only AfD can save Germany” ahead of the 2025 parliamentary election.
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00:00:00Welcome, Alice. Thank you for joining Spaces. And I look forward to this discussion. And
00:00:08perhaps we could start by outlining, if you could outline what AFD's platform is,
00:00:15what are the main things you're aiming for? Where does Germany need change? And just to educate
00:00:20people who have never heard of AFD or IFD, if you could read German. And a lot of people,
00:00:29especially in America, have never heard of AFD. So perhaps this will be very helpful.
00:00:36Okay. Thank you very much, Elon, for having me and to give us this opportunity to openly speak
00:00:44about different matters. Let me just, can you hear me?
00:00:51I can, yes.
00:00:52Perfect. Perfect. To start with who we are, the AFD is the alternative for Germany.
00:01:03It is a relatively new party founded 11 years ago during the course of the euro
00:01:18problems. So unfortunately, I have to start when I shed some light on our party
00:01:27with the quite negative circumstances in Germany.
00:01:34Our country is a great country with highly motivated people, but our country has been
00:01:42governed not in a proper way within the last 20, 25 years. We had the Angela Merkel administration
00:01:52for 16 years, and then the so-called traffic light coalition that imploded last year,
00:01:59and now we're heading elections. In my point of view, Angela Merkel, the first green chancellor,
00:02:09she ruined basically our country. She enforced, without asking the people,
00:02:15she enforced to open our borders for illegal immigration in 2015. She wrecked and destroyed
00:02:25our backbone in terms of obnoxious energy policy. For the foreign listeners here in this audience,
00:02:38Germany is the only industrial country that unplugged the nuclear power plant.
00:02:50The aim of Angela Merkel was to enforce just solar and wind energy. You don't need to be
00:03:04very smart to encounter that you cannot run an industrial country with just wind and solar,
00:03:14because you don't have any energy and electricity when the sun doesn't shine and when the wind
00:03:22doesn't blow. This is a major problem. I'm a big fan of solar energy, but clearly if a country
00:03:32is at a very high latitude, then the amount of solar power in the winter is going to be
00:03:37substantially reduced. Of course, there's a significant difference in the day and night
00:03:42cycle of energy usage. A lot of power can be done with solar and with large-scale grid energy
00:03:52batteries, but it must be supplemented with other forms of power because there's not a lot of
00:03:59sunshine in the middle of winter in Germany. The solution obviously must be a multi-faceted solution
00:04:08where there is certainly the renewables, but also there does need to be some amount of
00:04:15fossil fuel energy and especially nuclear. I think nuclear is very much underrated. I think it was
00:04:23tragic for Germany to shut down the nuclear power plants. In fact, they're very well designed.
00:04:28I think that the right move is in fact to increase the amount of nuclear power
00:04:33substantially in Germany. This would be great. Yes, absolutely.
00:04:43That was the reason why I wanted to shed some light on the current situation, so in order to
00:04:49form an opinion on what our parties stand for. This is exactly what you said. We stand for
00:04:57an energy supply diversification. We cannot run an industrial country like Germany with a
00:05:06still strong manufacturing base. To tell you the truth, our manufacturing production
00:05:16peaked in 2018 and it plummeted since then due to high energy costs. You cannot run a country like
00:05:24that. Therefore, we say, look, we need to be technology open and we need to reinforce again
00:05:32nuclear power plants because nuclear energy supply is carbon-free. Therefore, we would also
00:05:43reduce our carbon footprint, which is obnoxiously very high. This is the entire irony about it.
00:05:52Our governments, like the Angela Merkel government and the so-called ridiculous
00:05:58traffic light coalition, they enforced a green policy upon our country that doesn't work.
00:06:05Yes, and we would like to go back to technology openness here.
00:06:11Yes, I think that makes a lot of sense. My recommendation, and I've said this publicly
00:06:15before, is that Germany should not merely reopen the nuclear power plants, but substantially
00:06:20increase the power generation. In the same space, meaning without increasing the size of nuclear
00:06:30power plants in any meaningful way, without increasing the amount of land area that it uses,
00:06:34you can dramatically increase the power output of a nuclear power station because
00:06:38the actual core part of the power station is extremely tiny. People don't quite realize just
00:06:44how small the center core of a nuclear power plant is. It's amazingly tiny. You can actually,
00:06:52in the same land area, no increased land area, dramatically increase the amount of nuclear power
00:06:57that any given nuclear power station is producing. You do need a water source to run
00:07:05the steam turbines, but really far more power output is possible than people realize. I think
00:07:14the sensible solution is renewables, but with a lot of nuclear, and then to supplement where
00:07:23that there has to be some amount of hydrocarbon power generation to supplement. It just needs to
00:07:32be sensible. Yes, absolutely. Do you know what? Just let me do one more example.
00:07:42Because wind turbines, wind energy, in comparison to nuclear power supply,
00:07:50is highly inefficient also in terms of land use. For instance, I give one example just to
00:07:59shed some light on it. If you were to replace one nuclear power plant, let's say like one
00:08:05Emsland nuclear power plant here in Germany, with an annual electricity production of 10 billion
00:08:12kilowatt per hour with modern wind turbines, with a production of just 8 million kilowatt per hour
00:08:20per year, you would need 1,250 wind turbines just to replace this one power plant. With a
00:08:33rotor diameter of 70 meters and the minimum distance from large wind farms,
00:08:40you end up around with like 100 square kilometers. For example, this corresponds to half of the
00:08:47city, major city of Stuttgart. This entire thing, and just to stress the fact again,
00:09:00you don't need to be very smart just to do your calculations. The crazy thing is like a bunch of
00:09:13these energy questions, you do not need to be like a world-leading physicist. It's very basic math,
00:09:23less than high school level math. I'd say middle school math even. It's very straightforward.
00:09:29It's not complicated. Yes, absolutely. During the war of Ukraine, our gas supply was just destroyed
00:09:50and that actually shed some light on our severe dependence on Russian gas. Do you
00:09:58know what the government decided in this crisis when the energy prices skyrocketed
00:10:05after we were cut off of cheap energy supply from Russia? They switched off the last nuclear
00:10:15power plant to even more create a shortage of energy. Either you must be very stupid
00:10:23or you just hate your own country.
00:10:32I think it's mostly the very stupid category. There's an old saying that one should never
00:10:38ascribe to malice that which can easily be explained by incompetence.
00:10:43Yes, you're perfectly right.
00:10:48When I saw that Germany was turning off the power plants after being cut off
00:10:52from gas supplies from Russia, I thought this is one of the craziest things I've ever seen.
00:10:58Just when Germany most needs electricity, Germany is shutting down one of the best sources of
00:11:05electricity, which is nuclear power. Yes, and completely carbon-free.
00:11:10Yes, crazy, crazy. It's crazy.
00:11:13Yes. I guess, to summarize, the two main things that AFD is aiming for in terms of change is
00:11:28a sensible energy policy and a sensible immigration policy.
00:11:35Yes, exactly.
00:11:36Exactly. Actually, even more. If I may continue a little bit, because now it's a complete new
00:11:50situation for me that I just can have a normal conversation and I'm not interrupted or negatively
00:11:59framed, how that has been in the media the case in the last 10 years, which is completely
00:12:06ridiculous. What we also stand for, since we are a conservative libertarian party, so at least we
00:12:16see ourselves like this, but we are extremely negatively framed as a so-called extremist party
00:12:23by the mainstream media. We just say, look, we need to reduce bureaucracy. We need to free
00:12:31our firms, our companies, the individuals of the subnoxious bureaucratic conditions here.
00:12:40Do you know how long it takes, how many days it takes to get a business permit in Germany?
00:12:46Just guess.
00:12:47Well, as it turns out, I do.
00:12:49Oh, yeah. It's a big plan. So, how many days did it take you?
00:12:54I have a car factory just near Berlin, so we had many, many challenges. To be clear,
00:13:04we actually had a lot of support, a lot of local support, a lot of local support from the local
00:13:09government, from the national government. Despite all that support, just the sheer number of rules
00:13:15that the people in the government are required to follow is completely crazy. I think it was
00:13:2425,000 pages was our permit, and it had to be printed on paper.
00:13:3125,000?
00:13:33Yes. I think maybe more than that in the end. 25,000, and then there had to be many,
00:13:39many copies made, so it literally was a truck of paper.
00:13:46Surely, we can make this electronic. Isn't that better?
00:13:49No, not possible. You need to have that on paper in Germany.
00:13:53No, it has to be paper. I'm like, this is crazy. This is only a few years ago. It's
00:13:57not the distant past. We're a quarter of the way through the 21st century. It's like, guys,
00:14:05it was just 25,000 actual printed pages, and then I believe every page needed to be stamped
00:14:12with a physical stamp. I mean, it's going to really tire somebody out to do so much.
00:14:20They're going to get some...
00:14:22Many, many people with tired arms.
00:14:24Yeah, they're going to get a repetitive stress injury from having to stamp.
00:14:30Stress injuries?
00:14:32Yeah.
00:14:34Seriously, send it to the hospital or something. I mean, that's...
00:14:36Yeah.
00:14:41I'm not trying to blame the sort of individuals who are doing this time,
00:14:44because they are just following the rules, so we have to change the rules.
00:14:51I think, in my view, for all countries, but especially countries that have enjoyed
00:14:55prosperity for a long time, it is extremely important to have what I call sort of garbage
00:15:00collection of rules, which is to re-examine the rules and regulations and make sure that
00:15:07they are clearly a net good. If there's any doubt about them being a net good,
00:15:11we should eliminate them, because otherwise, we get to this point where everything is illegal.
00:15:17It's just absolutely crazy.
00:15:21Absolutely. Absolutely. It's not only about bureaucracy. It's also about taxes.
00:15:28Germany has the highest taxes of all OECD countries. The normal German employee,
00:15:38he works more than half of a year for the state. You have to imagine that.
00:15:44Like with taxes plus social security. More than half of the year, you work for this
00:15:53dysfunctioning state, because the state does not provide the vital provisions for the people here.
00:16:05He doesn't provide for security, so we have skyrocketing criminal rights here.
00:16:11He doesn't care about education, so we have this same insane,
00:16:18woke-ish, left-ish, socialist agenda in our educational system. The young people,
00:16:25they don't learn anything in school, in university, et cetera. They just learn about gender studies.
00:16:36I was under the impression that Germany had a pretty good education system that
00:16:48was quite rigorous with the gymnasium and all that sort of stuff. At least it used to at one point.
00:16:57It sounds like the woke mind virus has infected Germany quite badly.
00:17:05You have the international standard of PISA testing, so the PISA survey.
00:17:12Germany, a couple of years ago, was okay scored, okay scored. But now, we just plummeted,
00:17:22because the survey showed that young people are not able to properly do math or speak or write
00:17:30German. In some states here in Germany, you have to imagine, they just abolished the writing grades
00:17:40in terms to get the language grade right. You don't need to write German properly anymore,
00:17:49because our entire educational system has been deteriorating. That is also the reason, for
00:17:57instance, why young people, they vote for us now, because they want to have a proper education,
00:18:06and they want to have back a proper educational system that provides the young people with
00:18:18capabilities. That is also the reason why my personal opinion is that we have to go back to
00:18:27a merit-based system. We need to go back to a merit-based incentive system and to go away from
00:18:35all this socialist gender things being in our educational system. The families and the parents,
00:18:43they have the responsibility of their children, and the schools and the universities, they have
00:18:50some responsibility to give good education and not all this vogue socialist nonsensical gender stuff.
00:18:59Sure, no, absolutely. I mean, the whole point of going to school is to learn
00:19:05useful skills that help you in life, help you be productive and understand the world.
00:19:11Yes. Otherwise, it's not a school. It's just a propaganda institution.
00:19:18True. Yeah. Okay, well, I mean, that makes a lot of sense.
00:19:27So, maybe I can just go on, because I was just giving an example of the educational system
00:19:37where the state fails, because our state, the government collected in the last year
00:19:45a record high of income tax. So, they collected like around, like above one trillion, right,
00:19:56of euros. So, it is a record high tax, but the state, they cannot handle taxpayers' money. So,
00:20:06what do they do? So, they just throw the money out of the window for immigration in our social
00:20:16system, for instance. So, since 2015, just to give you some numbers and also the audience to have
00:20:23an idea what's going on here in Germany. So, we had an influx of almost seven million people,
00:20:33seven million people, but these are the officially counted.
00:20:38Seven million people? Wow, okay.
00:20:40Seven million people of influx since 2015, officially counted. And then, because the
00:20:47people, they just, just another funny numbers, our state allows people to throw away their
00:20:55passports before they cross our borders that are not protected and controlled. So, 57%,
00:21:03almost 60% of the people coming into our country through an open border, they throw
00:21:09away their papers. Why do they do that? Because once entered our country, our funny country,
00:21:16with this funny immigration policy, they cannot be deported anymore. So, that's the reason why.
00:21:22So, our state, our government, like the Angela Merkel government and the last one,
00:21:30they proclaimed a policy that everyone can choose to cross our border to immigrate into
00:21:37our social security system and cannot be deported afterwards because they threw away their passports.
00:21:46I mean, like, how insane is that?
00:21:50Well, it is very insane, but that's exactly what's happened in the U.S.
00:21:53Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:21:54I mean, clearly, there's this, you know, there's a sort of, I don't know, a sort of far left
00:21:59agenda that's being pushed throughout Western civilization, any place they can go, because
00:22:05the exact same thing was done in the U.S. where, and now they are sort of calling people
00:22:11illegal immigrants, they call them undocumented. And the reason they're undocumented is because
00:22:15they threw away their passport, just like you're talking about. In fact, on the Mexican side of
00:22:20the border in the U.S., there's a giant pile of discarded passports and driver's licenses,
00:22:27like a huge pile.
00:22:30Because it's actually worse to come in with a passport than to come in with nothing.
00:22:36And then, just like in Germany, the Democrat government then gives massive amounts of
00:22:43money and support to what they call undocumented. But if they're undocumented, we actually have no
00:22:50idea if they are a murderer, rapist. We have no idea because there are no documents, so we can't
00:22:56actually tell. And so, as a result, there's been a massive influx of criminals into the U.S.
00:23:03Because, and frankly, I mean, I'm wondering what's taking criminals so long to come here?
00:23:09This is a, I mean, America is a target-rich environment.
00:23:16In America, it's so easy to steal things in these wealthy neighborhoods. It's like the only thing
00:23:20that is going to slow down how much you can steal is if your back hurts from carrying out all the
00:23:26goods. It's like, because you're just like, you're not a robber, you're just a moving company.
00:23:32So, you know, it seems like all the world's criminals just come to America on that basis
00:23:39because it's much easier to be a career criminal in America than it is in other countries where
00:23:46there's not that much to steal. So, there's a massive increase in crime in the U.S.
00:23:54Yeah. May I ask a question on that? So, I read that, for instance, in California,
00:24:03by the way, I'm very sorry what's happening there. It's terrible. It's really terrible to see.
00:24:08And yeah, it's terrible. But in the case of California, that they just lifted
00:24:16the prosecution of theft because you have so many cases of theft. Is it true?
00:24:26Yes. The de facto situation in California is that theft is almost never prosecuted. It's maybe
00:24:34one or two, maybe 1% of the time is that prosecuted. And even when it is prosecuted,
00:24:42the criminals are let out on bail immediately. So, basically, theft is legal in California.
00:24:49How would it be? It's crazy. It's crazy.
00:24:53Yeah. Now, there was recently a referendum in California to make stealing illegal again.
00:25:05And actually, that was a very popular and it passed because it was actually
00:25:11because it was actually literally legal to steal anything under $1,000,
00:25:15which means people could just walk into a store at $1,000 at a time and take out anything they want.
00:25:21And if the storekeeper stopped them, the storekeeper would be arrested.
00:25:27So, this is literally like the Joker and Batman. It's like the criminals are in charge and the
00:25:34honest citizens are arrested. It's just completely insane. Now, like I said, the people in California
00:25:40did vote overwhelmingly to make theft illegal again. But astonishingly, the governor of
00:25:48California, Governor Newsom, he was against the making theft illegal.
00:25:56And he just didn't implement it?
00:25:59Yeah. But what they're going to do is, even though it is technically illegal again,
00:26:06the far left will refuse to enforce it.
00:26:09Unbelievable.
00:26:11Because you really need two things for something to work, for laws to work. You need both the law
00:26:17and you need enforcement of the law. And if you don't have... I mean, this is something that
00:26:23George Soros really figured out. I mean, he's sort of a brilliant guy, but honestly, very
00:26:29anti-human in my opinion, is that you don't actually need to change the law. We just need
00:26:33to stop enforcement of the law. And that does the trick.
00:26:39Unbelievable.
00:26:41But I think there is somewhat of a reawakening in the U.S. and I think even in California,
00:26:47people are tired of this and they want change. And I think that's really, if you say like,
00:26:53people are wondering, why did Donald Trump win? And it wasn't just a small victory.
00:27:01In the U.S. elections this year, President Trump won the Electoral College. He also won the popular
00:27:08vote, majority of the people. And the House is Republican and the Senate is Republican.
00:27:15What this says is the American people are demanding change. That'd be very clear.
00:27:22And my recommendation to the people in Germany is to do the same. If you are unhappy with the
00:27:29situation, you must vote for change. And that is why I'm really strongly recommending that people
00:27:35vote for AFD. That's my strong recommendation. And I think this is simply the sensible move.
00:27:45And I think Alice Beadle is a very reasonable person and hopefully people can tell just
00:27:50from this conversation, like nothing outrageous is being proposed, just common sense.
00:27:57So, in fact, as I've said publicly, I think only AFD can save Germany.
00:28:04And I just want to be very clear about that. Only AFD can save Germany. End of story.
00:28:10And people really need to get behind AFD and otherwise things are going to get very,
00:28:15very much worse in Germany. Yes, because you rightly said there is a difference of making a
00:28:24law and then enforcing it. So now we have the situation in Germany where you have on the one
00:28:29hand, you have the AFD and on the other hand, what's so-called the uniparties, right? The uniparty
00:28:37consisting of all the others, because they stick together and no matter what they say,
00:28:46they're not able to implement, to enforce the promises they're doing in every election,
00:28:52especially the Angela Merkel party. Do you know that the chancellor candidate, so my running mate
00:29:01of the Chris Democratic Party, that it's wrongly labeled, for instance, by The Economist as a
00:29:08center-right party. So in my opinion, it's a leftist green party. But anyway, Angela Merkel
00:29:13was the first green chancellor we had here. So what he did is that he, by the way, just talking
00:29:23about interference. So I just look it up here. He called your interests, so your interests in
00:29:32German politics, pushy and presumptuous. What did you say about George Soros? Yeah, exactly. And
00:29:40Bill Gates. So that was not a problem when Bill Gates actually tried to sell his mRNA vaccination
00:29:50and not mentioning all the huge side effects on people's health. And no one takes responsibility
00:29:59about that. And the entire bluff and scam of wearing a mask, right? So yes, it's unbelievable.
00:30:08And also that candidate of the Chris Democrats, like Friedrich Merz, he warned the world about
00:30:15the consequences of voting for Donald Trump in October last year. So far for foreign
00:30:24interferences, right? So it's unbelievable. It's really unbelievable how Donald Trump was treated
00:30:32by German media and German politicians during his election campaign was unbelievable. And I
00:30:40mentioned that before in a Bloomberg interview, it created for me, it created physical pain to
00:30:47see that how he was disparaged like and his entire family. So yeah, so I feel very sorry for these
00:30:56people. Just like, yeah, saying negative things. And now, while we talk, 150 bureaucrats of the
00:31:10European Union are watching us, our conversation to enforce this ridiculous Digital Services Act
00:31:20that is nothing, nothing else than a censorship on free speech, but free speech, right? And you
00:31:30said it, free speech is a precondition of democracy. If you are not able to form a proper opinion and
00:31:37exchange opinions and ideas, and a democracy should be a competition of the best ideas, right?
00:31:45Absolutely. Exactly. Without freedom of speech, people are obviously not able to say what they
00:31:53want to say. And then they cannot make an informed vote. So if people are simply fed propaganda and
00:32:01have no access to what's really going on, then they can't make an informed vote. And then you
00:32:08don't have a real democracy. So that's why I say, free speech is the bedrock of democracy.
00:32:15There must be free speech in order for people to make an informed vote. So that's essential. And
00:32:22you can sort of, it's actually quite easy to tell who the bad guys are. It's like,
00:32:26who wants to shut down freedom of speech? They are the bad guys. That's very clear.
00:32:31Yes. And do you know what Adolf Hitler did? The first thing, he switched off
00:32:42free speech. So he controlled the media. And without that, he would have never been successful.
00:32:52Yes, exactly. But this is what you do. Absolutely. Yeah, no, exactly. That was
00:33:01one of the first things he did was to control the media and imposed extreme censorship.
00:33:09And really, what he was trying to do was shut down any pro-Semitic media. Anything pro-Semitic
00:33:17or any defense of the Jewish people was shut down. For those who want censorship,
00:33:29I think they should be careful what they ask for. Because once you institute censorship,
00:33:35it's only a matter of time before that censorship is turned on you. And eventually,
00:33:39they will censor you. And that's the danger. Because people love to censor
00:33:45the things they don't agree with, but they don't realize that one day that censorship
00:33:49is going to be turned on them. Absolutely. Yeah. So, I mean, you mentioned, of course,
00:33:57Hitler and whatnot. Now, a lot of the media wants to portray AfD as far right,
00:34:05as somehow associated with Nazism or something like that. Perhaps you could address that concern.
00:34:12Because, you know, people, when they have sort of right wing in Germany, they naturally have
00:34:18a bit of a negative reaction. Yes. Thank you. Thank you for the question. First of all,
00:34:28I would like to, since I'm an economist, I would like to shed some light on the idea,
00:34:39when we talk about Hitler, on the idea of the National Socialists.
00:34:45Back then, during the Third Reich, the National Socialists, as the word says,
00:34:51they were socialists. They were nationalized industries. Yes, absolutely. He was a communist
00:35:01and he considered himself as a socialist. So, what they did, they state funded then the
00:35:15private companies and then they asked for huge taxes. And then also, wait a second, I need to
00:35:25the word now, nationalize the entire industry. Yeah, you said that before. And the biggest
00:35:36success, the biggest success after that terrible era in our history was to label Adolf Hitler as
00:35:48right and conservative. He was exactly the opposite. He wasn't a conservative. He wasn't
00:35:55a libertarian. He was a communist socialist guy. So, full stop, no more comment on that.
00:36:04And we are exactly the opposite. We are a libertarian conservative party. And see,
00:36:11look at this now, during the discussion of this terrible Hamas attack on Israel.
00:36:19So, only the leftist Palestinians, they criticize the policies here. So, you have a deeply vested
00:36:32anti-Semitism within the leftist movement. And it was always that case. Why? And Adolf Hitler,
00:36:40he also played with that. He played with the envy of people. Jewish people have been highly educated,
00:36:49very cultivated, and they were successful. They were wealthy people back in Germany then.
00:36:55And then he enforced the envy of the population against these people. And it was a socialist
00:37:04measure taken against them. Look at Stalin, look at the Soviet Union under Stalin, the very same
00:37:11thing. So, he was nothing else than an anti-Semitic socialist. And we are exactly the opposite. We are
00:37:18a libertarian conservative party. We are wrongly framed the entire time. And we would like to free
00:37:26the people of the state. I want to have independently thinking people, self-confident people.
00:37:33I would like to have a state that is minimized, minimized to his functions, and letting the people
00:37:43having their freedom of speech, freedom of wealth also, like generating wealth. With these obnoxiously
00:37:50high taxes, the state erodes the backbone of wealth, right? So, the people are not able to
00:38:00accumulate wealth that makes them independent from the state. So, I would like to have independently
00:38:07thinking, well-educated people who have the freedom to form their own opinion. I want to have
00:38:15strong leaders in Germany. I don't want to have stupid weak leaders as we had in the last couple
00:38:22of years, because these people cannot think straight. And they're a big danger. Look at the
00:38:28war in Ukraine now. They're a big danger to our national security and to actually to the entire
00:38:36European security. This is also my hope in Donald Trump and in you, in your administration,
00:38:46that you end that terrible war, this worthless, worthless dying of young people every day,
00:38:52like as fast as you can, because the Europeans, they cannot. They actually given up on everything,
00:38:59like on a good military, on a good negotiation power. They completely depend on the U.S.
00:39:08in the sense of, oh, the U.S.A. need to do the entire job. We don't need to do anything.
00:39:15We just escalate the entire conflict against Russia. It's very dangerous what's going on
00:39:23here. And only you can, you can, you can basically stop it. Yeah, I mean, I think
00:39:31President Trump is going to, is going to solve that conflict, I think, very quickly.
00:39:38As you point out, it's now been somewhat of a stalemate for a few years. And all that's
00:39:43happened over the past few years is hundreds of thousands of people dying, but for no gains.
00:39:49Yeah. And the longer this conflict goes on, the more Ukraine weakens relative to Russia. I mean,
00:39:56Ukraine is a much smaller country. It simply cannot afford the losses relative to Russia.
00:40:01Russia has, it's just, you know, this is, the longer the strike's on, the worse it is for,
00:40:09for Ukraine. And then you've got all these poor, you know, men dying for nothing. Why?
00:40:17So, I hope this can be, this, this terrible conflict can be resolved quickly. And I think
00:40:25it will be under President Trump. Yeah, it will be great, actually, because this is our, no,
00:40:29really, like, that the people here, like, like many people are anxious. And they're anxious
00:40:38for a very good reason, I think. Because this conflict, conflict has a potential to escalate
00:40:45big time towards a nuclear exchange. And here, the European governments, they have no measure,
00:40:52they have no strategy, they have no red line, no storyline of their foreign and security policy
00:41:00towards Russia, towards Ukraine. They have no strategy to end that. And they don't have the
00:41:06military power, right? So, they underspend the budget to NATO for, actually, for decades, like,
00:41:15for, for a very long time. Like, the average, for instance, of Germany, because the share of GDP is
00:41:23supposed to be 2%. So, Germany, on average, I think, was just, like, slightly above 1%.
00:41:30So, Germany didn't contribute. But Germany is also not prudent of the defendants of our own
00:41:39country. So, this is the second thing. So, we are, we are, we are completely dependent on the US. But
00:41:46I think, and I've listened to this very interesting speech of JD Vance. He said, he doesn't want to,
00:41:56he doesn't want to have client states, right? Yeah. So, he wants to have independent states
00:42:05who, that also form their own independent opinion on things, right? So, you, you, you, for instance,
00:42:15in your companies, you don't want to be surrounded by yes people, and by mediocre people, right? So,
00:42:21me neither. So, I try to acquire. Absolutely. Yeah. So, I try to, also, I try to, to, to,
00:42:29to have the best people in my team. And these best people, they have the task to criticize me
00:42:37every day. And I don't want to have yes sayers, right? Because you cannot learn. So, you have
00:42:44no mistake correction. Sorry, I just said yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, people. No, but, but
00:42:54it's so, but it's so important. No, no, yes. No. Yeah. Yes. So, but yeah, no, absolutely. I mean,
00:43:02for say, my companies like SpaceX and Tesla, if, you know, if, if, if, if we are constantly
00:43:09looking for critical feedback, because if we make a mistake, then the rockets blow up,
00:43:13and the cars don't work. Yeah. So, you know, physics is, is very unforgiving. You know,
00:43:19there's, you know, I say, like, really, physics is the law. And, and everything else is a
00:43:23recommendation, because I've seen people break every kind of law, but I haven't seen them break
00:43:28physics. And so, if you don't get the design of the rocket, and the operation of the rocket
00:43:34exactly right, and if even one thing is wrong, the rocket explodes. Yeah. So, you know, that's,
00:43:40I'm a strong believer in seeking critical feedback. And in fact, I think critical
00:43:43feedback should be viewed as a gift. Yes, absolutely. Yes. So, no, no, no, but, but
00:43:55just, just, just to continue on the topic. So, if you don't have that feedback loop,
00:44:04so your, your rocket may explode, right? But here in this critical phase of this terrible war in,
00:44:12in the Ukraine, many people may die due to these stupid policies that have been made.
00:44:21Many people have died. Yeah, indeed. Yeah. So, well, let's touch on some, some maybe potential,
00:44:30what people may view as hot button issues. Like, what are your views on Israel?
00:44:35Oh, very complicated. The more, no, no, really, like,
00:44:42the more, the more I read about the Middle East and the situation in Israel, the more complicated
00:44:48it gets. And to be honest, I wanted to ask you about a potential solution, because to be honest,
00:44:57like in my humble opinion, I don't see a, a, a solution. So maybe, maybe Israel have to find some
00:45:10alliances with the Sunni states, maybe if possible. And yeah, to be honest, from my point of view,
00:45:20like from my perspective, it's a very complicated situation. And I don't, you know, I'm not this
00:45:28person. I'm not a politician. If you ask a question that I do this, blah, blah, blah.
00:45:34I really say what I think to, to do honest politics. And to be honest, I don't know.
00:45:44Very, like, to be very frank, I don't know how to solve the conflict at this point in time. And I
00:45:51hope maybe you have an answer on that. Sorry for, for, for being dissatisfactory, but it's so
00:45:59complicated. And I want to give prudent answer. And in case of Israel, I don't know how to resolve
00:46:06this conflict, to be honest. Well, I guess maybe another way to say it is,
00:46:12do you unequivocally support the existence of the State of Israel?
00:46:15Yes, of course. Okay. That's what people want to know.
00:46:22Asking questions that maybe seem very obvious, but...
00:46:25No, no. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. Now, now I see why this question. No, absolutely. So,
00:46:33so we need to protect the existence of Israel. And we need to protect not only the existence
00:46:40of the State of Israel. I also think that Benjamin Netanyahu have made many mistakes
00:46:47in the past, to be honest. But we also need to take our responsibility as a German nation-state
00:46:55to protect Jewish life, Jewish people in our country, who are exposed right now to, to,
00:47:05to Muslim, Muslim crime, right? So they are not safe here anymore. So you, I don't know if you,
00:47:16if you saw some videos here of the streets of Berlin. I'm right now in my office in Berlin.
00:47:25But like with all these demonstrations of the Palestinians here, well,
00:47:31a Jew could not walk through the street anymore, right? And we have, have a, a huge potential of
00:47:43anti-Semitic crime against the Jewish people. And to be very frank, to be very frank here,
00:47:52the AFD is the only protector. And I'm saying that like, very frankly,
00:48:00the Alternative für Deutschland, the AFD is the only, can only be the only protector of the Jewish
00:48:08people within here in Germany, because the Uni party, all other parties, they did exactly the
00:48:15opposite. They let like millions of people in, they let do, let them do crimes on our streets,
00:48:23like the crime rate are skyrocketing. And so the Jewish people, they leave our country. When I,
00:48:30when I talk to my Jewish friends who live in Germany and in Switzerland and in France and
00:48:36in Austria, they were very afraid after the Hamas attack on the 7th of October, because
00:48:46they were, they were, they were afraid that they would likely to be attacked by, by Palestinians,
00:48:55by Hamas supporters or by the Antifa or by the leftist terrorists. I don't know, but they were
00:49:01very afraid, very sensitive from going on the streets. And we, we step up for this people,
00:49:10even though the opposite in the mainstream media, the opposite is claimed. But this is, this is,
00:49:19this is not true. It's just a, it's just a lie about our party. Yes, I think that's, that's
00:49:26what I wanted to just make it clear that, that, that AFD is being massively misrepresented,
00:49:32especially in the, in the Western media. So, yeah, and, you know, and, and, you know,
00:49:39obviously I very much support the state of Israel, but I mean, I also believe that, that we want to
00:49:45be mindful and, and have empathy for, you know, civilians who are, who are dying as well.
00:49:52The, you know, when I've had conversations with Prime Minister Netanyahu, and I think
00:49:59I think we're largely agreed. I mean, there's, there's really, there's three steps, which is
00:50:04like you, there's, there's no choice but to eliminate those who wish to eliminate the state
00:50:11of Israel, you know, Hamas essentially. But then, and then the second step is to fix the education
00:50:19so that, you know, people, Palestinians are not trained from when they are children to,
00:50:26to hate and want the death of Israel. So, you've got to fix the education system. And, and then
00:50:31the third thing, which is also very important, is to, to make the Palestinian areas prosperous.
00:50:38This is, this third step is very important. And, and this, this may, this is maybe the hardest
00:50:44step, which is, but you have to have that third step, you have to bring prosperity,
00:50:51you have to help rebuild, and you have to bring prosperity. And I've had this conversation with,
00:50:55with many people in Israel, I said that third step is essential. True. And they've asked me,
00:51:03well, when has this worked? And I'm like, well, I'll give you a very big example.
00:51:07You know, after World War I, the Treaty of Versailles was extremely unfair to Germany.
00:51:13And it created a massive amount of resentment. And the Treaty of Versailles laid the foundation
00:51:20with its extreme reparations for, laid the foundation for World War II. Without the
00:51:26Treaty of Versailles, Hitler would not have succeeded. Yes, sure. And, yes. And, and so,
00:51:32and then, but if you look at, so then the lesson was learned. So then after World War II,
00:51:38when Germany and Japan were defeated, the US actually helped rebuild Japan and Germany,
00:51:46providing financial support to rebuild Japan and Germany, and now Japan and Germany are allies.
00:51:53And, and this is a very important and fundamental lesson of history. Yes, you're absolutely right.
00:52:02When, after the, the Hamas attack, I, I just opened Google Maps to have a look, okay,
00:52:12what is the geographic situation there? And when you see the Gaza Stripe, right,
00:52:19it's a Gaza Stripe, which is just locked, locked in, with no resources, and not even water supplies.
00:52:30So there can be cut off a water supply and, and other supplies, just like, just,
00:52:37just like instantaneously. And this construction, also like, like just having a look, like from,
00:52:46from a geographic perspective, you don't need to be very smart that this is,
00:52:51this is not going to work out. And to make this area wealthy with, with specific measure being
00:53:02taken, it's a very vital first step. True. Yeah, I think, I think it's essential.
00:53:11It requires overriding the natural human instinct for reciprocity, which is that, you know,
00:53:18basically an eye for an eye, you know, but the problem with an eye for an eye is that if you
00:53:22keep doing that, an eye for an eye, as the saying goes, an eye for an eye makes everyone blind.
00:53:27That's why I think there's great wisdom to forgiveness. Yeah. You know, you need both
00:53:32strength and forgiveness. But this, this is the only way to stop the endless cycle of violence.
00:53:42It's a very nice, nice sentence. Like the eye for an eye makes, makes everyone blind.
00:53:50Yeah, exactly. So yeah, so hopefully that, that, that can be the future. That's the best future I
00:53:59can think of. I think any, there's, there's not some other future that's, that, that's, that,
00:54:04that works. So, so how about, may I ask you another question? Because we just jumped topics.
00:54:18What is your point of view? So, so, so we stopped that your administration will end
00:54:27the war in Ukraine very swiftly. But what is, what is your perspective on the instruments and
00:54:37measures that could be taken? So would you like to talk about it? Can you talk about it a little
00:54:45bit? So what we could expect? Yeah. Well, to be clear, I mean, this, this is up to president
00:54:52Trump, you know, he is the commander in chief. And so it's, it's really, you know, you know,
00:55:03up to him. So I don't want, I don't want to speak for him. So, but I, but I, you know, I just, I do
00:55:10think that there's, there is a path here to a resolution and it does require strong leadership
00:55:18in the United States in order to, to get this done. So, yeah. But I'm confident that it can
00:55:28be done. Okay. Yeah. And I do think it's possible to have peace in the Middle East as well. These
00:55:35are, these are possible. So, and I think that would be a great future for the world. Yeah. So
00:55:42yeah. No, great. So it's absolutely fair. So, so very, very fine with me.
00:55:56Yes. Well, let's see. Are there any other topics we should discuss or if you have any questions
00:56:02for me or anything? Yes. Yes, absolutely. Because, because, because I want to ask and
00:56:08many people are interested in that. So why do you believe that flying to Mars and populate Mars
00:56:20is your top priority topic, the SpaceX? And when do you think, when will you be ready
00:56:31to have a human expedition to, to Mars? If you, if you allow, if I may ask this question,
00:56:40because everyone is interested. So these are great projects, right?
00:56:45Yeah. Well, I mean, I think at a very high level, I think sort of like what, what set of actions
00:56:54are going to lead to the long-term prosperity of civilization,
00:57:02you know, the sort of a growth in the scale and scope of consciousness.
00:57:08You know, the, to the best of our knowledge, there, we are the only place with, with life,
00:57:15or certainly the only place with life that, that is intelligent in some form. A lot of people think,
00:57:21there must be aliens, but I've not seen any evidence of aliens. And if the archaeological
00:57:28records are correct, you know, earth is one half billion years old, but civilization as measured
00:57:34from the first writing is only about 5,000 years old, which is about 1 millionth of earth's
00:57:39existence. So we're all of human civilization is a tiny flash in the pan so far. And so we have to
00:57:47say, well, what steps can we take to ensure the long-term survival of, of life as we know it,
00:57:54of consciousness. And if we are a multi-planet species, the probable lifespan of, of consciousness
00:58:00is dramatically greater than if we are a single planet species. This is not to say that I think
00:58:06that there's, that earth is about to die or anything like that, but there is some risk.
00:58:11You know, if there is, if there is a global thermonuclear war,
00:58:15with some extreme natural events, like a giant, you know, meteor that hits the earth,
00:58:21that causes a mass extinction event. I mean, if we look at the fossil record,
00:58:25there are at least five extreme mass extinction events that would have just basically extinction
00:58:32events that would have destroyed all of humanity completely. There's five of them, at least.
00:58:38And so, so I think if we, we should take this opportunity today, because for the first time
00:58:48in the four and a half billion year history of earth, it is possible to extend life and to extend
00:58:54consciousness beyond earth. And, and that window of opportunity may be open for a short time,
00:58:59or it may be open for a long time, but just, just in case it is open for a short time,
00:59:06we must take advantage of this window and as quickly as possible become a multi-planet species
00:59:12and ensure the long-term survival of civilization.
00:59:16So what is your timeframe for a, for an expedition, like for the first, first human expedition?
00:59:29Well, yeah, so to be clear, what matters is not so much the sort of flags and footprints,
00:59:36but the establishment of a self-sustaining city on Mars, where the critical threshold is where the
00:59:43city can grow independent of earth. Meaning if the resupply shifts from earth and stop coming for any
00:59:50reason, that the, that the, the Mars colony does not die out. That that's, if we are able to reach
00:59:59that point, then we have, we have passed one of the very important and fundamental Fermi great
01:00:07filters. You know, there's, there's this idea of like, well, why don't we see evidence of
01:00:14intelligence life? Well, that, that there's this idea that there are these various great filters
01:00:19that, that these civilizations never pass. And one of those great filters is never, never going
01:00:25beyond your home planet. So if we can pass the Fermi great filter of being a single planet species,
01:00:32and to be clear, if we are a single planet species, it is just a matter of time before we
01:00:38are annihilated. One can argue about how long it will take, but eventually there will be something
01:00:44that happens that annihilates civilization. It might be very far in the future, but we simply
01:00:52know from the fossil record, as I mentioned that there've been at least five mass natural
01:00:56extinction events. And I think there's, there's added risk for humans that we could destroy
01:01:02ourselves because the dinosaurs did not have thermonuclear weapons. So they also didn't have
01:01:09spaceships. So, so we've got, we've got the risk of, of thermonuclear war that could destroy everyone,
01:01:18but we also have spaceships that can make life multi-planetary. And so the,
01:01:25to answer your question more directly, I think we can send uncrewed starships to Mars in
01:01:31approximately two years. So Earth and Mars are, are to be, Earth and Mars align for, for planetary
01:01:38transfer roughly every, every two years, every 26 years. Yes. So the Earth obviously takes a
01:01:49year to go around the sun. Mars takes approximately two years. And obviously one cannot go to Mars
01:01:56when it is on the other side of the sun from Earth. So we have to wait for when Mars is in
01:02:02roughly the same quadrant of the solar system as Earth. And that occurs for about six months every
01:02:11two years. And the optimal transfer window is typically just a few months. So for a few months,
01:02:18every two years, or every 26 months, you can, you can transfer to Mars. So, so there's currently a
01:02:26Mars transfer window, which means that the next one is in two years from now. And then
01:02:32there'll be another one two years after that. So for the one in two years, I think we can send
01:02:37uncrewed starships to land on Mars to, to test that we, the landing systems are working correctly.
01:02:47We want to make sure that we don't, you know, add, add more craters to Mars.
01:02:52Yeah, that would be good.
01:02:58Yeah, the crater count increment must be zero. And so once we prove that it is safe to land, then
01:03:08if all the ships we send in about two years land safely, and we think we understand the issues,
01:03:14then in principle that in about four years, you could send the first people. And then
01:03:21then the number of ships can expand exponentially from the, from that point.
01:03:27I mean, as a rough order of magnitude, my guess is that we need to transport about a million,
01:03:33about a million tons of cargo to Mars to make it self-sustaining. You know, when things are
01:03:40very uncertain, I think if you can even get to within one order of magnitude, you're doing quite
01:03:44well. So I suspect probably a hundred thousand tons is maybe not enough. And hopefully we don't
01:03:49need 10 million tons. So therefore my guess is hopefully a million tons is enough to make Mars
01:03:56self-sustaining. So maybe it's a million tons of cargo to the surface of Mars and about,
01:04:01you know, a million people or more. So that's, that's really what matters. The critical threshold
01:04:08from the standpoint of a fundamental branching of the future of civilization is, is, is that
01:04:16that point of reaching on Mars where Mars can grow by itself, even if resupply ships from Earth
01:04:23stop coming at that point, the future of civilization branches and to a good branch.
01:04:30Wow. And probable lifespan of civilization is dramatically greater.
01:04:35Yes. And my guess is that, that there will be cases where the future Martians actually come
01:04:41and help and rescue us. And, you know, when there is an emergency, you know, just as America has
01:04:47helped to, to rescue the rest of the world in World War I and II and the Cold War. And, you know,
01:04:55where would the world be if not for America helping out in those three circumstances?
01:05:00So, so my, I think that there's a good chance Mars helps save us at some point in the future,
01:05:06maybe many times. And then once we have a civilization on Mars, we can expand to the
01:05:12rest of the solar system to the, you know, the larger asteroids like Ceres, maybe to the moons
01:05:21of Jupiter and Saturn and beyond, at least through the rest of the solar system. And then, you know,
01:05:28then, and then we go from being hopefully a multi-planet civilization to at some point,
01:05:32a multi-stellar civilization, and we're out there among the stars. And, and then we can try to find
01:05:39out what is the nature of the universe. You know, perhaps, perhaps when we go to and visit these
01:05:47faraway star systems, we will discover the remains of long dead alien civilizations. I think that
01:05:54would be incredibly interesting. For sure, it will greatly improve our understanding of the nature
01:05:59of the universe. Absolutely. Dramatically. Yes. So, and, and, and things like the time scales are
01:06:06just remarkable to think about. I mean, physics suggests that the universe is about 13.8 billion
01:06:12years old. And I mean, even the elements in our body that aren't hydrogen, that, that, that, that
01:06:21like any heavier elements had to be formed in, in the center of a star. And so the, you know,
01:06:28a large part of our body was actually formed in this, in the center of a star and that star
01:06:33exploded. And then the elements recondensed ultimately billions of years later to
01:06:40form Earth and humans. So, so when you think about these time scales, they were really
01:06:47remarkable to think about. Yeah. And, but a civilization that lasted a million years,
01:06:53so our civilization, you know, like, so I think a good metric for saying what, when does a
01:06:58civilization start, I think is maybe writing, you know, that's, if you can pick anything,
01:07:03I'd pick that. That's only 5,000 years ago. So, so for civilizations, like I said, last
01:07:11an incremental million years, that's an enormous amount of time as compared to the length of human
01:07:18civilization, but it's very small compared to the age of the universe. You'd have to go three
01:07:24digits past the decimal point of 13.8 million years, just to increment 1 million years.
01:07:30So, so I think we may find when we go out there and explore these star systems that,
01:07:35that there were alien civilizations, maybe they lasted for millions of years,
01:07:39much longer than we've lasted. And, and I think any civilization that can last a million years
01:07:45is going to be in the hall of fame. This is an incredibly long time. So anyway, and I think
01:07:53as a, you know, for humanity, we don't want to be one of those lame one planet civilizations,
01:07:57like, you know, any self-respecting civilization should have at least two planets.
01:08:03So that's, that's what we should aim for. Wow. If you, so, so you just said that
01:08:12the, the human body comprises of elements of an exploded and then re-ordered
01:08:21elements, right? So do you, do you think that this coincidentally happened or do you believe in God?
01:08:31I'm just curious because, because, because many people say, okay, this cannot have been a
01:08:38coincidence that cannot be right. So, so it just could have been God. So do you believe in God?
01:08:50Well, I'm, I'm open to believing in things proportionate to the information that I
01:08:56receive. So, so, I mean, I, I guess I have sort of a physics view of reality which is,
01:09:04you know, you know, I, I guess I'm trying to, I try, I'm trying to understand the universe as
01:09:10much as possible to understand what's going on. I, I'm certainly open to the idea of God.
01:09:15And if you say like, well, where did the universe come from? How was it created?
01:09:23I suppose there would be some entity that,
01:09:25that you could call God. I, I, I don't know. But that's a separate question from say, is,
01:09:33is there some entity that is observing our daily actions and rendering, rendering a moral
01:09:38verdict on what we do from day to day? That doesn't appear to be the case because, you know,
01:09:44at least there's some very evil things that happen in the world. And if, if there's someone observing
01:09:50us on a moral basis continually, then it does seem odd that some very evil things are not to occur.
01:09:59But maybe that is the case. I, I don't know. I, I just, I try to form my opinions based on what I
01:10:04learn. And as I learn more, I aspire to change my views to match what I learn.
01:10:12Yeah, same here. And to be honest, I'm still on a search. I, I, I don't know what to believe.
01:10:23So it's called maybe a agnostic and yeah. But it's very interesting to see how, how the world
01:10:33and also the universe evolved. And yeah, it was, it was incredibly interesting to listen to your
01:10:41visions. And yeah, it's, it's quite a vision for, for, for every one of us.
01:10:49Yeah, I would say that what I have is a philosophy of curiosity. So I'm, I'm curious about the nature
01:10:55of the universe. And I would say I subscribe to the Douglas Adams School of Philosophy that was
01:11:01described in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. You know, and in that book, the earth was sort of
01:11:08a giant computer that was trying to answer the question, what is the meaning of life? And then
01:11:14it comes back with the 40, 42. And what does 42 mean? And it's, well, it's actually, it's a
01:11:21the, the answer is the easy part. And the question is the hard part. So, you know, that was actually
01:11:28quite an illuminating thing for me, because that is sort of an existential crisis when I was 12 or
01:11:3513, about the meaning of life. And, you know, I read, I read many, the religious texts and the
01:11:41books on philosophy. You know, it's like reading Chopin's Ironiesia and whatnot, which is a bit
01:11:48depressing if you're to read as a child. But, you know, ultimately...
01:11:53Why did you pass?
01:11:55They're a bit negative, sort of, at times, you know, it's actually, it makes more sense reading it as an adult. But, but then I read the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which is really a book in philosophy, in the form of humor. And, and I think it kind of
01:12:12really, that I thought was very insightful. That is that we should basically try to understand the nature of the universe, and in fact, understand even what questions to ask about the answer that is the universe. And so that led me to conclude that we should aspire to expand the scope and scale of consciousness so that we're better able to
01:12:39to know what questions to ask about the nature, about the answer that is the universe.
01:12:48So we should just seem to take the set of actions that lead to a greater understanding of the universe.
01:12:57Wonderful. Actually, these are these are perfect last words, to be honest, for a conversation,
01:13:05because, because, because I don't know right now, like, what to what to continue. Because,
01:13:13no, really, because these words are so beautiful. So I would just like, screw it up. And it was
01:13:21wonderful. It was very, it was wonderful talking to you and, and listening to your views of mankind,
01:13:30and also to, to, to have an idea of your vision. It's very visionary. And, yeah, thank you so much.
01:13:38Thank you. Well, it's been a pleasure speaking, and I hope people listen to this conversation
01:13:43and find it helpful. All right. Thanks, everyone.
01:13:54Bye.
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