New year, same snubbing of Tyler Herro? Tyler Herro gets snubbed of an All-Star spot after first rounds of Voting are released. Is Tyler Herro's season being slept on over a popularity contest? Tobin makes the case who he should be in front of and why... what Tyler's chances of making an All-Star team and why he deserves a slot.
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00:00Miami Heat, they're back in action tonight against the Indiana Pacers at 730.
00:05Last night, they beat the Pelicans 119, 108 Tyler Hero, 32 points, apparently not good
00:11enough to even be ahead of Jordan Pool in the all-star voting.
00:15What are we even doing?
00:18That's a disgrace.
00:19Do you know his stats on the year, Jordan Pool?
00:21I am looking at Jordan Pool stats on the year.
00:23He's averaging under 22 points a game and he plays for a six win Wizards team.
00:28Boom.
00:31Six wins that Wizards team has.
00:34And he's ahead of Tyler Hero in the voting.
00:36I just don't understand.
00:37I really just don't understand.
00:40What does it take?
00:42I don't know.
00:43I don't know what it would take.
00:44That is, that is shockingly low.
00:48The fact that LaMelo Ball is number one.
00:51Yeah, that's a weird one.
00:53He doesn't, you know, LaMelo Ball plays a different sport than everybody else.
00:56He plays tremendously fun.
00:59Like he'll like shoot it out of his butt from half court and there's just no repercussions
01:04because it's his franchise.
01:05He plays, you know what he plays and one basketball.
01:08Yeah.
01:09It's just, it's just lunacy what he gets to go play, but there's no like he does everything
01:14but bounce it off somebody's head.
01:16Pretty much.
01:17Yeah.
01:18He's, he's basically, he's basically like a foot away from a globetrotter, you know?
01:21Okay.
01:22You know, I'm looking at the list though.
01:26It's a rough list.
01:27Let's just say it's rough.
01:28In the guards, you get four, right?
01:29Four guards, two starters to back up.
01:32Yeah.
01:33Something like that.
01:34I think it's two runners, two bat, two reserves, and then they'll probably pick wild cards.
01:36So you got to understand LaMelo Ball, even if he wasn't having a great season, he is
01:40the representation of the youth.
01:42The youngins are going to vote for LaMelo Ball.
01:44Just always going to happen.
01:45He's got very popular shoes.
01:46Yeah.
01:47Yes.
01:48Popular shoes, popular play style, streaming online.
01:50He just has a social media presence of some sort that like the young kids resonate with.
01:53But at least with the LaMelo Ball, like, all right, he has, you know, he's averaging
01:57over 30 points.
01:58Like he has, he does put up insane numbers even on his no repercussions, crazy ass team.
02:03Yeah.
02:04Like I'm not that surprised to see LaMelo Ball high for sure.
02:07But to see Tyler Hero behind the likes of like Jordan Poole and Trey Young, see, that's,
02:13that's, I mean, Trey Young, I'm going to say, I'm going to say that Trey Young is another
02:17one.
02:18I don't mind him being behind Trey Young.
02:19And if you look at the list, but it's not even like he's behind him.
02:24He's way behind them.
02:27Now this is the part that's shocking.
02:31Forget the Jordan Poole part of it.
02:34That Derek White's that close.
02:36Right.
02:37That's crazy.
02:38Yeah.
02:39That is crazy.
02:40Right.
02:41Like it's, it's not even the fact that he's behind, like he's way behind.
02:44Like Jimmy's got more votes than him.
02:46Then Tyler?
02:47Look at him.
02:48Like, well, Jimmy's in the front court, but like, look, he's got like twice the votes
02:51that Tyler does.
02:52Right.
02:54And what do you think that is?
02:55Do you think that's the heat fan?
02:56Not showing up?
02:57No.
02:58I think that's every time you turn on TV, they're talking about Jimmy Butler.
03:02Yeah.
03:03And like he said, well, like, I don't care y'all talking about me.
03:08That's fine.
03:09I can deal with that.
03:10Good heat fan.
03:11You got to look at this.
03:12Orlando's got two guys, at least in the top 10 for their guys, Palo Verde, Carol, he played
03:16four games this season.
03:17I know he's fourth in the front court.
03:19It's all good.
03:20Stupid.
03:21He is great.
03:22No, he's a great player.
03:24He hasn't played.
03:25He runs averages 20 plus.
03:27I understand.
03:28But, but Paolo Boncaro hasn't played this season.
03:30He's basically been out since the second week, but he's fourth in front court voting.
03:34Who do you take out from this guards list though?
03:36Like I'm trying to do it now and I'm looking at everyone's numbers.
03:39That's what I'm saying.
03:40That's what it's a loaded guard class, but Lamella ball plays on a seven win team like
03:45Tyler heroes.
03:46At least now we're doing that.
03:47No, but his numbers, but Tyler heroes numbers are efficient and they're great.
03:51And his team is actually good.
03:53Can I just say when fans vote for players, nobody ever says he's efficient.
04:00Like that's a basketball thing.
04:04You just want a Ferris wheeler.
04:05I mean, listen, it is.
04:06I'm just telling you, nobody's saying, Hey, I'll vote for that Tyler hero.
04:10That boy is efficient.
04:11You understand what I'm saying?
04:12Love that man's purr.
04:13Yeah.
04:14Damian Lillard.
04:15Yeah.
04:16You know, I was even considering him like, ah, what has he really done this season?
04:27It was pretty good.
04:30Kate Cunningham.
04:31Obviously I was having a really good year, unfortunately still having a good year.
04:34Jalen Brunson.
04:35Good.
04:36You know, I like Maxie.
04:38I looked at Maxie too.
04:39I was like, Oh, that's another one.
04:40He probably hasn't done anything.
04:41He's actually not.
04:42Yeah.
04:43But Maxie isn't as efficient as Tyler.
04:45He's not as efficient.
04:46He's not, he's not, he's not as good a shooter team with the big tree.
04:50Always out carrying them to what they're on.
04:52They're like five games under 500.
04:54Okay.
04:55So it's about winning it.
04:57You don't think that should play any part of being an all-star.
05:00I mean, like, are we, are we voting on players or teams?
05:05But he's the best player on the team.
05:06You don't think that that should have an impact on what you're doing?
05:08Like, and I would say, and I would say so is Tyrese Maxie.
05:12Okay.
05:13Okay.
05:14Even with Joel and B and B Tyler, Tyler here has had to go a third of the season without
05:18Jimmy Butler.
05:19No, I know.
05:20But I'm just saying like, yeah, I'm not saying Tyler hero shouldn't be there, but what me
05:26and Marcos are saying is if you look at who would you move out?
05:31I would definitely move out Jordan pool.
05:33That's a looter in the right.
05:35Jordan pool for sure.
05:36I think you should be ahead of Maxie.
05:37I think you should be ahead of, uh, of Kate Cunningham, Trey young.
05:40I think the only guys that you could definitely say have had a better seasons than him right
05:44now or are in his class, my standpoint, from my standpoint, he should be in the, he should
05:49be in standpoint.
05:50Yeah.
05:51That's okay.
05:52Okay.
05:53Congratulations.
05:54Uh, Donovan Mitchell, Brunson for sure.
05:57Maybe Lillard.
06:00Not the mellow ball.
06:01Come on, dude.
06:02He's, he's a Ferris wheel on the court again, but you're, you're saying Tyler hero should
06:09be above the guy who's leading the voting.
06:12You think, you think if Tyler here didn't play for the Hornets, he couldn't go out there
06:15and average 32.
06:16Okay.
06:17Yeah.
06:18I'm not saying, no, I can't say that a seven win Hornets team.
06:22I'm saying, I'm saying, I can't say that you're wrong.
06:24No, I'm saying, yeah.
06:26Okay.
06:27But all right.
06:28So in your own list, the guy who's leading the voting Tyler here would be above, uh,
06:36I think he should be above him.
06:37Yeah.
06:39I'm telling you, like the reason that Lamella balls out, but Leroy, a lot of this does have
06:42to do with shoe stuff.
06:43Like a big reason why Lamella ball is that popular.
06:45Like, do you think Lamella ball should be above Jalen Brunson?
06:49No, like that's, that's what we're talking about here.
06:53This guy's got out there, you know, more votes than like Jalen Brown.
06:58I mean, that's it.
06:59This is a crazy, this is a crazy thing that he's, he's up there that high.
07:05I get it.
07:06I just, I just think it's shocking for me.
07:09Not who he is behind.
07:11There's a couple of guys that I would move him ahead of, right?
07:16It's shocking to me that Tyler Hero, a starter who averages what, 20, what does he have?
07:2520?
07:2624.
07:2724.
07:28Is?
07:29Over 24 now.
07:30Only five, only 5,000 ahead of Derek White?
07:35Yeah.
07:37That's the part that, so behind Jordan pulls the worst one, but you can't, you can't say
07:43like that's, that's gotta be like warriors remnants, right?
07:46You can't, you can't say to me, um, but he's efficient in his perk fans don't think like
07:52that, like for us yet.
07:56Is he a better point guard because of that?
07:59Then a lot of the guys on that list.
08:01Yes, absolutely.
08:04But like, yeah, I don't know you.
08:08And according to you, you would, um, take ball Tyler has been one of the best shooters
08:13in the league this year.
08:14Yes.
08:15I'm not.
08:16There's nothing that you're saying that's not true, but you say he should be third.
08:24So my guess is he'll probably be a coach's pick.
08:27Yeah, probably.
08:28I mean, it's not even like, I haven't picked that yet.
08:33That matters too.
08:34That matters too.
08:35It's whoever's a, I mean, whoever's number one, so it'll probably be Missoula, right?
08:39Unless they can't do back-to-backs then I guess it'll be a, Oh no, uh, I was going to
08:44say if it's Missoula, then he's going to pick the damn, uh, he picked Derek white.
08:49I think it's all coaches vote.
08:50I don't think he just gets to pick the coaches.
08:52I don't think he just gets to pick himself.
08:55Okay.
08:58But even this way, like it's not even just fan voting.
09:00I think fan voting now for the starters is like, I think it's 50%.
09:04And then I think it's player.
09:06And then I think it's, uh, and then, and then I think it's coaches and then they pick the
09:09reserve from there.
09:10Okay.
09:11So like, if what you're saying is true, then the powers that be would acknowledge that
09:19and go with that efficiency and that per and all that stuff.
09:23Yeah, that's fine.
09:24I just think his season's being slept on his season's been great, but only, but if he's
09:30still selected as an all-star based on the basketball people, you know, acknowledging
09:39that, who cares?
09:43Who cares if you're efficient and per is not, you know, fan voted.
09:51If the basketball people say he's one of the top for now, my question is even based on
09:58the basketball people, how there's only two or three guys he can move ahead of, right?
10:08So that still makes it, I don't think that's true.
10:10I mean, like if you're just going on like a per a points per game average, like if you're
10:14talking about max, the average is 25 Tyler here, I was just 24 and a half.
10:19Like you're, they're going to have to pick in some way, like how many reps are the six
10:23was going to get for based on their season, based on what Miami's doing.
10:26Right.
10:27You know, I got to, I just like, I think as a basketball person, they look at that team
10:33and go, he never has him beat.
10:36Yeah.
10:37But Tyler heroes got a third of the year without not having him beat is a bigger loss than
10:45heat not having, because the 76 was, it's hard to win without him beat the heat have
10:51won some games without Jimmy Butler.
10:54I guess.
10:55I think that's a quibbling thing though.
10:57He's still there.
10:58Max player.
10:59Like, I mean, I'm not okay, but he's not their highest leading score.
11:04Well, Tyler is right.
11:07So it's like, it's, it's titled leading score.
11:11Cause Jimmy's not there.
11:12I would say, right.
11:14So why are you talking about Jimmy?
11:16Whereas because you're talking, cause your, your argument is, well, there's been no one
11:20bead and I'm saying like, he's gone, he's gone.
11:22He's missed a lot of games already.
11:24Jimmy Butler.
11:27He has no, I know.
11:29I'm basically saying the Philadelphia Sixers without MB are nowhere, but Miami has been
11:41able to keep afloat without Jimmy or 25 minute five point Jimmy.
11:50So like between the games he's missed and those amount of games, how many games has
11:56he really.
11:57Yeah.
11:58No.
11:59Yeah.
12:00But like, you're going to get to a point with the heat, right?
12:01Like let's say the heat stay in this four, five, six, where they're basically at right
12:04now.
12:05Like they're in the same, they're in the same place with Orlando, Milwaukee, Atlanta.
12:12You know, they're all like right there in losses, 15 losses.
12:15They're all the same.
12:16Right.
12:17All those teams are not going to get two all-stars.
12:19So if the Bucs get Yanis Antetokounmpo, do they also get Damian Lillard?
12:24Like, you know, from my standpoint, like, all right, the only teams that deserve you,
12:28you're going to say Dame shouldn't be on the, I'm saying from a standpoint, does that team
12:32deserve two all-stars?
12:33Why?
12:34I mean, I don't know.
12:39You're looking like you, I don't know what the rules are.
12:43So if you have one, usually, usually if a team gets like an East team, usually we'll
12:49get like, if you get two all-stars, damn, your team was awesome.
12:53If you get three all-stars, that's effing crazy.
12:55You know, like you're talking like heat, big three where they have, um, I mean, two guys
13:02are averaging over 25 points, right?
13:03How many is day averaging 25, right?
13:07Two guys averaging 25 on the same team.
13:10And you say they both don't, they shouldn't have two because of the record.
13:16I don't like that.
13:18That's the argument.
13:19I'm not saying you're wrong about any of this.
13:21I'm just really confused that how every single person has a different way to determine who
13:27an all-star is.
13:28And it's all based on my, there's a lot of good guys and I'm trying to figure, you got
13:33to figure out tiebreakers eventually.
13:35Don't you tiebreakers is like, yeah, the numbers or yes, you can go tiebreaker where your team
13:43is.
13:44Yeah.
13:45But like, that's the thing with the numbers is like, okay, you're telling, like you're
13:48telling me Tyler hero or Damian, Damian Lillard, the same thing, like, yeah, he did the Lamello
13:52of averaging like 32 on the terrible blazers team.
13:55You're telling me Tyler hero couldn't do that.
13:57If he was on a team where they were four, four, five, four, five, seven wins an entire
14:03season.
14:04Yes.
14:05But you're averaging 30.
14:06Great.
14:07You're talking about what he could do if he had the same opportunities as these other
14:12guys who were playing on these bad teams.
14:14Okay.
14:15That's not how you select an all-star.
14:18It should be.
14:19Well, you're setting all these different scenarios because it's your guy.
14:24Like all you, all you have right now is the information in front of you.
14:29Not what could be not if he was in that situation.
14:32That's it.
14:33That's all you have to do.
14:34A mellow ball takes 25 shots a game.
14:38Okay.
14:39Okay.
14:40Tyler hero takes under 18.
14:42Right?
14:43No.
14:44That's it.
14:45That's it.
14:46That's it.
14:47Efficiency and all those things.
14:48It's opportunity.
14:49Like he's out there doing whatever he wants to the basketball people that matters.
15:00So Tyler hero, when the coaches and the players vote on it might have a different opinion
15:07than the fans.
15:08That's what I started off saying.
15:11How these fans to grow up, especially the kid, why is every argument based on it's time
15:21to grow up to the shoes, the scoring, right?
15:25All that stuff matters in those, unless you don't sound clear on a dead body, then they're
15:36mine.
15:38Your shoes looks extra deceased today.
15:42Look at this crusty.
15:46I'm not arguing here and here's, let's be clear.
15:51I'm not arguing on whether I think Tyler is an all-star or not.
15:56What we have been arguing is why are those other guys ahead of him?
16:02And I was shocked that Lamella ball was leading the voting.
16:06Okay.
16:07Frog boy broke it down.
16:10So I broke it down and he didn't even bring it down.
16:15I said, is that the shoes?
16:16He goes, yeah, he does have good shoes.
16:18So he like stole my argument.
16:19I broke it down like a girl.
16:21So you know, you, you know why he's number one day, if that's the case, which is why
16:25I told them all to grow up.
16:27The children.
16:28You're a fan.
16:30Grow up, grow up.
16:34You guys are voting for a merry-go-round.
16:38Is there any bigger fan boy than Tobin?
16:45There isn't rubber.
16:46He is a mouth.
16:47I do enjoy watching Lamella ball.
16:50I would never, I would never let that kids are voting for guys who wear the coolest shoes
16:55that he did it while on a unicycle.
17:04This next quarter Lamella ball is going to play the entire quarter blindfolded and the
17:11basketball rims going to be on fire.
17:14Wow.
17:15Literally.
17:16I just, I just don't, I just don't think you are being like, like you automatically.
17:23So you would take three guys out of that list out and move Tyler up.
17:29He's going to cook them, dude.
17:30Um, that's not just, dude, did you just see what we're trying to answer the question?
17:35Why is Tyler ninth?
17:36Did you just see what he did to Houston?
17:38Yes.
17:39Okay.
17:40So I had to throw him to the ground.
17:43Wasn't great for his all-star ability to get thrown on the ground like that.
17:46That would have been, it's probably the most publicity he's gotten all year.
17:48It is when it's like, Oh my God, you see how he got thrown to the ground.
17:52I can't bother him.
17:53He was like jazz from fresh Prince of Bel-Air.
17:56How he got just thrown.