"If it were up to you, you would even beat people," Rauf Klasra respond Fawad Chaudhry
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00:00It was a very painful time.
00:02If I don't get angry, if I don't comment, your bus didn't run. You get people beaten up here.
00:08And if you get another chance, we'll get you beaten up.
00:10Don't say that, you're such a good Democrat.
00:12You weren't either. In your time, you've been with the media the most.
00:14We're not a party to be beaten up.
00:16You've been with the media a lot, sir.
00:18I think that's enough, sir.
00:20No, no, you can sit with me on this.
00:22I think that's enough.
00:24You don't say anything wrong when you talk.
00:26You can run the bus as much as you want.
00:28If you make a package and run it, you don't care.
00:30Whether the bus runs or not, it's your perception.
00:32You sit at home and make it.
00:34I sit at home and make it.
00:36And a lot of people have traveled in your time.
00:38The real money was made by the media in our time.
00:42And for a change.
00:44And you used to say at that time,
00:46Do you remember how to fix this national media?
00:48How to do it?
00:50Do you remember your statements?
00:52I'm still against PR.
00:54I'm still against PR.
00:56Why are you wasting taxpayer money on PR?
00:58I'm still against it.
01:00You had a few more.
01:02General Ghafoor, Imran Khan,
01:04You made a lot of plans for the media.
01:06Take a little responsibility.
01:08You can do your programs with me.
01:10You can make me on your TV.
01:12I'll sit and tell you.
01:14Okay, that's enough.
01:16When Fahad says,
01:18There was a lot of milk and honey flowing here in his time.
01:20The media was very free.
01:22They made it easy.
01:24There was an increase of 37% in your profits.
01:26You started to be the information minister
01:28against the media.
01:30You talk to each other.
01:32This is a topic.
01:34It is not specific.
01:36We are friends.
01:38I'm just saying.
01:40I'm coming to you, Mr. Mirza.
01:42Go ahead.
01:44I'm just saying,
01:46Go ahead.
01:48Our space keeps opening up.
01:50Ever since the hybrid system came,
01:52Space is shrinking.
01:54It's getting less and less.
01:56These pressures.
01:58We can tolerate it.
02:00Sometimes there is someone.
02:02Sometimes there is someone under the hammer.
02:04Who is darling at that time?
02:06Who is the opponent?
02:08Is there a way to stop this?
02:10Look, it's in a trend.
02:12Quickly.
02:14From 2008 to 2013,
02:16At that time, the media had the most space.
02:18From 2013 to 2018,
02:20When PM LN came, it was less.
02:22Because PM LN has a little more.
02:24The tolerance level is low.
02:26But I don't think
02:28We have any problem with politicians.
02:30No, there is.
02:32When you have to run a campaign against Nawaz Sharif,
02:34Then the media gets the stick.
02:36You don't have to go here.
02:38That's the real role.
02:40When you have to run a campaign against Imran,
02:42You don't have to go there.
02:44I agree with you.
02:46Have you ever given any thought to a politician
02:48Calling you and saying, please don't do this?
02:50Yes, many times.
02:52Do you take it seriously?
02:54It depends on the relationship.
02:56Not on threats.
02:58One is the intent.
03:00The other is the capability.
03:02Everyone has an intent.
03:04But those who have more capability,
03:06They become more effective.
03:08So I mean to say,
03:10From 2018 to 2018,
03:12It's getting less and less.
03:14It's getting less and less.
03:16It's getting less and less.
03:18And I don't see an increase in 2025.
03:20Look, there are two or three issues.
03:22One is what we criticize on social media.
03:24Social media is basically
03:26What we went back eight or ten years ago.
03:28These are the seeds that we sowed on the mainstream media.
03:30We used to see that people
03:32Four or five hundred people used to die and get up.
03:34There was going to be a murder.
03:36So many billions of dollars were going to come.
03:38This is all.
03:40The captain's thunder.
03:42The captain's thunder.
03:44It's not been sold for the past six years.
03:46In 2013, you go to the mainstream media.
03:48The kind of accusations.
03:50Let me spin this question.
03:52Squeezing the mainstream media,
03:54Hasn't the space of social media opened up much?
03:56Absolutely.
03:58Because you don't let the TV speak.
04:00You don't let the newspaper publish.
04:02But you can't stop there.
04:04Has the space opened up?
04:06This is a very important point.
04:08There is one thing in this.
04:10Unfortunately, the media can't tolerate criticism.
04:12Dhanushwar can't tolerate criticism.
04:14We say a lot of things.
04:16You don't like it.
04:18No one else will like it.
04:20But you can say it in a way.
04:22I'm sitting here and telling you.
04:24I'll do this.
04:26This is not our job.
04:28Our job is to do something better.
04:30But there are some things.
04:32You can't do it.
04:34But those things are also written in your eyes.
04:36You can't go to this level.
04:38This is fine.
04:40But we work in the space we have.
04:42The stick that has been used
04:44for a long time
04:46on the mainstream media.
04:48The stick can be used on us
04:50because 2,000 people
04:52work for you.
04:54People have decided.
04:56People should know.
04:58Channels have said that if we shut down,
05:00it would be very difficult to stand there.
05:02That's why we have to beg.
05:04And then we have to follow a lot of directions.
05:06Things are increasing.
05:08Your conditions are getting worse.
05:10So don't shut down the channel.
05:12Let's work in this space.
05:14But because of that,
05:16on November 26 or 24,
05:18everybody was saying
05:20that we are watching social media
05:22because information is on social media.
05:24The mainstream media is not allowed to do anything.
05:26One thing that was unprecedented
05:28was the kind of actions
05:30that were taken against journalists.
05:32Even after November 26,
05:34people were arrested.
05:36We saw this separately.
05:38In this,
05:40if you look at the foundation
05:42of social media,
05:44when our
05:46Mukta Dara
05:48or the establishment
05:50established the Keyboard Warrior
05:52a few years ago,
05:54the fifth generation war,
05:56thousands of people were
05:58recruited there.
06:00Fawad made it an economy.
06:02People will get money
06:04from those who
06:06make vlogs.
06:08When dollarization happened
06:10and a popular narrative was made,
06:12some people from the old establishment
06:14sat down and said
06:16that whoever comes now
06:18and talks to the establishment's
06:20favorite politician,
06:22they will be harassed.
06:24This hybrid system
06:26started in 2018,
06:28which you and I are complaining about.
06:30When Mr. Khan became Prime Minister,
06:32the ISI used to be used,
06:34the colonels used to be used,
06:36the ISPR used to call the journalists
06:38and ask them to delete
06:40certain tweets.
06:42They used to send screenshots
06:44that you can't do such things on Twitter.
06:46The owners used to get calls
06:48that your reporter
06:50didn't like the tweets
06:52of Mr. Khan's government.
06:54So the hybrid system
06:56that you have given
06:58started in 2018.
07:02Mr. Ikhlasra
07:04has said exactly
07:06what all these people
07:08believe
07:10that it can be
07:12generated on its own.
07:14Just now Atar said
07:16in detail that no one
07:18has such control
07:20over social media.
07:22They say that it was done in 2018
07:24and now it is more than a crore.
07:26They are saying
07:28that if there is
07:30enough money
07:32to sell goods,
07:34then social media
07:36will be able to sell it.
07:38If there is not enough
07:40money to sell goods,
07:42then it will not be able to be sold.
07:44I have a little time left.
07:46Now you all know
07:48that Imran Khan
07:50is a person
07:52who makes a lot of
07:54calls.
07:56There is no doubt
07:58that his ability
08:00to make a narrative
08:02will take you back to the party.
08:04But this does not mean
08:06that what Mr. Ikhlasra
08:08is saying that a few
08:10calls will be made
08:12and then the narrative
08:14will be made.
08:16Mr. Wifta is saying
08:18that stop it,
08:20otherwise Fawad will
08:22call you again.