En medio de una polémica orden judicial, los abuelos paternos de una niña, a quien se llama "Niña Cielo" para proteger su identidad, la retiraron forzosamente del hogar materno. El padre de la menor está acusado por abuso de la misma. Diego Sassari, vocero de la familia y miembro de la Fundación Vínculos Sanos, denuncia irregularidades en el caso y espera una resolución efectiva para que "Cielo" regrese con su madre hoy mismo.
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00:00Yesterday, as you saw, on Avenida Italia,
00:03by a judicial order,
00:05the paternal grandparents of the girl Cielo entered,
00:09that's how she's called, to preserve her identity.
00:11They entered the mother's house and took the girl by force.
00:16We are at the moment in Casa de Gobierno
00:19because there is a great call from the residents of Resistencia
00:23who are present to ask that the girl return with her mother.
00:27In this case, we are with Diego Sassari,
00:30who is a spokesman for the family and belongs to the Fundación Vínculos Sanos.
00:34Currently, he can speak because the maternal family has a legal spokesman.
00:40Now, the girl's mother is in Casa de Gobierno
00:44talking to some authorities
00:46and it is expected that there will be an effective resolution
00:49so that the girl can return with her mother today.
00:52Diego is already listening.
00:54Diego, thank you for attending.
00:56The greatest good is to protect the girl Cielo
01:00and this, obviously, is not happening.
01:02Where is she now? What is known about this little girl?
01:06In the house of the grandparents.
01:08In the house of the paternal grandparents,
01:11I'll tell you something.
01:14It is to send to take care of the chicken to the fox,
01:18the henhouse to the fox.
01:20The parents were denounced at the time,
01:25the justice dismissed the complaint, obviously,
01:28for having been accomplices of the rape,
01:30of the alleged rape, let's agree, right?
01:33Because the justice is still in the process of proving this.
01:37The truth is that yesterday a totally out of place procedure was experienced.
01:44The girl Cielo was raped again after three years
01:48because the justice raped her yesterday,
01:51raped all the rights of the child.
01:54Who is now protecting her psyche?
01:58The paternal grandparents.
02:00You, as a foundation, have the possibility
02:03to have a dialogue with these paternal grandparents
02:06who are syndicated in the worst way,
02:08to cover up their own son of rape.
02:10The justice does not let us do anything.
02:12The judicial corporation here in El Chaco,
02:14unfortunately, the judicial corporation does not allow you.
02:18We don't have money.
02:20We are not powerful people with money,
02:23with political power.
02:25We are not.
02:26We have the strength of the people who are here today
02:29and who are also suffering the clashes of justice.
02:33Now, Diego, what is the power that this family has
02:39to carry out the judicial power to cover up the rape?
02:43They are businessmen.
02:45They are businessmen.
02:46Notice that this has been going on for three years
02:49and today you just found out.
02:51Because this is an outrageous fact,
02:53like the Cecilia case.
02:55The only thing is that the girl is not dead yet.
02:57They are killing her little by little.
02:59What they did yesterday was to kill part of her childhood.
03:03Now I ask you a question.
03:05This is another Cecilia case.
03:07Can I, Guillermo, ask a question?
03:09Diego, Deborah Ambo speaks to you.
03:11Nice to meet you. Good morning.
03:12Yes, Deborah.
03:13There is a national law that allows children
03:16to be represented by lawyers who are specialized
03:20and trained and that the school of lawyers of resistance
03:23must have in its payroll.
03:26I'll tell you something, Deborah.
03:27Excuse me for interrupting you.
03:29No, thank you.
03:30Yesterday there was a team, a disciplinary team,
03:33a psychological team, a specialized team on the subject
03:39that Dr. Feldman was told,
03:41this procedure cannot be carried out,
03:44the girl does not want to leave here.
03:46And Dr. Feldman had the girl Cielo raped again
03:51because they violated the rights of the girl.
03:53The specialists, the psychologists,
03:56child psychologists, everyone,
03:58because this procedure was carried out well
04:01until the girl was torn apart.
04:03It's terrifying, but I'll ask you a question.
04:06There is no one, no lawyer,
04:08who has presented himself as Cielo's lawyer,
04:11because Cielo has the right to written assistance,
04:15there is a law, there is the Lucio law,
04:18which is also in operation,
04:20and there is also an international treaty
04:22on the rights of the child.
04:23There is no lawyer who has presented himself to defend it?
04:26Yes, there is, there is, there is.
04:27The Hessel Chamber was made,
04:28there were representatives on the part of the minor,
04:31there were representatives on the part of the family,
04:3425 people participated in the Hessel Chamber,
04:36there they were giving me some details
04:38with conclusive results that will serve for the trial,
04:41but what is being done now,
04:42and they say it is an illegal appropriation,
04:44what was done,
04:45that is what is understood,
04:47and it is going to advance in that direction,
04:48is that the woman was psychologically amnesiated
04:51during all this time,
04:52to later take away the custody of the girl,
04:54inducing psychological and emotional instability.
04:58That is the cause.
04:59Neither more nor less, look.
05:01The girl, until yesterday,
05:03went to swimming, to painting, to school.
05:08Here I have a report from the school of De Nada,
05:11a report from the school of Cayetana,
05:14of 87 days, 82 attended.
05:20This, this, this is from the school,
05:23this is a report from the school.
05:25Yes, yes, yes.
05:26They said, they said, on the part of the justice,
05:29they said that the girl was in custody,
05:33that the mother did not take her to school,
05:35that she did not have a social life.
05:37The girl, until yesterday, had an active social life.
05:40What's more, when the procedure,
05:42at two in the afternoon,
05:43which started there in the house,
05:45the girl was drawing, painting,
05:47playing with her little sister.
05:49The little sister also lived all this.
05:51No, terrible.
05:52Not only the rights of a girl were violated,
05:55but of two.
05:57Imagine the psychological damage of this girl.
05:59Who repaired it?
06:00Diego.
06:01The justice.
06:02It gives the feeling.
06:03This Dr. Feldman.
06:04Yes, it gives the feeling that, well.
06:05Nobody, there is no repair here.
06:07No.
06:08Guillermo, when you started the note,
06:11you described what is happening here in El Chaco,
06:14you described what the girl Cielo lived.
06:16This is a total disinterest.
06:19Do you know what is the saddest and the ugliest, Guillermo?
06:22That it is not the only case.
06:24There are many similar cases.
06:26This is the sample of a button.
06:28Nothing else.
06:29Of course, but it gives the feeling, Diego,
06:31that here this family, these grandparents,
06:34take their granddaughter.
06:37It would be giving that feeling,
06:39as a trophy to show that they have the power.
06:42But if the neighbors are saying
06:44that they hear the girl screaming that she wants to go back to her mom,
06:47and that in Gessel's room,
06:48when the girl was spoken to by her grandparents,
06:51the girl began to cry,
06:52evidently, this link,
06:55little or nothing critical by this judge,
06:59will lead the girl to continue suffering much more.
07:04And to psychiatric treatment for life.
07:06No, but of course.
07:07It is torture.
07:09We are talking about torture.
07:10They are torturing her.
07:11A six-year-old girl,
07:13three years ago this torture began
07:15with the whole family,
07:16with the mother,
07:18with a whole family,
07:19with people who support her.
07:21Today, this is a demonstration of a people
07:24who are tired of this torture
07:26on behalf of justice,
07:27of the judicial operation.
07:29Here is winning a battle,
07:30here is winning a battle
07:31to the mother who at the time
07:32denounced her ex-partner
07:33for having abused the girl?
07:36Is this so?
07:37Or for having hit her?
07:39Or coerce the mother
07:40to remove the complaint.
07:42Guillermo, justice
07:45is taking the case,
07:47is taking the case to trial next year.
07:49Here it is not for a complaint,
07:51it is a whole process that has already happened.
07:53And the only thing that is missing
07:55is that justice
07:56say guilty or innocent.
07:58But the evidence is given,
08:00because if not,
08:01justice does not raise the case to trial.
08:03Here there is no doubt for a prosecutor.
08:06There is no intention of beating
08:08or driving the mother of the girl crazy
08:10that they impose the payment of the costs
08:12of all the lawyers
08:13that reach almost a million pesos.
08:15So in this situation,
08:17first she would have been hit by the ex-partner,
08:20then the daughter,
08:21allegedly abused by the father himself,
08:23then all this process of madness,
08:26camaraderie and all that,
08:27and then they impose this restriction
08:29of seeing the daughter
08:30with the imposition of the payment
08:32of the costs of all the lawyers.
08:34They fine her.
08:35It's like they fined her.
08:37The mother does not know where the girl is
08:38or how she has been since yesterday.
08:40Imagine how that mother is.
08:42After seeing her,
08:43how they hit her
08:44and tore her apart.
08:46And she ends up hospitalized.
08:48Of course.
08:49And also prevented, I understand.
08:51No, the mother is here.
08:52The mother is here with us.
08:54Is she there now?
08:55She is fighting for this.
08:57She is fighting.
08:58The mother cannot speak.
09:00This is like the activists
09:02who defend the trees.
09:04It's crazy.
09:05Because on top of that, there is silence.
09:07We have to talk to others.
09:08And they give her a legal beating.
09:10This has traces of dictatorship.
09:12No, of dominance.
09:13Actually, of machismo and dominance.
09:16Machismo.
09:17Machismo and dominance.
09:18Because this is...
09:19Let's not talk about machismo, please.
09:21Because I am a man and I am here.
09:23No, but I mean another type of machismo.
09:25There are many people, men.
09:27Here we are talking about machismo.
09:29Here we are talking about people...
09:31Of power.
09:32Of power.
09:33Yes, of course.
09:34Who run a judicial system
09:35that only punishes and re-victimizes
09:38the victims all the time.
09:40We live with the Cecilia case,
09:42with the Dupuy case,
09:44and now we are living it with the Cielo girl.
09:47This is a system that is
09:49diagrammed and made
09:51to question the victims all the time.
09:55To re-victimize them, to wear them out
09:57until they try or commit suicide
10:00or abandon the cases and so on.
10:02Now, has someone from the government expressed themselves, Diego?
10:04This is very sad what is happening.
10:06Has someone from the executive expressed themselves?
10:07Look, today, now,
10:08now we were meeting
10:10with the minister's sub-secretary.
10:13Because the minister,
10:14the truth is that he is a minister
10:16who has a career here.
10:18Mr. Gómez, Pato Gómez,
10:20who was one of the prosecutors
10:22who was leading the Cecilia case,
10:24and who led many cases of rapes
10:27that were and ended with
10:30conviction to the rapists.
10:32I can't talk today about this minister.
10:36Why didn't he attend us today?
10:38Why did he send us to talk
10:40to a sub-secretary?
10:42What is important to the sub-secretary?
10:44What is important?
10:45All the tools and all the accompaniment
10:47that we can have in this case.
10:51But the issue is that today
10:52the minister should have been here.
10:54Could it be that now that the case is nationalized,
10:56as unfortunately,
10:57or sometimes...
10:58Like what happened with Cecilia.
10:59Sure, or Cecilia, Lohan...
11:00Lohan.
11:01Can you start to have a more open door?
11:03Because we don't understand how...
11:05We already started, Guillermo,
11:07we already started to have answers.
11:09The Law School issued a statement
11:12and others who are in disagreement
11:14and totally against the procedure
11:17and others, and so on.
11:18I hope everything becomes an echo, right?
11:20Of this.
11:21Because on top of that,
11:23and I repeat it again,
11:24it is not the only case.
11:26Here we are not talking
11:28only about the girl Cielo.
11:30Today, the girl Cielo is shown on time,
11:32but this Dr. Feldman
11:34comes with several cases.
11:37This is a typical case
11:38of abuse of judicial power.
11:40This is a typical case
11:41of abuse of judicial power.
11:43Of the judicial corporation.
11:44Exactly.
11:45Of the judicial corporation.
11:46But also...
11:47This is a corporation, unfortunately,
11:49because this judge
11:52would have to have a jury
11:53a long time ago,
11:55and yet,
11:56among them they cover up,
11:58like a story.
11:59Here there are stories
12:00that can be told
12:02of judges who have to be denounced
12:05and prosecutors too,
12:06who do their job very badly
12:08and who are never
12:10rejected or accused
12:12because the same judicial corporation
12:15protects them.
12:16Diego, do you think
12:17they can take the girl
12:18out of the country
12:19and they can disappear?
12:20No.
12:22I don't think so,
12:23but it would be a total mess,
12:26wouldn't it?
12:27First of all,
12:28sorry,
12:29first of all,
12:30what you are describing
12:31is a total mess,
12:32where they take judicial power
12:33and they don't care about anything.
12:35I ask you because I see
12:36that there may be a possibility
12:38to take the girl
12:39and continue to ruin her
12:41psychologically.
12:42I think she has so much power,
12:43Guillermo,
12:44that they don't even think
12:45it's necessary.
12:46No, they don't need it
12:47because the power they have
12:49is so abstract
12:50and so territorial
12:51that they actually reach,
12:53it's like an octopus
12:54that reaches everywhere.
12:56Now I would like to see...
12:57Guillermo, it's already a mess.
13:00When the justice decides
13:01to give custody
13:02to the paternal grandparents
13:03and to take the girl
13:04to the house
13:05where she was raped.
13:06Exactly.
13:07This is already
13:08under process.
13:09They are already testing
13:10the neighbor's son.
13:11You can't believe it.
13:12Guille, Diego,
13:13what I was going to ask you
13:14was that, let's say.
13:15The danger is not
13:16that they take her out of the country,
13:17but that they re-link her
13:18with the father,
13:19that they re-link her
13:20with the father
13:21and that they take her
13:22out of the country
13:23and that they take her
13:24out of the country
13:25and that they take her
13:26out of the country
13:27and that they take her
13:28out of the country
13:29and that they take her
13:30out of the country
13:31and that they take
13:32her out of the country
13:33after being raped.
13:34He is eating
13:36for 10 years,
13:37this is the amount
13:38of drug he uses
13:39every day,
13:40the amount
13:41of time of day
13:42he uses
13:43to get the drugs
13:44out there
13:45if he creates
13:46domination
13:47in other circles,
13:48when they have
13:49iron for sale
13:50in the neighbors
13:51because there is
13:52too much
13:53freedom
13:54for them
13:55to continue
13:56or that the vallahi
13:57apology
13:58There should be a restraining order.
14:02What?
14:03First of all, we have to protect the girl.
14:09Innocence.
14:11Her, above all.
14:13Justice has to focus on protecting the girl.
14:18The mother is there, right?
14:20The mother is there.
14:21The mother is there.
14:22The mother is there.
14:23The couple, the mother's husband is here.
14:25We can't talk.
14:27The father and the mother, too.
14:28It's paradoxical.
14:30They can't talk.
14:31Diego, tell me something.
14:32The mother can't talk.
14:34She can't knock on her ex-in-laws' door to see how her daughter is doing.
14:38However, the father, who is accused of raping her, can enter her parents' home.
14:46He should.
14:47In theory, he shouldn't because he has a restraining order.
14:52But with everything you are describing, he doesn't even enter through the back door.
14:56Through the front door.
14:57Of course.
14:58This is a free way to commit more crimes.
15:01What did you say?
15:02There is no security here.
15:04There is no security here, unfortunately.
15:06We are open to anything.
15:08With what justice did yesterday in this proceeding, we are open to anything.
15:13Aha.
15:14They don't care about anything.
15:15And with the grandmother, could they talk?
15:16They don't care about anything.
15:17Not from now on.
15:18With the grandmother who took her.
15:19With the maternal grandmother.
15:20Is the maternal grandmother there?
15:22With the maternal grandmother, too.
15:23She can't talk.
15:24She can't talk.
15:25She has a legal voucher.
15:26No one.
15:27The whole family has a legal voucher.
15:28They gave everyone a legal voucher out of doubt.
15:29They talk and it's $70,000 in fines.
15:30They talk and it's $70,000 in fines.
15:31Of course.
15:32Luckily, you are here, Diego.
15:33You are the spokesman for this foundation, Vínculos Sanos.
15:34All I needed was a legal voucher for all those who dared to speak ill of this person,
15:35who is very powerful.
15:36And of the judge.
15:37Because in reality, she is directly responsible for the arrest.
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