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00:00Welcome to a new episode of Minn.
00:12Washington.
00:13It's with great respect.
00:14On behalf of myself, the show's producer, and all of the production team, I extend a
00:27warm welcome to His Majesty the King Mohammed VI, who suffered a broken left shoulder last
00:38Sunday.
00:39His Majesty's prayers for his recovery.
00:46In this week's episode, the use of soft power diplomacy, like art, sports, and culture,
00:52to strengthen better relations between countries, societies, and peoples.
00:56With art, sports, music, and all forms of soft power, Morocco builds a strong image around
01:03the world.
01:04Sam Batten, and his book, Dangerous Company, is a great example of an American who lived
01:11abroad for a quarter of a century.
01:14Soft power has become a major factor in building bridges between nations, using art, sports,
01:22food, music, and all forms of culture, to strengthen understanding in the areas where
01:30politics plays a smaller role.
01:33This parallel diplomacy, led by artists, sportsmen, and cultural ambassadors, works to strengthen
01:40ties by crossing political boundaries.
01:43For example, Hollywood is a global concept of American culture through films that affect
01:51hearts and minds around the world.
01:54As well as cultural festivals, international sports, and artistic cooperation, all of these
02:00exhibit shared heritage and human experiences.
02:04Likewise, soft power, through mutual respect and understanding, strengthens ties around
02:11the world, and proves that creativity and culture are global tools for diplomacy.
02:18Morocco is a strong example of using soft power, such as sports, art, and culture, to
02:25strengthen its image around the world.
02:28By hosting major international sports events, and promoting its rich artistic and cultural
02:35heritage, Morocco is a bridge between civilizations.
02:39The success of football in the country, and the achievements achieved by Morocco in the
02:45past, united football fans around the world around the Moroccan team.
02:51Artistic festivals, such as the Gnawa music festival and the Mawazin festival, show the
02:58cultural diversity in Morocco.
03:01By adopting soft power, Morocco strengthens its image and ties with other countries.
03:07This is an embodiment of diplomacy through creativity and cultural exchange.
03:14The book Dangerous Company, written by Sam Patton, is a convincing and vivid description
03:20of the life that he spent in the transition between the diplomacy of soft power, politics,
03:27and military power, whether inside or outside.
03:31And through his sharp observations and clear contemplations, Patton reveals the challenges
03:38that face change in other countries in their struggle with the evolving fabric of American
03:43society.
03:44This book is not just a reminder, but it is an exciting discovery to think about what
03:50it means to work on the intersection of cultural and political paths in the era of constant
03:56change.
03:57To discuss these topics, we have two distinguished guests with us.
04:02Bonnie Glick, a diplomat and American businesswoman, who worked for 12 years in the Foreign
04:11Ministry and as an international executive director at IBM.
04:17She also served as deputy director of the American Institute for International Development
04:25from 2019 to 2020.
04:27President Donald Trump nominated her for the post and the Senate unanimously approved
04:34her in January 2019.
04:36It is rare for Congress to unanimously approve a candidate for office.
04:41We also have Sam Patton, whose career includes working with Paul Manafort in Ukraine and
04:49Cambridge Analytica in 2016.
04:52He worked at the International Institute for the Republican Party and established international
04:59political consultancy institutions in Iraq, Georgia, Ukraine, and Africa.
05:04He is Salil John Jay, the author of the Federalist Papers and the former Foreign Minister.
05:11So, the idea of soft power is part of his formation.
05:17He also escaped two violent attacks in the capital, Washington.
05:23And as usual, we have George Landreth, the special commentator for the program, and the
05:29president of the Frontiers of Freedom Institute, which he has held since 1998.
05:42This institute is a conservative research institute founded by the retired Senator Malcolm Wallop.
05:49And before we start the discussion, let's turn to the host of the program, Jehan Mansour,
05:55and this report.
05:57Welcome, Jehan.
06:06Thank you, Mark.
06:08The story began in Mexico in 1970.
06:13Then the Moroccan football returned to the World Cup in Mexico in 1986 with a historic
06:23achievement, as the Moroccan team was the first Arab and African team to qualify for the
06:3316th round.
06:35Thus, the world raised the Moroccan flag as a greeting to the team, which is the elite
06:43of the elite of ambassadors.
06:45Ambassadors of sport, love, and peace.
06:48And because the journey did not stop, the world was on a date with a rare Moroccan
06:56athlete, with the arrival of the Moroccan national team to the semifinals of the Qatar World Cup
07:04in 2022.
07:06An achievement that moved the emotions of the world and won the hearts of millions to
07:13repeat the name of Morocco on the tongue of football fans and others.
07:21They went out to greet this beautiful country, and I was among them, encouraging the team
07:27of the beloved Morocco and the brotherly country.
07:30He is therefore a side of the soft power of Morocco, Moroccan sport, which was born in
07:37the past, Saeed Ouita, Nawal Al-Mutawakkil, Khaled Al-Sikah, and others, whose influence
07:46was in the brilliance of the name of Morocco, the safe and beloved country of peace.
07:52And because planning and vision is the origin of success, the policy of His Majesty the
07:58King Mohammed VI and his wise guidelines in the field of sports came to be praised for
08:04the victory of Morocco in honor of organizing the World Cup 2030 in conjunction with Spain
08:12and Portugal.
08:16He says, yes, the story began in Mexico, but its most exciting seasons are not over yet.
08:27Thank you, Jihan.
08:33You know, with headlines that are often filled with wars from...
09:27I turn to you at the beginning, George.
09:30Tell us about the role of soft power through cultural and artistic initiatives to complete
09:38the traditional diplomatic role, which strengthens our international relationship.
09:46Well, I think soft power is...
09:49Sometimes the phrase might be...
10:16It's an example of Morocco.
10:19Morocco, which was and still is a wisdom in leadership, and the world knows that.
10:28And it is what explains the support of the world today for the solution that Morocco
10:35proposes to the problem of the Sahara.
10:39There are many countries around the world that support him because of his soft power,
10:45some of which are culture and sport, and the most important of which is his leadership,
10:52the vision that has proven to the world its support for security and prosperity.
10:58These are things that bring support to the world.
11:02And the beauty of this is that soft power is often convincing.
11:11And it's easy to maintain its effectiveness.
11:16Take, for example, Nazi Germany, when it was fighting the world, it relied only on
11:23military power, which is all it had.
11:27And as a result, it faced tremendous obstacles.
11:30And they were facing the resilience of all the countries that colonized it.
11:34And the world united against them and lost.
11:37But when you have the soft power, you are working to convince the world and
11:42your support for complete freedom and your support.
11:46And as a result, the costs are less.
11:52And if you look at how Morocco is coping with the conflicts of the world and its problems,
11:58we see that it is always balanced between the positions of all parties,
12:03and it proposes successful and permanent solutions.
12:06And this, for me, is an example of soft power.
12:10And with all certainty, it is supported by sport and other means.
12:14And if its most important aspect is the wise leadership,
12:19it is not just a team of good footballers, but a great leader.
12:28Sport is very important.
12:29Bonnie Glick, you have worked for years as a foreign affairs official in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
12:34And I had books all over the world that took me to Singapore, Tokyo, Bishkek and Kiev.
12:42You were responsible for the soft American power through your position in the US Department of International Development.
12:50Tell us about the importance of this to the societies that we have cultural exchange with.
12:59Mark, this is a good question.
13:01Cultural diplomacy is one of the elements of soft power,
13:07which we feel in the exchange of studies and the arrival of students to America from all over the world to study in our schools and universities.
13:16And the most important thing is what George talked about,
13:21and I mean art and Hollywood, which have always played a role in soft diplomacy.
13:29Let's take the film Casablanca and other films.
13:35And these are the impressions that people keep from America and Morocco.
13:43For example, sports from Morocco through the Olympics and the World Cup,
13:48are all tools that allow countries to present their image around the world.
13:54So, soft diplomacy does not mean weak diplomacy.
13:59As George Bell pointed out, it is the main component of the image of countries around the world.
14:05Sam Patton, talk to us about your experience working.
14:20Well, as George said, hard power can sometimes be a little bit too much for people,
14:25just like politics can be a little bit too much.
14:28People get tired of politics, they get tired of their own.
14:34The military system is like politics.
14:37It can be hard to be welcomed by the world, just like politics.
14:42People may even get tired of the policies of their countries and even their own systems.
14:48And the same goes for other countries.
14:51While soft power gives you a means to overcome these difficulties.
14:57For example, I saw in Moscow how the US ambassador was inviting Russians from all sides
15:03and political orientations to listen to jazz music in his house in the heart of the capital, Moscow.
15:10It is a balanced equation of results,
15:13starting with respecting the culture of others, their arts and traditions.
15:17And there are aspects that Americans do not understand about the impact of the world on our culture.
15:23For example, during the holidays, we repeat a song,
15:27which is originally Ukrainian, from a country that is currently at war and is waiting for support.
15:33So, small connections in this regard can be effective.
15:38And it is important to overcome the tools of military power,
15:43from tanks and financial penalties,
15:46and to look at the people and their shared values and experiences.
15:51Likewise, this may be through American films or films from other countries,
15:57such as the film Casablanca, or films that touch the rest of the world,
16:03such as the work of the Iraqi artist Khalil Rifa'i,
16:07whom I worked with in the first Iraqi elections.
16:15Yes, very true.
16:16And Bonny Glick, technology plays a big part in this.
16:20That's right.
16:21Bonny Glick.
16:22Technology plays an important role in this,
16:26such as internet movies.
16:28These movies facilitate the transition of American culture to the people
16:33without their need to visit America,
16:36but through watching these examples of soft diplomacy.
16:43Tell us about your international experience in this field
16:47and its impact on diplomatic efforts.
16:51Sure, of course.
16:52The ability for anyone, anywhere, to live stream.
16:57Of course.
16:58The ability of any person today to live stream and watch YouTube
17:03is a vital role for the American cultural index around the world.
17:09So when I was in the American Agency for International Assistance,
17:13we noticed that Facebook was the most important way to read information
17:19and news from people around the world.
17:23And this is an important fact about the value of American cultural influence.
17:28And this was six years ago,
17:33but now the effect of technology, such as the X app or Twitter,
17:38is more widespread.
17:40Of course, there can be a downside to technology,
17:45and we see that through the excessive use of TikTok.
17:49And we have reached here in America,
17:52that it is used by the Chinese Communist Party
17:56to collect information about users,
18:01particularly about users, particularly around the world.
18:09And the use of this database
18:14to collect information
18:17could be a threat to the security of the United States
18:21in a way that we have never done before.
18:24So while technology is a good thing,
18:29it is also good for publishing our messages
18:33and also for cultural diplomacy.
18:36It is also something that we should deal with with caution,
18:42especially when we do not accept
18:46new technology from unfriendly countries.
18:49Sam Patton, your book, Dangerous Company, is moving.
18:53Sam, your book, Dangerous Company, is also spread over the Internet.
18:57Tell us about your career path
18:59and the places where soft diplomacy played a role.
19:03You mentioned Iraq, for example,
19:05but you worked in places like Congo and Moscow.
19:08How did soft diplomacy play different roles
19:11in the different places you affected?
19:14Well, Mark, I think people-to-people exchanges are very important
19:18and bringing people together from other countries, bringing...
19:23Mark, I think people-to-people exchanges are very important
19:27and bringing people together from other countries,
19:30bringing legislators and members of the civil society
19:33and inviting them to America
19:35to see how we exercise our civil powers
19:39not only at the federal level,
19:41but also at the local level,
19:44through popular gatherings.
19:46And how our elected educational institutions work
19:49could have a great impact
19:51and we have to be careful as Americans
19:54when we think we are the best example.
19:57There are other examples.
19:59For example, during the first Iraqi elections in 2004,
20:04we organized a trip for several Iraqi politicians to Lithuania
20:10to benefit from their party experience,
20:13which means crossing the border,
20:17and I saw firsthand right before this election
20:20and I went to Slovakia with a delegation
20:23from the Foreign Ministry.
20:25I saw firsthand the impact of soft power
20:28that plays an important role in communicating
20:31through cultures.
20:33This event is the result of direct experience
20:36from the people of Slovakia
20:38and the people of the United States.
20:41And I saw firsthand
20:43the impact of soft power
20:45that plays an important role in communicating
20:48through cultures.
20:50This event is the result of direct experience
20:54from the people of Slovakia
20:56and the people of the United States.
20:59The effects of war in the Middle East
21:02and the violence and the language of bullets
21:06were also evident through the international film festival
21:11in a big party full of emotions and politics.
21:16This cultural event summarizes the magical effect of art as a soft power.
21:22Let's watch this report from an article published by Variety magazine, written by Ben Kroll.
21:29The Palestinian family is very interested in Morocco in a big party full of emotions and politics.
21:47Ben Kroll wrote the film Happy Holiday, directed by Iskander Qibti,
21:52which won the top prize at the Moroccan Film Festival.
21:56The film also won the Golden Raccoon Award for Best Scenario at the Orizonte Film Festival
22:14and Best Performance at the Thessaloniki Film Festival.
22:18Mr. Salah Kroll said,
22:22In fact, all the words carried a political charge that night.
22:28When the director, Selvina Shensher, received the award from the Court of Arbitration for her film,
22:34which is an honor shared by the film with the film Moharawi, the neighboring village of Jannah,
22:41the Argentinean director threatened the government of Javier Mili in her country,
22:47especially when it comes to lowering the budget for the cinema.
22:52The Polish drama film Under the Volcano also won the Damian Kokor Award
22:58and the Best Actor Award for the star Roman Lodzki.
23:03In another interesting speech, this time through video,
23:07the actor gave his award to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
23:12About the value and excellence of organizing the Moroccan Film Festival,
23:16the writer said,
23:18In its 21st edition, the number of people attending the Moroccan Film Festival exceeded 40,000,
23:25where this increase is due to the presence of young people and students from Moroccan cinemas.
23:31In addition to its wide-ranging visual programs,
23:35Morocco offered an extensive space for the festival,
23:39extending over half a mile.
23:42Then the writer and critic concluded in his article that,
23:46According to these goals, the festival will double the Atlas Prize,
23:51which is a modern initiative aimed at enhancing the local and international distribution
23:56of Moroccan, Arab and African films in Morocco,
24:01and to obtain Atlas support.
24:09A good report on a good article published by Variety magazine
24:12about the International Moroccan Film Festival.
24:15Let's talk about the iconic film of all times,
24:19Casablanca, which is one of the best ten films of all time.
24:24Bonnie, you mentioned that a while ago.
24:29What do you prefer in this film, and how is it viewed in America and Morocco today?
24:35Mark, I love that Casablanca is a cultural icon,
24:39not just of Morocco, but of the world through the Hollywood.
25:04Because of their age, they still trust us to work in Morocco.
25:09And this film had a great cultural impact in the United States.
25:14It also attracts tourists to Morocco.
25:18There is not one American who goes to Morocco
25:22without visiting Casablanca, Marrakesh, Fes, Ribat
25:27and all parts of Morocco in his tour program.
25:30Casablanca is one of the most important film icons of all time.
25:39We will be back after a short break
25:42to learn more about the magic of sport, art and words
25:47in creating a better human society.
26:00Welcome back to the second part of Min Washington.
26:10We are talking about soft diplomacy.
26:30I think they are very important.
26:50But the interesting thing is they are supported by the fact
26:54that Morocco has very, what I would call, inspiring leadership as well.
27:01And the important thing is that Morocco has a wise leadership
27:05that supports that.
27:07For example, we saw how the Americans were encouraging
27:11the Moroccan election.
27:13And I remember how I saw the Moroccan flags
27:17and big meetings in restaurants chanting the name of Morocco.
27:22And the paradox is that if this team was an Iranian team,
27:28it would not have been possible for the Americans to encourage it.
27:32And so it is a combination of sports and culture
27:37and it is a combination of a wise leadership
27:41that works to provide security and support luxury.
27:45And these are things that help when they come together
27:49and create a strong force.
27:52So I think this is the reason why Morocco
27:56is so popular around the world.
27:59Because they do not see their country culturally,
28:02but they have a wise leadership.
28:05And when this comes together,
28:08you come out with an effective soft force around the world.
28:12Bonnie Glick, from your experience as a deputy director
28:19of the American Agency for International Development,
28:23what is the biggest soft force that you have seen?
28:27We talked about the programs of the American Agency for International Development,
28:32like what DevTech did with the help of experts in sign language
28:38to help deaf children in countries like Morocco.
28:42What is the extent of America's involvement in programs like this
28:46and the importance of this to the Moroccan-American relationship?
28:50The deployment of USAID, International Development, as a soft force,
29:51is an important role for many African countries.
29:57What the soft force guarantees to Morocco is that
30:02when your African friends have problems,
30:06they will talk to us in Rabat, not Russia,
30:09and they will talk to us in Fes, not Iran.
30:12Simply, they will talk to us in Morocco, not China.
30:15And this is important for migration,
30:18because all of this comes under the diplomacy of the soft force.
30:21Very true.
30:23George Landreth, you wrote a book as well.
30:26That's right.
30:27George, you wrote a book entitled
30:29The Call for Freedom Bells to Ring
30:32about the spread of democracy and wise governments around the world.
30:35Through your experience,
30:37how long has Morocco's reliance on the soft force
30:41to achieve geopolitical influence
30:44over the long term, as Bonnie mentioned?
30:49I think it's very sustainable.
30:52And what I mean by that is, I think it will build on it.
30:55I think it's very sustainable.
30:58And what I mean by that is,
31:00it is reinforcing itself and expanding little by little.
31:05And it will continue to do so,
31:07because there is evidence of that.
31:09Whether on a cultural or educational level,
31:12or in other areas on the international stage.
31:16Where Morocco stands as a country
31:19that is rational, objective, balanced, and successful,
31:24thanks to its leadership.
31:26And these are things that complement each other.
31:30So, the image of Morocco around the world is not only stable,
31:34but it is developing and growing.
31:37And that is important.
31:39That is why most people see Morocco as a gateway to Africa.
31:44And it is not a situation related to the current situation.
31:48Rather, they are looking forward to the next 5 or 10 years,
31:52or the next 20 years.
31:54And they see that this is important,
31:56and that this effect will be greater.
31:59This means that the status of Morocco is important today,
32:02because it is expanding and growing.
32:04And many of these results are due to the generous,
32:08sincere, and creative leadership that contributed
32:11to the coordination of all these factors.
32:14And it is also what pushes the countries of the world
32:17to consider Morocco as a friend and ally
32:21that contributes to making the world a better place.
32:24And that is what they are doing for it.
32:32We talked about football,
32:34and the great performance of the Moroccan team
32:36in the last World Cup.
32:38And there is also the great Zellige art,
32:41which we see in many museums and houses
32:45in several places around the world and in America.
32:50In Morocco, there is also the caftan and the jellaba,
32:54and many other influential things in the world.
32:58And we also saw the winning-winning strategy
33:01that Morocco follows within the framework of the African Union,
33:05which strengthens its economic and cultural role.
33:09Tell us about what Morocco can do more than this
33:14in the coming years.
33:17By engaging with the world,
33:20Morocco demonstrates what it really is geographically
33:25and geopolitically poised.
33:28By engaging with the world,
33:31Morocco demonstrates what it really is geographically
33:36and geopolitically poised.
33:40That is, it becomes a gateway to Europe,
33:43America and Africa as well.
33:46And this is an important geographical location
33:49that Morocco has,
33:51and therefore this is a blessing for this country.
33:55Morocco also enjoys the blessing of natural resources.
34:00Because of the Russian attack on Ukraine,
34:03the size of agricultural fertilizers in the world has decreased
34:07since 2022,
34:10and Morocco is the first to export phosphate,
34:14one of the most important components of agricultural fertilizers.
34:17Morocco has also taken responsibility
34:22for ensuring the supply of fertilizers
34:25to avoid the countries south of the coast and the desert
34:28lacking in food.
34:31The role played by Morocco through its soft power,
34:35through its sports and culture,
34:38allows the world to discover the beautiful face of Morocco.
34:42allows the world to discover the beautiful face of Morocco.
34:47And its delicious foods that enter our homes all
34:52are its messages that move from Morocco to America and Europe
34:58and also the Middle East and Africa.
35:06George, what is the Moroccan approach to religious diplomacy,
35:11especially the support of the Sufi and the Tijani way?
35:16And how does this contribute to the influence of Morocco in the Islamic world?
35:29I think it's a powerful movement because King Mohammed VI
35:33is considered an inspiring leader.
35:36He visits other countries and establishes mosques there
35:40and contributes to their development.
35:43I think that the Moroccans are reluctant to publish the image of Islam
35:48as a religion of peace,
35:51and I say this for the real Muslims.
35:54The proof is that Morocco is one of the opponents of the Iranian approach.
35:59Iran does not represent Islam in the right way,
36:03while its majesty presents Islam as a religion that contributes to society.
36:08It is certain that you will not stand on the same truth
36:12if you stand on the way of Iran in religious practice.
36:16It is radical and does not respect others.
36:21The king is the prince of the believers
36:25and plays a major role in identifying real Islam with all pride
36:35and at the same time respects all other beliefs.
36:39Islam of the Moroccans does not mean their hatred or rejection of other beliefs.
36:45As a result, His Majesty was able to establish a national unity
36:51and therefore he is respected all over the world.
37:00We hope that King Mohammed VI will be healed soon.
37:07The Moroccan diplomacy has fought a fierce battle in the UNESCO organization
37:13that advocates the protection of cultural heritage,
37:18which is important for societies.
37:21We have seen Morocco's objection to Algeria's attempts
37:27to register the Moroccan caftan under its name,
37:31which Morocco sees as a deliberate theft of this important heritage.
37:36To learn more about this topic, let's watch this report.
37:40A breach of the Moroccan heritage
37:43is a legitimate violation of the Algerian cultural authorities' attempt
37:49to register the Moroccan caftan under its name
37:52during the 19th round of the UNESCO Cultural Heritage Council
38:00hosted by the capital of Asunción in the Republic of Paraguay
38:05between the 2nd and the 7th of the 1st of December.
38:09In spite of its previous and repeated attempts,
38:14such as the Zellige, the Couscous and a long list of traditional Moroccan products,
38:20the attempt to fail after Morocco's official objection
38:26was accepted by the UN Committee,
38:29which identifies the ancient Moroccan kingdom,
38:33its heritage and cultural heritage in the past.
38:37The Moroccan caftan was, for decades,
38:41a purely Moroccan product and innovation,
38:44created by Moroccan craftsmen from the ancient Moroccan cities
38:49and brought to the world in the most famous events and festivals.
38:54It was worn by the world's most famous artists and politicians,
38:59among whom we discovered the artistic and aesthetic touch
39:04of this garment that resisted expulsion
39:07and still resists the attempt of robbery and theft.
39:11The Algerian authorities' attempts to achieve this
39:15are in fact based on the fact that the Moroccan caftan is of Algerian origin,
39:21claiming that its origin is the Ottoman origin,
39:24a lie that the mind does not accept,
39:27and that it is based on a pre-existing intention
39:30to manipulate and play with the history of the ancient nations and their cultures.
39:34The Fas, which embraces the oldest mosque on the face of the globe,
39:39is the same Fas that exported the caftan to Istanbul,
39:43and Turkey today is what it calls the Fas caftan,
39:47and by comparison it has many of the original Moroccan cultural symbols.
39:52And because the history of Morocco is a witness
39:55to the cultural impact it has had and still has
39:58in the regional and regional neighborhoods,
40:01the Moroccan craftsman and innovator did not refuse
40:04to transfer the culture of his country to his relatives and friends
40:08with cultural diplomacy and soft power.
40:11You can see this in human relations,
40:14which is its primary goal, and in civil dialogue,
40:17which is the highest achievement,
40:20but with a necessary and permanent right,
40:23its title is Made in Morocco.
40:26Now let's take a look and talk to our special guest.
40:30Let's talk to our guest Sam Patton,
40:33who has written a new book.
40:36Tell us about the role of diplomacy and your professional career,
40:40and how do Moroccans benefit from the ideas in this book,
40:45and others in your books as well?
40:48Thank you, Mark.
40:50This book is about what happens when people go to other countries
40:54and get involved in their political system.
40:57In one way or another, there is a diplomatic aspect
41:02that allows you to be more aware
41:05of how other countries interact with their affairs.
41:08Not all countries act in the same way.
41:11You have to respect their style and traditions
41:14if you want to be an influence.
41:17The book includes many funny and scary stories,
41:20and some of them revolve around some terrorist operations and explosions.
41:24In fact, there is a lot of information
41:27that can be found in the book.
41:30I was involved in an assassination attempt here in Washington,
41:34and I don't think the reason was the political side of the book,
41:38but it is part of the story.
41:41I think the book will interest Moroccans who are interested in our politics,
41:45just as we, as Americans, are interested in the policies of other countries
41:49and looking for ways to work together.
41:52The book touches on that in some aspects.
41:55The book is called Dangerous Company.
41:58How did your book get involved in developing the situation
42:02for a quarter of a century in America?
42:05From Bill Clinton to Donald Trump to Joe Biden,
42:09then to Trump again.
42:12Tell us how your book dealt with these different stages.
42:19In the past, people believed that America wanted to impose its style on the world,
42:24especially during the Cold War,
42:27which was based on competition with the Soviet Union
42:30by attracting allies to our side,
42:33just as the Soviets did.
42:36Suddenly, the Soviet Union collapsed,
42:39and America became the first world power,
42:42and things started to change,
42:45as some countries started to move and play important roles.
42:48The paradox in this book is the accusation that was directed to Russia
42:53and later revealed that this did not happen in the way it was promoted.
42:58What is interesting is that we saw the transformation of America
43:03from a single world power to a prominent world power.
43:06At the same time, we see some Americans
43:11protesting and saying,
43:15look what others are doing against us,
43:18which is what makes us at the forefront of other countries.
43:22Some say, look at what China is doing,
43:26and we noticed that in the last elections,
43:29there were accusations made against Iranians, China, and other countries
43:34in an attempt to interfere in our political system,
43:37just as some countries in the world say
43:40that America has been interfering in their political affairs for years.
43:45All this may help us understand some of the useful ways.
43:50After the last elections,
43:53people no longer talk a lot about foreign interference,
43:57as they used to do eight years ago.
44:00We may bring new issues to the scene today,
44:03and the most important of which is tolerance and overcoming hatred and anger.
44:07This is one of the things I wrote in this book.
44:10I want to thank you all for watching the program.
44:13We hope you enjoyed it.
44:16This year, which is coming to an end,
44:19was a great opportunity for all of us.
44:22Please contact us through social media,
44:25if you would like to learn more about international affairs,
44:28security issues, and politics.
44:31I would like to thank Bonnie Glick, Sam Patton,
44:34and the host of the program, George Landreth.
44:37I would also like to thank the program's broadcaster, Jihad Mansour,
44:40and the producer, Mohamed Saeed Al-Wafi.
44:43This is a greeting from me, Mark Pfeifferly,
44:46to all of you, our wonderful viewers.
44:49We will meet again next week, in January,
44:52in the program from Washington.
44:55We wish you a happy new year,
44:58which is the new year that I will spend with you in Morocco.
45:01I will be very happy if any of you would like to meet me
45:04and give me a greeting.
45:07Thank you all very much.
45:10See you next year.