Personalised Eating Disorder Support charity event filmed by Dan Parkes Productions
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00:00First of all, could I welcome you to this event which is marking 10 years of the remarkable
00:29charity that is Peterborough Eating Disorder Support.
00:34And thank you for turning out tonight.
00:36So a huge warm welcome and also a significantly drier welcome than you would have received
00:43if you turned up at Fairy Meadows this evening.
00:46So thank you very much indeed.
00:48And on that note, I just want to take my hat off to Mandy, Sue, to Donna, the entire PEDS
00:54team for turning around this event in the space of 24 hours wholesale.
01:02I think that deserves a round of applause, first of all.
01:10So thank you for your flexibility turning up here tonight.
01:13We're going to have a wonderful evening.
01:14We've got some live music.
01:16We've got some great guests and interviews lined up for you.
01:19So without much further ado, let me introduce the founders of PEDS, Mandy and Sue.
01:30Wow, wow, wow, wow.
01:39So many people.
01:41This is just, it's just incredible.
01:43So firstly, I think thank you to all of you because you have all been so incredibly flexible.
01:50This time yesterday, we were kind of no idea what we were going to do, but there was no
01:55way that we were going to lose the opportunity to join and celebrate with all of you, network
02:01with all of you.
02:02And we thought, how on earth would we ever get all of these incredible people in the
02:07same room at the same time again?
02:10So with help from Donna, our PEDS team, Jeremy, our amazing patrons and trustees that you're
02:17going to see later, we have just been able to be here.
02:22So yeah, thank you firstly.
02:24And I think anybody that hasn't met myself and Sue will tell you a little bit about our
02:29story and our journey and how we got here today.
02:34So before we do that, I just wanted to really think about the aim of the night and really
02:39for us, it's about celebrating what is your night.
02:44Each and every one of you make PEDS what PEDS is.
02:48Now all of us here tonight are here for one reason, which is eating disorders.
02:54And many, many years ago, Sue and I met back at Phoenix Centre in 2010.
03:03And back at that time, we were working on the ward as nurses for children and young
03:08people with eating disorders.
03:10And we really didn't know each other at all.
03:13We never got a chance to talk.
03:14It was not unusual to spend four hours at a table sitting with somebody, helping them
03:20manage their thoughts whilst they battled through a yoghurt.
03:24And at the end of that day, at the end of that shift, we would be in the office, a sigh
03:29of relief because the keys of the ward, of all their medications and all the doors and
03:34everything safety-wise, had been given over to the night nurses.
03:38And that's when we would write our notes.
03:40And this could be at 10, 11.
03:43Oh, at night, yeah.
03:45It would be really, really late.
03:47We'd be there for hours.
03:48The night staff would come in and say, you two are going home, you're back on at 7 in
03:53the morning.
03:54And it was the only opportunity that we would have to talk.
03:56And we used to say, something needs to be different, there needs to be more around early
04:01intervention.
04:02Now, this was before the days of the access and waiting times for eating disorders for
04:06children and young people.
04:07This was before 2015, before we met our wonderful colleagues at CAMHS who have joined us here
04:12tonight.
04:13So really, what we wanted to say is, this is as much your night as it is ours.
04:19Make it so that you go away from here with a new contact.
04:26Something that Sue taught me many, many years ago was, be curious, ask questions, find out.
04:32Everybody here tonight has got a story to share, something to tell, something that brings
04:37us here.
04:38When we started back in 2014, so we'd gone from working in the wards, we didn't know
04:44how a charity worked.
04:46We didn't have business heads at all.
04:50We had a drop-in centre and nobody ever dropped in.
04:52But we knew we kept saying one day we were going to be so busy.
04:57We had one real thing in mind, really, which was, there were a few words that were really,
05:03really important to us, which we wanted to share with you tonight.
05:06I think everybody in here will resonate with this.
05:10It's around a vision.
05:12We had a vision and we knew that we needed to improve services, work with services, develop
05:19services, do more around prevention, early intervention for eating disorders.
05:24We had that vision.
05:26That led to a massive passion and that passion then inspired the vision further.
05:30We had a belief.
05:32We had a belief that somehow we could do this and we could use our experiences to try and
05:37help other people as we learnt from other patients and their families and loved ones.
05:43We also had hope.
05:45As long as we have hope, we will continue to impact on those lives of people with suffering.
05:51We know that people can learn to manage their symptoms to build a life to get well for.
05:56That is so, so important to us.
05:59Just some figures quickly.
06:00When we first set up, we would see prior to COVID, we'd have about 15 referrals a month.
06:09We are now up to around a year, 700 referrals a year.
06:14Over the past 10 years, we've been able to reach more than 10,000 people.
06:19We've gone from two volunteer nurses.
06:22On that note, I think one thing that's really, really important to us is to say thank you
06:26to our family.
06:27Thank you to our friends for standing by and helping support and grow PEDS.
06:32We could not have done this without you.
06:34There are sacrifices that you guys have made to enable us to get PEDS where it is today.
06:40From people going up the mountains and doing the three peaks to running marathons to coming
06:45out in the night to helping us be able to see a patient on a Sunday morning because
06:49they're struggling.
06:51We really couldn't do that without the help of our loved ones.
06:55We really do appreciate that.
06:58Our training and education team.
07:00Gone from two nurses to a team of 15 employees.
07:05Within that, we have a training and education team.
07:08Since 2022, we've reached over 2,000 professionals, GPs, school nurses, other voluntary organisations
07:18and so forth.
07:19We have so much more to do.
07:21You're going to hear a bit more about that later.
07:24Be curious tonight, network, find out what other people are doing in the room, what brings
07:29them here.
07:30There are so many skill sets.
07:32There's so much passion.
07:33We've got our ex-service users.
07:37We've got people who are currently working with us.
07:39We've got collaboration.
07:41We've got co-production.
07:43We've got people who are all different parts of all different services, from adult services
07:48to children's services to other voluntary organisations.
07:51Come away from the night with at least one new contact or one thing that you've been
07:57able to ask from one another.
08:01Really from the bottom of our hearts, thank you.
08:04Lovely you're doing it.
08:06Thank you for coming.
08:07We've got lots of exciting things planned, which you will hear from shortly.
08:11Thank you very much.
08:12Mandy and Sue, round of applause for them, please.
08:21Now EastEnders fans this week will know what I mean when I say if you see our next guest
08:25at the top of the stairs, might be an idea to give him a wide berth.
08:30But our next guest is a star, not just of stage and TV, but also a star for being such
08:37a hugely supportive patron of this wonderful charity, PEDS.
08:43Please put your hands together for Michelle Collins.
08:54Michelle, lovely to have you here this evening.
08:56Hello.
08:57Are we sitting or standing?
08:58Oh, whatever you fancy.
08:59Should we sit?
09:00Yeah.
09:01Looks like a boy zone video.
09:02My heels are too high.
09:03How about yours?
09:04No, yours are alright.
09:05This is a very personal charity for you.
09:08If you're happy to, can you share your personal experience with eating disorder?
09:13I met Mandy and Sue, actually, it was 10 years ago, and they hounded me, basically.
09:19No, they didn't.
09:20I'll tell you, they're a force of nature.
09:23Is this the holiday in?
09:24No, well, I was, I'd written a book, an autobiography, and I'd wrote, I'd written about my eating
09:31disorder in that when I was about 18, 19, it kind of started and went on for a very
09:38long time.
09:39Well, as people know, suffering, it doesn't ever really end, but you learn to live with
09:43it, and I think it's, a lot of people in the public eye don't talk about it, and I don't
09:50know why.
09:51It seems to be getting better, but I thought it was really important to talk about it because
09:56it kind of defined my life.
09:58I think it gave me my drive for where I am kind of today, and so, for some reason, they,
10:06did you read it?
10:07I don't know.
10:08Maybe you didn't.
10:09Did you read it?
10:10Oh, anyway, so that was it.
10:11I ended up presenting something in Peterborough for a local Hero Award.
10:15I don't quite know how I got there, but anyway, so anyway, thank God I did because we met,
10:21and I was kind of busy, but they did track me down, eventually, and I met them, I met
10:29Simon, and yeah, I just, they're so amazing.
10:31In fact, they got an award last week, Mandy and Sue, for all the work they do at PEDS,
10:35so I should thank them.
10:38And also, not forgetting Simon Brown, who is just fantastic, just fantastic and is such
10:44a force of nature for the charity, and obviously has first-hand experience of it, his daughter,
10:53which I'm sure he's going to tell you about later, so yeah, and I've also, I did a kind
11:00of a teaser for, trying to make a documentary about eating disorders, I cannot tell you
11:06because it ain't sexy, it's, and they either want it to be really, really kind of, you
11:12know, awful, and it will destroy your life, and you will die, and actually, no, it doesn't,
11:19it's not a death sentence, is this all right, talking like this in front of children?
11:23It isn't, and I wanted to, I do want to make a documentary, we made a kind of a teaser
11:30documentary, and I think it's really important to dispel the myths about eating disorders,
11:38you know, it's not just white, bratty, rich girls who have eating disorders, it doesn't
11:44discriminate, it's men, as I found out, it's men, women, children, trans women, LGBTQ people,
11:53it's everywhere, and again, it is one of those things, it's called Control, because as we
11:59all know, you know, it's the one thing that people with an eating disorder can control,
12:05one of the only things sometimes that they can control, and I just think it's very important
12:08to talk about it, and I met some really fantastic people, we did a lot of kind of Zooms in lockdown,
12:17didn't we, and these, the people who spoke in this video, Control, were really brave,
12:24I mean, really, really brave, and it was quite tough sometimes hearing their stories,
12:31but those stories need to be told, they just need to be told, and again, dispelling the
12:35myth, and it's out there, and I think actually, I think it's probably worse than it's ever
12:40been, particularly with COVID, which has made people's mental health just go through the
12:45roof, so I've talked a lot, ask me some more questions.
12:50You've spoken very eloquently.
12:52Just go on and on.
12:53Well, you mentioned the video, should we see, should we see the video, so this is a teaser
12:57of a longer documentary we'd like to see in the future?
12:59Yeah, as I said, so this is a kind of a teaser, and I am still trying to get it out there,
13:06but this always makes me laugh that I sent it to a very big company, somebody put me
13:10in touch, and they said, it's great, but do you have any celebrity friends that have got
13:14eating disorders?
13:15Because, you know, you kind of go, oh my God, you know, it's so, but we will get it made,
13:22I will get it made, but, I mean, I don't know, maybe not, show it now, show it a bit later.
13:29Are you showing it?
13:31Okay.
13:32But anyway, so I think these, everybody, and I've been to the PEDS office, I've been to
13:38their place, I haven't been to the new place, which is brilliant that they've gotten a new
13:41place, and they do need so much funding, they really do, and, you know, everybody here,
13:47whether you're affected by it or indirectly, it probably will affect everyone in some kind
13:54of way in your kind of lifetime, and yeah, it's a tough one, but you can, and I am living
14:02proof, I can tell you, and I was, life was quite bad for me for a while, and I'm talking
14:07kind of in the 80s, when there wasn't much help, and there's so much more help around,
14:12and people talk about it, it was taboo, it was a taboo subject to talk about, so yeah,
14:18so I'm very proud of being a patron, and yeah, that's why I'm here, that's so, yes.
14:25Michelle, thank you very much indeed, I know you're a very busy woman, so your time here
14:29has been precious, but really appreciated.
14:32Michelle has kindly travelled here, and is driving three hours from here to go on to
14:37her next venture tonight, and has made this journey especially, so thank you.
14:42Oh, and can I also say that I got a plaque together, it's a big plaque, it's got Albert
14:48Square on it, and I practically got every single cast member, there's nearly 60 of us,
14:53and I went to pick it up tonight, and they'd locked it away in a cupboard, so I couldn't
14:58bring it, so we're going to put it in the auction, because it's really great actually,
15:03as I said, it's got everybody on it, and so whoever gets it, I will personally send it
15:12to whoever gets it, if it gets there by next year, I don't know, let's see, I'll send it
15:17special delivery, I'll send it special delivery, so please try and raise as much money for
15:22that as possible, because they're quite hard to come by, so yes, anyway, have a wonderful,
15:27wonderful night. You've got a long journey ahead, so we'll let you go,
15:30Michelle, thank you very much indeed. Thank you. Thank you. Round of applause for Michelle Collins,
15:34please. And I think we're going to see an excerpt of this future documentary, so this is called
15:43Control. The pandemic has had a devastating impact on vulnerable people,
15:48increasing anxiety and isolation, leading to anorexia and bulimia. Her bones have deteriorated,
15:55she was no longer able to do her running and her sports and what have you, she was
16:03trapped in an 80-year-old body. That's a video, Control, and incredibly brave to put your personal
16:11story there on camera, but what a difference that will be to other people going through
16:16similar situations. So round of applause, please, for that.
16:26I'd like to introduce, we've heard from the wonderful Michelle Collins, the patron of
16:30the PEDS charity. I'd like to introduce another patron this evening as well, Sister Erica,
16:35if you could please join us on the front of the stage. Thank you.
16:38Please grab that microphone, Erica. Thank you very much indeed. I need to ask you about
16:44traffic lights. Yes, that is the place where we first met with Mandy, and that was a funny story
16:53because every morning I was going to church and she was going to work actually, and so every time
17:02I stopped at a traffic light, she was there at exactly the same time and minute. Then we met
17:10in church actually, and the first thing that we said to each other, she asked me,
17:18are you the man at the traffic light? I am. Are you the lady trying to drive me up at the traffic
17:25light? That was the beginning actually of our friendship, and then I met Sue and I met all the
17:37other amazing staff and people from PEDS. After some time, they were looking for an admin.
17:48I didn't have much to offer, but I was there, I was free and I was looking for a job as well.
17:53I told, yes, why not? Let's try, but the funny thing is that we didn't have an office,
17:59we didn't have a laptop, we didn't have anything, any money, so I'm very happy,
18:10and I can say that I basically could see how PEDS grew from scratch actually, from nothing,
18:18and it was amazing. So slowly, they put things together and we learned how to work and to deal
18:29with everything. Up to now, I'm not working as an admin for PEDS anymore, but I'm still very
18:38close to the charity and to them and to every people. It's just amazing for me, just amazing
18:45because I can feel the passion behind the job and I can see how the fact that PEDS grew so much
18:57is because of this passion actually, and because of the care that everyone is putting into that.
19:04And are you staying away from busy junctions if you know Mandy's behind the wheel?
19:07Yes, but she's a good driver, so don't be scared.
19:11Sister Erica, patron of the charity, thank you, thank you very much indeed.
19:17I'd like to welcome to the front of the stage, please, the other trustees that we have with us
19:22this evening. If we have Pav, Rebecca and Andrew, if they could just make their ways to the front
19:29please, thank you. And Leslie and Mary, who are also trustees of the charity, unfortunately couldn't
19:35be with us this evening and they do send their apologies. Rebecca, if I could ask you first of all,
19:42so tell us, just introduce yourself briefly to the audience and tell us a bit about yourself.
19:48My name's Rebecca Ferris, I'm a GP and I also work in eating disorder services up in North Yorkshire
19:53now, but met Mandy and Sue when I was working down in Cambridge. Continuing the theme, they
19:58tracked me down, I think it was their NHSnet email. So I was working in a charity, in a practice that
20:05had a very big student population and I kept coming across people who wouldn't necessarily
20:09come and see me to talk about eating, they'd come and see me about headaches or feeling something
20:14wasn't quite right or tummy pains and I've got my own lived experience of eating disorders. I had a
20:21positive admission in my teens, it was quite poorly at the time, so possibly that meant that I probed
20:26a bit more than some of my colleagues might and I kept finding these people where food was just
20:30dominating their lives but they felt that they weren't ill enough to get help, didn't deserve to
20:34get help and I had a teaching session. I don't know if I've told you this, you did a teaching
20:39session for the GP trainees, which was when I became aware of PEDS and started referring people in
20:45and from there Mandy and Sue found me and asked me to join the trustee board and even with moving
20:50up to Yorkshire I said please let me still be involved because yeah, it's an amazing charity and
20:54I've seen so many people whose lives have been just transformed by Mandy and Sue's support.
21:01So many of our patients, so many of the students were saying I've got the most amazing GP,
21:07you know and we say who is it and in the end we said her name's coming up a lot, we need to get
21:11in touch so Mandy emailed you. Thank you. Rebecca, thank you very much indeed. Andrew, if you'd just
21:17like to say a few words, describe your role at PEDS and what brought you to the charity.
21:22Hi, it's a real scary thing here because I've been a trustee for two years and I was tracked down by
21:27Pav, who basically forced me to get involved and said, he said you know there's a really good
21:34charity, they could do with some help, they could do with some, you know, somebody to be a trustee,
21:39to provide some support, whatever. I went along, I think my first meeting was at a Christmas event
21:44etc, met everybody and the stories that you hear, they do so much good work. Once I'd been
21:52involved with them, you can't help but help them because it's just such a worthwhile charity
21:58and there is so much demand, so really proud to be a trustee and keep on supporting them.
22:04Andrew, thank you and Pav, if you'd just briefly tell us your role at the charity and what brought
22:10you to PEDS. My role is just to get tall people involved in the trustees into the charity. I'm
22:18now going to look for short people, so if anyone out there, oh perfect, we found a short one,
22:24nice, short people, right, sign that man up. PEDS have helped, I got involved purely because PEDS
22:30helped my family and I basically was grateful and then realised that there is so many more
22:36people out there that need help, but it's the passion, I think the sister mentioned it earlier,
22:41it's the passion that these two ladies bring into trying to do the right thing and do the good
22:47things and helping people. A round of applause please for Pav, Andrew and Rebecca, thank you.
23:00I'd like to welcome to the front of the room now please, the chair
23:04of PEDS and also a trustee himself, Simon Brown. Round of applause for Simon please, thank you.
23:09This looks like the Westlife OAP tour now, Simon, doesn't it?
23:19We got the outfit, yeah. Simon, thank you so much for joining us this evening. You touched
23:25upon your story there in the short clip we saw on the video, but tell us more about your
23:31daughter Emma please, if you would. I know there's a lot of people here who know the story, but for those
23:35who don't. Yeah, so Emma was pretty special, but there's one thing about being in amongst PEDS
23:44is I meet a lot of people who are either suffering, have suffered from this illness and
23:51I think they're all superhuman. I think to be struck by this illness, you've got to have a particular
23:59drive, you've got to be very determined, you've got to be incredibly talented,
24:06otherwise it's hard to sort of exert that level of control. So it's amazing, I've met some
24:17wonderful, wonderful people who are now able to build their life to get well for. And if I'm just
24:22going to give you a little insight on Emma, she was born in Africa, her grandparents are
24:29in the back of the room as well here today, so they'll remember those days when we had this
24:36amazing little girl, first one born in Africa. She was talking on her first birthday,
24:44she sang happy birthday to me on her first birthday and it kind of went from there. So this
24:49extraordinary young girl had an amazing time through primary school, went up to secondary
24:57school and that's when the sort of bullying started and her life started to unravel.
25:04So my journey actually with PEDS started actually about 20 years ago, we didn't know it then,
25:11but almost 20 years ago to the day, early December, she was admitted to the Phoenix
25:18Centre, which was where Mandy and Sue were working, I think not actually at that time,
25:26but that's where you started. And Mary, our trustee who's not here, was Emma's teacher.
25:33Carol, Carol's here.
25:34And Carol, Carol's here. Oh wow, hi Carol.
25:39Oh yeah, yeah, I recognised you. So yeah, 20 years ago, so she suffered through various cycles
25:51for the second half of her life and sadly she passed away just over six years ago.
25:57And I think there was an amazing doctor, Dr Jaco Serfantain, I don't know if Jaco's
26:04been able to come, but he came up to me at Emma's funeral and said, Simon, look,
26:10when you're ready, come and talk, because Emma had been, in his words,
26:17the world's greatest anorexic, one of his most challenging patients he'd ever come across,
26:23and he felt there was a lot to learn from what she went through. So for me, it was sort of the
26:29start of my salvation in many ways, was being able to do something positive about
26:41what had happened to Emma. And then meeting, being introduced by Jaco to Mandy and Sue,
26:49and then chased around the courtroom, I think it was, to come on board has just,
26:56it's transformed my life in so many ways. I think you have a bit of a choice when something really
27:03bad happens and you lose a child, nobody should lose a child, to sort of just get angry with the
27:09system and use it as an excuse for everything bad that ever is going to happen to you in your life,
27:16or choose to do something about it, and choose to work with positive people to help
27:22those who are suffering or have suffered like Emma, to build this life to get well for.
27:29Because when we help somebody like Emma build a life to get well for, it's going to be an
27:36extraordinary life. All of that talent, all of that ability, all of that creativity is going
27:42to come in, and they're the people who change the world. So I know it's a bit of a long story.
27:48But no, but from that heartbreaking story, you've managed to gather strength from somewhere,
27:54and with this charity, you see a great deal of hope going forward.
27:59I do, I do. And I think the hope lies in this concept of building a life to get well for,
28:06but a couple of things on that. Firstly, I would say, it takes an awful lot of courage
28:13to start a charity. It takes an awful lot of courage to become a nurse in the first instance,
28:19and decide to commit your life to caring for other people. But then if you are a nurse,
28:25and you're a successful nurse at the top of your game in the NHS, to step out of that world
28:32and decide to start a charity, as you did 10 years ago, it's slightly crazy, frankly, you know.
28:39Thank God you did, because I think that's where, certainly for me, the hope starts.
28:45The hope starts in these two amazing nurses that stepped out of an NHS life and decided
28:54that they were going to hooker by crook, build this charity to help people. So I think that's,
29:00for me, that was the kind of the first time that I felt, actually, there is, there's a hopeful
29:06story here. We can, and that nursing ethos, that ability to care for people. Because one of the
29:14things about this illness, and Emma was kind of proof of this, is she really struggled,
29:21she feared recovery. You know, she didn't want to get well, even when she was in a dreadful state,
29:27she was terrified of getting well. So the only way, really, you can break through that is just
29:34to care for people, to be a nurse, to be there for them. And I think that sort of the essence,
29:41if you like, of what it takes to build a life to get well for is really in Sue and Mandy, and then
29:49the team that they've built around them. So the courage, the care, and the kind of determination
29:56that you've got is just amazing. And it's, you know, it's, as I say, it's changed my life.
30:02Simon Brown, thank you very much indeed. Round of applause for Simon. Thank you, sir.
30:11Thank you, once again. If you're wondering, and who are you? That's a very valid question.
30:16I worked for the BBC for 20 years and had the privilege of speaking to Mandy
30:20on the radio for many years, and they asked me to come out here, and it's a real privilege as well.
30:24So thank you for your company this evening. Just a few things to tell you about. There's a raffle
30:30with some incredible prizes. There's family tickets to Burley House, there's hampers,
30:35there's no end of goodies. So please, if you are feeling generous, I think we've got Fabian,
30:40who's going to be walking around selling tickets, so do look out for him. Also,
30:45we're really keen for you to share any connection, any partnership, any personal story that you might
30:52have that links with the charity this evening. The main reason for that really is it will do
30:58wonders for future grant applications. So we'd really highly encourage you to do that. And if
31:05you're happy to be in part of the video, then please find Donna, give us a wave, Donna, here
31:11in the corner, if you don't know Donna and Mandy, and they'll escort you through to the very plush
31:16green room. So yeah, don't get too excited. Also, we've got photo opportunities here,
31:25if you haven't seen it, just to the side of the projector. It's sort of old school Polaroids,
31:31if you come across those. So do feel free to take photos alongside a guest book, which would also
31:36heartily encourage you to pop down your thanks or your memories, because that'd be a lovely
31:41keepsake for the future, for the history, when we come back in 10 years' time and celebrate
31:4520 years of PEDS. Food and drink announcement. There is a carvery just here. I'm sure you've
31:51probably walked past it on the way. Can I just say if we've got any vegans or vegetarians,
31:56can they please? There's Jake. Hello, give us a big wave, Jake. Jake's there taking any
32:01vegetarian, vegan orders that you have this evening. Please don't all rush there at once
32:06to the carvery. It closes at nine. But I think we'd really like people to sort of mingle and
32:13take greater advantage of just meeting new people and making new connections this evening. And
32:19one more thing to tell you about is live music this evening. And I think we're going to introduce
32:26the first band very shortly after this message from Mandy. I'm going to put my hand up now because
32:31I have a terrible habit of jumping in. So yeah, just put my hand up to say we have a live band.
32:38And we also have two live singers that are joining us this evening alongside the band. So yeah,
32:46plenty of music and partying and connections. Excellent. Thank you, Mandy. And thank you for me.
32:53And can I introduce them? Are we ready? Are the band ready? Here we go.
32:58Put your hands together, please, for the Tennessee Twins.
33:16The sun to the sun comes up again. We've got time for one last kiss before we pass on.
33:26Darling, we've got faith, heart and mind.
33:36I've been a little toxic, a little toxic, a little toxic, a little toxic. Come on, honey, stay a little longer.
33:47And the number is? 221. Here we go. 78.