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00:00So the Red Sox want Blake Snell they did they are not gonna get him obviously
00:06But they wanted Blake Snell this year. Yeah, but last year he was just out there
00:10Into spring training beyond spring training anybody could have had him they wanted nothing to do with him now
00:15He was one of their big targets, or did they really want him? How does that align?
00:20Well, well the good news would be this I guess if you want to spin a positive
00:23They weren't spending money last year. They are this year fine, and that is fair, and that's exactly they are
00:29I didn't want Blake Snell anyway. I'm not crying over losing out on Blake Snell
00:32He seemed to want him more than I but you could call your fancy team Snell the glove
00:35Will spinal tap reference nice Snell the glove nice anyway Gail the Snell no
00:44She's just mashing it
00:48Yeah, no, I don't want to do this Chloe from 24 by the way, yeah, that's right. Yeah, how about that?
00:53Mm-hmm so good working actress as she is throw salt at her in that
00:59I
01:01Remember
01:03But yeah, so no, but a year ago. They could have had a long
01:06I don't want the same thing with Tosca Hernandez like all of a sudden. It's like oh, they're gonna get Tosca Hernandez
01:11Yeah, you could have had him last so it makes me angrier about last year, but whatever maybe that's an indication. They're gonna spend
01:17the point there from Scott Boris is
01:20He's now telling teams. They're out. He is now narrowing down the finalists. What are you smiling about over there?
01:27The Red Sox to get a call that was red
01:29So I'm gonna get a call and then they're gonna say we were so close at least he called us like if we know him
01:33You're the one who went from zero to 1% I did go to 1%
01:35So you're you're now I think a little bit after sleeping on it
01:38I think I may have made a mistake. It might be down back down to zero moment of weakness
01:42They're not yeah, I was I got talked into it you guys are there were a lot of good vibes in here
01:45I was excited. Maybe it's the Christmas tree. It smells great. I
01:48Don't know what 1% might be high. He's zero
01:52Point you're back
01:54He's not he's not coming to the Red Sox a fair point. I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings this holiday season
01:59Yeah, but he's not coming. What a downer
02:01Fair point by dubs 985 in the twitch chat Dodgers didn't want Snell either and then they did what last year. Yeah fair
02:08I they also got Yamamoto in class now
02:11The Dodgers get a little more benefit of the doubt since they you know spend and get players and Oh a no Tony
02:16I forgot about
02:19Million dollars on Oh Tommy. I'll give you a good smell
02:22They were fine. They won the whole thing. The point is they could have had him last year and now all of a sudden they want
02:27Oh, yeah. Yeah
02:28So are you still at 25%? Yeah, really? Yes keep other teams are dropping out. I might have gone up since yesterday
02:35You're going down. So the report is so no, I've been gone. I've been going up
02:39So not me. I
02:42Feel like I'll get you deals this whole time though, or so they're announcing
02:47Or they're telling teams that you're out
02:50Mm-hmm. We haven't heard any of those teams yet, right that hasn't come out. No, no
02:54He said they're they're gonna start to start calling. I've seen is the Phillies didn't offer him a contract. Okay?
02:59Well, yeah, well, this is that's what Boris said yesterday
03:03Saying that teams will start to be eliminated. They're gonna start reaching out to teams. Here's what Ken Rosenthal wrote
03:07Okay at the Athletic. I think Drellick got a hat tip on this story as well
03:10I think it's not reporting
03:12The club's publicly known to be most serious about Juan Soto are the New York Mets
03:16The New York Yankees the Boston Red Sox the Toronto Blue Jays and the LA Dodgers
03:20So those are the five with the most known interest we heard five John Heyman choking on a pancake
03:25Off the jersey brunch talking about that. Yes
03:28Yeah, the two people briefed on the negotiation said that all the remaining contenders have also made offers above
03:35600 million dollars a big chunk of change
03:38You're you're you don't think the Red Sox have any chance at landing if they've made we've had two or three different people now
03:43Yeah, Hector Gomez Ken Rosenthal Randy Miller nj.com have said the Red Sox have offered 600 plus million dollars
03:50You don't think they're gonna get him. Well, if you don't have no chance if they're all offering 600 million dollars
03:54I don't think the Red Sox are getting a tiebreaker. I think they're gonna have to go
03:57I totally agree with that. So if they're getting multiple 600 offers like but if they're offering 600 million
04:03You don't think there's a chance they're gonna go above and beyond and I'll offer everybody else
04:06So do you believe that they offered 300 million to Yamamoto last year? No. Yeah, so do you but do you believe this?
04:10Yes, but wasn't it reported last year that they offered 300 million was it who had that report?
04:16This is three different reporters in the last week who are saying they've done it
04:19Yeah, I guess I think they have to kind of blow them out of the water though
04:21Like if you go back to like the I agree that I mean the only team that they can win a tiebreaker with is the Blue
04:26Jays we established that yesterday. You have to outspend the Yankees the Mets and the Dodgers. Mm-hmm Rosie Mark Feinstein
04:32I'll tell you what Mark Feinstein said. Well, yeah go for it
04:35So MLB comms Mark Feinstein
04:38Says that
04:41But I have yet to speak to one person in the industry executives agents, etc
04:45Who believes Soto will wind up with any team other than the Yankees or Mets? Yeah, the New York team
04:50So Rosenthal has a similar report
04:52He says the Mets are widely regarded as the favorite
04:54Yeah for Soto with many in the industry believing team's owner Steve Cohen will top any rival bit
04:58This is what I said this yesterday. I still feel this way. I'm not telling you the Red Sox are getting him
05:03But I I give it a lot greater chance than you do and I think the Mets are the team that I would be most
05:08Fearful of I'm not afraid of the Yankees do not spend. I'm not afraid of the Yankees
05:12Yeah, the Yankees desperately want to keep Soto
05:14He adds as a compliment to Aaron judge and the Red Sox have emerged as a quote-unquote Keefe
05:21Surprising force in negotiations. So make of that what you will he also rising for he also adds the Dodgers and Blue Jays are considered longer
05:28shots in the race
05:29Yeah, I mean, I don't think that if the Dodgers really want them
05:33They'll get them the Blue Jays definitely to me are a long shot the Blue Jays seem like a team that also aren't really
05:38Gonna close. They're not really gonna get anybody
05:39Okay
05:39So Rosenthal says the Mets are the favorites he has the Yankees and Red Sox on a similar tier saying the Yankees want him and the
05:44Red Sox are a surprising force. It feels similar to me though with with other guys now the money is
05:50Significantly higher. Mm-hmm, but it feels like oh we just missed on Blake Snell. We just missed on Seth Lugo
05:56We just missed on to Oscar Hernandez. We just missed on Jose Abreu
05:58We had similar offers to all those guys. We were in it
06:01We're we're we're the interest Kings or what was the other new one this year? Oh, there was like aggressive player
06:06No, it was some yeah, what was other fun little nickname for them?
06:09What was it but until they signed somebody of real significance like I'm just not gonna believe it
06:15so I think that's if they get out of the offseason and sign nobody I think that's more fair if they
06:21Reportedly have offered 600 plus million dollars and then they end up with Corbin Burns
06:24I'm gonna I'm gonna believe that more I'll be happy with that if they end up with Chapman and say Oscar Hernandez and Walker
06:30Bueller and it's a bunch of you know, quote-unquote scraps compared to what we were talking about
06:34Those are decent players good players even but scraps
06:38Yep, if they wind up with that I'll be less inclined to believe they were really in on Soto
06:42But if they pivot from Soto to Max Fried or they pivot from Soto to like Bregman
06:47I'm gonna look at it and say no they were they were
06:49Willing to spend this offseason
06:51Multiple writers people who cover the sport well-respected guys like Ken Rosenthal said they've offered 600 plus million
06:57I think they're in I think they're really in on no that shows a real sign of change if
07:04They're offering this kind of money because you know a lot of time the same thing in football
07:09Yeah, you know what they what they reportedly offered
07:12Brandon Iuke or Calvin Ridley with the Patriots. It's like well, what if the guy says, all right, I'll take it
07:17Well
07:19Now we have to pay a receiver 20 plus a million a year like so you think it's a fake 600 million dollar offer kind
07:24Of you do. Yeah
07:26Earlier this week or late last week. You said no. No, no. No, that's a real offer
07:29Well, no, if like 600 million is a ton of money
07:32So like you have to at least have that prepared on the off chance that they're like, yeah, we'll take it
07:37But I think they can kind of read the room and they know that early on the 700
07:42Well, it's going way north of six
07:44So like if you come in at six a big-time offer Hector Gomez is the only one who said this specific number
07:49But Hector Gomez said 625 others others now
07:53Randy Miller and Rosenthal both called it over 600. Yeah, I just feel like if you're
07:58Breslau and you put that offer out there. It's a I get it. It's a big offer
08:03It's a staggering number, but you know, you're going against the Yankees the Mets the Dodgers and even the Blue Jays
08:09You're not gonna have the most here's a text three seven ninety three seven
08:13I already think the worst ownership in the city right now is the Patriots ownership. I already think that okay, but it's neck-and-neck
08:18It's Henry or craft. Okay, the Celtics are selling the team
08:22Well, well good point. I guess we don't really I guess TV
08:26Don't you have to put whoever the Celtics owners are by default at number one right now this there
08:31Yeah, and then wait dad Jacobs by default has to be two
08:36Oh, yeah, yeah by default this is similar to the coming to know it's like talking about the Patriots hot seat
08:42Yeah, it's exactly like that. But okay Jacobs by default is to number one
08:47I think my default is whoever is gonna own the Celtics. So it's neck-and-neck Henry or craft worse owners in the city
08:53379 3 7
08:54Is this the worst ownership move ever isn't the guarantee? Oh, I'm sorry. I thought this was about the Red Sox
09:00Isn't this the worst ownership move ever? It's a guarantee of the future coach being enough. That's about Patriots
09:04Oh, yeah, but I thought what they were saying was if you land one Soto
09:09Don't you all of a sudden have to give Henry but not over craft in this city? Yes
09:14Oh because they land one so don't you have to say the worst owner is not even close Robert Kraft
09:18No, the two of actually kind of paralleled each other quite a bit. There's so much success, right?
09:23If you take a step back, there's so much success, but then there's been recent down years
09:26There were times where they spent a lot and then there have been times more recently where they haven't spent
09:31So they mirror each other quite a bit
09:33But this offseason for the Red Sox versus the upcoming offseason for the Patriots could break the tie easily
09:41If you end up with Juan Soto and like a true number one pitcher
09:45Then they get the leg up if they don't and they bring in a Raldus Chapman
09:49Yeah, a couple other dudes and then the Patriots go out there and get a number one receiver and like change their offensive line
09:55Okay. Well if that happens then you're right. Well, they're both huge ifs at this point. I don't feel confident either one
10:01I'm not putting money down that I'm more major change
10:04I'm more confident the team that makes a big ad is the Red Sox they do it. They do it routinely now
10:08Do you know why they've done it but they do it and maybe now they just feel like they've been backed into a corner
10:13Yeah, they exactly worse doing that. That's the logic and the other thing
10:16I do give Henry over craft when I really sit down and think about it. They're both awful
10:19I don't like either owner
10:21But the one thing I give Henry is that he has found multiple ways to win different managers different GM's different crop
10:27That is night and day. I mean the crafts only one with Brady and Bill but Brady. Yep. That's it
10:33That's all they ever did as owners
10:35They got another Super Bowl appearance with Parcells if you want to give them that they inherited Parcells, but they did do that. It's true
10:40Um, but that that's all they they ever did
10:43So if I'm breaking ties between two crummy owners, I break the tie in favor of Henry for that reason
10:49But they're both crummy owners if they go out and sign Soto
10:51I don't even understand how you argue that craft isn't the worst. It is great. I mean
10:56Managers are less important than head coaches, but to win with three different managers
11:01We win a World Series three different managers different GM's is pretty impressive three different GM
11:05They won post Ortiz and a hand I was gonna say in a handful of kind of star players and like faces of the franchise
11:10Now they've they've also bottomed out right? They've had more
11:13Oh, yeah, please finish it under the red slot
11:14I mean the Patriots are staring down the barrel of a another last-place finish
11:21They really might let's go to the phone Steve is an Agawam go ahead Steve
11:26I
11:27How you doing doing great?
11:30so my thought on Soto is
11:33Honestly, I don't think the Red Sox gonna sign him and quite honestly, I hope they don't because I mean, I honestly feel yeah
11:40I mean, I honestly feel why don't you just spend all that money?
11:43They're gonna spend it sold on pitching even if you get Soto
11:46It's not a guarantee that the Red Sox are gonna make the playoffs, you know
11:49They have a lot of position players a lot of good prospects in the farm system
11:52I honestly feel like they should focus more on pitching. Okay. Well Steve, uh, you can do this Rosenthal also made the point by the way
11:59That it's less likely they go out and sign again living in a fantasy world Soto and burns Soto and freed
12:06It's more likely they trade their prospects for someone like Garrett crochet now. He disagreed with that
12:11He said he thought that would be a bad move
12:13Why not hold on to your prospects and just spend the money but he said that's the word in the industry is it's more likely
12:18They would then swing a trade in addition to the Soto signing for pitching help fine
12:22He brought up the odds of making the playoffs. I did catch this today at ESPN
12:25I thought it was interesting because it attempts to quantify
12:27Who would get the biggest bump from signing Juan Soto out of all the teams in the mix?
12:31Okay, ESPN said it is the Red Sox out of all the teams that could sign him. They would get the biggest bump
12:35Yeah, I agree
12:36I mean the Dodgers just won the World Series the Yankees just in the World Series
12:39So it really comes down to the Mets and you're attracting him off the Yankees
12:42So yeah, right he they right while we refer to five wins is a good baseline expectation for Soto's impact on a team's record
12:48Just blanket. That's what he would impact
12:51The number landed at six and a half for the Red Sox
12:54Pushing the Red Sox from a below 500 team to around an 83 win expectation
12:58The improvement moves Boston from the fringe of playoff contention to about a 40% chance of making the playoffs. It is amazing
13:03He's fallen war man. Yeah, it's a bit six hundred million dollars for five wins
13:07It is I mean well six and a half in the Red Sox case
13:11But that's what he wrote
13:12No, I mean that is I mean it's how it goes
13:14But you just you think about the lineup and what the lineup could look like but my point to the caller would be yeah
13:20Pitching would help you make the playoffs as well. This move almost singularly. I mean increases your playoff chances
13:25I don't wanna say exponentially
13:26But by by a ton where you go from probably not a playoff team to a likely playoff team just on signing him alone
13:32oh, yeah, and I
13:34With baseball you don't need to win 95 100 games
13:38You win 88 games get into the wild card and go on a run. It happens all the time
13:43So yeah, I think they're really it's frustrating as last season was and previous seasons have been they haven't been that far out of it
13:51Every trade deadline we've talked about you got to pick a path
13:54They're right there like you're a couple games out and that was you know without a guy like Juan Soto
13:59No, they had who were the bum ass relievers. Yeah. Oh my god. Who are those guys one after the neck Lucas Sims?
14:06Oh, yeah, they added Lucas
14:09Garcia yeah, that guy was terrible
14:12It was not a great deadline. Although Danny Jansen played in the same game for two different teams
14:17I was that I was that yeah, you're at the day. I was that both
14:20I was that I was at the one that got rained out and that was amazing
14:22I was at the neck
14:23I believe the next game keep might have been after our first show one of our very first shows
14:27That's true went over to Fenway and took that in it was baseball history Danny Jansen. They never seen it before
14:33I mean some people in the hall of fame some people in this room never saw it still I was there
14:37I was there in the flesh. I witnessed baseball history. It's amazing. Never know what you're gonna get when you show up to the ballpark
14:42Yeah, I mean I didn't mean to throw that in your face Breslau also brought back James Paxton who was always hurt and then got
14:47Hurt again. So there's that I love that guy. That was a good surprise. I didn't work out
14:51Yeah, six one seven seven seven nine seven ninety three seven the Red Sox are hang on. Let me get the wording again
14:56What do you have because I know you scoffed at it. The Red Sox are viewed as a surprising force surprising force
15:04That's my nickname in high school