UniTeam no more?
Tila mas lumalim pa ang hidwaan sa pagitan ng dating magka-tandem at UniTeam na sina President Ferdinand ‘Bongbong’ Marcos Jr at Vice President Sara Duterte.
Sa isang virtual press conference noong November 22, pinagmumura at pinagbantaan ni VP Sara ang buhay nina Pangulong Bongbong Marcos, First Lady Liza Marcos at House Speaker Martin Romualdez. Ayon kay VP Sara, may inutusan na siya para ipapatay ang tatlo sakaling may pumatay sa kanya.
Ayon kay National Security Adviser Eduardo Año, pinag-aaralan nila ang naging pahayag ng pangalawang pangulo at itinuturing na national security issue ang lahat ng banta laban sa Pangulo ng Pilipinas.
Hindi naman sang-ayon si Pangulong Marcos Jr. sa anumang balak na impeachment o pagpapatalsik sa puwesto laban kay VP Sara dahil makakaapekto lamang daw ito sa trabaho ng mga kongresista at senador.
Ang kahihinatnan at epekto sa bansa ng hidwaan nina Pangulong Bongbong Marcos at VP Sara, tatalakayin ni Professorial lecturer ng UP College of Law, Atty. Rowena Daroy-Morales sa #TheMangahasInterviews.
Tila mas lumalim pa ang hidwaan sa pagitan ng dating magka-tandem at UniTeam na sina President Ferdinand ‘Bongbong’ Marcos Jr at Vice President Sara Duterte.
Sa isang virtual press conference noong November 22, pinagmumura at pinagbantaan ni VP Sara ang buhay nina Pangulong Bongbong Marcos, First Lady Liza Marcos at House Speaker Martin Romualdez. Ayon kay VP Sara, may inutusan na siya para ipapatay ang tatlo sakaling may pumatay sa kanya.
Ayon kay National Security Adviser Eduardo Año, pinag-aaralan nila ang naging pahayag ng pangalawang pangulo at itinuturing na national security issue ang lahat ng banta laban sa Pangulo ng Pilipinas.
Hindi naman sang-ayon si Pangulong Marcos Jr. sa anumang balak na impeachment o pagpapatalsik sa puwesto laban kay VP Sara dahil makakaapekto lamang daw ito sa trabaho ng mga kongresista at senador.
Ang kahihinatnan at epekto sa bansa ng hidwaan nina Pangulong Bongbong Marcos at VP Sara, tatalakayin ni Professorial lecturer ng UP College of Law, Atty. Rowena Daroy-Morales sa #TheMangahasInterviews.
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00:00Is it just politics, or is it that the real issues that are happening are being covered up by Vice President Sara Duterte, House of Representatives, and President Bongbong Marcos?
00:18Civil, criminal, and administrative proceedings are said to be possible. What does the law say?
00:25Let's find out together with Professor Rowena Rowy Daroy-Morales of the University of the Philippines College of Law. Good day, Ms. Rowy.
00:36Good day, Ms. Malou. I have a regular program in GMA, so I'm not just a guest, I'm also a host of my own program.
00:46Yes, we can see that. Our problem now is, we will ask you, what is your real vision? What are the issues? Is this just a fight in a verbal battle, or is this a struggle for power and position for power?
01:05I have something to say before I answer directly. One of the characters in our mini-drama is a child of a former president whose language is very colorful.
01:23And we know that the apple does not fall far from the tree. So whatever he wants to say, whether it's beautiful or not, we can't do anything about it. He will use, or he will use, because he grew up in that environment, the words of his father, the former president, Rodrigo Duterte.
01:52That's why there's a beautiful, we can watch our Madla. Our Madla is fond of teledramas, and our Madla is fond of flow of emotions, especially intense emotions.
02:11Conflict.
02:13Intense emotions, whether or not conflict, including love and romance. As long as it's intense. Intense in the sense that it will be mirrored on the face and non-verbal expressions.
02:28He used all of that. That's why the viewership and listenership is so broad.
02:34Attorney Rowy, let's go to the basics first. On the part of Vice President Sara, what is the wrong thing that she did by law?
02:44There's a disbarment motion, there's a motion to subpoena the NBI because of grave threat or the proposal to murder the President, the Speaker and the First Lady.
02:58There's also the pending confidential and intelligence funds. What are the issues that should be faced? What is the violation of the law that she possibly did?
03:10Wait a minute. I think we saw that the root of all of this is the house. Isn't it? Because we're talking about the budget and before we talk about the budget,
03:22because that's one of the important things that the house does. You will look at the budget of the past year, you will look at the expenses,
03:33you will look at if there are still people living there or if it's too much. That's why the person in charge of that agency needs to sit down so that they can be clear.
03:46But this is where the clash of personalities happens. There are members of the house that you can clearly see their anger and anger and you can also hear their anger in their voices
04:01even if they sound very cool. You can hear it because we have what we call non-verbal language.
04:10Alright, okay.
04:12It can be magnified on the screen, it can be magnified on the media. Unlike in person, you can choose to look away for a while, right?
04:25But if you're in the media, you can see it. If you can't see it, you'll think that you're in the news. So it can magnify all of that. People have different opinions.
04:37Another feature of our media is that there are a lot of sidebars, a lot of comments, a lot of bashers, a lot of trolls that praise.
04:51Those are also the basis of people's opinions.
04:56What issues should they face? Because the confidential and intelligence funds are the ones that the house should face.
05:03It should face Vice President Sara because there's misuse, abuse, misappropriation, and defamation.
05:10But other people started to talk about this fight. If they will read the issues that they should face,
05:18whether it's a violation of the law or abuse that they should defend, what are those? Just to clarify the baseline issues.
05:28There are two venues. One is what she said and did inside the house.
05:34Alright.
05:35Or what she did to her representatives.
05:38Second, what she did and said outside the house but in connection with the investigation.
05:46In the house, the confidential funds are being discussed.
05:51Correct.
05:52To be honest, if you don't want to answer or if your representative doesn't want to answer, you have the right not to answer.
06:01I think we heard the, I refuse to answer on the right of self-incrimination.
06:07We hear that from the criminals because they will be incriminated for confessing.
06:13But even outside the criminal court, they can say that because whatever they say is under oath and can be used against them.
06:25That's why they chose to be silent.
06:28But I do not understand, if you choose to be silent, why you should be cited in contempt?
06:36Yes.
06:37The meaning of contempt is being disrespectful or not lying.
06:49Because how will you know if a person is lying? Disrespectful or another kind.
06:56Alright.
06:58Yes, again.
06:59Disrespect, like saying all those nasty curses and all that stuff.
07:09So can that be contempt?
07:12Yes, it can be contempt.
07:14But I think someone was held in contempt for not wanting to say something.
07:19But the contempt that was done by the House, it was mixed.
07:24Refusal to respond to questions.
07:26Which is not contemptuous.
07:28Correct.
07:29Lying or not telling the truth.
07:31But that's judgment call of the members of the House.
07:34But the problem is the disrespect of the chamber.
07:39The person is in front of the chamber but doesn't want to face it.
07:42And when it came to the hearing, Vice President Sara and her people didn't respond.
07:51So she came.
07:53So there's no disrespect in connection with not attending.
07:58Correct.
07:59So when she came and showed her face like this or that or said something or didn't speak,
08:07that is another thing.
08:09Correct.
08:10We know that there is such a thing as lying by being silent.
08:15You don't have to say a lie by saying, saying or declaring or oralizing a particular statement that is not the truth.
08:26But even if it so happens, how can you know that it's not true unless you have a basis?
08:31This is a hearing in aid of legislation.
08:40Not a hearing in aid of persecution and prosecution.
08:46That's why we should know our...
08:50Let's not pretend that we're in a court and we're the judge.
08:55Let's remember, Ms. Malu, you know this more than I do.
08:59That the Filipino people love to watch dramas.
09:03And towards the end, they will go for the underdog.
09:08Alright, okay.
09:09Now, the problem is that the process of hearing typically is political or in aid of legislation, they say.
09:18But what Vice President Sara insisted, why just me?
09:22There are many confidential funds in the Office of the President, Office of the Speaker, and other agencies.
09:29So I think there is a point there because when we asked the House members,
09:35is this really conditioned by the compass of Speaker Martin Romualdez that's why you have such a hearing?
09:43That's why I'm just asking because the context is implicit or explicit.
09:50Maybe they will lose in the 2028 elections.
09:54It's too far away but that's the context.
09:57Two groups that you said want to stay in power.
10:03So is Vice President Sara right?
10:07Why just me?
10:10That's right because she's a potential opponent to the politicians.
10:16Because we know that Martin is a cousin.
10:20Correct.
10:21So it's a family.
10:23And Sara is a daughter.
10:25So it's the same.
10:26So it's the same members of the family of the politicians who are in or have become in high positions.
10:37Alright.
10:38What you said is good.
10:39Inside the House, what are the issues that were discussed?
10:44But the story came out outside the House.
10:48And it started from the point of view of Vice President Sara,
10:52there are many allegations that there is corruption,
10:56that they are the speaker, that she also has POGO, that she took bribery.
11:02So outside the House, the decibel and the tension increased.
11:06You said that we want an intense drama but this is a high intensity conflict.
11:12So in that aspect, what should she face?
11:16What are the sub-lines that Vice President Sara is saying?
11:21Leave out when it's already cheap because that's what people don't like.
11:26Or liked.
11:28Or liked.
11:29Because that's what they're used to.
11:31Correct.
11:32If you just stop the jeep and it doesn't stop, what will you say?
11:36So in the House, what are the issues that should be tested and faced?
11:43If there is a case or a violation of the law.
11:46What's inside the House, what it means is,
11:50It's right, the contempt, the disrespect.
11:54Outside the camera.
11:56That's a different story.
11:58What she's talking about is not the members of the representatives.
12:02It's not in aid of legislation.
12:05She's going to come out with a grudge.
12:08It's not just against the members of the camera,
12:13if not against the sitting politicians or the sitting power.
12:18It's the choice of words.
12:21So if the choice of words is heard by more than two people,
12:27on purpose or not, and because of the proliferation of social media,
12:32you can file a libel.
12:35Because the libel was distributed or spread over a device,
12:45over social media, that's a cyber libel.
12:48Which means that it could be heard.
12:50And I think we've seen that it was heard all over the country,
12:55the world.
12:57Yes.
12:59Cyber libel because there are per se libelous people
13:02that she used words like,
13:05that she stole.
13:07Yes.
13:09So,
13:11libel is a false accusation that has no basis.
13:17It can be proven in the face of a case
13:21that the libel is not true.
13:23Okay.
13:24Or something like that.
13:26That's a different story.
13:27Because it depends on whether the president will demand a libel
13:31because he has a libel.
13:35I'm glad that the president is cool about the whole thing.
13:40He has a cool voice and manner.
13:44He doesn't shout.
13:46So you can see the difference in their character.
13:50Again, who is being supported by the Filipinos
13:56bearing in mind our culture?
13:58The underdog.
14:00That's why you should know our culture.
14:03The culture of the people in our islands.
14:097,100.
14:12Depending on high tide.
14:14High tide or low tide.
14:15Okay.
14:16So who is the underdog?
14:18Who is the earnest?
14:20How will you know?
14:22Reasonable?
14:23Something like that.
14:24How will you know?
14:26Correct.
14:27But it affects you when you see someone talking like that.
14:32But what Vice President Sara said,
14:35that it's not right,
14:37that's why the NBI said that it's a national security concern.
14:41Because she didn't just say anything to the speaker,
14:46to the president, to the first lady.
14:48She also had a proposal to commit murder
14:51but she said it's conditional revenge.
14:55And she also said that her father was a rebel
15:00and that it's not good to be a president.
15:03So is that a murder?
15:05Not just a simple libel but other violations of the law?
15:09That's a great threat that's why the NBI came in.
15:13The NBI is investigating cases
15:19to find out where their violations are true.
15:24I think, if I'm not mistaken,
15:27that's why the NBI came in.
15:29VP said that she already has people to talk to.
15:35Yes.
15:36Which means that she already has a plot in place.
15:40She already has people ready.
15:42She already has people ready to go.
15:44She just needs to say go or don't go.
15:47That's what the NBI is looking at.
15:49So that's the focus of their investigation.
15:53Not an investigation into the real crux of the matter
15:57which is the confidential funds.
15:59That's not it.
16:01Okay.
16:02So the next day, last Thursday,
16:05former President Duterte called on the soldiers
16:10in the Uniformed Services to intervene
16:12because he said that we have fragmented governance.
16:17What kind of case is this?
16:20Is this inciting to sedition?
16:22I think so.
16:24I think so.
16:25We know that if there are one, two, or three people
16:29who tell other people to fight the government,
16:33what does it mean to fight the government?
16:36To bring down the government.
16:38What does it mean to bring down the government?
16:40So that we don't have a government anymore.
16:42So that if we don't have a government,
16:44it's different to go in and lead.
16:47Okay, alright.
16:48It's just a mess.
16:49That's sedition and that's a violation of the Constitution.
16:53Alright.
16:54Now, it's unusual that both lawyers,
16:57Vice President Sara and former President Duterte,
17:00also have a proposal to have disbarment proceedings.
17:05Attorney Larry said that.
17:08It's simple.
17:10There was also a threat that he was disbarred.
17:13But it seems like the Integrated Bar of the Philippines
17:18is not ready to launch a disbarment proceedings.
17:21What do you think?
17:22Should they be disbarred by the canons or code of ethics
17:26of the lawyers, members of the bar and bench?
17:29If there is a complaint.
17:32And if there is a complaint,
17:35it can be a motu proprio.
17:37Motu proprio means the IBP itself.
17:39The IBP, the Integrated Bar of the Philippines,
17:42because they are the ones who control and lead
17:45the state of the lawyers.
17:48If you are a lawyer, not a lawyer.
17:51So, it can be a motu proprio by themselves
17:55or there are canons for the disbarment.
17:59And this will go through a hearing.
18:02Okay, alright.
18:03What is the impact of disbarment?
18:06Does it mean that you can't be a lawyer or a counsel?
18:11Does it mean that your professional standing as a lawyer is gone?
18:15What is the effect of that?
18:16Okay, I will answer that on two levels.
18:19While there is a disbarment,
18:21and the case is not proven that you are not disbarred,
18:25you are still a lawyer.
18:27A lot of people filed a disbarment case.
18:31Second, if you are disbarred,
18:34you are not a lawyer but no one can stop you from speaking.
18:39Even if you say that you are a lawyer,
18:42but not as a lawyer.
18:45And let's remember,
18:48a lot of our public officials are not lawyers.
18:54They have a lot of consultants who are lawyers
18:57who help them with validity or legal basis of what they say.
19:03But if it comes from the lawyer himself,
19:05that's a different story.
19:07If it comes from the lawyer himself,
19:09he does tasks or he follows obligations
19:16or he exercises his rights as a lawyer.
19:21And if that breaks the canons of legal ethics,
19:27we have canons of legal ethics,
19:29you can investigate and you are disbarred from being a lawyer.
19:36What does it mean if you are not a lawyer?
19:38You can't just sign up as a lawyer.
19:41I can still write anything I want in the pleadings
19:46and I may ask a lawyer to sign it.
19:52Now, you are a lawyer and vice president Sara
19:55and former president Duterte are also lawyers.
19:58What do you think of their statements?
20:04Sara, were they performing for the audience
20:07in that thinking as lawyers or rule of law or due process?
20:12That's a good question.
20:13Yes, I'm a lawyer.
20:15Not only that, I'm also a media practitioner.
20:17So yes, they were talking to an audience before mass media.
20:23Were they talking like lawyers?
20:25Lawyers don't talk that way to each other.
20:28More so, lawyers don't talk like that in front of the judge.
20:34You are the one who will be content if that's how you talk.
20:38So they were wearing two shoes.
20:42Two different pairs of shoes.
20:44I don't know, four feet.
20:47Meaning, assuming double tasks in what they were doing.
20:54So it can be two people who will listen to their case
21:00if they did something wrong.
21:02Alright.
21:03Now, you said that if vice president Sara is cool,
21:07and vice president BBM is cool,
21:09what are the options of vice president BBM or the government,
21:13mostly the house and the office of the president
21:17or any agency that will investigate?
21:20Impeachment, vice president BBM said, not yet.
21:23No, because it's not important.
21:27Confidential and intelligence funds,
21:29what is the case of impeachment?
21:34And if there is any other action that the government can take
21:40to have a resolution?
21:44Alright.
21:45BBM was right when he said not to do impeachment.
21:49Impeachment takes a long time.
21:51Maybe they are no longer in their positions,
21:54but there is still impeachment.
21:57So let's not do impeachment.
22:00And it's also right that one of the grounds for impeachment
22:03is misuse of confidential funds.
22:11It seems that BBM and his consultants understand
22:17the role of the media.
22:19That's why he's like that in front of the media, cool.
22:23The Filipino is for the underdog.
22:25We don't want people to say,
22:26you know, you're really like that.
22:29Filipinos are more like,
22:32yes, look at him, why is he like that?
22:35So you need to know the culture of your conversation.
22:39Alright.
22:40Then the way by which your communication
22:45or your information is communicated to the audience.
22:51Okay.
22:52But to be honest, the camp is very toxic.
22:56They are on opposite sides.
22:57And as you said earlier,
22:58the social media is amplifying the heat,
23:01the heat of the heart.
23:03There are people who are happy that the words
23:06and statements of Vice President Sara are like that.
23:09There are also people who are happy with the behavior
23:12or the acceptance of President BBM
23:14of those who are still cool.
23:17So how can that be settled?
23:19Because both sides have loyal, ardent,
23:24and really obstinate followers.
23:28You know, I don't think we can settle that.
23:31That's a mark of our democracy.
23:33That's a mark of our Bill of Rights.
23:37That's a mark of our pre-speech.
23:42Sometimes, the right to express oneself,
23:45the pre-speech, especially in the media,
23:48sometimes borders on abuse.
23:53We can't really control.
23:56For example, I mentioned this, it's a brand, Facebook.
24:00We can't control that.
24:02We can't control the branches.
24:06It's hard to control that,
24:09especially when it comes to other countries.
24:12If we look at the comments,
24:14there are so many from other countries.
24:16First, what do they know?
24:18Right?
24:19It's like they're watching a soap opera
24:21that's not theirs.
24:22And there are a lot of Filipinos
24:25from different parts of the country.
24:27So they themselves form opinions.
24:29They are our foreign workers,
24:32Filipinos abroad.
24:34They are the ones who will vote.
24:36If there are Filipinos,
24:40they will vote in the next election.
24:43That's why it's so important.
24:45To me, this is already a form of campaign.
24:49They say vote for.
24:51We already know that in a campaign,
24:53it's visibility and whether or not you are seen or heard
24:58on the media, more often than not,
25:00what is the message and what is the composure that they see.
25:04So this is also a campaign.
25:07But Attorney Rowy,
25:09the problem is, they say,
25:11it's a tricky situation,
25:13what we're facing.
25:14Alright?
25:15So if something happens,
25:17not to the President of the BBM,
25:19the Vice President comes in as the successor
25:22or the highest official of the land.
25:25But if there are pending cases,
25:27so grave threat,
25:28betrayal of the public trust,
25:30or misuse, abuse of public funds,
25:32confidential,
25:33how will it happen?
25:35What is the outlook in our country?
25:37Okay, this is the truth.
25:39If something happens to the BBM,
25:41hopefully it won't happen,
25:42he will be the next.
25:44It's the succession.
25:45We call it succession.
25:47And he will bring all of that.
25:50Correct.
25:51If there is an impeachment,
25:54or something happens to the President,
25:56who will be the President?
25:58It can happen.
26:00Right?
26:01Because if there are allies,
26:03there will be allies.
26:05If one is defeated,
26:06the Philippines will be the next.
26:08The next will be the Speaker of the House.
26:11Who will it be?
26:13Speaker Martin, if it's still him.
26:15Yes, that's it.
26:17Right?
26:18So it's the same.
26:20So our succession is all about
26:24this name politics.
26:26And I'm sorry to say,
26:27I will have to mention the term,
26:29our oligarchy.
26:31Correct.
26:33So it means that there will only be a round 2.
26:35If BBM is out of the picture,
26:38and Vice President Sara,
26:40Vice President Sara could take
26:42either conditional or unconditional revenge
26:45on the Dutertes.
26:49Yeah, and not only that,
26:52conventional revenge is usually seen as physical.
26:55It can be revenge that is not physical.
26:58Bombard, for example, social media.
27:01Bombard your LGUs.
27:04The LGUs, the local government units,
27:06are very, very important here.
27:08Who is the most important local government unit here
27:12that is there and has a connection to the people?
27:17The barangay,
27:18that we sometimes don't notice,
27:19it's just a barangay.
27:21It's the barangay that has a connection to the people.
27:24That kind of network is very important.
27:28And I don't know who among the two
27:32has established that kind of network
27:35that reaches the roots of the barangay.
27:38All right.
27:39Attorney Rowy,
27:40will elections be held in May 2025?
27:43The choices that our politicians
27:45and candidates have to make.
27:47So it's clear that Mindanao
27:49is supposedly a Duterte country.
27:52Duterte and their allies.
27:54Luzon North is basically Marcos country.
27:58But when it comes to elections,
28:00if you are a local government candidate,
28:02do you have to choose?
28:04Or do you have to weigh
28:06who you're going to vote for
28:08because you might lose?
28:11You know, I want to continue comparing.
28:14It's good that we're not like the American system,
28:17the electoral colleges.
28:18Correct.
28:19Correct.
28:20We are a popular vote.
28:22That's why the results of our elections are so long.
28:25Because it's not one-by-one.
28:27But there are some precincts.
28:30That's where the difference is.
28:32When we count,
28:34it's like we're counting the elections
28:37in elementary.
28:381, 2, 3, 4, 5.
28:401, 2, 3, 4, 5.
28:41It's hard to count that.
28:43But it's automated.
28:45It's automated.
28:48After that.
28:49Correct.
28:50Right?
28:51But,
28:52okay, we have a Filipino who has a very long ballot.
28:55Alota.
28:56Okay.
28:57Loto.
28:58Alota.
28:59It's a shade.
29:00It's like Loto.
29:01Correct.
29:02Can we read it?
29:03Can all Filipinos read?
29:05How many are professionally literate Filipinos?
29:11Okay.
29:12But ma'am,
29:13the question is actually,
29:14is this a front act
29:16for the May 2025 elections?
29:18Especially for the candidates,
29:20Senators,
29:21House of Representatives,
29:23and local governments.
29:25Do you need to vote
29:27in Campo Marcos
29:29or Campo Duterte?
29:31Filipinos need to choose
29:34who to vote for.
29:36That's how Filipinos are.
29:38It's hard for us to choose
29:41who to vote for.
29:43And then,
29:44who are they attached to?
29:46No.
29:47You won't win,
29:48unless you attach yourself
29:50or associate yourself
29:51with one or the other.
29:53And with whom will you associate yourself?
29:55Look at where that is.
29:57Right?
29:58Who's first?
29:59In surveys,
30:00that's important.
30:02In surveys,
30:03who's first in a place like this?
30:05Oh, I won't run first.
30:07I know a friend of mine
30:10who didn't run.
30:12But we know he'll win.
30:14He knows he'll win.
30:15He didn't run
30:17because he wanted to run
30:19and become number one.
30:21So, all throughout the time,
30:26he was there.
30:27He showed his face,
30:28he spoke,
30:29he was on TV, etc.
30:31And then,
30:32when it came to the end,
30:34he didn't run.
30:35He was already there
30:36in people's minds.
30:37So, in the next election,
30:39he was like,
30:40he was already number one.
30:42Of course, money is also important
30:44in a campaign.
30:45In Campo Marcos and Campo Duterte,
30:48is it clear where there's a little help
30:51for the campaign
30:52for our candidates?
30:54That's where the help
30:57from big corporations comes from.
31:00I also have a little knowledge
31:02about that.
31:03A big corporation
31:05will give equal help.
31:08All of it.
31:10So, that's what's happening.
31:12It's rare for me to see
31:14a person giving help
31:16all-in in one place.
31:18In one place.
31:20Yes.
31:23Playing their cards right.
31:26Because that's also a poker game.
31:28Because whoever wins,
31:29they're still okay.
31:31Yes.
31:32Whoever wins,
31:33remember, I gave.
31:35They'll forget about the loss.
31:38Atty. Rowy,
31:39what do you see
31:40as the possibilities
31:42for a ceasefire?
31:44Or a detente?
31:45Are there brokers of peace
31:49between the two camps?
31:51Or will it still be at it
31:53in May 2025?
31:55Or even longer?
31:57That's one.
31:58Where is it being done?
32:00Where are the many
32:03firearms that are not registered?
32:05Here in the Philippines.
32:06Why are they not registered?
32:08Because we make them.
32:10You don't have to buy them.
32:12There are many firearms
32:14that you have to buy
32:15before you can get them
32:16and register them.
32:18The Filipinos are good
32:19at making their own firearms.
32:21I think you know
32:22what kind of firearms those are
32:24and where they're made.
32:26You don't have to register them
32:27because they don't know
32:28that you have that.
32:30In this day and age,
32:32there are two powerful
32:34political blocs.
32:36It's like there are real issues
32:38that they're just fighting
32:40because this is for power,
32:43not just for issues.
32:45Do they still have the possibility
32:47of negotiation?
32:48Who can be the mediator?
32:50Or will there be a detente?
32:52Or a political ceasefire?
32:54It's like,
32:56our country is in chaos.
32:58It's Christmas.
32:59It's like they're just
33:01hugging the headlines
33:03and the airtime
33:05of their fights.
33:06Do you see a mediator?
33:08It's like this.
33:10We have a separation
33:11of church and state.
33:13But the role of the church
33:15will still be different
33:17because people are listening.
33:21Whether it's intimate or not,
33:24they're celebrating Tundingo
33:26whether it's intimate or not.
33:28They're listening.
33:31And we have parishes
33:35where the words of the priests
33:39in their sermons
33:42are about what's happening now.
33:44And there are also areas
33:46where other political thoughts
33:50are more dynamic and active.
33:54In my parish,
33:57the priests are very dynamic.
34:00And they're not afraid
34:02to speak about politics.
34:05They're not afraid to speak
34:07that if they go out,
34:08they'll be shot.
34:10Not all priests
34:12in all parishes are like that.
34:14So the church has a big role
34:17even though we know
34:18that there's a separation
34:19of church and state.
34:21Because no one will stop
34:22the churches or priests
34:24from saying,
34:25hey, that's politics.
34:27That's politics.
34:28That's not a discussion.
34:29It's the same.
34:31So the role is big,
34:33especially when they say
34:34if the situation is
34:35the center does not hold.
34:37They're fighting.
34:39Aside from the church,
34:41what role do you see
34:43or should the people
34:45look at
34:47in what's happening now?
34:49What should the people look at?
34:52Their own hearts and conscience.
34:55Which still has something
34:56to do with faith.
34:59Because our conscience
35:00depends on our beliefs.
35:02Our beliefs depend
35:04on how we were raised.
35:06And how we were raised
35:07depends on our own families.
35:10And if we look at the statistics,
35:13many of our countrymen
35:16don't know who their father is.
35:19And their families are separated.
35:22They're a fractured family.
35:24They're called a fractured government.
35:26Fractured family.
35:30So we need to look at
35:32the cornerstone of society.
35:37That's why I mentioned
35:39that the church's role is big.
35:41Not necessarily in politics,
35:43but also in nurturing
35:45the voters who will vote
35:47for the politicians.
35:49Okay.
35:50If you were to give advice,
35:52in the midst of all these
35:54bitter words,
35:57what should the people
35:59look at?
36:00You said, vote by values.
36:03Vote if we look at
36:05what's right or wrong.
36:07What should they look at?
36:09What does it...
36:10Why should we care?
36:11Why should we care about
36:12all these verbal intramurals?
36:16Two things.
36:18First, they should know
36:20their responsibilities.
36:22Second, their moral values.
36:24First, they should know
36:26their responsibilities.
36:28They might think they're just sitting there
36:30waiting for their allowances.
36:36They might want to look good.
36:38They might want to look pretty.
36:40They should know that.
36:42It's possible that they don't know.
36:45It's possible.
36:47However,
36:49they have consultants
36:51who know.
36:53It's important that
36:55they have friends.
36:57If they're true friends,
36:59they will help the country.
37:01So, you need to be surrounded
37:04by a group who knows
37:07what serving is
37:09and what governance is.
37:11Second, your morals.
37:13I don't know
37:15how we can look at ourselves.
37:18For one, it's moral to do this.
37:21For the other,
37:23it's not moral what you're doing.
37:24Because morality is something
37:26very subjective.
37:28Let's look at our hearts.
37:31What about the issues of the country?
37:33Joblessness, inflation.
37:35What are the sidelines
37:38of these two camps?
37:42I have a short story.
37:44A student called me
37:46at UP College of Law.
37:48His thesis is
37:50how to decongest Metro Manila.
37:53I asked him,
37:54what is your suggestion?
37:56Create jobs in the countryside.
37:58I asked him, what jobs?
38:00Everyone goes here to work.
38:02Even to clean.
38:05What are the people there?
38:07Do they own their lands?
38:09No.
38:10Do they till their own properties?
38:12No.
38:13Do they own their own properties?
38:15How much do they get?
38:16They don't have enough to eat.
38:18The system is so deep.
38:20Our ownership of lands.
38:23Why is everyone going to Metro Manila?
38:26If you notice,
38:27it was just Manila before.
38:29Metro Manila.
38:30Metro Manila has grown.
38:32Valenzuela is now Metro Manila.
38:34Santa Rosa is now Metro Manila.
38:36Alabang is now Metro Manila.
38:38Later, we won't be Philippines anymore.
38:41The whole Philippines is now Manila.
38:43Ms. Malu, you've been abroad several times.
38:46Welcome to the Philippines.
38:48No.
38:49Welcome to Manila.
38:50We are now approaching.
38:51You won't be able to hear the Philippines.
38:53What is the capital of the Philippines?
38:56What Philippines?
38:57Oh, you mean Manila.
39:00So, things are changing.
39:03The views,
39:04not just of our countrymen,
39:07not just of foreigners.
39:09Let's see.
39:11That's a big issue for me.
39:14Yes, that's a big issue for me.
39:17I love the Philippines.
39:18I would do anything for it.
39:20Alright.
39:21Let's talk about the endgame that you see.
39:24What is the bad, good, better endgame?
39:28Both for all the parties,
39:30as well as for the nation.
39:32To Vice President Sara,
39:33what is the endgame?
39:35The bad, the good,
39:37the ugly thing that could happen to her?
39:40Maybe what she predicted,
39:43or what she thought,
39:44or maybe her intelligence,
39:46might be true.
39:48We do not know.
39:49We do not know as much.
39:50Maybe there's a threat on her life.
39:52We do not know.
39:53On the other side,
39:55we also do not know
39:56if there are really threats on the life.
39:59It's easy to threaten.
40:01But we do not know whether those threats are real
40:04and whether the assassins
40:06that are supposed to be in place
40:08to watch out are for real.
40:10They make very good copies.
40:12They make good listening and reading.
40:18But we do not know if they're for real.
40:20Even now, Ms. Malung,
40:23we don't know if everything we say
40:26is true or not.
40:28I don't know if you're AI or not.
40:30Do you know that I'm AI?
40:32Right?
40:33That's how it is.
40:34I know Attorney Rowy Morales.
40:36Anyway, that's how he talks.
40:38So,
40:39what are the good, better, best options for her?
40:42Before the House,
40:44if ever there's an impeachment or other cases,
40:47before the NBI,
40:48and before the public in general?
40:50It's like,
40:53the community is a bit confused
40:55to like her,
40:56to not like her,
40:57to be happy with her,
40:58to be angry with her.
41:00So, what are the good, better, best options
41:02and game for Vice President Sara?
41:05Well, the best option for her?
41:08No.
41:09Maybe the best option for the Filipino people
41:11is to follow conscience.
41:13Alright.
41:14Which means?
41:15Which means,
41:16if you believe in her,
41:17vote for her.
41:18If you believe in Bongbong,
41:19vote for him.
41:21Why?
41:22If something happens,
41:24it's not Sara's fault,
41:25it's not Bongbong's fault,
41:26it's your fault.
41:28It's our fault
41:29that who is the one
41:31who's in the position
41:33of the people
41:34who are making decisions for us.
41:36Let's not say,
41:37it's because of you,
41:38it's because of me.
41:39That's my vote.
41:40I'm just one.
41:42I'm not.
41:43That's not right.
41:45But should she pipe down
41:47on the rhetoric,
41:48on the anger,
41:49on the cursing?
41:50Should she face the issues against her?
41:53Directly.
41:54Don't use tactics.
41:58Okay.
41:59Maybe she should continue
42:01with the way she talks
42:03because that's how she is.
42:05The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
42:08But on the second part,
42:12she should really learn to know
42:14and tone down
42:16because of the audience.
42:19Because of the audience,
42:20if she wants to win.
42:23If she wants to win,
42:24she should use her language
42:25to her advantage.
42:27Right?
42:28We've already mentioned
42:29that she knows a bit
42:31about the law,
42:33about our culture.
42:35And let us not forget,
42:36Davao is the largest city
42:38in the world.
42:41And now it's still largely
42:43Duterte territory.
42:45Yes.
42:47And when I say Davao
42:49is the largest city in territory,
42:51in area,
42:52in the world.
42:53In other words,
42:54you can fill that up
42:55with people
42:56from Davao as well.
42:58Alright.
42:59Davao has a lot of potential
43:01for good or for bad.
43:03Alright.
43:04It is a mini Philippines.
43:06Okay.
43:07Atty. Rowy,
43:08in BBM's opinion,
43:09what do you think
43:10is the good, better, best
43:11or good, bad, and ugly
43:13that can be her options
43:14and that she should do?
43:16For me,
43:17what she does is cool.
43:18That's all I saw.
43:19I didn't see everything.
43:21She doesn't use rhetoric
43:23and shout.
43:25She doesn't use rhetoric.
43:27What?
43:28She doesn't use rhetoric.
43:30Alright.
43:31She doesn't use rhetoric
43:32basically because
43:33Filipinos are for the underdog.
43:36So, her consultants
43:38and those around her
43:40studied the Filipino audience,
43:43the Filipino voters.
43:45But when the time comes,
43:47when it's too late,
43:48there,
43:49Marcos might do
43:51what her father did,
43:54which is the iron hand.
43:55Which at that point,
43:57you and I,
43:59we were jailed, right?
44:01So,
44:02we know
44:04what we argued
44:05when we were jailed.
44:07So, hopefully,
44:08it won't reach us.
44:10That's why she's really being shouted at
44:12to take the iron hand option.
44:15Of course,
44:16she's being shouted at.
44:17Who's shouting at her?
44:18Maybe,
44:19she's being shouted at
44:20because she's not Filipino.
44:21For the Congress,
44:23for the House of Representatives,
44:25because there were a lot of hearings.
44:27There were more than 12.
44:29Then,
44:30the Committee on Good Governance
44:31also had a lot of hearings.
44:34It was a failed effort
44:36to get Vice President Sara to talk.
44:38What are their
44:39good, better, best options?
44:41Endgame.
44:42Because there were a lot of hearings.
44:44Maybe,
44:45it won't end.
44:47No,
44:48it won't.
44:49Don't do it.
44:50Finish the hearings.
44:51Attend or not.
44:52We'll go on with our legislation
44:53that they want to do.
44:54Because what we can see is
44:56that the legislature,
44:59the House,
45:00wants to be the US?
45:03Don't do it.
45:04That's why people are sitting there
45:06not to say
45:08who's guilty or not guilty,
45:10not to help with the legislation.
45:12They don't want to go.
45:13Don't do it.
45:14We'll go on with our legislation.
45:16Okay.
45:17If you agree,
45:19what do you think
45:20what's really happening?
45:22Is this just
45:28verbal quarrels?
45:30Fighting politics?
45:32Who's in power?
45:33Because 2028 is
45:34about 4 years away.
45:36It's not 4 years away.
45:39Just 4 years.
45:41Right?
45:43And with 7,100 islands,
45:45how can we sweep
45:47all those 7,100 islands?
45:51One,
45:52not because of the number of people.
45:54Number two,
45:55they don't know their rights.
45:56They don't know
45:57that they need to vote
45:59for those in power.
46:01They need to vote
46:02for this,
46:03that, etc.
46:04They don't know a lot.
46:06So,
46:07that's one of the advocacies
46:10that there should be
46:12functional literacy
46:14for a lot of Filipinos.
46:16Alright.
46:17It's not just
46:18simple reading, writing, arithmetic.
46:20It's compute, correlate,
46:22critique, contrast.
46:24Functional literacy abilities.
46:27But they know how to use a computer.
46:30No, compute.
46:31I mean, do your numbers.
46:32It's not just a computer.
46:34Now,
46:35what can you say
46:37that should be done
46:39by Filipinos
46:41who are better
46:43in social media
46:45from the bleachers
46:46of radio, TV reports?
46:48What should we know
46:50and what should we stand for?
46:52If we're the ones watching,
46:54or we're the ones being watched.
46:56If we're the ones watching,
46:58then we should be more selective.
47:00Right?
47:02What's happening now
47:04is that when we're watching,
47:05even if it's news,
47:07even if it's a comment,
47:08even if it's about politics,
47:10and that,
47:11it becomes a drama.
47:12It becomes entertainment.
47:14Okay?
47:15But that's not a bad thing.
47:17Because we know
47:19that they want entertainment.
47:21If we want to put across a message,
47:23we can be entertaining.
47:25There's content.
47:27So again,
47:29knowing who your audience is
47:31and what you want to say to whom,
47:34let's use their likes
47:39so we can include
47:41what they should know.
47:43So they say
47:45that journalism should
47:47make the important interesting
47:49and the interesting relevant.
47:51The relevance of this fight
47:53is like gladiator part 2
47:55for us.
47:57Who's the handsome artist now?
47:59Russell Coe.
48:01Anyway,
48:02so that's what's happening.
48:04We're just watching the sidelines.
48:06Because it's okay.
48:08There's drama.
48:09I think this is a series
48:11that you don't know when it will end.
48:13But what's your role?
48:15What should you ask or demand?
48:18Not just in the media.
48:20I hope there's more content in the reports.
48:22May I beg to disagree.
48:25We're not just watching.
48:27When we're watching,
48:28our brains are also processing.
48:30Alright. Okay.
48:32So while our brains are processing,
48:34we are influenced
48:36by sometimes,
48:38subconsciously.
48:40And we know that,
48:42may I mention,
48:44that's how advertisements work.
48:46Some advertisements don't let you say,
48:48buy this because.
48:50They study
48:52their target market
48:54that's why within a few seconds,
48:56it's full but you don't know
48:58that it's already sold.
49:00That's also what we should do.
49:02And we have more time
49:04than them.
49:06We have more meat
49:08meaning content.
49:10We have more meaty content
49:12that we can share.
49:14Let's use our knowledge.
49:16Ms. Malul, you're an expert in mass media.
49:18Let's help
49:20so that our media colleagues
49:22will know
49:24how to put across
49:26the content
49:28that's confusing.
49:30You're not just a lawyer.
49:32You're a mass media expert
49:34because we're talking about marketing
49:36and techniques.
49:38But to be honest,
49:40if there are cases
49:42like disbarment,
49:44grave threats in the sub-period
49:46of the NBI, or impeachment,
49:48what do you think?
49:50How will all this play out?
49:52Because it will be more confusing
49:54to talk about.
49:56You know, because they're different.
49:58One is administrative,
50:00one is criminal,
50:02one is civil.
50:04They can proceed independently of each other.
50:06They won't say,
50:08because this is ongoing,
50:10stop it.
50:12They can all proceed independently.
50:14Even the hearings in the House.
50:16If they don't want to,
50:18stop it and make a law.
50:20In the court,
50:22if they don't want to appear,
50:24that's in contempt.
50:26That means
50:28we will make a decision based on the evidence
50:30and we can put you in jail
50:32because
50:34you didn't follow us.
50:36Administrative,
50:38we can remove you or suspend you
50:40from your position.
50:42Administrative hearings,
50:44that's for the ombudsman and the NBI.
50:46Civil cases,
50:48it can be related to three others
50:50or it can be separate.
50:52It can be independent civil action
50:54for what we call damages.
50:56So it's a big
50:58problem
51:00if someone will complain.
51:02If someone will complain,
51:04but it looks like they are ready to complain.
51:06The first statement of BBMSI was,
51:08I will fight this out.
51:10They said, we cannot take this sitting down.
51:12But the next day, they said,
51:14impeachment is not important at this stage.
51:16It looks like they are still preparing
51:18their strategy on how to handle this.
51:20What's clear is,
51:22in all of this,
51:24administrative, civil, criminal proceedings
51:26will be handled by
51:28the center of defense,
51:30Vice President Sara.
51:32Really?
51:34Yes, it's true.
51:36Will she survive this?
51:38I do not know.
51:40I don't know her character.
51:42I don't know the grit.
51:44She is very brave when she speaks.
51:46I don't know if the grit matches
51:48her integrity.
51:50She will need a lot of very good lawyers.
51:52She will need a lot of money
51:54to support the proceedings,
51:56the litigation.
51:58Do you think they are ready to
52:00handle their defense
52:02well and fairly?
52:04You know, Ms. Malu,
52:06there are a lot of lawyers
52:08who will not complain
52:10to defend her.
52:12There are also a lot of lawyers
52:14who will not complain
52:16to help
52:18put her in prison
52:20or
52:22put her in jail
52:24as a winner.
52:26Sometimes, they don't talk about money
52:28when it comes to lawyers.
52:30Why would they do it pro bono?
52:32Why not?
52:34Because let's say,
52:36when they win,
52:38there's always,
52:40ah, the pro bono is not exactly free.
52:42It's free during the proceedings.
52:44But for us Filipinos,
52:46when you win,
52:48you give a pro bono service,
52:50you pay me with bananas.
52:52That's how it is.
52:54I don't get paid with money
52:56if it's not bananas or chicken.
52:58It's still a payment.
53:02Now, how do you teach law students
53:04about what's happening?
53:06What's their appreciation?
53:08Because due process,
53:10rule of law,
53:12all of it largely trumped by politics
53:14and political intramurals.
53:16I hope some of my students
53:18are watching now,
53:20but I was really very, very, very
53:22surprised, negatively,
53:24that they don't know who Ferdinand
53:26Ederlin Marcos was.
53:28Hindi nila alam.
53:30They didn't know what martial law
53:32was about.
53:34They didn't know why we
53:36were arrested.
53:38So, history is what
53:40the writers say
53:42it will be in the land.
53:44So, ingat tayo.
53:46We are part of history now
53:48because we are recording this.
53:50It's about documenting it.
53:52When he became to power,
53:54apparently part of his agenda is actually
53:56the redemption of the Marcos family
53:58name. So, it looks like
54:00inuulit na yung mga politically branded
54:02programs na populist, pero he's avoiding
54:04human rights violations
54:06or even suggestions of cronyism.
54:08On the other hand, the Dutertes are
54:10seen as a family trying to hold on
54:12to wealth and privilege.
54:14So, parang, ano ho yung sa tingin ninyo?
54:16Which family is
54:18parang on the track to
54:20achieving their goals?
54:22Alam nyo, nakakalasing
54:24ang poder.
54:26Diba?
54:28Parang ano yan eh, makainom ka ng
54:30konteng, hindi ako umiinom, no?
54:32Umiinom ka ng ganyan,
54:34gusto mo ganyan, ganyan, ganyan.
54:36Hindi mo alam,
54:38nalasing ka ng gusto mo pa.
54:40So, like power.
54:42Sometimes when you have power,
54:44you want more. It's just like money.
54:46Power is a means
54:48by which money may be obtained.
54:50But it's a cycle.
54:52You also need money
54:54to have power.
54:56So, it's a
54:58cycle that we don't
55:00know where it starts.
55:02That's why meron tayong mga corruption.
55:04That's why meron tayong greed.
55:06Which I think
55:08also is part of human nature.
55:10But because we are an amalgam
55:14mixture, no?
55:18An amalgam of different cultures.
55:22The 7,100 islands
55:24has 48 dialects
55:26and languages.
55:28What?
55:30Ito ang ating pananalita ngayon, hindi English,
55:32hindi Tagalog. Taglish ba to? May
55:34Engalog na. Yan ang ngayon
55:36ang nagiging mainstream.
55:38Yan ang nagsasalita ng English lang
55:40o Tagalog lang
55:42o Filipino lang. But that is not
55:44saying it's bad.
55:46Language is a means to communicate.
55:48And let us communicate that.
55:50Let us communicate what we want
55:52to communicate by the means that we know.
55:54Alright.
55:56Yan ang ginagawa mo, Miss Malou.
55:58Saludo ako sa'yo.
56:00Sa huli,
56:02Court of Public Opinion, Court of Law,
56:04doon lilitisin, ano, yung mga
56:06nasambit na at pinag-awayan.
56:08Pero, posible din bang
56:10mapunta sa korte ng kalsada?
56:12Halimbawa, may panawagan na mag-people
56:14power. Sa tingin ninyo,
56:16pupunta doon itong
56:18bangaya na to?
56:20Alam mo, hindi ko sigurado.
56:22Kaya tayo nag-people power noon.
56:24Remember, walang social
56:26media
56:28na nagsasabi. Doon natin
56:30sa EDSA, naalaman to
56:32ano nangyayari. Doon
56:34natin sa EDSA, naalaman
56:36kung ano ito o ano yan.
56:38Doon na-thresh out
56:40yung mga issues.
56:42Doon natin naalaman kung ganito nga ba
56:44o ganito o totoo nga ba.
56:46We don't even know even then.
56:48Kasi we were having a party.
56:50Mga nangunood sa amin.
56:52Noong nag-EDSA kami,
56:54parang kaming nasa party.
56:56Deba?
57:00Masayahin talaga
57:02sa mga Pinoy.
57:04Naglalaban tayo, sumisikot tayo,
57:06natutulat tayo ng tangke, sinasagasaan tayo,
57:08binabaril tayo.
57:10Pero nakangiti tayo. May dala nga tayong baon.
57:12Deba?
57:14At naalala mo yung mga
57:16madre na nagbibigay
57:18ng mga bulaklak sa mga tangke
57:20at sa mga sundalo. Pinoy yun eh.
57:22That's so Pinoy. And yet we won it.
57:24But it was not bloody.
57:26So not all revolutions are bloody.
57:28Our revolutions
57:30are a change, a very complete change.
57:32It's 180 degrees.
57:36So, kaya ba natin
57:38ngayon yan?
57:40With social media, I am not sure.
57:42Kasi doon na nabibent.
57:44Nag-EDSA
57:46people power tayo. Kasi doon natin
57:48binent yung ating kalooban.
57:50Ngayon, sa social media na natin
57:52binibent. Ang problema nito,
57:54sino nakikinig?
57:56Nade-discongest yung init. Ano po?
57:58Ay, yes.
58:00At nade-delete.
58:04Nagkakaroon ng anak-anak na kung ano-ano
58:06pang mga kwento na maaring
58:08totoo, maaring hindi totoo, sabi-sabi
58:10lang. Alright.
58:12Maraming maraming salamat po,
58:14Professor Rowena
58:16Evelyn Daroy Morales.
58:18Panoorin niyo po natin din siya sa kanyang
58:20programa sa GMA.
58:22Sana ho sabay-sabay tayo magbantay,
58:24magsuri, at hindi
58:26lang manuod ng drama.
58:28Alamin natin kung ano yung
58:30pwedeng puntahan pa nito, at sana
58:32hindi maging mas bayonente
58:34ang kagibinas natin.
58:36Maraming salamat, Prof. Rowy.
58:38Maraming salamat. Maging lagi tayong
58:40mulat.