Diosdado Cabello, Venezuela’s Minister of Interior, Justice & Peace offers a press conference regarding a seize of weaponry belonging to terrorist gangs that will threaten the peace of the Venezuelan people. teleSUR
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00:00are active still.
00:03So we got here to this investigation
00:05so today we can tell the country about a first stage.
00:09We say about a first stage because you
00:11know that when we inform here, there
00:14are things that we can say and others that we cannot say yet,
00:17that cannot be told yet because they are being developed right
00:20now.
00:21For example, people that are fully identified
00:26but have not been detained yet.
00:28In this operation that we began in the Zulia state,
00:40don't move the image.
00:48So the operation is here.
00:51The operation's name is Not to Christmas.
00:55It's the same plot line as always.
00:57There will be no Christmas in Venezuela.
01:00And a citizen, a businessman comes
01:01into play whose name is Jose Enrique Rincon,
01:07the owner of several companies in the Zulia state,
01:11especially in the shrimping area,
01:13in the agricultural area, who together
01:17with his sons, Juan Diego and Jose Enrique,
01:24they have strong links with opposition sectors
01:28from a very long time.
01:32He's a person that one little by little
01:34gets to know the power that he has created around
01:39the management of wealth, of money.
01:43Every time that there was a change in officials
01:48in the Zulia state, this man and emissary was sent.
01:54And the process of recruiting began.
01:58And that's how they have recruited military judges
02:02and other people into this operation.
02:05This man, Jose Rincon, is not currently in the country.
02:08And why he's not in the country?
02:10Well, somehow, when we began the investigation
02:14in the archival state, they thought
02:19they could be implicated.
02:22That's why he left with one of his sons abroad.
02:26So being abroad amidst this investigation,
02:29he just had a health issue, neurism.
02:32And he's currently in a delicate health situation
02:35due to, we think, the stress of the situation.
02:40For this reason, his other sons that remain here also left.
02:43And they are all currently in Spain.
02:47The phones that they are using are located in Spain.
02:52And they have direct links with Ivan Simonov.
03:00Again, with terrorist Maria Corina Machado,
03:03with Tomas Guanipa, with Juan Pablo Guanipas.
03:09And other people that we have them here, journalists,
03:14lawyers.
03:21All these, we want to tell you that they are identified.
03:24But I won't say the names so that they
03:30won't have a head start to flee.
03:34I say these other ones because they are already
03:36known in several conspiracy activities.
03:39Also, the man has restaurants, different places
03:43where he invites people over.
03:48They have carried out meetings in those places.
03:51They've participated with military personnel.
03:54They are all identified.
03:56But they are not still detained and in control
04:03of the judicial area.
04:04But why could we think this?
04:07Why are they doing this in the judicial process?
04:10So that's where the detainee comes in,
04:13the plans in the prisons.
04:17And part of the plan was to keep people
04:23detained in different prisons with explosives and weapons.
04:32And I have to say that they all had a network in three
04:36other states in Venezuela.
04:38So we are acting in every single one of those states.
04:41They were detained.
04:43Pedro Velasco Prieto, who was the president
04:45of the judicial circuit of Zulia.
04:49Maurelia Vils Prieto, also another judge from Zulia.
04:55Mario Plaza Hernandez, also another judge from Zulia.
04:59Francisco Javier Urdaneta, a prosecutor
05:02of the public ministry.
05:05Jose Gregorio Rendon, a higher prosecutor of the Zulia state.
05:11And around them, different links with opposition leaders
05:19from the party First Justice, mainly.
05:21So two facts could be intertwined here,
05:32the plot of conspiracy.
05:35And so we are going over the conspiracy plot
05:40to overthrow the government.
05:42So we can see over here a group of weapons
05:45of different calibers.
05:52Six Colombian rifles.
05:57We have an M4.
05:59We have eight AK-47.
06:05There are six M16 rifles of US manufacturer.
06:11A grenade launcher with 10 grenades, a Glock.
06:17Sights, drones, that they use.
06:24They were going to use this drone for the observation.
06:26Why?
06:29Where were these located?
06:33So within the investigation, we have the location.
06:36We learned about the location of an area
06:38where training was being carried out
06:40for Colombian paramilitaries.
06:45Linked with the same figures that
06:48took part in Hedion, who are ones
06:52to know the names of Hedion.
06:54You can just check the facts of the paramilitary groups.
06:59Who trained them?
07:00Where they were trained?
07:04They had this location for training.
07:06We got there.
07:08When we arrived amidst the operation,
07:12we began to go over the place, and we
07:15found all this weaponry that was likely just
07:20a part of what was there for the training purposes.
07:26They've said that rain, in their talks,
07:29that rain helped the government.
07:33No, the rain helped them, not us.
07:37The rain that was pouring down in the Zulia state,
07:42it made it impossible for us to arrive to the place
07:45where we wanted to, but we will get there eventually.
07:50These armaments, they are even rifles from the Colombian army.
07:58Very likely stolen by these paramilitary groups.
08:02Stolen by these terrorist groups.
08:05Now look at the following.
08:08In their talks, in the meetings they have had,
08:11I have it here.
08:13My summary, they say that in terms
08:20of the decommissioned weapons, it was a strong hit.
08:26The issue of the commissioned weaponry
08:30is a major casualties for us.
08:33When we announced that the weapons had
08:35been decommissioned, they got in touch
08:40to see how they did with Sino-Navis,
08:41and he said that he was close to a rifle from Colombia,
08:46grenades and explosives that Mr. Rincon was going to handle.
08:51So a few days ago, there was an explosion of a grenade
08:56in the Zulia state, and the explosion of those grenades
09:02is linked with this plot.
09:05Grenades that were badly manipulated, handled,
09:10and an explosion where the authorities, the corrupt judges,
09:15the different authorities of the police force
09:17over there that take part are in the payroll of Mr. Rincon.
09:21They cover everything to make it look like an attack.
09:24And no, it was not an attack.
09:26It was a mishandling of the grenades.
09:31All this was received by Mr. Rincon.
09:34It's a business holding of over 90 companies in the Zulia
09:40state, so very likely people in Zulia,
09:43and they know who this guy is.
09:45And also, now they know that everyone
09:49knows that this man had ill intent.
09:52And they know that this man had ill intent.
09:57I want to make it clear, well, in the race
10:00that we are making, this is in full development.
10:03For us to do this, we have sent officials only from Caracas.
10:11There is not a single official from Zulia state
10:14taking part in the operation.
10:20They didn't send a single official from Zulia state.
10:23They didn't even go on a plane.
10:25We sent them on a car with a lot of anticipation.
10:28We installed them there in the Zulia state,
10:31because when we began to investigate the case,
10:35we realized that the state was plagued by corruption.
10:40Everything financed, sponsored by Mr. Rincon,
10:43everything controlled by him.
10:45So just a few days ago, without any information,
10:51we know that he, in a way, had contact with officials
10:55along the country, alongside the country.
10:59So a few days ago, I received a message from a lieutenant
11:03that he asked for authorization to investigate these companies.
11:07And they told him no, that that man was untouchable.
11:13An anti-drug lieutenant.
11:15Today, the sponsor of the terrorist groups
11:22that are led by Maria Corina Machado,
11:27all the money comes from drug trafficking.
11:32And the main sustenance sponsor in the Colombian paramilitary
11:40groups led by Uribe and Duque.
11:44They continue to attack our country.
11:47And we will continue to stand firm,
11:49defending revolution, our territory,
11:52and above all, defending our people.
11:58These people have no value at all.
12:00It has been shown, demonstrated.
12:02We go to the states, a new law was
12:05approved to harm the country.
12:07And they come out, and they celebrate this.
12:10And it's not enough.
12:12If there were election tomorrow, they
12:14would say that they would take part in the election.
12:16And then they would say fraud, and then we'll
12:18be back again from the beginning.
12:20But in the meantime, they continue
12:22in their conspiracy plans, and the attacks against our people.
12:28Here it says, Jose Enrique Rincon,
12:40they are training paramilitary to attack main objectives,
12:46power stations, oil stations, and to carry out
12:50strong sabotage operations.
12:53So they are training Colombian parliamentary for this.
12:59And this man, Rincon, he surrendered his ranch,
13:07his states, his business, to have control over all this.
13:12But better say he had control, because the law
13:15and constitution have acted, and legality has acted.
13:19And above all, the Venezuelan government
13:25has acted in the name of peace.
13:28What was the main objective?
13:30Well, they talked in their conversations
13:37that we managed to get, because we have their phones,
13:43we have their laptops, following the raids,
13:47we have USB drive, we have the operation map of everything
13:53that they wanted to do.
13:55And at all costs, they had to prevent
14:01that the recently elected power were legitimized
14:04before the National Assembly.
14:07Of course, the strike that we gave them,
14:10taking away their weapons, it paralyzed them,
14:14and they could not organize.
14:17Today, the groups that were led by the Tren de Aragua,
14:29they tried to meet in Colombia.
14:32And you saw that in those days, there
14:34was a man detained over there in Colombia.
14:38They were heading towards a meeting
14:42to plan the attacks, together with the far right opposition
14:51sectors, these terrorist groups that
14:53are led by Marina Corina Machado.
14:59They went over the line.
15:01They went over what is morally permissible.
15:09The only thing that is missing for them
15:11is to openly declare themselves.
15:17And I say this, the leaders, because they're already
15:20using paramilitary groups in Colombia and delinquent groups
15:24here in Colombia.
15:24When I was telling you about the judges in three states,
15:29plus all these people that have been convicted in prisons,
15:34it all has to do.
15:37It's all related.
15:38As you have seen in the press, when this man was detained,
15:46and they acted in peril, their corruption.
15:50I'm talking about the judges.
15:52They acted in corruption and conspiracy.
15:56I believe that today, the Venezuelan state is not
15:59the one that has taken the lead in full development.
16:05Right now, right in this moment,
16:09raids are being carried out against other companies.
16:11More weapons have been found.
16:14More information has been discovered.
16:16More links have been discovered with the Venezuelan opposition.
16:20Tomorrow, they will say that it's all a lie.
16:23They will continue to say that it's all a lie,
16:26but we will continue working to preserve peace.
16:30We won't allow them anything.
16:32They went over the line of politics,
16:36and they are planning violent acts against our people.
16:41So I wanted to inform this to the whole country.
16:44And the world has to know that in Venezuela,
16:48fascism will not be able to triumph.
16:51Every time that we have the opportunity, we will act.
16:54Look, in the training center that they
16:56had, those attacks that were planned against oil
17:00installations and power stations,
17:02now they're going to begin using the drones with explosives.
17:06And they're training a group of people.
17:13I could not say, but they have objectives
17:21on figures of the Bolivarian revolution
17:26to kill them, to assassinate them,
17:29as part of this plan of violence.
17:37What is most important is not the life of one and another,
17:40but what is most important is the peace and tranquility
17:43of this country.
17:44And it has to do with taking care of all of us.
17:47So if anyone has a question.
17:52First question from Venezuelan television.
17:57Minister, this operation has the name No to Christmas,
18:03their name, the training of paramilitaries.
18:07The question is if this operation has some kind of link
18:12with the recent facts that have been denounced
18:14by the Venezuelan authorities of attacks against PDVSA
18:19infrastructure, pointing out Eric Prince, a US mercenary,
18:23and also opposition figure, Marina Corina Machado.
18:27How are the investigations going on this fact?
18:30If this operation has some kind of relations
18:33with the attack against the infrastructures of oil
18:36industries?
18:38Yes.
18:41We'll go over again.
18:44This is an investigation.
18:48Several days have been going on now.
18:52Parliamentary training with main objectives,
18:55power stations, oil stations, and strong sabotage operations.
19:08It's important that our people know and are clear
19:12that behind this plan, they began
19:19attacking in their Zulia state.
19:22And over there is the main Marina Corina Machado.
19:25They detained.
19:26They talk very clearly, their communications
19:29and constant contact with Ivan Sibonovic.
19:33That Ivan Sibonovic is the one that was giving them
19:36the objectives, the directions.
19:40They talked with this man, with Rincon,
19:45about delivery of 20 million euros
19:47for the payment of operations right now.
19:55Those that have been detained are saying,
20:00if Sibonovic is present, his friend Eric Prince
20:03has to be there, too, because he said they're close friends.
20:07As Sibonovic has said and openly said,
20:09that behind all these actions is Marina Corina Machado.
20:14Sibonovic is the one saying this.
20:15It's not me.
20:19I just repeat what he says.
20:22Link, of course.
20:24It's all linked.
20:25That's why we are here, to say this.
20:28When we present here a citizen of US origin
20:33that came supposedly on vacation,
20:35but his tourism was to take pictures of oil installations
20:40and power stations, some people laugh.
20:47To go there, some people laugh about this.
20:50Why?
20:51Why have most of them gone to the Amazon state?
21:00It's just a question.
21:02Why have we captured so many mercenaries in the Amazon
21:05state?
21:05Because their main income is drug trafficking.
21:10Their source of financing is drug trafficking.
21:13And they wanted to take over the Amazon state.
21:16We have not said this, but like three days, four days ago,
21:20I think Elijo is the one that reported it,
21:23over 5,000 kilograms of drugs were confiscated
21:29in the Amazon state.
21:31That's their main source of income, drug trafficking.
21:34That's why they go there.
21:35That's where they get paid.
21:38That's where they get in contact.
21:41They come through the Colombian border.
21:45So when we see what happened in the east in a gas station,
21:52highly calculated, well-planned.
21:54Because once they attack this place, look.
21:57Because we work tirelessly, and sometimes we
22:01don't say a thing.
22:04But what happened in the east had occurred.
22:08And the ELC was over there with all the workers.
22:11The oil workers were over there.
22:12They were not sleeping.
22:13And they attacked Falcón.
22:16Gas.
22:18Another gas installation in Falcón.
22:23Just one day after.
22:28So that we realize that this is a plan.
22:29And it's a plan to hurt the country.
22:34Today, the country is hit with light
22:38because of Marina Corina Machado,
22:41because of their hero, Eric Prince,
22:44due to the mercenaries of the terrorists.
22:47And we go every day working tirelessly.
22:55Sometimes we don't say things so that we don't trigger alarms
23:00to our people.
23:04If they will not rest, Nero will win.
23:06And we will defeat them.
23:08Be certain that terrorists will not be able to win.
23:12Peace is the only one that is going to triumph.
23:14And I have no doubt that everything is linked.
23:19And they are heading this operation.
23:22And behind this operation is the continuation
23:24of the operation, where the mercenaries that
23:27were contracted by the Spanish intelligence agency,
23:31and by the CIA, and by the DEA, they are all linked.
23:34Why in the US they don't open an investigation against Prince?
23:39Can a country from here, from Venezuela, say a citizen,
23:42I go there to collect money, to overthrow a money without?
23:48Can someone in Venezuela say this and nothing will happen?
23:52Why does that happen in US territory?
23:56Because they are behind it.
23:58They are behind all of this.
23:59This is an operation with that same framework,
24:04and that same activity denounced by us.
24:07Mercenaries, drug trafficking, arms trafficking.
24:11That's why DEA is operating.
24:13Because the DEA is the biggest drug trafficking cartel.
24:17That's why Ribes is there.
24:19It's Dukas as well.
24:22It's the same scheme as the US.
24:25Same scheme as Hedion was.
24:31Where's Goldman, the mercenary?
24:33Was that his name?
24:34Woodrow.
24:36Where is he?
24:37Why?
24:37Because after he was in prison, they release him,
24:40and no one knows where he is.
24:48Second question, Madeline Garcia, TELESUR.
24:51Well, I was going to ask you pretty much the same.
24:54If this was all related to the mercenaries,
24:57if there are more foreign mercenaries,
24:59the vice president talked about one
25:01of those that took part in the attack on the gas station.
25:07He was a foreigner that he had fled, and that there were more.
25:12I wanted to ask that.
25:13And from here, Maria Corina has spoken
25:17that it could be before, during, or after from the appointment
25:23that this operation is going to continue.
25:25Is there any conversation with the petro-government
25:28to be able to disarticulate these operations
25:31if the headquarters are over there in Colombia?
25:36Well, not only the petro-government,
25:39but also the US, the US government,
25:42the main source.
25:45Also in Ecuador, people are being trained.
25:50Ecuador has training stations as well.
25:52We have the coordinates.
25:54We have the locations.
25:56We have everyone that is behind this.
25:59If Sivanov is also here, he was going over there,
26:01and he didn't go at the end.
26:04He later sent another person.
26:06You probably know who he is, Niendo Quintero.
26:08And they have training center in Ecuador.
26:09And Ecuador is working and is operating
26:13a government that is completely surrendered to US imperialism,
26:18but also to fascism.
26:22And they operate from Miami.
26:26Where are the weapons coming from?
26:27From the US.
26:31Where are the explosives coming from?
26:33From the US.
26:35It's not only Colombia.
26:37Of course, with the Colombia government,
26:40you listen to the President Petro
26:43when he was talking about the person related
26:46to the train at Agua.
26:48It was in coordination with Venezuelan authorities.
26:50Well, there it is.
26:52Unfortunately, that operation was meant to capture,
26:54like, 15 people in Colombia, and we only managed to get one.
26:59There were more, of course.
27:01It was a meeting in Colombia, in the border.
27:12I cannot say the place where he was apprehended.
27:17The coordinate, everything was given,
27:19and only one was able to be caught.
27:23The same president says that it was in coordination
27:26with Venezuelan authorities.
27:27And of course, what happens in Venezuela
27:30affects Colombia, and what happens in Colombia
27:33affects Venezuela.
27:35There's not an issue in terms of coordination.
27:38Unfortunately, just as it happens in the Zulia state,
27:42there are different authority levels
27:44that are linked with terrorism.
27:46In this case, with Mr. Rincon, in Colombia, it's the same.
27:53Third and last question, Elijio Rojas, Ultimas Noticias.
28:01To understand a bit the dimension of this operation
28:06that you used the nouns, Operation Not to Christmas,
28:12it has a code name, DLV Delta, Echo, Lima.
28:20What's B?
28:24Victor.
28:25Delta, Echo, Lima, Victor, 27.
28:31That's the code name that they have among them.
28:34But they express Not to Christmas.
28:38But the code that they use to communicate is this.
28:42So if you get a message like this, you are involved in this.
28:49So to understand some details on the dimension of this operation
28:52as I was saying, we would like to know some details.
28:58Like, for example, how many businessmen from Zulia
29:01and these other three states are currently detained.
29:05Second, the hierarchy of the military that take part,
29:12and how many military are detained.
29:16Their ranks, the situation, if they are active or reserved.
29:22And finally, these people, for example,
29:26the operators of the justice system,
29:29the president of the Zulia circuit state,
29:34and some judges of the appeal court,
29:37did they act individually, or they
29:40have some boss above them, independently
29:42from the businessmen that I think
29:46are the ones leading, in this occasion,
29:48these type of operations.
29:53But coming from the justice system,
29:55is there someone else above them that
30:01could be compromising these operations?
30:03Thank you very much.
30:07In the case, I will begin with the last question.
30:10I won't say a thing, but there will be signs.
30:13There will be signs.
30:17Unfortunately, I cannot go beyond what I've already said.
30:25Because they are currently providing statements,
30:28and there are names coming up.
30:32Just a statement of one person is not enough
30:34for a serious investigation.
30:36For example, they can say, Eligio,
30:38but we won't act directly, because we have
30:41to corroborate that information.
30:43They are all going through the different polygraphs
30:47to check the information.
30:50I want to tell you, they are all here in Caracas.
30:53This group that has been detained, why are here?
30:57The same reason than the Zulia state.
31:00The investigation is going to be carried out here.
31:02And yes, unfortunately, when you begin to pull the thread,
31:10there are many denunciations of the participation
31:14of several judges, more related with corruption,
31:17facts, than with this one.
31:24Without doubt, we have committed mistakes.
31:30And when I say we, I mean the state as a general.
31:35Sometimes we appoint a person, and we left them alone.
31:39So some go corrupt.
31:41Usually, corruption is linked to a criminal record.
31:45Corruption is linked to treason,
31:49because corruption links with different stages,
31:52with the characteristics.
31:56I'm looking for money, too, for the conspiracy acts,
32:02because I'm going to be forgiven them.
32:04Because what I did was to get money, case of Fedevesa,
32:09from Rafael Mamiri all the way downwards.
32:13I'm only looking for money for the conspiracy,
32:15so I should be forgiven.
32:21Over $100,000 were found on a judge and the prosecutor
32:26as well.
32:27They say it was to pay, to carry out payments.
32:36Unfortunately, I cannot tell you,
32:38because our colleague provided statements.
32:40We are corroborating the information.
32:42We are doing all the corresponding serious work.
32:44And all those that are being pointed out
32:48and that they have the proof, it's going to be detained.
32:51And I cannot give names, because that will put them on alert,
32:56and they will flee the country.
32:58In terms with the military, it's the same.
33:00We have one detained, mentioned by them
33:05to have participated in certain meetings.
33:07We have the testimony of several people
33:12that now come and say what happened in the Sula state,
33:17or what happens, because we are still
33:19dismantling that operation.
33:27And regarding the businessmen, high-ranking militaries,
33:37there's a mix.
33:45These companies, if you see the company as a whole,
33:48they are successful companies.
33:50The greatest shrimp company of Zulia and Venezuela,
33:54the biggest, over 6,000 employees, but always money,
34:03once more money, privileges, power, power.
34:13I always tell the story of Marcel O'Neill,
34:18that you are head on.
34:20Once we gather with Commander Chavez, with all them,
34:24the owner of the media, and we would ask them,
34:31have you had bad business with this government?
34:34And they would say, no, we've never had better times.
34:39We've never had bank fraud.
34:40We have not been intervened.
34:42So I would ask, what's the problem?
34:43I would say, well, the issue is that when I go out before,
34:51out of Venezuela, I will call the Minister of Justice
34:55and leave him coming in.
34:58And the minister will designate a commission,
35:00and then they will wait for me in the airport.
35:03And I was like, now.
35:07And he will say, in a moment of honesty,
35:16now I call the minister, and not even the secretary
35:19is going to pick up the phone.
35:21So it's an issue of privileges.
35:23You have a company that is strong, that is working.
35:27What is your need to go into the conspiracy,
35:33the ambition of privileges?
35:35And yes, they are all businessmen.
35:37This man is not working alone.
35:40And there are several others from Zulia and other states.
35:48Because this had to do with collecting money and receive
35:51money, and work as a middleman for these operations.
35:56The logistics of the training, the parliamentary,
35:59is on the top of this person.
36:02The location is on the top of this person.
36:06You know that Colombia, with border Zulia, is a river.
36:13You can cross.
36:15On one side, you have the Colombian side, 80 meters.
36:19And then you're on the Venezuelan side.
36:21And they use that way, not to flee, but to hide.
36:36When someone informs of the operation,
36:38they immediately go.
36:39They have drones in all of these areas.
36:42So do we, fortunately.
36:47And I will tell you, ours have better sights.
36:55I guarantee that, that our drones have better sights.
37:00At longer distance, higher heights.
37:02And can do things that yours don't.
37:05And I won't say no more.
37:07Because we're going to face these people with all
37:10the strength of the state, with all the strength.
37:14These people do not love Venezuela.
37:17These people want to surrender Venezuela to the US imperialism
37:21and to all its allies.
37:25These people already negotiated Venezuela.
37:27They already traded Venezuela a long time ago.
37:30And what is happening now is an issue of payment.
37:36I have a counsel for them.
37:42Take it if you want.
37:44If you're a businessman, remain a businessman.
37:47Don't go into conspiracy.
37:49It's not in your best benefit.
37:52Go to work.
37:54There are people that have called.
37:57The vice president told me that she received a call
38:00that some people were asking.
38:02Some people were surprised, saying, I knew it.
38:07That they were into something.
38:11When this happens, one sees a person
38:14that has these companies.
38:16It's ambition.
38:17It's nothing else.
38:18It's all about privileges, power,
38:22to be able to decide and to be able to rule over judges.
38:29That's why they have power over state institutions and judges
38:33and police.
38:38They take them to the restaurants.
38:40They treat them.
38:44And I can imagine this.
38:45I was in Zulia a few time ago.
38:50And no one came close.
38:51But I imagined it like that.
38:54So when arrives, look, I know you're
38:56going to have issues in this day.
38:58Here you go, a car.
39:01After they get the car, comes from the demon of corruption
39:07on that official.
39:10After the car, comes something else.
39:13You are in a running down hotel.
39:15Here is this house for you.
39:17Little by little, they dominate and control them.
39:19And they will never touch that person.
39:22Privileges.
39:27Very likely that man was not thinking
39:30about the privileges of Zulia State,
39:32but more of all the country when he's
39:35involved in these terrorist actions against its own people.
39:39And justice is going to act, no matter
39:41what his name or her name is.
39:44No matter what you do, justice will act
39:48and will always come knocking.
39:51Thank you very much.
39:54Thank you very much for your presence here.
39:56And I ask that you help us to spread this news.
40:01Because the Venezuelan people has
40:02to have clear information of what has been said here today.
40:06Thank you very much.
40:13Well, we hardly have any serious statistics
40:16on legal issues in this country, let alone
40:19illegal issues and clandestine issues.
40:21But yes, what people usually do is
40:24they burn a swath of forest or jungles and then say, well,