Chet Sandhu is a former smuggler. He estimates that he trafficked over $50 million worth of illegal steroids. In the mid-1990s, Sandhu operated a steroid-trafficking network that sourced its supply from Karachi, Pakistan, and transported it via routes including the Netherlands, France, and Spain to the United Kingdom by bribing airport security. He was arrested during a smuggling run and sentenced to 4 ½ years in the Fontcalent correctional facility in Alicante, Spain, one of Europe’s most infamous prisons.
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00:00My name is Chet Sandhu, a.k.a. the King of Karachi.
00:03I smuggled roughly $50 million worth of illegal steroids
00:08from Pakistan into Europe.
00:10This is how crime works.
00:14There's about a million people in the UK that use steroids.
00:18It was just like a money-making machine for me.
00:20If you go to a doctor for it, they won't give you that.
00:23So you have to go illegally.
00:25So smuggling, bringing it in, that was the only option.
00:28I was bringing in by large amounts because the need for it, the demand was massive.
00:39There are steroids in the UK that can be prescribed by a doctor,
00:44but they will give you a minute amount.
00:45But if you want to import, sell, do anything else with them,
00:49give them to other people, that's totally illegal.
00:52That comes in a conspiracy to supply drugs.
00:56Well, the first time I started to sell steroids was probably about 1994.
01:00I was working as door security in a bar in Newcastle.
01:05And then that's where I got to know people in the gym,
01:08people, the doorman, the security, they all want to be big.
01:12They were all taking steroids.
01:13And people wanted the proper sauce.
01:16They wanted the real deal.
01:17I thought, OK, this is what they want.
01:19And there's a niche in the market here because there's a lot of people
01:22that couldn't even get their hands on it.
01:25I had to go to the source and that was to Karachi
01:28because that was the address on the label of the box that I used to buy in England.
01:32The Karachi scale probably started from about 96, 97.
01:37I'm Indian, so I need a visa to go to Pakistan.
01:40We'd go there for a week and we would source the drugs somehow
01:43and we would bring them back.
01:44So we travelled there, booked into a hotel,
01:48but there's prostitutes were there, yeah, on the eighth floor where we were staying.
01:53And I used to talk to them and they said,
01:54what you need to do is go to this marketplace.
01:56But these people have links with Al-Qaeda, Taliban, the police.
02:01They're all paid off, they all get a bit of the money,
02:04so they're allowed to move drugs in them, large amounts.
02:08So I went to the shop.
02:12There was just like a market stall shop.
02:14There was two guys outside with shotguns.
02:18And I thought, this is quite strange, this, a chemist and they've got guns outside.
02:22So the boss called me in, told me to have a seat.
02:27And then he was asking me stuff, where am I from and this and that.
02:31So I explained to him what I wanted.
02:33He went, right, OK.
02:34Gave us a price, what was it, 30 grand?
02:37He says, I have the real deal for 30 pence an ampule
02:40or I can give you snide, fake, for 10 pence an ampule.
02:44And they come exactly the same, they look exactly the same.
02:46I said, no, no, no.
02:47I said, I just want the real deal.
02:49I gave him the money.
02:51And what he did, he didn't even count it.
02:53He just tapped on the ceiling of the roof.
02:57One of them squares opened up and there was a kid up there.
03:00He gave him the money and he ran off.
03:02And that was that.
03:04And he says, ****, he was called.
03:06He says, come here back in the morning.
03:08I'll be here for you at 11 o'clock.
03:09And bring two taxis, he said.
03:11And we went back and everything was ready, just like he said.
03:15I only stuck with that one supplier the whole time.
03:17He backed me up.
03:19He helped me out, gave me some good links.
03:22And they even spoke to the chief of police for me as well.
03:32The steroids, they were all coming from registered factories.
03:36These factories are officially open.
03:38It's like Pfizer.
03:40He used to sell their products.
03:41The supplier worked with a few factories
03:44because he had every spectrum of pharmaceutical drugs that you can think of.
03:50The companies, he was working with Roche.
03:52Roche is a big firm.
03:54Roche was like a big supplier of pills to Pakistan.
03:58I did ask him, do you supply these steroids to anybody else in the UK on this level?
04:03And he said, no.
04:04He said, it's only you.
04:05The only people that were selling it were like some white guys.
04:08But I know white guys can't go to Karachi and do what I just did.
04:13Because firstly, they don't know their language and they wouldn't trust them.
04:16And it just wouldn't work.
04:18So that's how I knew he wasn't really dealing on a high level with anybody else from the UK anyway.
04:26Normally, steroids have a certain smell to them.
04:30Because I've smelled every steroid there is.
04:32They have that same odor.
04:33That's how I know always, yeah.
04:35I always smell it.
04:36Sometimes I've smelled it and it's been weak.
04:38So that I would suggest is just filled up with cooking oil.
04:42So fake products are getting moved.
04:45I just had the finished product at the end of the day.
04:48But I knew that was from a good source.
04:50These steroids, they're like made.
04:52They're made officially.
04:54Hologrammed, packaging, how to take.
04:56They come with all the instructions inside, the side effects.
04:59It's like a full doctor prescription thing.
05:02It's like everything.
05:04Have you ever seen a lab in the UK?
05:07Yes.
05:07I've seen a backstreet garage lab.
05:10This guy, he had the oils.
05:11He was just getting them in these big container things.
05:15The quality of the steroid was rubbish.
05:17And he was putting it in the 10 mil multi-shot himself.
05:23He puts it in himself, seals it himself.
05:26And so this is where you can get bacteria.
05:29Anything can go into these bars.
05:31And this is where people were getting abscesses.
05:35And other things were happening to them.
05:36Because it's not made in a clean environment.
05:39The quality of what my friend was selling
05:42and the quality of what I was bringing in,
05:45there were two extreme levels.
05:48Because the quality of what he was doing,
05:50it was probably, it was very, very weak.
05:53And you don't know what's in it.
05:55When we got the steroids, they're all packed individually.
05:58They all came like a little box, like a matchbox.
06:01And there's one ampule in each one of these things.
06:04But how we had to bring them back,
06:06we had to get one of these boxes
06:07and put six ampules in each box.
06:10And so it was condensed by six vials in a small box.
06:14First, we did this ourselves, attempted it
06:19by getting each bottle out and packing it and packing it.
06:22But there was 50,000 ampules.
06:24And this was like, it was taking us hours.
06:26So I spoke to my taxi driver about it.
06:29I went to his village where he was from.
06:32He got about 12 boys there, sat them all down in his house.
06:36So he got it all, the 50,000 ampules, packed up.
06:40And I paid him, I think about 300 pound.
06:43That was like a month's wage to get that all packed down.
06:46After that experience, I told the supplier
06:50that I had a problem with the packaging.
06:52And he says, okay, let me do it.
06:54I disguised them in vitamin B12 tubs.
06:58But he organized that on the second trip onwards.
07:07To smuggle the stowage back, they would just all be packed down.
07:11I think it was 23 to 24 kilo I was allowed to take back in one case.
07:16I thought, okay, let's just take it through the airport
07:20because it's not illegal here in Pakistan.
07:22So I'm thinking we'll bribe them.
07:26That was my initial thought.
07:28The first time going through airport security,
07:30that was nervous.
07:31The first security were there and said,
07:35okay, open up the cases.
07:36We opened them up.
07:38Some of them didn't even know what it was.
07:41Steroids, they were just looking at it.
07:43Okay, fine, what is it?
07:44But why have you got all this amount
07:46and there's too much of it as well?
07:48Three suitcases full.
07:50I got through that bit
07:52because there was some adult magazines in the case, right?
07:56And one of the security, he picked it up.
07:58In the year 1996 in Pakistan,
08:00you can't get like adult magazines there.
08:03You can't get it, it's illegal.
08:05So we gave them the magazines
08:07and then they let us go through the first part of security.
08:11And then I had to go to the x-ray machine.
08:13They x-rayed it and then they went, right, open it up.
08:16So the same process again.
08:17But with them again, I bought them off with the magazines.
08:21That was my first time round.
08:22The second time round, they knew who I was.
08:26I had to pay them off the first security ones
08:28and then I had to pay the x-ray ones.
08:31I think I gave them, it was UK pound notes,
08:3440 pound each on the security, 40 to 50 pound.
08:39And then it was only on the third trip
08:42where the chief narcotics officer
08:45at Karachi airport approached me.
08:47He said, you just pay me a hundred pounds a suitcase
08:51and I will guide you through.
08:53So on that trip, when I went back,
08:56he met me at the airport
08:58and I just bypassed all security.
09:01All the x-ray machines, all this,
09:02he just told his people, his porters,
09:05get their bags and take them all the way through.
09:08The bags were on the flight.
09:10We change at Amsterdam
09:12and the bags go from that plane onto another plane
09:15and then from Amsterdam to Newcastle.
09:18It's a 5 a.m. flight.
09:20There's no security there at Newcastle.
09:23Customs ever at that time.
09:25The people involved in smuggling operation was like me
09:29and two mules I would take with me.
09:31I would just pay them a thousand pound,
09:33pay for all the holiday,
09:35just all the food, drinks, expenses.
09:38I'd pay that.
09:40So for them, they're just getting
09:41like a free trip away for a week.
09:43So that was a system I had
09:45and I would change my mules as well.
09:46It would be people who I knew,
09:49people who I knew from my hometown,
09:52trusted people sort of thing
09:53who could keep the mouth shut.
09:55Back then there was a surplus amount of people
09:58who would be willing to do that
10:00because the jail for it in England was class C,
10:05which is I think a maximum of three years.
10:08So the sentencing on that,
10:10it wasn't like cocaine or ecstasy.
10:14I walked through and there was nobody there.
10:16There was no airport security there
10:18and I was thinking, wow, got through.
10:20After I bring in the steroids into the UK,
10:24then the marketing starts.
10:29I would approach either dealers in Scotland,
10:35Manchester and Liverpool
10:38and I would sell to them in bulk.
10:41They would buy off me 10,000 ampoules at a time
10:44and plus I sold steroids singly as well
10:48for the top value for four pound an ampoule.
10:52I got a top price
10:53because people will come to me
10:54and just buy 10 at a time.
10:56Nobody else would take a cut of any of this.
10:59Because it was all done quite easily.
11:01If I moved it in bulk in large amounts,
11:04it goes quite quickly.
11:06I would serve up like people I knew,
11:08my doorman friends, people at the gym,
11:10security, other gyms,
11:13they all got served up with my supply.
11:17It's quite open that sometimes I've seen in gyms
11:20where people have just gone into the changing room
11:22and they've just started injecting each other.
11:24I would always inject at home,
11:25but I have injected in the gym.
11:27I've even injected on,
11:29stood outside the door of a club as well.
11:32Security, just even there as well.
11:35Big gyms are complicit.
11:37Yes, they would really turn a blind eye to it.
11:41Because they know these people,
11:43if they weren't taking steroids,
11:44they're not going to come and train.
11:46So it's hand in hand.
11:47You want these people in here
11:48because they're paying the monthly fees
11:51and they're using all this
11:52and they're paying them money,
11:54but they're using steroids at the same time.
11:56So if you stop them from using steroids
11:58or try and stop them from using steroids,
11:59they won't go to your gym.
12:01Yeah, and in smaller gyms,
12:04I've seen people, the owners,
12:06and they're quite open with it.
12:08I've seen them just talk out loud in front of people.
12:11I've got this, I've got that.
12:14This is available.
12:15How it used to work was
12:17I never used to ask the gym owners
12:19if they wanted the steroids.
12:20They used to approach me.
12:22They used to ask me
12:23because they knew I had a quality product.
12:26It was good and it was on there,
12:28sound and reliable and based as well.
12:32Like the stock will always be there,
12:34but mainly they would just let it happen.
12:37As long as it's not directly in front of everybody,
12:41just do what you want.
12:42People have moved on from legal use to illegal use.
12:45I do know people who have approached their doctors
12:48and they've asked them for testosterone.
12:52I think I remember one person, he got something,
12:54but it was only like 100 milligrams.
12:58If there's a big seizure made,
13:02normally things can go dry in that area.
13:07Things can go dry and then the stock isn't there.
13:10And then people will,
13:12well, if they can't get the best stuff,
13:14they will get the stuff that's not that well made.
13:17But I was just doing it on a constant flow.
13:19So it never went dry.
13:21I did these runs.
13:28It lasted about a year and a half until it came on top.
13:32And I was doing it every six weeks, roughly.
13:34I was just thinking myself as a,
13:37I'm an extra person and I can take back,
13:39I can make off a bag 20 grand, you know?
13:4460 grand of three bags is about 20 grand a bag I'm making.
13:47So I wasn't gonna let that opportunity go down.
13:52Greedy I was in a way.
13:54The cost of my trip will be like this.
13:57There'll be three tickets bought.
13:59They're about 350 pound each.
14:01The hotel, I would pay for two rooms,
14:03one for me, one for the mules.
14:06That wouldn't be much in Pakistan.
14:08That was only about, I think, 20, 30 pound a night.
14:12I used to give everybody drinks out.
14:14So you would spend money there as well, you know?
14:16You would give them money.
14:17You would give out tips.
14:18I gave a lot of people tips as well,
14:20which I didn't need to do.
14:21But I did that just to keep people happy
14:23because I'm doing bad in their country.
14:26And the officers, yes, I used to pay them as well.
14:28300 pound on them on each case.
14:30So that would be on top, about two and a half thousand.
14:33Two and a half thousand pound for a 60 grand return.
14:37I've made millions and I've lost millions.
14:39I bought myself a few things, jewellery, clothing,
14:44cars, I spent a lot of money on.
14:46I had a lot of nice cars.
14:48You buy cars, but I crashed a lot of cars as well.
14:50While the money's rolling in, it's all good fun.
14:53There's a lot of people want to jump on the train.
14:56But when the train stops, they all jump off the train.
14:59Men, and they don't even come near you after that.
15:01They're all there for the ride.
15:03But once the money stops, the jail comes.
15:07And then that's when reality, it kicks in.
15:10The steroids I was bringing in at the time were sustanone,
15:17which was a mix of testosterone.
15:20So there was a testosterone deconate, propionate,
15:24supinate, it's just a mixture of tests
15:27what lasts a different length of time.
15:31The main forms is tablet form,
15:34but they're going to be a little bit different.
15:35They're going to be a little bit different
15:37in the form of a tablet.
15:40But they go through your liver and kidneys.
15:43The tablet form, people have seemed to gone off the tablet form,
15:46but some people like to take a tablet form.
15:48You can still get the inapolone, anavar,
15:51which is a steroid what girls take,
15:53because it's the mildest steroid you can take.
15:55And it has the least amount of side effects.
15:59In ampule, you get different ones.
16:02They normally come in one mil.
16:04You can get one mil amps or two mil amps.
16:07It depends on the steroid.
16:08But you can buy a 10 shot mini one as well.
16:13Mini vials, yeah.
16:14You get 10 one mil shots out of that.
16:17They just have a plastic stopper on.
16:19You put the needle through and you draw back.
16:23You get 10 in one of them.
16:25So that's how they're normally sold.
16:26There's some people that will abuse it.
16:28Some people that can take about 20 injections a week,
16:32three injections a day, which is what I used to do.
16:35There was a time where like I was injecting that much.
16:39I needed new sort of injecting sites.
16:42I've injected my biceps before, my triceps, my chest even once,
16:47my thighs, my ass, anywhere where there's like a big muscle.
16:51If you're looking for new sites all the time,
16:53then obviously you're abusing it.
16:55Steroid use, misuse.
16:58Yes, it is a medical matter.
17:01Yes, I was addicted to steroids.
17:03When I was taking them in my peak,
17:06I only used to be about 12 stone.
17:0812 stone, I couldn't get past that no matter what I did,
17:11no matter how hard I trained.
17:12And then I went up to 17 and a half stone,
17:16from 12 to 17 and a half.
17:18And my bench press was 200 kilo, 200 kilo bench.
17:23There weren't many people in my town who could do that,
17:26who had that sort of power and strength that I had.
17:30And I think I was addicted to that.
17:32I was addicted to having that power and strength.
17:35And if I stopped taking the steroids,
17:36that power and strength is going to go away.
17:38The look of me is not going to be as good.
17:41It's not going to be as intimidating.
17:42It's not going to be...
17:43I will lessen, I will go lesser, lesser, lesser
17:46if I stop taking it.
17:48That's my belief.
17:49Yes, so an addiction.
17:52Yes, because I was addicted to that
17:53and I wanted to stay that way.
17:55If you have enough on you,
17:56what they suspect you are supplying
17:58and you are making money off this,
18:00you can go to jail, yeah,
18:01up to 14 years in the US.
18:09I was arrested in Spain, Alicante in 1999.
18:14The amount I had, I think,
18:16was a quarter of a million pills and 50,000 ampules.
18:20That's what I had on me.
18:22We landed at Alicante Airport,
18:25me and the two mules.
18:27I was stood on my own.
18:28The two mules were stood on their own.
18:30The baggage was going round and round.
18:32Our cases never, never came through.
18:35So then I knew something was up
18:38and it was then when I knew,
18:40I think it was f***ed here.
18:41And then the Guardia Civil come round the corner
18:45with guns and they went, bam,
18:47sandu on the floor, handcuffed me.
18:49I was devastated and I just looked over
18:52at the two mules that I bought,
18:53I f***ed them the s***
18:54and I just felt bad for them.
18:56I just saw instantly then,
18:58I seen it in their faces.
19:01Bam, it just dropped.
19:03Me, I knew what I was doing
19:05and they didn't know what they were doing.
19:08They didn't know that this was going to happen,
19:10that this could happen.
19:11I knew, you know.
19:14But it was just a sinking feeling.
19:18And then they took us away.
19:25They took us to Foncalent.
19:27Foncalent, Alicante.
19:29It was just in the middle of mountains,
19:31nothing else around it.
19:32It's just like a jail amongst mountains.
19:36They took us in.
19:37It looked scary to me.
19:38We were just held there on remand
19:41for over two years.
19:43Our court date had not come
19:45because the police were trying to find out
19:47if I had money in Spain.
19:48They went, f***, you're going to Moodloo 1
19:50and they went, sandu, you're going to Moodloo 4.
19:53I went, why can't we stay together?
19:55They went, no, no, no, not you.
19:57Then you're going to 4.
19:59That was the top security wing.
20:03They put me there because at the time I was big.
20:06I was intimidating looking.
20:07They didn't really like me from what I was doing.
20:10So my cell was just like,
20:13oh, it was really small, tiny.
20:15You could touch both sides of it
20:17if you put your arms out.
20:19The length, not that long.
20:22There was like a concrete slab for a bed.
20:26And on top of that, there was like a sponge, a sponge.
20:30And then you're given a sheet to stick on top of that
20:33to sleep on, on top of the concrete slab.
20:36And then my door is like, you have cages on it.
20:39It's got one door with bars that locks.
20:42And then there's another door that locks
20:45because we are considered dangerous.
20:47And then some of us, we have to go handcuffed
20:49to through the door.
20:50We have to put our hands in and then they take you out.
20:53I had fights with people.
20:55My hands were cut.
20:56At first, when I went in, I was on a proper downer.
21:00I got talking to this guy
21:02who could speak a little bit of English.
21:03He used to smoke heroin.
21:05So I started to smoke heroin as well when I first went in
21:08just to get my mind out of where it was.
21:12I needed that escapism and heroin took me out of there.
21:15There was only about 40 heads in my jail.
21:17There was four Germans there for kidnap.
21:21They had a bit of a gang.
21:23Russians were there, about three or four of them.
21:25The South Americans, they all stuck together.
21:29I didn't know the language.
21:30I was on the comedown off the steroids.
21:32They were all leaving my body now.
21:34I was feeling angry at myself.
21:36I was like getting smaller.
21:37I was on heroin.
21:39My mind was not good.
21:41There was fights.
21:42Stabbings I've been involved in too.
21:44I was stabbed there twice.
21:46I stabbed somebody there.
21:47His cousin later stabbed me in the back.
21:49When heroin goes dry, when there's none on the wing,
21:53there's a lot of aggression there.
21:54People wanting drugs and fights start.
21:57I just lost everything.
21:59I lost everything.
22:00I was married on the out.
22:03My wife found out about everything, what was going on,
22:06because I was in jail.
22:07So she goes, right, divorce.
22:09So she didn't want me.
22:11She goes, you're never going to see your kids again either.
22:12I had three children at a time
22:14and I've never seen them as well since 1998.
22:18I had my chance and I blew it, blew it.
22:21How I feel about the mules now?
22:23I feel bad about the two that got caught with me
22:27because they went to jail as well.
22:29And I told them this would not happen, you know.
22:32I told them jail would not happen, but it did happen.
22:36I messed up.
22:38I got out of Spain 2002 and then I went back to jail 2003.
22:44So I was only out a year.
22:46I didn't really learn my lesson from my first jail experience.
22:51Simply because of the fact I had the wrong mentality about me.
22:56There was no rehabilitation in Spain.
22:58There was nobody, no counselling, no like talking to you.
23:02I didn't get anything.
23:03I think that's why my head, I was still in jail mode.
23:07I was still like talking to people
23:10and acting to people as if I was in jail
23:14because my head was still in there.
23:16And I was only out a year and my head didn't really change.
23:19And then I was back in jail again.
23:20I stopped trafficking steroids.
23:23The simple fact the police knew what I was doing.
23:25They knew how I was operating.
23:27They knew my links.
23:28Even though I was arrested in Spain,
23:31the British authorities, they knew of it as well.
23:34They were on my case and now when I came out of jail,
23:37I got involved in heavier crime.
23:40I got involved with cocaine.
23:42I got involved with prostitution with these people I was working with.
23:47A firm, a gang in Gateshead in Newcastle.
23:52They were a heavy firm and they were controlling the whole area.
23:55So I gave the steroids a miss and I moved on to that
24:02which was a mistake as well.
24:04I got seven years for conspiracy to spy class A,
24:09blackmail and controlling prostitution.
24:11The seven years I was given, I served four years.
24:14This was in HMP Durham.
24:17My parole date was three and a half years.
24:20It went over my parole because I didn't think I was going to get parole.
24:24But then there was a bit of jail overcrowding at the time
24:27and they decided to let a few people out.
24:29And I was one of them who they let out early.
24:33The comparison between Spanish prisons and UK prisons is massive.
24:38There's no health and safety in Spanish prisons.
24:41There's no rehabilitation.
24:43And sentencing there is like mad.
24:53When I was told my body was of a 45-year-old at 28,
25:00it was a shock to the system.
25:01But to be honest with you, I couldn't stop.
25:03It was like, I couldn't stop.
25:07I didn't want to go smaller.
25:09But what made me stop was the prison sentences.
25:12So it was after that, that it all sank in.
25:17The come down of the steroids, the come down of all the drugs.
25:21My head felt right, OK, I was doing it wrong.
25:24I was doing it wrong.
25:25This is a way to do it now.
25:27But it was jail and the fact that I couldn't get a hold of the steroids in Spain,
25:32that made me stop.
25:34Otherwise, I don't think I would have stopped.
25:36I don't think I would have stopped.
25:37I've had my tests done, my liver, my bones, my arthritis,
25:42all been checked and now I'm back to normal.
25:46I was just like on this roller coaster of making money.
25:50Importing, importing, importing.
25:52Yeah, money, money, money, bam, bam, bam.
25:54And I forgot about everything else around me.
25:56Was it worth it?
26:02Well, no, no, no, no.
26:04Nothing, none of that is worth losing family and going to jail and losing your money.
26:11I do regret what I did, what I've lost.
26:20Steroids are more mainstream now.
26:22This is because it's more acceptable now.
26:25Social media influences, you get off all these actors,
26:28all these actors are in good shape, they all look their part.
26:31Everybody wants to look their part now.
26:34Men and women.
26:36But where do they get them from?
26:37You don't go to a doctor, you have to go to a legal supplier.
26:40So importation is not really a factor no more
26:44because things are just getting made here now.
26:45It's getting made in England.
26:47I believe there should be a steroid-like practitioner and that's his job.
26:52He's got like a pharmacy where he sells steroids.
26:55You can go and you can buy and you can get advice and you can get help.
26:58The police could invest more money into it, put like a new agency involved.
27:08Maybe like branch out of the drug enforcement agency,
27:11maybe to have like a separate agency that concentrates on the illegal.
27:16And I'm sure you could find these people easily because I can find them easy enough.
27:20In the UK, steroids is not really a major police problem.
27:26They don't see it as a major drama.
27:28And so the law enforcement, either they have to resources,
27:33get more money involved in this, trying to even like upgrade it to class B.
27:38But then I don't think that will stop anyone taking it because people will still take it.
27:43So if you up it for it, make it class A even.
27:49Why do you want to send people to jail if all they're trying to do
27:52is just like make themselves look a bit better?
27:54I don't think it's a criminal offence personally.
27:57I now have a CBD company, Alpha CBD, that's been going well.
28:03And so I've been helping out a lot of people with that.
28:07I've wrote two books, King of Karachi I wrote, which was the first book,
28:12which was about the steroid dealing for Pakistan.
28:14And Self-Made Dues Paid is my second book I've wrote now.
28:19That's my life story from when I was like three years old.
28:22And it goes up until the time I left jail in Spain in 2002.