👉 Ricardo Aguerrido, un hombre que pasó tres años en la cárcel de Batán por un crimen que no cometió, comparte su historia de terror y sufrimiento. Su abogado, Matías Mora, critica los fallos del sistema judicial y elogia el juicio por jurado como una forma de corregir los errores judiciales. Ricardo fue acusado injustamente en una trama de compra-venta de un restaurante que terminó con la muerte de Ezequiel, un amigo cercano. Ahora libre, Ricardo busca justicia para él y para Ezequiel.
"Me plantaron pruebas"
"El asesino sigue suelto"
"De repente me encontré en el infierno"
"A mi hijo hace dos años que no lo veo"
"La sociedad me dio vueta la cara"
"Cuando comenten un error lo respaldan"
"Nunca se investigó otra línea"
"El jurado fue unánime"
"Todo fue por un tema de deudas"
"Me iba a pagar el martes y lo mataron el sábado"
"El preso vive del engaño"
"Tengo varias puñaladas de la cárcel"
"Adentro, nadie te cree que sos inocente"
"Quiero limpiar mi nombre"
"A mi defendido se le negaron las pruebas" - Matías Morla, abogado
"Entre como empresario, hoy me mantengo con la jubilación de mi mamá"
👉 Seguí en #AndinoYLasNoticias
"Me plantaron pruebas"
"El asesino sigue suelto"
"De repente me encontré en el infierno"
"A mi hijo hace dos años que no lo veo"
"La sociedad me dio vueta la cara"
"Cuando comenten un error lo respaldan"
"Nunca se investigó otra línea"
"El jurado fue unánime"
"Todo fue por un tema de deudas"
"Me iba a pagar el martes y lo mataron el sábado"
"El preso vive del engaño"
"Tengo varias puñaladas de la cárcel"
"Adentro, nadie te cree que sos inocente"
"Quiero limpiar mi nombre"
"A mi defendido se le negaron las pruebas" - Matías Morla, abogado
"Entre como empresario, hoy me mantengo con la jubilación de mi mamá"
👉 Seguí en #AndinoYLasNoticias
Category
🗞
NewsTranscript
00:00...of injustice, of uncertainty that he had as a protagonist, Walter Aguerrido, that's his name.
00:09He was in prison for three years, accused of murder, but in the trial it was proven that he was innocent.
00:15And now, of course, he's going for his revenge, for his vindication.
00:19The story of Walter Ricardo Aguerrido is really a novel.
00:23He was the owner of the Pietro restaurant in Mar del Plata and his life changes forever in August 2001
00:29when he was arrested for the crime of Ezequiel Guasone,
00:33a 48-year-old businessman who had bought the business fund of his restaurant
00:38and he appears dead a few days after that operation.
00:42That's right, Guillermo. Good morning.
00:44Ezequiel Guasone's body, 48 years old, appears inside the business on July 25, 2021.
00:51It had blows and it also had the neck tied to a table.
00:57Let's see, an investigation was opened.
00:59The prosecutor who was in charge of the case, Prosecutor Romina Díaz,
01:03pointed directly to Walter Aguerrido for a debt in terms of the purchase and sale of the business fund.
01:10A debt that Guasone had with Aguerrido.
01:14He owed him part of the money, 1,700,000 pesos.
01:18He had made a payment in dollars.
01:20That was the only tool the prosecutor had to accuse Walter Aguerrido.
01:26Therefore, a popular judge declared him not guilty.
01:30From that, well, a defeat begins on the part of Aguerrido
01:35to recover the remaining profit and also, in some way,
01:39recover his life after three and a half years in prison in Bataan.
01:43We have the opportunity to talk to Walter.
01:45His lawyer, Dr. Matías Morla, is here.
01:47You know him.
01:48I think we can already say hello to both of you.
01:50And also say thank you for this note.
01:53He is with Fabián Rubino.
01:54Fabi?
01:56Hello, Guillermo.
01:57To tell you, how can there be two different visions?
02:02On the one hand, those who impart justice with the criminal code,
02:06who studied, who have the possibility of doing an investigation.
02:09And on the other hand, a popular judge with 12 people,
02:14and each of them says, no, this was not like that.
02:18The Lord was not like that.
02:19The Lord has to be free.
02:21What is the difference?
02:23I've been talking to them for 15 minutes,
02:25and especially with Ricardo.
02:27His name is not Walter.
02:28His name is Ricardo.
02:29And he is going to explain to you what his situation is.
02:31A man who lived three years in prison in Bataan.
02:35It is to make a book of terror with everything that happened.
02:39But first, I give you Matías Morla, who is his lawyer now,
02:42and ask you, Matías, thank you for receiving us.
02:44What I was just saying,
02:46how can there be such different criteria
02:49between who investigates and a popular judge or a popular jury?
02:53Well, the most important thing...
02:55Hello, how are you? Good afternoon.
02:57How are you, Matías?
02:58The most important thing here is that justice is wrong,
03:01and then justice itself fixes it through the jury trial,
03:05which is what Minister Cuñol and Barona are appointing
03:07to do throughout the country.
03:09Popular sovereignty has the particularity
03:11that when it dictates a sentence,
03:13then it is unappealable to the prosecution.
03:15In other words, the work that the prosecution did,
03:17ended up in the oral trial.
03:19It cannot continue as an appeal.
03:21Here, the most important thing is that the murderer is free,
03:24that the murderer did not look for him
03:26because he made an incorrect line of investigation.
03:28The issue of the debt did not convince the judge or the jury,
03:32that it would have been a cause to kill him.
03:35He asked a lot of times for evidence,
03:38but there was no evidence,
03:39he tried to hide many things,
03:41and the prosecutor was blind,
03:43looking for a sector,
03:45and he was wrong, that's the reality.
03:47Guillermo?
03:48Yes, hello Matias, hello.
03:50Ricardo, we thought your name was Walter Ricardo,
03:53but it's not like that, did we rename you?
03:58No, good morning, nice to meet you.
04:00Likewise.
04:01Yes, my name is Walter Ricardo,
04:05but they had to change my name,
04:08they call me Ricardo Guerrido, almost everyone,
04:11but in prison they changed my name,
04:14they gave me Walter Cornali,
04:17my mother's last name, for security.
04:20Sure.
04:21Ricardo, let's talk a little about your story,
04:24what it meant for you to be three years,
04:27I imagine, the suffering, the suffering.
04:32Tell me about the fact itself,
04:34what happened in this sale of this trade fund,
04:38of the restaurant that takes you to jail unfairly.
04:42Well, Ezequiel, a friend of the family,
04:48very dear to us,
04:52they deceived me,
04:54a group, his lawyer,
04:58the writer,
05:00a lot of people who wanted Ezequiel's business
05:03because they wanted to sell it.
05:07So we resigned the contract,
05:10we came to an agreement,
05:12he gave me 14,000 dollars
05:15and we had agreed that what he owed me
05:17he would give me on Tuesday at three in the afternoon
05:20at the Morea desk.
05:22So I left happy with my 14,000 dollars,
05:26I left the business,
05:28I had to withdraw everything,
05:30as I had a trust in Ezequiel,
05:32he told me,
05:33in total we have 30 days to withdraw everything,
05:37everything from there,
05:39obviously all the machinery of the business,
05:41of Pietro,
05:42everyone who knew Pietro knows all the installations,
05:45paintings,
05:46things of great value that were in that restaurant.
05:53And suddenly the lawyer called me one night,
05:58on Saturday,
06:00Mr. Resúa,
06:02and he told me that
06:04Ezequiel was missing,
06:06did you see him?
06:08But no,
06:09I haven't seen him since Wednesday.
06:12And he tells me,
06:13well, he's missing.
06:15Well, on Sunday at noon
06:18my brother calls me
06:20saying that
06:22they found Ezequiel's body inside the business
06:25that Ezequiel had gone to clean,
06:27Ezequiel had indeed gone at seven in the afternoon
06:30the day before to clean the business
06:32that they had to deliver.
06:34He was happy,
06:35happy,
06:36because it was going to be a very important operation
06:39to sell the business.
06:41And
06:43there,
06:44at night,
06:45on the same Sunday,
06:46Mr. Resúa himself told me,
06:49Ricardo,
06:50you are one of the first suspects.
06:53Ricardo,
06:54sorry to interrupt you,
06:55in what circumstances did you find him?
06:57Hit?
06:58With a shot?
06:59How was it?
07:00What was the scene of the crime,
07:02which must have been dramatic, right?
07:06They supposedly waited for him inside,
07:11someone had given him the key,
07:13they hit him with a pineapple on the stairs,
07:16he faints,
07:17they put a rope on him
07:19and they squeeze him
07:21and he died.
07:23Mafia,
07:24mafioso.
07:25And they put him,
07:26yes,
07:27they put him
07:28as a hitman.
07:29They put him,
07:30they picked him up between two
07:32and they put him against a DJ booth
07:34with a rope,
07:35as if pretending he was hanged.
07:37They opened the windows
07:39and planted a lot of my evidence,
07:41of my papers,
07:42that I had spoken with Ezequiel,
07:44everything,
07:45and well,
07:46what came later,
07:48the DDI came to my brother's house,
07:51they asked me my name,
07:53that I had to go to the DDI to declare,
07:55but they didn't take me to declare.
07:56When I went to the DDI,
07:57they put me the hooks,
07:58they put me in the dungeon
07:59and they sent me to kill.
08:01What you can't understand now
08:02is how impunity is,
08:03such a crime.
08:05Today we have two victims,
08:06because you,
08:07with your innocence,
08:08and the victim too.
08:10For something.
08:11Yes.
08:12Yes, Matias.
08:13And the issue,
08:14the issue of impunity also,
08:15yes,
08:16the issue of impunity also
08:17brings with it
08:18that the killer is free, right?
08:19Uh-huh.
08:20Here,
08:21regardless of what happened
08:23that day,
08:24also what happened
08:25is that justice
08:26committed
08:27a huge mistake
08:28and clearly
08:29all the clues
08:30that would have been possible
08:31to have an imputation
08:32are not for a conviction
08:33nor for a trial.
08:35Because what you are mentioning,
08:37that they left evidence there,
08:38was because it was the restaurant
08:39that belonged to him,
08:40that is,
08:41clearly there were things of him,
08:42everything that was of him
08:43and he carried it.
08:45So,
08:46there was not even a confusion
08:47in that sense,
08:48that element
08:49was not even valued.
08:50What you can't understand
08:52is how you can
08:53spend
08:54a morning
08:55selling a coffee
08:56and being happy
08:57and being in jail,
08:58which on top of that
08:59had to suffer
09:00everything that a person
09:01who is an entrepreneur
09:02suffers in a prison
09:03with people from the world of the water.
09:04Now,
09:05now I want to go to that,
09:06but
09:07I stop again
09:08in the fact that
09:09they looked for traces
09:10of the real murderers,
09:12there was camera tracking
09:14if someone entered,
09:16they looked for witnesses.
09:20Not only is there not that,
09:21but also
09:23that a relative
09:25of the deceased boy
09:27had a hypothesis
09:28of who was responsible
09:29and they did not investigate it.
09:30That is to say,
09:31when justice takes a path,
09:33it cannot take a path,
09:35there is a path.
09:36If I understand
09:37that Guillermo Andino
09:38did such a thing,
09:39I can't say that
09:40Pepe did it subsidiarily.
09:42So,
09:43when an incorrect imputation is made,
09:45they start to go up
09:46error after error,
09:47they have to back it up
09:48and you saw
09:49famous cases
09:50that go to oral trial
09:51and then it is absolved
09:52and to find the real culprit
09:53because the time that passed.
09:54How do you find now
09:55the murderer
09:56after four years
09:57when all the evidence
09:58was done unfairly
09:59against him?
10:00It is a very irregular situation,
10:02tedious,
10:03confusing
10:04and the truth is that
10:05it confuses a lot.
10:06What the prosecutor argues
10:07more days
10:08is that
10:09there was a clash
10:10at the time of death
10:12with the phone
10:13of your defendant.
10:14That was one of the evidence
10:16that he puts on the table,
10:18as if there was no possibility
10:20of location.
10:21What happened
10:22with the phone
10:23of Ricardo?
10:24To tell Ricardo.
10:25No,
10:26that,
10:27the expertise,
10:28no,
10:29the expertise
10:32was requested
10:33a video camera
10:34that was in a hotel
10:35and in the video camera
10:36of the hotel
10:37that the prosecutor did not do,
10:38all the favorable evidence
10:39arose,
10:40that is,
10:41proof was also denied to him
10:42because,
10:43I insist,
10:44to try to carry
10:45an incorrect imputation
10:46you have to
10:47read a lot of things.
10:48I am not saying
10:49that the prosecutor
10:50has done it
10:51on purpose
10:52against him
10:53directly.
10:54I think he thought
10:55that,
10:56he was wrong
10:57and on that error,
10:58on that correct basis
10:59he added.
11:00But there is
11:01an intellectual actor.
11:02Yes,
11:03obvious,
11:04but,
11:05sorry,
11:06because,
11:07Matias,
11:08Ricardo just said
11:09that a relative
11:10of Ezequiel Guasone
11:11had a suspicion
11:12with reference
11:13to who
11:14could be the killer.
11:15He never
11:16investigated
11:17that line?
11:18No,
11:19I insist,
11:20because once
11:21the case
11:22is finished,
11:23the resolution
11:24of the trial
11:25by jurors,
11:26that was unanimous,
11:27the 12
11:28were said
11:29to be innocent,
11:30cannot be
11:31appealed
11:32by the prosecution
11:33or by anyone,
11:34that is,
11:35the resolution
11:36was already
11:37firm.
11:38And now
11:39we are going
11:40to insist
11:41on the hypothesis.
11:42Well,
11:43I ask you,
11:44in the context
11:45of this hypothesis,
11:46this would be
11:47framed
11:48in a crime,
11:49in a murder,
11:50in a crime,
11:51in an intrafamilial
11:52murder,
11:53with links
11:54close
11:55to Guasone?
11:56Yes,
11:57for a debt
11:58issue.
11:59The victim
12:00had an important
12:01debt
12:02and that's
12:03how
12:04he was charged.
12:05And this person
12:06is in Africa,
12:07is in
12:08Mar del Plata,
12:09we don't know
12:10where he is,
12:11what do we know?
12:12Because you,
12:13Matias,
12:14you are a
12:15lawyer
12:16who has kissed,
12:17that surely
12:18you were
12:19looking and
12:20putting the magnifying
12:21glass
12:22on this line
12:23and on this person.
12:24That's why
12:25I don't want to
12:26give many details
12:27because there will be
12:28news next week,
12:29but he is
12:30located
12:31and we know
12:32many things
12:33about him.
12:34Which was what
12:35he came to
12:36hold the three
12:37years in prison,
12:38that he knew
12:39who was
12:40responsible.
12:41Because he,
12:42apart from suffering
12:43his injustice,
12:44had to suffer
12:45the impunity
12:46of his friend
12:47who was killed
12:48in the three
12:49years in prison.
12:50And I also
12:51asked him
12:52if he had
12:53any conversations
12:54with Guason
12:55about the
12:561.7 million pesos
12:57that I think
12:58was at the time
12:59what was being
13:00held,
13:01money at
13:02that time
13:03that is not
13:04the money
13:05of today
13:06obviously.
13:07Yes, yes,
13:08I have everything
13:09documented.
13:10The arrangement
13:11was barbaric
13:12with Guason.
13:13He signed
13:14the documents
13:15for me,
13:16we had
13:17Well, unfortunately, on Saturday night, what happened happened, but...
13:24But it was prior to...
13:26It was a complete deception.
13:28Prior to the death or disappearance of Guasone the day they had to go to the office?
13:34Of course, of course.
13:36Of course. They didn't go to the office to be killed?
13:38We did it. Of course.
13:41And the heirs kept everything.
13:45Of course.
13:46All the things, the material of Guasone.
13:50His properties and his inheritance, well...
13:53Yes.
13:54I gave all the information to the doctor.
13:57Obviously, I thank him very much for taking this case because it is for...
14:05Well, I chose him for a reason of knowing what he does.
14:10Without a doubt.
14:11Let's get into the field of the nightmare lived in Bataan.
14:18That before and after.
14:20First tell me, do you have family, do you have a partner, children?
14:26Yes, I'm married, separated, five years ago.
14:31I have three children.
14:34I have one living in Spain, the other is about to receive an architect
14:40and the youngest is a football player.
14:42Good. So you are a businessman with a family, separated, but I understand supported by them.
14:49From one day to the next, they see their father in prison.
14:55Is that so?
14:56Yes.
14:57And I guess a lot of...
14:59My eldest son...
15:00Yes.
15:02My eldest son had to go to Spain.
15:07I haven't seen him for two and a half years because this situation has brought...
15:17Imagine, I don't know, telling him, your father is a murderer.
15:26I lived moments... society turned its face to me.
15:31My friends didn't call me.
15:34Nobody came to my house to give me a plate of food for my son.
15:40It was...
15:42Sorry.
15:43No, no, don't worry.
15:44Sorry.
15:45No, no.
15:46But it was hard, it was very hard.
15:49I was a businessman all my life, I worked and worked, I helped.
15:55And suddenly I found myself in hell.
16:01But well, I got out.
16:05I got out.
16:06Sure, but now I'm going back to that society that turned its face to you, to the businessman.
16:13They are all friends of the champion, but sometimes the champion decays and they turn their face to him, right?
16:18Yes.
16:19But let's go back to Bataan, to an unknown world for you.
16:23Yes.
16:24The world of prison guards.
16:25Yes.
16:26Of the knife, of survival.
16:28How did you do it? How were those first days?
16:34Well, the first days were very difficult because the prisoner lives from deception.
16:43The first day they treated me as if I were a queen, a king.
16:48Come, stay calm, nothing happens.
16:51And I was desperate, incommunicado, I didn't know what was happening.
16:55Because they took me, they took me in a deceitful way, they took me to jail, the police.
17:06I asked for a phone number.
17:09They told me, you have to, please, we give you the possibility to speak by phone, but you have to charge us the phone.
17:16I said yes, because economically at that time I was fine.
17:20Imagine, I had 14,000 dollars in my power, which I left to my wife.
17:24Or to my ex-wife.
17:26And I spoke by phone.
17:31And the next day, the same thing, I charged the phone, I charged them a lot of money on the phone.
17:36The next day, the same thing, they threw me to the floor, they squeezed my head against the floor, they squeezed my hand.
17:42And they told me, scream, son of a bitch, because now you are going to have to return the money to us.
17:47They deposited the money to us.
17:49And they spoke to me on the phone, and I just screamed, telling my wife not to give anything to anyone.
17:56And there, well, a fight broke out, they hit me.
17:59And so it was, until the same head of the same jail, of the same dungeon, said, well, that's it, that's it.
18:10We won't get anything out of this one.
18:12And so it was.
18:13And on the fifth day, before I went to testify, they threw me another person.
18:17And he nailed me with a fork in the jugular, which saved me the cord that I had from the kangaroo, because it was very cold that day.
18:26There is no window.
18:28And I threw him, without wanting to, more, wanting, he was cooking.
18:34I threw him the pan, the oil burned, we got into a fight.
18:38The police came, the jail guards came, they hit me with sticks and grabbed me and told me what I was doing.
18:45And I said, I am defending my life that he wanted to kill me.
18:47They asked the other inmates and they said, yes, it's true.
18:52Well, and there they took me out of that dungeon and took me to another one.
18:56But hey, that's how I started.
18:59But I had millions that I didn't ...
19:02Ricardo, do you have marks on your body?
19:03And yes, I have marks on my body.
19:05And a stab here.
19:09On the leg too.
19:12They cut my hand here, they burned me here.
19:15I say, Ricardo.
19:17And they hurt my soul.
19:20Exactly. I was going to tell you, the greatest wound is there, right?
19:25In the soul, because this is recorded forever.
19:28This was in Soledad.
19:30When did you have the chance that someone would visit you?
19:33If they were going to visit you, because you said they turned their face to you,
19:36because many supposedly discovered in you a murderer that you were not.
19:42As it is, as it is, Guillaume.
19:46Were they going to see you?
19:49Well, only my family.
19:52Were your children the only ones who believed you?
19:56Of course.
19:59And my 86-year-old mother.
20:03Your mother had to leave?
20:06Yes, my mother is alone in Mar del Plata at the moment.
20:11And she was the one who told me to come and fight for my truth.
20:18To leave anything, but to come and fight for my truth.
20:21And here I am.
20:23And look who I'm with.
20:25Yes, yes, I imagine what it must have been.
20:28Did your mother go to visit you, Abadán?
20:32Yes, my mother came, my children came once a week.
20:38My new partner, who I had at that time, also came.
20:44But my three children, my mother, my brother,
20:48my new partner and no one else.
20:51That was the circle that believed me.
20:54Then the other people, obviously, who turned their faces at me.
20:59I have two or three friends who called me a couple of times,
21:03but you said it, champion friends.
21:06And well, I was no longer a champion.
21:09And now, knowing this,
21:13did they reappear, at least to ask you for forgiveness?
21:16After your acquittal for a jury trial,
21:19where unanimity said that you had nothing to do with this
21:23and that you had to look for the real murderer?
21:26No.
21:28Forget it.
21:30No.
21:32And that's why I also decided to leave Mar del Plata
21:37because Mar del Plata already seems like a great prison to me.
21:42Of course.
21:43Living in Mar del Plata is a prison to me.
21:46That's why I came here.
21:49Not to turn my face.
21:54People who doubt.
21:56And well, I need to clear my name for my prestige.
22:01Without a doubt.
22:03And my children's.
22:05And from what you said, I say, Ricardo,
22:07thank you for being alive, right?
22:09Because I understand that in prison, with all this behavior,
22:11they could have easily killed you.
22:16I'll tell you something.
22:18When I left, you have to go through seven doors to be able to leave.
22:23Yes.
22:25And the psychologist helped me a lot.
22:29Obviously, she didn't believe me either.
22:31Nobody believes the prisoner.
22:33Imagine, I told her she was innocent.
22:35Nobody believes you're innocent.
22:38And I put up with a lot of things in there.
22:42Stealing food, fighting,
22:46fighting everyone for a cigarette,
22:50for food, for whatever.
22:52But well, she made me a better person.
22:55Do you know why?
22:57Because first, I learned what hunger was.
23:00I didn't know what hunger was.
23:02Well, I learned.
23:03And second, I learned to take care of what little I had,
23:09to value what little I had, because I always lived well.
23:13And well, life changed me.
23:15So I value what little I have a lot.
23:17She made me a better person.
23:19Tell me something.
23:21Do you know something?
23:23Yes, yes.
23:25No, no, finish, Ricardo.
23:27What's it called?
23:29The psychologist told me,
23:30he gave me the folder to go,
23:33and he told me,
23:35the one who gets out of here from jail,
23:37unharmed like you,
23:40in life they become helping people.
23:43So you became a superhero for getting out of here,
23:47because you went through a lot of stages.
23:49And remember that from here on,
23:51maybe you're going to help people.
23:53And that's how it's going to be.
23:55Because all I want to fight for
23:57is the well-being of those who helped me.
23:58Very good.
24:00I wanted to ask you, even if it seems paradoxical.
24:02Did you have any friends in Bataan?
24:04Or was it all hell and types of garbage
24:07that all they did was torture you?
24:10No, no.
24:13I value the brave prisoners a lot,
24:16who say, yes, I did this,
24:18I did this, I did this,
24:20and they recognize it.
24:22They helped me a lot.
24:23In fact, I've gotten things for charity,
24:26and I have two or three prisoners
24:29that I still send them things,
24:32because they helped me a lot.
24:35Yes, there are people,
24:37obviously,
24:39who did something wrong
24:41for being in jail.
24:43I was also in jail,
24:45but I hadn't done anything.
24:47These are very rare cases,
24:49very different,
24:51but obviously there are people
24:53that I can't say anything about,
24:55because they helped me,
24:57they helped me a lot
24:59to endure, to live,
25:01to take care of myself,
25:03to be able to sleep.
25:05Would you go visit them?
25:07Or what you said about Mar del Plata?
25:09Of course.
25:11At least you would go to Bataan.
25:13Of course.
25:15Of course I would go to Bataan.
25:17Of course I would go.
25:19Totally.
25:21I want to ask Matias,
25:23about the prisoners.
25:25Who were they?
25:27Well, now the new hypothesis
25:29that the new prosecutor's office
25:31is dealing with
25:33is linked to the person responsible.
25:35We provided some elements of interest
25:38so that they can see how it is,
25:40and there is also a lot of money
25:42going around,
25:44so there will be news,
25:46I think, next week.
25:48Do you have any interests?
25:50Yes, yes, let's say.
25:51It was related to justice,
25:53politics, police.
25:55It was economic.
25:57Of course, but let's say.
25:59No, no, it was an economic issue.
26:01So that it is not investigated in depth,
26:03because it draws a lot of attention
26:05the failure that there was in the investigation.
26:07If it is someone in power,
26:09if it is someone you have to take care of.
26:11Of course, it can be related or someone you have to take care of.
26:13They got the easiest thing.
26:15No, they got the easiest thing.
26:17They got there and said,
26:19he died in the restaurant that belonged to Ricardo,
26:21he died in the restaurant that belonged to Ricardo.
26:23The issue will now dance
26:25when the new prosecution detects
26:27the forceful evidence,
26:29there will be a disgust on the subject.
26:31But there is also a reality.
26:33When justice is wrong,
26:35it never recognizes that it was wrong.
26:37You saw it.
26:39You saw it in the famous case.
26:41They had four years,
26:43they arrived at the trial,
26:45the other hypothesis,
26:47and they go back.
26:49It is not that time passes, it is difficult.
26:51Legally nothing can happen.
26:53These three years that they took away,
26:55because they took away your defendant,
26:57absolutely nothing will happen.
26:59Yes, it can be a trial.
27:01Yes, let's see,
27:03the remedies are a political trial
27:05of the prosecutors who intervened,
27:07which I told them that we were not going to do.
27:09Then there is a damage and prejudice
27:11against the Argentine state
27:13for having deprived him of freedom
27:15in a wrong way.
27:17And then what interests him the most
27:19is that he goes to the responsible prisoner
27:21and that's it.
27:23That's all.
27:25And another issue,
27:27another issue that is important,
27:29that has to do with how a businessman
27:31spends his days in prison,
27:33unlike people who are linked
27:35to the world of Lampa.
27:37That is, as soon as he enters,
27:39a nightmare begins,
27:41because they take him,
27:43he has money, he is a businessman,
27:45they extort him, they reduce him.
27:47Let's see, Matías,
27:49I want to ask Ricardo,
27:51you had a friendship with him,
27:53let's remember him,
27:55who is the victim
27:57and for whom you were accused.
28:00A divine flaco,
28:02a sensational kid.
28:05I don't know, I came home,
28:07I ate every day in the middle,
28:09I came to the business every day,
28:12I came to see my son play football,
28:16a barbarian kid.
28:18I didn't put anything, he was my friend,
28:19I rented the business to him,
28:21seven years ago,
28:23and we became friends.
28:26I can't do anything,
28:28I would like,
28:30it's like the doctor said,
28:32I want the murderer to be found,
28:34if not, why am I going to be here?
28:36Ricardo, and the Sequiel family,
28:38do you believe?
28:40The Sequiel family sold everything
28:42and they went to Utah,
28:44to the United States,
28:46the ex-wife and the daughter,
28:47and to me,
28:49all the witnesses,
28:51there were 33 witnesses
28:53lying about me,
28:55imagine,
28:5733,
28:59we were 39, 6 were mine,
29:0133 people making me,
29:03let's see,
29:05false testimony.
29:07No, for sure,
29:09but I say,
29:11how can it be,
29:13they didn't communicate with you,
29:15the woman from Utah,
29:17and you were lamenting.
29:19No, in the trial,
29:21they told me I was a murderer,
29:23and they lied to me,
29:25that I,
29:27I was all day,
29:29threatening the father,
29:31threatening the ex-husband.
29:33The phones went out,
29:35Ricardo, Matias,
29:37the WhatsApp calls went out,
29:39and there's nothing,
29:41they didn't find each other,
29:43to me it's very,
29:45very striking,
29:47that the prosecutor is so convinced,
29:49at the time,
29:51the prosecutor Díaz insisted,
29:53first I think it was the prosecutor of instruction,
29:55and then it was also the prosecutor of trial,
29:57because here,
29:59commonly in the province,
30:01the prosecutor of instruction is always one,
30:03or the prosecutor,
30:05then the trial is another,
30:07he worked until the end,
30:09and he continues to insist,
30:11I understand,
30:13he can't appeal the sentence,
30:15because it's a jury trial,
30:17he can't appeal the sentence,
30:19but well,
30:21and well,
30:23look at the number of witnesses
30:25who went to declare things that weren't,
30:27and well, my lawyer,
30:29in the trial,
30:31reversed the situation,
30:33in a year,
30:35I never called Ezequiel on the phone,
30:37a year,
30:39I never called Ezequiel on the phone,
30:41after ten o'clock at night,
30:43and before nine in the morning,
30:44I called him,
30:46at one in the morning,
30:48at two in the morning,
30:50at three in the morning,
30:52and well, all lies,
30:54and well, the prosecutor bought it,
30:56and so,
30:58who knows what will be armed,
31:00who will be armed,
31:02of all the false witnesses who came,
31:04you have to gather thirty-three witnesses,
31:06no, no, without a doubt,
31:08in the new hypothesis,
31:10those testimonies are linked,
31:12with that address,
31:14with that testimony,
31:16because,
31:18let's see, without blaming anyone,
31:20I mean,
31:22the disappearance of the woman,
31:24well, I'm not going to involve the daughter,
31:26the disappearance of Ezequiel's wife,
31:28does it cause any kind of strangeness to you?
31:32And well, the new hypothesis goes that way,
31:34that's why I'm quite,
31:36that's why I want to ask you,
31:38stepping on the embers,
31:40you see, without wanting to get burned,
31:42but,
31:44what are the questions I'm thinking about in this report?
31:46I mean,
31:48so many false witnesses,
31:50of course, obviously,
31:52you go to Salt Lake City,
31:54it must be Utah, I don't know,
31:56far away,
31:58I mean, Matías, am I on the right track?
32:00No, no, no.
32:02Yes, yes, you are on the right track,
32:04and that's the presentation we're working on,
32:06and it's the new hypothesis to find the responsible.
32:08That's exactly it.
32:10I totally agree.
32:11And Wasone was a person...
32:13He had a lot of money at stake.
32:15Of course, he was a person who had a lot of investments,
32:18how was it?
32:20A lot of money.
32:22A lot of money, yes, yes.
32:24Did Wasone have more money than his defendant,
32:26to put it in some way?
32:28Yes, yes, yes.
32:30He was a tenant.
32:32He's a person,
32:34he's a more influential person than where he lived,
32:36economically.
32:38Is the woman going to come and testify as a witness, Matías?
32:39We'll have to see how the prosecution takes it,
32:41the presentation we're going to do.
32:43On the one hand,
32:45they have to give him the constitutional guarantees
32:47to assist him with an indictment.
32:49Yes.
32:51Now,
32:53there's no money here that pays you three years in jail,
32:55in Batán, right?
32:57Because, generally,
32:59it's asymmetric,
33:01the suffering or the suffering,
33:03to what the State can give you later.
33:05I don't know, Matías,
33:06you said you were going to take action against the State,
33:08and against who else?
33:11No, the State is a trial of damages and perjuries.
33:13Yes.
33:15You don't get more than that.
33:17Of course.
33:19Fighting against the State is very rare.
33:21It's the time tunnel.
33:23I'm not very interested in that either.
33:25No, here, what he wants,
33:27what he wants is his good name and honor
33:29to remain, as always, impeccable,
33:31and that he be held responsible.
33:33There he will be able to sleep in peace.
33:34And at that moment,
33:36he will have all this disgust and remorse.
33:38But at least, Matías,
33:40after three years in jail.
33:42No, I mean, the recovery of the $14,000,
33:44of the money taken to the current value,
33:46I mean,
33:48Ricardo was robbed.
33:50I mean, at least let's start with that.
33:52Yes, yes.
33:54To recover...
33:56Pietro was...
33:58Yes.
34:00The prosecution at that time
34:02sent documentation to jail
34:04that the $14,000 was three days ago.
34:06Imagine, the prisoners when they found...
34:08A papi.
34:10Of course.
34:12Of course.
34:14Details that are not given.
34:16Obviously.
34:18They send you to the cage of the lions.
34:20Can I ask you why the change of name?
34:22In jail?
34:24Why the measure of protection?
34:29And they took me,
34:31they changed my name because
34:32they also didn't want me to testify.
34:35Obviously, it was convenient for me to be dead
34:38before I continued to testify.
34:41But there are a lot of people...
34:43Let's see, it generates a lot of noise for me.
34:45Who are the people behind this?
34:47Such powerful people back there?
34:49With so much power of damage?
34:51I don't know.
34:53And there was a lot of money at stake,
34:55you see, as it is.
34:57I, to me,
34:59the judge
35:00and the director of the prison
35:03put me...
35:05My name is Walter Ricardo Garrido,
35:07but they changed my last name,
35:09they put me Walter Cornali.
35:11So they took me to a pavilion
35:13where there are people of abuse,
35:15rapists,
35:17of maximum security.
35:19And well, it was worse
35:21because it's okay.
35:23I was careful,
35:25but living with
35:27that kind of
35:28people
35:30who are accused of
35:32abhorrent things
35:34was very hard.
35:36Ricardo,
35:38I can imagine,
35:40we can imagine.
35:42You said that you feel
35:44that Mar del Plata is like a big prison,
35:46but that you would go to Bataan
35:48because your friends are in jail
35:50and they recognize what they did.
35:52Now, if you go to Mar del Plata,
35:54do you feel that your life is in danger?
35:56Yes, of course.
35:58Why?
36:00Because they already killed one.
36:03They killed my friend.
36:06And the killer is released.
36:10The hitman, right?
36:12I went out...
36:14Yes, hitman, hitman.
36:16Sure.
36:18You said, I went out.
36:20This was hired.
36:22But why was something going to be expressed?
36:24You said, I went out
36:26and then you stayed.
36:28I went out
36:30well from the jail.
36:32I went out,
36:34but when I left
36:36the new society,
36:38they turned my face.
36:41It's like that.
36:43So,
36:45I don't know what's going to happen.
36:47I don't want to be in Mar del Plata anymore.
36:49Sure, sure.
36:51That's the thing.
36:53To protect your integrity,
36:55so that they don't shoot you
36:56because they're going to turn your face,
36:58which...
37:00They already turned my face,
37:02but I don't care.
37:04Do you know why I don't care?
37:06Because I have the most important thing,
37:08which is my family,
37:10my children, who believe me.
37:12And that's enough.
37:14The one who went to Spain,
37:16he also went because he was afraid
37:18that they would take action against him
37:20while you were in jail?
37:22Of course.
37:24And of course, if he was the owner of the business.
37:26The business was in his name.
37:28Of course.
37:30And besides, he left because
37:32he experienced a situation,
37:34the father,
37:36that everyone
37:38told my son,
37:40this, that,
37:42how could your father do this?
37:44How is he going to do this?
37:46It's a lot of pressure for a son.
37:48Were you threatened?
37:50No.
37:52Now, Guille,
37:54this is so exciting
37:56and you're leaving.
37:58I apologize.
38:00You entered prison as a businessman.
38:02Yes.
38:04And what did you get out of it?
38:06What do you have today?
38:08Nothing.
38:10What is nothing?
38:12I left five or six months ago
38:14and for the last three years
38:16my mother's retirement
38:18has kept me.
38:24That's how it is.
38:26How old are you?
38:28And I came here
38:3086.
38:33And I guess it must be
38:35from the Spanish who came here
38:37with one hand behind and the other in front.
38:39Exactly.
38:41All that history.
38:43Exactly.
38:45Yes, yes, not to mention
38:47a strong old woman
38:50gave birth to a strong son
38:52and I'm going to start again.
38:54I have to start again.
38:56But in the situations,
38:58day to day,
39:00that's the truth.
39:02My children helped me,
39:04my ex-wife helped me,
39:06my brother,
39:08who was always there
39:10giving me a plate of food
39:12while I was in prison
39:14because I asked the judge
39:16to let me work
39:18and he didn't let me work.
39:19I opened, being a gastronomist
39:21at the door of my house,
39:23I opened a grill
39:25with a choripanero
39:27and he closed it
39:29because he told me
39:31I couldn't be in contact
39:33with people.
39:35And well,
39:37they were cutting me
39:39a lot of possibilities
39:41of income
39:43and well,
39:45now I don't know
39:47what I'm going to do.
39:50No, yes, yes, yes,
39:52I'm going to start again
39:54here in Buenos Aires.
39:56I'm living in the apartment
39:58of my youngest son
40:00who told me,
40:02Dad, come here.
40:04And Matias,
40:06Pietro,
40:08it closed,
40:10it works,
40:12what happened
40:14with the restaurant
40:16so important?
40:17It's a building,
40:19I think it's a building, isn't it?
40:21Can you see it?
40:23Yes, the building below
40:25is the restaurant.
40:27The whole building
40:29was of Ezequiel Guasone.
40:31There we began to see
40:33the importance of the place
40:35and if you say that the whole building
40:37was of Guasone.
40:39He built it.
40:41Ezequiel built it.
40:43Yes, Ezequiel built
40:45the building.
40:47That's why
40:49we started without knowing much
40:51and now we know that here,
40:53as Matias said,
40:55there is a plot
40:57where there is a lot of money
40:59in the middle,
41:01obviously, isn't it?
41:03Yes, of course.
41:05And getting rid of Guasone
41:07was the easiest way
41:09for people to stay
41:11with all the things
41:13of Ezequiel.
41:15Guasone was addicted, wasn't he?
41:17He was addicted.
41:20He was addicted.
41:23Sometimes yes,
41:25sometimes no, I don't know.
41:27I have to ask you a question
41:29because I'm missing part of the statement.
41:31But wait, did you throw it away?
41:33No, no, because I'm missing...
41:35Because he's reading, of course.
41:37Yes, I'm missing part of the statement
41:39in which, you can deny it,
41:41you would have said
41:43that you would have provided
41:44for Guasone.
41:46Is that right?
41:48Did you state that at the time?
41:50Yes, I did.
41:52And how was that relationship?
41:54Let's say, in a framework
41:56of friendship,
41:58did you provide drugs?
42:00And yes, he came every day
42:02to my business.
42:04And sometimes, well,
42:06he had a relapse.
42:08He was sick
42:10and well,
42:12I helped him with what I could,
42:14but also,
42:16I gave him food.
42:18In the pandemic,
42:20poor him,
42:22I gave him food all the time.
42:24He was powerful,
42:26he had a lot of money,
42:28but he was also hungry at the same time.
42:30No, but he didn't work.
42:32He didn't work.
42:34He had properties,
42:36but he lived very much during the day.
42:38That's why he wanted to sell this property.
42:40Can crime be related to drug trafficking?
42:41No.
42:43No, no.
42:45It's an economic motive.
42:47An economic motive.
42:49Addiction was a matter
42:51that had nothing to do with it.
42:53No, no.
42:55In fact, he said it.
42:57There is no other element.
42:59I don't think it was for one side
43:01or the other.
43:03Matías, an economic motive
43:05that is circumscribed
43:07to the Mar Platense area?
43:09Yes, yes, exactly.
43:11This is a hypothesis
43:13that we are bringing to the prosecutor's office.
43:15A money, sorry, in Europe
43:17that belongs to Guasone
43:19and someone else
43:21sharing an account?
43:23Exactly, in a company.
43:25No, no, he was the only one
43:27in a company.
43:29Good.
43:31Is that money safeguarded
43:33or someone charges interest?
43:35No, no, they took it.
43:37They took it from the bank.
43:39What?
43:41They took it from the bank.
43:43I was busy with him
43:45and now we are going
43:47to make them take care
43:49of the real responsibility
43:51and the new hypothesis.
43:53Matías, is that money movement
43:55after death or before?
43:57The crime, sorry.
43:59Eight months after death.
44:01And there...
44:03It's a simultaneous sale.
44:05Yes.
44:07Do you fully know
44:09by name and last name
44:11and surname?
44:13Yes, yes.
44:15I had it too.
44:17I just wanted to deepen
44:19what he gave me.
44:21I didn't know anyone.
44:23No one listened to him.
44:25He screamed in the desert.
44:27Now they will listen to him.
44:29They are listening to him now
44:31thanks to you, right?
44:33Let's see, because of the tension,
44:35because of the rating,
44:37because of everything,
44:39people have learned a lot
44:41and he is going to tell me,
44:43what a novel, man.
44:45I lived it in Batán,
44:47they fucked me,
44:49three years,
44:51with all due respect,
44:53and here we have to heal
44:55a lot of things that you said
44:57more than in the body,
44:59in the soul.
45:01And yes, you see,
45:03it was a struggle.
45:05For me it's an achievement today.
45:07It's a beginning today.
45:09It's a beginning.
45:11The other one,
45:13it was a movie that I went through.
45:15I already went through it,
45:17but today, thanks to you,
45:19thanks to the doctor,
45:21well, people can know this story.
45:24Because I don't want it to be impure.
45:32Sometimes I tell my children,
45:36when they tell me,
45:38it's hot, look,
45:39I went through hell,
45:41and I came out.
45:44So, you have to move forward.
45:47No, for sure.
45:49And if you had to think
45:52about talking to someone
45:54directly to the camera,
45:56without being threatening,
45:58if I go for you,
46:00but what do you want to say
46:02and to whom?
46:04Maybe without naming him,
46:06as you want.
46:07Don't call it revenge,
46:09but your search for justice.
46:11Who do we start with?
46:15Well,
46:19and
46:21the first person I'd start with
46:23would be the prosecutor.
46:25What would you tell her?
46:29That she was wrong
46:31and that I forgive her.
46:34Do you put another cheek on her?
46:37Of course.
46:41She's going to fall.
46:43Everything comes back.
46:46She did her job wrong.
46:50I'm not someone
46:52to punish her,
46:55but
46:57I'd tell her
46:59that she was wrong with me,
47:01my mother went to ask her a thousand times
47:04to look for the investigation line,
47:05to open the cameras,
47:07that I was in a hotel,
47:09I was 55,000 square meters from the bed,
47:14she didn't open my phone,
47:16she left me locked up,
47:19she didn't want to give me anything.
47:22And well,
47:24I'd start with her,
47:26because she's the one
47:28who did things wrong.
47:31And then,
47:33obviously,
47:35I'd start with the false witnesses
47:37who lied,
47:39one by one,
47:41like Soprano,
47:43Natalia Soprano,
47:45who lied to me.
47:47Who's Natalia Soprano?
47:49The one who pointed a gun at her.
47:51Who is she?
47:53The one who deceived me,
47:55the real estate agent,
47:57a certain Pablo,
47:59Pablo,
48:01I don't remember his last name,
48:03Pablo,
48:05Mariano Lopez,
48:07the loan shark,
48:09from Morea,
48:11the one from the Morea office,
48:13and so I'd go down,
48:15then Luis Escolar,
48:17and so on.
48:20All lies,
48:22all people who,
48:24including my brother,
48:26Luis Escolar,
48:28he's my son's godfather.
48:30He let go of my hand,
48:32he wasn't able to feed my son
48:33while I was in prison.
48:35Ricardo,
48:37what do you wish for them?
48:39Three years in prison,
48:41for them to admit
48:43that they were wrong.
48:45What do you want for them?
48:49No, what I want is that,
48:52no, that,
48:54the justice system should know
48:56that they should pay for their mistakes,
48:58like I did.
49:00They should pay for their mistakes,
49:01someone has to pay for their mistakes,
49:03the injustice they did to me.
49:05Yes.
49:07They have to pay for it,
49:09because you said,
49:11I'm a guerrilla,
49:13and I'm going to keep fighting.
49:15You know, Guille,
49:17excuse me again,
49:19I was just talking to,
49:21excuse me,
49:23I was talking to him earlier,
49:25and the things he tells me about Batan,
49:27I say that there,
49:29I don't know what,
49:31I don't know what else,
49:33Ricardo,
49:35how are the nights in Batan?
49:37You can't sleep,
49:39because every,
49:41every three hours
49:43they come to check on you.
49:45But,
49:47the scream of a garrador
49:49always from a room,
49:51sorry, not a room,
49:53a dungeon,
49:55is terrible.
49:57You can't sleep.
49:59Scream of what?
50:01For,
50:03for things they do to other prisoners,
50:05for fights.
50:07Punishments, rapes,
50:09did you refer to that?
50:11Punishments,
50:13yes, of course.
50:15There are many codes.
50:18Do you understand?
50:20I've seen abhorrent things,
50:22and I'm not going to tell you,
50:24of grabbing people in the shower
50:26and doing things to them,
50:28forget it.
50:29Terrible.
50:31I don't think you watch the movies.
50:33I can't tell you.
50:35No, no.
50:37They've done to me,
50:39they've done to me a lot of things.
50:41I've also had good times,
50:43because they've helped me a lot.
50:45It's like you watch the movies.
50:47No, worse.
50:49Worse, it's worse,
50:51because the prisoner is all day
50:54so he's all day watching
50:56to see who he's going to do something to.
50:57To see who he's going to fuck.
50:59Observing,
51:01to see who he's going to fuck,
51:03to see who he's going to do,
51:05who he's going to steal something from.
51:07The guy who steals,
51:09he likes to steal.
51:11And the guy who rapes,
51:13what do you think he's going to do in jail?
51:15Yes.
51:17Matias,
51:19to close,
51:21I'll ask you a question,
51:23I admit it can be capricious,
51:25can a prosecutor
51:27heal himself so much
51:30with good faith?
51:34Yes, it happens.
51:36It happens because
51:38when the prosecution takes an indictment,
51:41they think about it
51:43before everything else.
51:45So when they keep it,
51:47they keep it,
51:49after a while they do it.
51:51I don't think the prosecutor has anything personal with him.
51:53He made a mistake and on that basis,
51:55let's remember that in Candela,
51:57for example,
51:59there were 10 prisoners.
52:01And I defended one,
52:03the guy told me,
52:05I don't know what you're talking about,
52:07and they kept him there,
52:09the woman died of cancer,
52:11and if it weren't for the Morón Appeal Chamber,
52:13he would still be in jail.
52:15And why did this happen?
52:17Because the prosecutor made a terrible,
52:19ridiculous, incoherent, incongruent indictment,
52:21and then they have to support it
52:23because they would have to say
52:25that they themselves said something wrong.
52:27When a prosecutor says something,
52:29he doesn't erase it with his elbow.
52:31They keep it,
52:33and then all this mess happens.
52:35And unfortunately,
52:37this is closer to the Kafka process,
52:39this didn't just happen with Ricardo.
52:41Now, at this moment,
52:43there are prisoners in jail who went through this,
52:45and tomorrow we'll see
52:47that there are totally innocent people
52:49who have absolutely nothing to do with it.
52:51And sometimes they don't have
52:53his financial means,
52:55his charisma,
52:57or his willpower,
52:59or his strength.
53:01There are people who are defeated,
53:03who say,
53:05I didn't go, don't fight.
53:07It's like you have a disease,
53:09like you have cancer,
53:11and you don't fight anymore.
53:13So this also has to be done
53:15to analyze how many people are detained
53:17and how many innocent people there are.
53:19Look,
53:21there are few innocent statistics,
53:23honestly,
53:25there aren't many,
53:27but it's true.
53:29When I finished
53:31the trial, which lasted five days
53:33by jury,
53:35I was shaken,
53:37because it was four days
53:39of hearing nonsense
53:41that they were saying about me.
53:43I had the police by my side
53:45who supported me
53:47and told me not to worry.
53:49But when
53:51the jury told me
53:53that I was innocent,
53:55it was like I felt a relief.
53:57The judge told me,
53:59sir, from now on
54:01you can take your bracelet off
54:03and leave,
54:05because you are innocent.
54:07I was shaken.
54:09I didn't want to fight.
54:11I didn't want to continue.
54:13And
54:15that's why I thank my mother
54:17who gave me more strength
54:19to tell me,
54:21don't leave this case unpunished.
54:23Ricardo,
54:25and Matias,
54:27Ricardo,
54:29if you had
54:31the chance
54:33to have your friend alive,
54:35to be able to hug him,
54:37what would you like to tell him?
54:39What would you like to promise him,
54:41or tell him,
54:43or whatever comes to your mind?
54:45That
54:49Flaco,
54:51I love you very much
54:53and I know that from up there
54:55you are helping me.
54:57And we are going to find
54:59who it was.
55:02That's what I would tell him.
55:04And that
55:06I know that you are helping me.
55:08I know that you are helping me
55:10because he was a friend of mine.
55:12We loved each other.
55:14No matter what people say,
55:16we lived many things
55:18that nobody knows.
55:21God willing,
55:23I hope so.
55:25Are you a believer?
55:27Yes.
55:29In the corner of my new house,
55:31in my son's house,
55:33I have a square called
55:35La Virgencita.
55:37It's amazing
55:39what that Virgencita has helped me.
55:41Nothing is casual,
55:43right?
55:45No, nothing is casual.
55:47I heard the other day that
55:49casuality is an act of God
55:51that doesn't leave its mark.
55:53Exactly.
55:55You are right, Guillermo.
55:57Welcome.
55:59Welcome to Libertad
56:01and may we enjoy
56:03the next Saturday.
56:07May justice be done
56:09because probably your friend
56:11saw, the last thing he saw
56:13was him or the murderers
56:15who ended his life.
56:17Probably.
56:19And I hope we all know
56:21and that the next talk,
56:23Ricardo and Matias,
56:25is with that certainty
56:28Thank you, Guillermo,
56:30for your time and for listening to us.
56:34Have a good day.
56:36Thank you, Dr. Morla.
56:38See you later.
56:40Thank you, Fabi.
56:42What a story, right?
56:44When we tell you every day
56:46what our work is about,
56:48beyond talking about time,
56:50the Argentine national team,
56:52the economy,
56:54what happens to us daily
56:55also feeds, I think,
56:57basically,
56:59this.
57:01To know what happens
57:03to people.
57:05To make those acts visible,
57:07obviously unfair,
57:09and now
57:11we have to give them
57:13that important portion of justice
57:15that made a person suffer,
57:17in this case, three years in prison
57:19with all the vicissitudes
57:21he told and those he didn't want to tell,
57:23which we suppose are worse.
57:25Between those who now
57:27have to give him justice
57:29and the one who suffered it,
57:31this man we all know,
57:33Ricardo Aguerrido.
57:36Nothing less.
57:38Now, more than ever,
57:40as we said,
57:42he should put a badge
57:44on his last name.
57:46We are all stunned, right?
57:48Very strong, all of us.
57:50But justice, right?
57:52I think you were thinking
57:53about it, right?
57:55Yes, no, no,
57:57and besides,
57:59the issue of how it is raised,
58:01yes, I was thinking about it
58:03and it's really tremendous.
58:05And you won't go back to the city?
58:07There can't be impunity.
58:09Guasone is the first victim
58:11and today he doesn't have
58:13an intellectual author
58:15or material authors.
58:17What happens with justice?
58:19And besides, everything this man
58:21said that you see in the movies
58:23during these three years.
58:25Terrible.