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00:00Asalaamu Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya's Mohammad Malik.
00:30You have heard the announcement, this committee has also been announced.
00:32Reema Khan Sahiba has announced, former Prime Minister Imran Khan has said that Ali Amin
00:38Gandapur and Gaur Khan, who is the Chairman of PTI, their committee will talk, whom handlers
00:45will nominate.
00:46And handlers, you know, whenever they talk, they are talking about the habit of the army.
00:51Although when they talk to the PTI people, they do not take names, they just say establishment.
00:55Anyways, that is also happening, but first let me share the news, what is happening behind
01:01the scenes.
01:02The interesting thing is that the government's tough statements are coming, they will also
01:07share with you, but the lists have been made.
01:10According to my information, a list of 700 people has been made at the moment, who are
01:15related to Punjab, who will be picked up in the next 1-2 days, and what we are getting
01:22is that the crackdown will start on Thursday.
01:25There is a list of 700 and a list of 60 people has been made, who are the leaders of the first
01:31and second tier of PTI.
01:33Among these 700, there are active workers, there are people of the organizing level on
01:38the second and third tier, there are some MNAs, MPAs, but they are not so prominent people.
01:44There are 60 prominent people who are being finalized so far, there are 700 overall, and
01:50the bulk of them are from Punjab.
01:52But the information we are getting so far is that the crackdown will start on Friday,
01:58and they are looking at what is happening here, and what is not happening in the center.
02:02Today, the Apex Committee was held, and there were Army Chiefs, Prime Minister, and 4 Ministers.
02:10And then later on, Khawaja Asif Sahib, while speaking in the program, said that when 99%
02:17of the people were speaking, Ali Min Ghindapur Sahib, he spoke on terrorism, and 1% and
02:22that too just a little bit, that of Imran Khan, and what is happening with the party, everything is happening.
02:28Now, the priorities of the government's army are very clear, a meeting has just taken place,
02:32and at night, with the Army Chief, the Chief Minister of Balochistan was having dinner.
02:37So, obviously, there are talks on the decisions of the Apex Committee.
02:41The date of 24th November has come to an end, and Imran Khan's press release has categorically said that
02:53there will be no delay, no delay, this is a final call.
02:57And what did he say about the committee?
02:59And what did the announcer, Aleema Khan, say?
03:04Imran Khan has also said that today, Ali Amin Ghindapur, Barrister Gauhar had come to him,
03:15he has asked for permission, that you give us permission to start discussions.
03:20Imran Khan has said that yes, political parties always keep the doors open, but the only three-point agenda
03:28that they have been saying from the beginning is this, rule of law, which means our judiciary.
03:32Secondly, the vote that has been stolen, should be returned.
03:36Thirdly, the innocent people who are in prison, should be released.
03:43Okay, when the announcement was made on the day of 24th November,
03:46Aleema Khan Sahiba also told us about it.
03:48She also said that Khansahab had said on that day that we are having negotiations,
03:52and we are seeing one thing common, that Imran Khan is repeatedly talking about negotiations.
03:57And even today, he said that the handlers will do it later,
04:00a leadership committee will negotiate with them according to three demands.
04:05If the issues are solved through negotiations, then what can be better than this?
04:09But along with that, he also took a hard line.
04:11He said that our community has now become a revolutionary community,
04:14and only a revolution can get the country out of the mud of issues.
04:19And he also gave a warning to his party in Indian movies,
04:24he also categorically said that whoever does not come out on 24th November,
04:28will be out of the party.
04:30No matter how old the party is, there is no place for it.
04:34This protest is a test for the party and party leaders.
04:38And he said, protest as much as you can, and remain peaceful.
04:43Government on the other hand, is very clear in this matter.
04:46And what is their view, listen to what Irfan Siddiqui is saying,
04:52and what Khwaja Asif has said, because 9th May is coming again and again.
04:58And 9th May is a very interesting situation.
05:01The decision that was given in the Supreme Court on 9th May,
05:04which was also challenged by the government,
05:06when they told 103 civilians that their trial should not be in the military court,
05:11but in the courts of jurisdiction.
05:12And at that time, an order was issued that this case should be filed in January 2024.
05:17Now we are in November 2024.
05:20It has been 11 months since that decision.
05:24Now, Khosla Sahib has also moved an application for an early trial.
05:29And interestingly, there is a Baloch Shodha Front.
05:32You know how these fronts are made, suddenly out of the blue.
05:37Anyways, they have also appealed early.
05:40But there is a big difference between these two appeals.
05:43The Shodha Front wants that decision to be blown.
05:48That there should be a military trial of the civilians.
05:51The Shodha Forum wants that decision to be blown and that there should be a trial.
05:58Khosla Sahib is obviously trying to get a decision made against him.
06:04So that Imran Khan Sahib's sword-wielding military trial ends.
06:08Because it is being said again and again that General Faiz's decision will come in a few days.
06:16So after that, maybe in the light of his statements, another guillotine thing will come.
06:24And Imran Khan should also be taken in a military trial.
06:27So listen, on May 9th, I am saying that why is the Supreme Court sitting quietly?
06:32Everything comes and stops on May 9th.
06:34Listen to what the Defense Minister said.
06:39Do you think that before November 24, an issue will be settled between Imran Khan and the establishment?
06:45If Imran Khan wants to do it, I think he will have to cross the bridge on 9th May.
06:51He will have to cross it.
06:53I have told you very clearly that he will have to cross the obstacle or bridge on 9th May.
07:01They say that we did nothing on 9th May, they conspired against us.
07:05Then I don't think the situation will be able to improve.
07:09May 9th, the government says it is a red line, the establishment says it is a red line.
07:14But the Chief Justice of Pakistan has made Khadija Shah a member of the Jail Reforms Committee.
07:22And we have talked about this many times before.
07:26On one hand, you say that the sky has fallen on 9th May.
07:30On the other hand, the Chief Justice of Pakistan is making the accused a member of his committee.
07:35And he is still an under-trial prisoner.
07:36This is also the unique thing about Pakistan.
07:38But first listen to Irfan Siddiqui, you will also find out the temperament of the government.
07:42Because when Irfan Siddiqui speaks, he says that he reflects the mind and thoughts of Nawaz Sharif.
07:50Which negotiations?
07:51Negotiations with whom?
07:51Those negotiations with whom they want to negotiate, they should know.
07:54They have already given two conditions.
07:55First, apologize.
07:56Then, if you want to negotiate, do it with politicians.
07:58They do not have a first or last final call.
08:01Before this, they have given at least 10-12 final calls.
08:05This call is only for one purpose.
08:07It is not going to happen that bloodshed, corpses fall, and their work is done in this haste.
08:13Why is the government saying that bloodshed, corpses fall, this is their plan?
08:18This was elaborated a little by their senior leader, Javed Latif, in our show yesterday.
08:23So, you quickly listen to what he is saying.
08:24What is their logic?
08:25Why do they think that PTI is only coming to ruin blood?
08:31Which big show can happen in 10 days?
08:34There is no preparation in 10 days.
08:35How can you say that 20,000 people will come, 10,000 people will come?
08:40How can you bring people without mentally preparing them?
08:44Only a few thousand people will be there, who will be well-trained.
08:49Out of the 6,000 people who had left, many of them will also be included.
08:53And people will also come from your border cross.
08:56The only reason is that they want some corpses to fall.
09:00And we should show the world how human rights are being violated here.
09:07And the issue of human rights, I will discuss that in the next program.
09:10What is the real problem with the government?
09:13Everyone is talking about 24th November.
09:15Everyone is talking about what will happen, what will not happen.
09:17The government has also shown a big bravado that it will be seen,
09:20if they let it come, they will talk.
09:22But the real problem is what is happening in the US Congress.
09:25The Congressmen have written two letters.
09:28Why are they alarming letters?
09:29We will discuss that in the next program.
09:30Let me introduce my guest first.
09:32He is Taimur Jhagra from PTI.
09:34Former Finance and Health Minister, KP.
09:36Thank you very much Taimur for joining us.
09:38Dr. Afnanullah has joined us.
09:41He is a member of the Senate of PMLN.
09:43He has also joined us on the phone.
09:44But he will also come to the studio in a while.
09:47He is a senior leader of PMLN.
09:49And we will be joined by Kamal Zaman Kaira.
09:51Former advisor to PM on Kashmir Face.
09:53He is the central leader of People's Party.
09:57Taimur, let's start with you.
10:01Irfan Siddiqui, Rana Sinaullah, Khawaja Asim,
10:08and Mian Javed Ali have said that nothing happens in 10 days.
10:12How can such a big procession take place?
10:14They say that Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman came,
10:16he worked for 6 months, and then the procession took place.
10:18When Imran Khan came in 2014,
10:22it took him 40 days and he was Imran Khan.
10:25I mean charismatic, proud, everything.
10:28It took him 40 days.
10:29When you are coming,
10:31basically the government is saying that you are desperate.
10:36If anyone shows up, if a few corpses fall,
10:39then the soldiers themselves will talk to us.
10:41No one is talking to us anyway.
10:43Will we be able to do such a big thing in 10 days?
10:45Yes, Malik Sahib, two or three things.
10:47First, why is everyone saying in the government
10:50that the PTI protest will be violent?
10:54They make it on May 9th.
10:56Give me time on May 9th.
10:58But let me answer your question.
11:00They are saying that it will be violent
11:03because they want to justify the violence against them.
11:08They are ready.
11:09They say that we will be very strict.
11:12Your lists have been made in Punjab.
11:14And you know what is happening in Punjab.
11:16It has happened before too.
11:18If you look at the last two years,
11:21the track record is of the government.
11:23In fact, I have just seen it.
11:24It was circulated on the PTV Twitter account
11:27that those who take part in the protest
11:33or those who take students,
11:35their identity cards and their admissions will be cancelled.
11:38Adolf Hitler may not have done the same.
11:41I will tell all my supporters from where they will leave the PTI.
11:45We have to leave.
11:46On the 24th, Imran Khan has said that we have to remain peaceful
11:49so that the government is exposed.
11:51Exposed again.
11:53The PTI has always remained peaceful.
11:55If you want to see on May 9th,
11:57I just saw the footage that they released.
12:01There were some people in it
12:03whom you can link to specific crimes.
12:06Arson, burning etc.
12:09Prosecute him.
12:10I did not see this footage
12:13that where Imran Khan is planning.
12:15I did not see this footage
12:17that any known face of the PTI is burning.
12:23In fact, in the same government released footage
12:26that we are talking about,
12:28I saw these masked people actually burning fire.
12:35Now, Khawaja Asif will not say that
12:39the main case of Peshawar
12:42in which we were charged with terrorism and murder,
12:45that has been thrown out of the courts.
12:48When it comes to elections,
12:50you say that the courts will give you justice.
12:52Go and get justice from the tribunal.
12:55When the courts decide,
12:57you remain silent.
12:58But now, Sardar Nadeem Khosla has moved an application
13:02for an early hearing.
13:03This is the military trial scene.
13:05This will go to the INA Bench.
13:08You get relief from the INA Bench.
13:10I do not see it.
13:11So, why are you asking for a decision on it?
13:12It cannot be reversed.
13:14I do not know and I agree with you.
13:17Internal debate is still going on on the party channels.
13:23In fact, the same point that you raised,
13:25shows that on 24th November,
13:29the government has written instability
13:33in the immediate future of Pakistan.
13:39There is a decision that the Balochistan Shodha Forum wants
13:44to make an early decision.
13:46Mr. Khosla is also making a decision.
13:48We have an idea of what will happen.
13:51I agree with you.
13:52This was the internal discussion of the lawyers
13:56and the internal senior leadership group.
13:59It is like expecting Shahbaz Sharif to agree
14:05or Nawaz Sharif to give an impartial verdict.
14:10How will he do it?
14:11This is a military court trial.
14:16This is an opportunity to rectify some things in our system.
14:21If after this crisis,
14:24every party starts playing its role in our system,
14:29ultimately, it will be a military trial.
14:31How do you justify this?
14:32You are talking about democracy and other things.
14:35How do you justify the demand to talk to the military leadership?
14:41It is simple.
14:42In principle, by the way,
14:43if the government comes to power one day,
14:48then it should not talk to the military leadership.
14:50The politicians can talk to the politicians.
14:52If Nawaz Sharif talks to Musharraf,
14:55then he is wrong.
14:57If other people talk to the army,
14:59then it is wrong.
14:59If you talk to them, then it is fine.
15:00You are going too far.
15:01They also have land.
15:02They will talk at their time.
15:04No, every party has made mistakes.
15:08But we cannot fix it in practice.
15:10We can fix it in the future.
15:12When Mr. Khan says that we have to talk to those who have the power,
15:16like you said,
15:17we call it the establishment and you call it the army.
15:21Either they talk to themselves
15:23or they talk to those who have the power.
15:25We all want the army and the establishment
15:29to distance themselves from the people.
15:33Pakistan cannot afford that.
15:35At least we have Mr. Qarai with us.
15:37Assalamu Alaikum, Mr. Qarai.
15:39Walaikum Assalam, Mr. Malik.
15:41Sir, I was listening to Mr. Shah.
15:46He said that there should be a right to protest
15:51and the PTI should do it.
15:53People's Party point has come.
15:54If there is any violence,
15:56then the law should be enforced.
15:59You are walking in both directions.
16:01Sir, this is also right, that is also right.
16:04Why don't you get them to talk to the army?
16:08Why don't you become the bridge?
16:12Mr. Malik, you just said that the army should not talk.
16:17And the army will not talk to a stranger.
16:20And the PTI also wants to embarrass the army.
16:23They don't want to talk, they want to embarrass.
16:25They want to embarrass us and the army
16:28with the excuse that we will talk to them.
16:30To say that you are directly protesting,
16:32you have to talk to them.
16:36No, I am saying this because why don't you get it done?
16:39Then you want that one...
16:42I think the line has dropped.
16:46Mr. Afnan has also come on the line.
16:50If Senator Afnan has come, then tell me.
16:54I don't know if there is any conversation going on at any level.
16:59The level at which the establishment and Mr. Gandapur are talking,
17:06it is not at the level at which decisions can be made.
17:10It is only at that level that the message is being conveyed,
17:15but it is not in the position of decisions.
17:17Do you know, are you encouraging
17:20these low-level contracts or mid-level contracts?
17:22You are not allowing any conversation to take place.
17:27In the name of God, the most merciful, the most merciful.
17:29If they want to talk to each other,
17:34then obviously we cannot stop it,
17:37nor is it a facilitating role for us.
17:39This communication channel has been open before,
17:44but as a political worker,
17:48I understand that if PTI,
17:53which they did in the last few years,
17:55it has been exactly 9 months,
17:57or other issues,
17:59if they are still talked to,
18:03then it will be a big victory for PTI and Imran Khan,
18:06and a big defeat for the establishment.
18:09If they still want to do it,
18:12then it is their decision, we cannot say anything more.
18:17This is what the world is saying.
18:19I know one thing,
18:21you bring up May 9th again and again.
18:25A federal minister of your level, Mr. Aad Cheema,
18:29he is sitting in a committee with a convict on May 9th,
18:32in the Jail Reforms Committee,
18:34and now he will go to jail with them.
18:36On one hand, he is sitting in committees with convicts on May 9th,
18:40and going to jail reforms committees.
18:42On the other hand, he says that if there is no pardon on May 9th,
18:46then it should be decided before that.
18:48This is a big contradiction in your stance, isn't it?
18:53Look, the thing is that the people who have been involved in May 9th,
18:59the cases that are going on,
19:03will be decided by the court.
19:05But as a political party,
19:07an issue like this should be orchestrated,
19:09as they did,
19:11and this is not just one incident in my opinion.
19:13Before this, there was an attack on the Parliament,
19:16an attack on PTV,
19:18and after that,
19:20there was a continuous spread of violence in other places.
19:24And this continued,
19:26and then on May 9th,
19:28this happened.
19:30So, keeping all these things in mind,
19:32we should look at the matter.
19:34If we are meeting someone,
19:36the committee you are referring to,
19:38that is our,
19:40you know who made the committee.
19:42Chief Justice made it.
19:44So, you can apologize.
19:46There is no compulsion.
19:48Chief Justice made it.
19:50You will say that this is our principle stance.
19:52There was a conspiracy against the country on May 9th.
19:54We will not sit with its accused.
19:56So, Chief Justice says not to sit.
19:58Your people also ran and sat in the committee.
20:03Look, the thing is that
20:05this is a debatable issue,
20:07what you are saying.
20:09But, of course,
20:11there is no definitive policy of the party.
20:13I think that
20:15instead of keeping it at an individual level,
20:17it is more important to keep it
20:19at a party level
20:21and look at the matter.
20:23If you look at it at a party level,
20:25they have not apologized for it.
20:27In fact,
20:29they have said that we have not done it.
20:31Some of their leaders say that
20:33PMLN has done it.
20:35Some leaders say that the establishment has done it.
20:37So, when you are in such a situation
20:39and you are also threatening the state
20:41that we will die,
20:43we will die,
20:45if our dead body does not come,
20:47then you can offer our funerals.
20:49When you are giving
20:51such indoctrination
20:53to your people at the same time.
20:55So, tell me about May 9th.
20:57Faiz Isa Sahib was such a simple Chief Justice.
20:59At that time, the Judicial Benches
21:01were not there.
21:03Why didn't you feel then?
21:05At that time, the government was in danger
21:07that if the numbers do not favor,
21:09the Judicial Benches
21:11will make the decision permanent
21:13and then this weapon will be removed
21:15so that Imran Khan's military trial can be done.
21:21The matter of 9th of May
21:23is in the courts.
21:25You tell me,
21:27the matters of all the leaders involved
21:29are in the courts.
21:31The government
21:33has to prosecute them
21:35and take the matter forward.
21:37Apart from this,
21:39the court has to decide the decision.
21:41We do not have this role
21:43to adjudicate the matter.
21:45Those who have the role,
21:47will do it.
21:49You saw that relief was also given
21:51at different places.
21:53And the matter of facilitation
21:55was cut off.
21:57Okay, tell me this.
21:59Mr. Kayra has also been connected.
22:01Yesterday,
22:03Imran Khan's application
22:05for bail was filed in Tusha Khana.
22:07If the bail is done tomorrow,
22:09will it be an interesting coincidence
22:11or will the government be shocked
22:13that the establishment has
22:15got the bail done.
22:17If the bail is done tomorrow,
22:19how much trouble will you face?
22:23Look,
22:25we don't have much trouble.
22:27We are a political party.
22:29We have faced many upheavals
22:31as a political party in the past.
22:33And we will do it again.
22:35But keep in mind that
22:37it will not be our defeat.
22:39It will be someone else's
22:41if this happens.
22:43Because,
22:45if one party
22:47twists the arm of the state,
22:49blackmails them
22:51and then takes favours from them,
22:53what precedent are you setting
22:55for the rest of the people?
22:57This is another angle
22:59to negotiate with the state.
23:01The second angle is that
23:03the state is not taking care
23:05of the people it trusts.
23:07This is why Imran Khan
23:09has become more powerful.
23:11Mr. Kayra has joined us again.
23:13Mr. Kayra,
23:15I was asking
23:17if the government announces
23:19that there will be a massive crackdown,
23:21especially in Punjab,
23:23and obviously
23:25Islamabad is the target
23:27of the PTI.
23:29Then where will the People's Party stand?
23:31You have been campaigning
23:33for the right of protest.
23:35Will you support the government
23:37here as well?
23:39Because at the end of the day,
23:41the government is only standing
23:43on your support and votes.
23:45In the parliament.
23:47Mr. Malik,
23:49we are standing with the government
23:51in the parliament
23:53and there is no room
23:55for a new crackdown.
23:57Therefore, we should
23:59take care of the situation.
24:01The second thing is that
24:03if a government
24:05is saying that
24:07there is no need
24:09for a crackdown,
24:11then their chief minister
24:13along with his cabinet
24:15should sit
24:17in their government
24:19and take care
24:21of the situation.
24:23They should decide
24:25that they will go
24:27with violence,
24:29we will build walls,
24:31we will capture Islamabad,
24:33we will disrupt it.
24:35These are slogans.
24:37You have seen their statements
24:39and we have seen them.
24:41If the government has this news
24:43and they do not have a problem
24:45with it,
24:47and if this happens tomorrow,
24:49then what will Mr. Malik
24:51and I say to them?
24:53That this government
24:55is so useless,
24:57they knew that they let
24:59a crowd gather.
25:01Tomorrow, they will go
25:03and capture the president's house.
25:05Should the government
25:07allow this?
25:09Should the government
25:11allow this in the name
25:13of protest,
25:15assembly and union?
25:17But Mr. Kaira, tell me one thing.
25:19A small thing, Mr. Malik.
25:21If you want to hold an assembly,
25:23then do it.
25:25If you want to hold an assembly,
25:27then do it.
25:29But tell me one thing,
25:31there is a deadlock
25:33right now.
25:35Everyone knows that there is a deadlock.
25:37It is a very serious deadlock.
25:39It seems that
25:41there is only one solution left,
25:43that there should be an early election.
25:45You can negotiate on that.
25:47You can leave it for a couple of years.
25:49You can leave it for a couple of years.
25:51As a seasoned politician,
25:53except for fresh elections,
25:55there can be a debate on timing.
25:57Do you see any solution?
25:59Because there are
26:01controversial elections,
26:03there is no doubt about it.
26:05Mr. Malik, I have a request.
26:07You have won your seats.
26:09You have won your seats.
26:11You don't have a problem.
26:13This is a PMLN issue.
26:15This is a Punjab issue.
26:17This is your issue, not mine.
26:19I have a parliament seat issue.
26:21My party has a lot of issues.
26:23But this is not our topic of discussion right now.
26:25The question is that
26:27Mr. Khan was not planning
26:29for 9th May.
26:31But not only
26:33the person who comes forward
26:35and commits a crime,
26:37but also the circumstantial evidence
26:39proves it.
26:41There are a lot of crimes
26:43that are punished on circumstantial evidence.
26:45I am not talking about punishment.
26:47But this argument.
26:49My third request is that
26:51you are saying and
26:53my colleagues are saying
26:55that this bench
26:57has decided against the PTI.
26:59This is decided.
27:01This means that
27:03those 6 judges of the Supreme Court
27:05who were sitting in those benches
27:07till yesterday.
27:11Let's take a break.
27:27Welcome back to the show.
27:29Taimoor, you were saying
27:31that everyone wants violence
27:33but I want to play a numbers game.
27:35On the record.
27:37The other parties think that
27:39because you can bring so many numbers
27:41in 10 days, you will create clashes
27:43at different places.
27:45But I was talking to some of your people
27:47in KP.
27:49I was asking them the numbers.
27:51I heard that 5000 fee is MPA
27:53and 10,000 fee is MNA.
27:55Your leaders who do a lot of work
27:57said that if we bring 1000 people
27:59to Islamabad.
28:01I am not talking about Punjab and Sindh.
28:03They said that
28:05the cost of bringing 1000 people
28:07to Islamabad is around
28:0917 to 20 lakhs.
28:1117 to 20 lakhs.
28:13Now if you add 10,000 people
28:15to that,
28:17then you are doing
28:19crore plus day.
28:21How many MP, MNA's
28:23can bear the cost of 1 crore daily
28:25and if your protest goes on for 7 days
28:27or 8 days,
28:29then this number is not
28:31taken out of thin air.
28:335000 MPA, 10,000.
28:35If you bring 1000 people to Islamabad,
28:37then you can bring 200 to 300 people
28:39to Islamabad.
28:41I am not able to understand
28:43the numbers that you have told me.
28:45You are saying that you need
28:4750 to 60 crore.
28:49Is that real?
28:51I will tell you what is real.
28:53Local people
28:55will come out.
28:57Local people will come out
28:59to Islamabad and Pindi.
29:01Lakhs of people
29:03will come out to Islamabad.
29:05Are these figures right?
29:07I have not calculated.
29:09Most of our people
29:11come out on their own.
29:13They put pressure on us.
29:15Our supporters are messaging me
29:17on Twitter that
29:19we want to see you
29:21leading our movement on 24th.
29:23This is what they are not
29:25understanding.
29:27When they say that
29:29a protest cannot happen in 9 to 10 days.
29:31We have to bring
29:33school teachers and
29:35patwari.
29:37We will have less transport
29:39in Peshawar.
29:41You are saying
29:43that the target
29:45is to bring
29:47more people from Peshawar.
29:49Will you rely more
29:51on local people
29:53to come out?
29:57Intellectually,
29:59let's say
30:01that the protest
30:03will take longer.
30:05Do you think the government
30:07will support more?
30:09Do you think the government
30:11will support more?
30:13For example,
30:15if Mr. Khan had left
30:17Maulana Fazl-e-Aman
30:19or if his inflation
30:21had left March,
30:23I would have
30:25asked him to come
30:27but why doesn't he come?
30:29He knows that he has
30:31zero support.
30:33Mr. Afzal, why don't you
30:35let them come?
30:37I have told you that
30:39their expenses are
30:41multiple of crores.
30:43They will die.
30:47We don't have
30:49any problem.
30:51If their intentions
30:53and track record
30:55are good,
30:57then we don't have
30:59any issue.
31:01They have held
31:03Jalsa in Islamabad
31:05and Lahore.
31:07When their CM
31:09is giving
31:11indoctrination
31:13and saying
31:15Al-Jihad,
31:17tell me
31:19if we should
31:21take it seriously
31:23and how it will work.
31:25This is not right.
31:29What is the solution?
31:33If you
31:35are as strict
31:37as you want to be,
31:39God forbid,
31:41if a few corpses
31:43have fallen,
31:45it won't suit you.
31:47Clash suits them,
31:49not you.
31:51Clash doesn't suit us.
31:53Their intention is to
31:55make corpses fall
31:57and then do politics.
31:59This is their intention.
32:01We are trying
32:03to contain them
32:05as much as we can.
32:07But when some wrong decisions
32:09are made,
32:11they have bad consequences.
32:13Some wrong decisions
32:15were made 10-15 years ago
32:17and their consequences
32:19are still the same.
32:25I think
32:27if they are serious
32:29and want to take matters forward,
32:31they should talk.
32:33If they do
32:35arm-wrestling
32:37and try to
32:39solve their problems,
32:41they won't succeed.
32:43Why don't you ask
32:45the establishment
32:47Is Mr. Khaira with us?
32:49Yes, I am here.
32:51Mr. Khaira,
32:53you have said that
32:55we will negotiate
32:57with the handlers.
32:59We won't talk to
33:01the People's Party and PMLN.
33:03You should tell the establishment
33:05to nominate a delegation
33:07that includes
33:09the People's Party
33:11and PMLN.
33:13They will have to talk to you.
33:15If they want to
33:17talk to you
33:19via batenda,
33:21then let them come.
33:23You will have to sit with them.
33:25The situation can be diffused.
33:27Sir,
33:29can you give us another suggestion?
33:31That the PM
33:33and all of us should
33:35stand outside the jail
33:37and ask Mr. Khan
33:39to arrest us and put us in jail
33:41and take us forward.
33:43Sir,
33:45I am saying
33:47that
33:49we do not
33:51refuse to talk to Mr. Khan.
33:53But if they
33:55don't want to talk to him,
33:57then let them not.
33:59Now they are saying
34:01that they have given permission
34:03to make a joke
34:05and at the end
34:07they have put a lock on
34:09those who have the power.
34:11Sir,
34:13call a bluff.
34:15Call a bluff.
34:17Sir,
34:19can I say something?
34:21You have said two things
34:23that need to be answered.
34:25First, I want to say
34:27that why do you stop them
34:29from coming?
34:31You give me permission
34:33to talk to them.
34:35The law will not ask us
34:37to leave Islamabad.
34:39You can take over Islamabad.
34:41You can take over the parliament.
34:43You can do it somewhere else.
34:45We have no objection.
34:47If this is the solution to the problem,
34:49then you should...
34:51No, no one is saying that.
34:53Listen to me.
34:55I am saying that in a pressure cooker...
34:57Sir, listen to my question.
34:59Sir, my question is
35:01that there is a safety valve in a pressure cooker.
35:03Let me give a small answer.
35:05The question is
35:07that there are two options available
35:09within law.
35:11But if the government
35:13has to take an extreme step,
35:15shouldn't the government
35:17take that step
35:19to save the state?
35:21You have said
35:23earlier that
35:25my brother Taimur was talking
35:27about the PTI.
35:29The bench
35:31is constitutional.
35:33The judges have sat down.
35:35The judges will decide
35:37with the PTI.
35:39If you believe this
35:41and you are saying this on TV
35:43then I am saying
35:45that this means that
35:47these are the same judges
35:49who were regular
35:51in the 15 judges of the Supreme Court
35:53who used to sit and decide on the benches.
35:55They were against the PTI
35:57and against the government.
35:59Now the last thing is
36:01that these judges
36:03have suddenly become dishonest
36:05and have started
36:07taking decisions in the hands of the government.
36:09Why should there be so many partial judges?
36:11If you and the PTI
36:13have this clear evidence
36:15and you are separating them.
36:17Sir, tell me one thing.
36:19Mr. Khaira, I will give you an answer to this.
36:21I will give you an answer to this.
36:23A small thing.
36:25The PTI should
36:27move a case against them
36:29that these judges
36:31have become dishonest
36:33and have started taking decisions
36:35in the hands of the government.
36:37Mr. Khaira, I will give you an answer to this.
36:39I broke the news
36:41that the reserve seats
36:43will be decided by 8-5.
36:45And that is what happened.
36:47I broke the news
36:49that Justice Ameenuddin Khan
36:51will be the head of the constitutional benches.
36:53That is what happened.
36:55This is a very interesting coincidence
36:57that what we are saying in the media
36:59is history and context.
37:01It is information.
37:03It is information.
37:05I am saying that if your news is correct
37:07and the news of the PTI is correct
37:09and we are saying these things openly
37:11then we should not have a court case
37:13against these judges.
37:15Sir, that is a different matter.
37:17We are dealing with the 24th of November.
37:19I am leaving a question for you.
37:21I have to take a break.
37:23It is more important for you
37:25and for Mr. Khan
37:27I totally agree with you.
37:29I totally agree with you.
37:31But I say that the government
37:33did not reduce the pressure.
37:35For example, there was a lot of fight
37:37over the election.
37:39They say that the election was stolen.
37:41On 8th February, 9th February, it was stolen.
37:43There was a lot of fight
37:45over the formation of tribunals.
37:47The 8 tribunals that were formed in Punjab
37:49fought and fought
37:51and fought
37:53and the government
37:55did not hear a single case.
37:57The 4 retired judges
37:59who fought
38:01did not hear a single case.
38:03Out of the 67 tribunals
38:05they did not hear a single case.
38:07In Punjab, only 6.5% of the cases
38:09have been decided.
38:11Either the objections
38:13of the opposition
38:15have been diluted
38:17and addressed.
38:19Tribunals have not been allowed
38:21to decide.
38:23When all these things
38:25will not be decided,
38:27then the opposition will be justified
38:29to come on the streets.
38:31That's why I leave the question
38:33and answer it after this break.
38:43Welcome back to the show.
38:45Very quickly,
38:47why don't you make such demands
38:49that these are tribunals
38:51that decide within 30-60 days
38:53and then we will see
38:55what to do next.
38:57You say, return the mandate.
38:59But no one steals the mandate.
39:01I agree.
39:03My case is that
39:05300 days have passed
39:07and there are still hearings
39:09on maintainability.
39:11If all these decisions are made
39:13within 60 days, then what will happen?
39:15If all the seats in Punjab
39:17are revived,
39:19then maybe the government
39:21will be saved.
39:23We don't say that
39:25release Imran Khan tomorrow
39:27and remove pressure from the court.
39:29Imran Khan will be released
39:31himself.
39:33There is no counter.
39:35Imran Khan has no option
39:37other than fighting
39:39or making demands.
39:41Why don't you say
39:43that the tribunals
39:45will decide within 60 days
39:47and then we will see
39:49what to do next.
39:51Why are you afraid of these things?
39:53Why is there no counter-proposal
39:55from anyone?
39:57The thing is that
39:59after the 2018 elections
40:01when the results came,
40:03Saqib Nisar said
40:05that recounting is also not allowed.
40:07And he said, what a great thing.
40:09Leave the past and talk about the present.
40:11Kasim Suri's case lasted for 5 years
40:13and the Supreme Court
40:15did not give a decision.
40:17Today, all the election tribunals
40:19are here.
40:21The thing is that they
40:23came to this system
40:25with RTS.
40:27At that time, they were
40:29liking it.
40:31Let me give a coaching comment
40:33to Mr. Kaira.
40:35Mr. Kaira, you are
40:37an old man.
40:39There are some counter things
40:41in the dialogue.
40:43Why don't you
40:45get the tribunals
40:47to decide in 30 or 60 days?
40:49Then we will get to know.
40:51Mr. Malik,
40:53you are saying that
40:55I am sitting in the tribunal.
40:57No, no, the election commission
40:59can be requested by the government.
41:01I request them.
41:03The tribunal was still stopped.
41:05If the government's intention
41:07was not right and they
41:09appointed a retired judge,
41:11then the tribunals would have been
41:13there.
41:15If they had decided a year ago
41:17or 6 months ago,
41:19then the Supreme Court
41:21would have given a decision.
41:23It is not just that the government
41:25has stopped it.
41:27They are also delaying it.
41:29Just like Mr. Khan's case.
41:3180% of Mr. Khan's
41:33adjournments were
41:35taken by his lawyers.
41:37They are saying that
41:39I still request my brothers
41:41that there are political issues.
41:43The way you want the mandate
41:45or whatever you want,
41:47it is not going to happen.
41:49It is not technically possible.
41:51There is a way.
41:53Come and sit.
41:55They say,
41:57sit on someone's command.
41:59Thank you very much.
42:01There are always ways.
42:03If the tribunals
42:05are activated,
42:07they can be a sweetener.
42:09If the government
42:11wants,
42:13they can say that the handlers
42:15have made it.
42:17Let the handlers take the credit.
42:19They can bluff them.
42:21A lot can happen.
42:23But it will not happen.
42:25The decision will be made
42:27on the battle of nerves.
42:29Whose nerves are strong?
42:31Both the decisions
42:33are in the hands of the tribunal.
42:35This concludes in the end.
42:37Allah Hafiz.