En un operativo masivo, se realizaron 114 allanamientos en toda la provincia de Buenos Aires, resultando en 112 detenidos. La operación, centrada en la lucha contra el abuso infantil y la explotación sexual de menores, permitió rescatar a numerosos niños. Las autoridades continúan investigando para identificar a todas las víctimas y perseguir a los responsables.
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00:00We told you yesterday that there was a pedophilia network that was dismantled and there were different findings.
00:09But the next day, the stories that were behind each of these networks, of this detail, became known.
00:17We told you yesterday the case of a father who used his daughter to take photos and sell them.
00:24What other things were transcending the day after, Javier?
00:27And some conversations that some of those involved in these events have had, for example.
00:33Let's remember that there were 112 detainees and several dozen findings in different cities
00:40throughout the province of Buenos Aires, in an operation that is the fourth,
00:45in defense, obviously, of childhood and child abuse.
00:48We are talking about pedophilia, we are talking about material exchange and so on.
00:52Many children have been rescued. What does it mean to be rescued?
00:56Let's remember what we said yesterday.
00:58It's not that they were prisoners, that they were kidnapped, that they were hostages and so on.
01:03Some of them were subdued and some of them were subdued without knowing it.
01:09Because they are so small that sometimes it becomes a habit.
01:13I'm going to tell you something that the specialists told me.
01:18The abuse of the youngest, do you know when they start, according to the pedophiles' strategy?
01:27From the age of two. Not before.
01:32I say this so that you understand and we understand everything about this type of crime
01:36that we told you about yesterday.
01:39What you are going to see are some images.
01:42Yesterday we also told you what happened in the prisons.
01:45In Florencio Varela's prison, in several cells, with five detainees.
01:51One of them, these are the images.
01:56His last name is Valderrama.
01:59Valderrama is a pedophile, an abuser, of course,
02:03who was sentenced, after many events,
02:06where he was also abused by a niece, by eight-year-old girls.
02:13He was sentenced to 50 years in prison.
02:16Do you know how he did it?
02:18Among others, obviously, he harassed and abused them,
02:20but also through cell phones, he contacted them to later abuse them.
02:24Do you know what they found in this Valderrama and the other four that we told you about yesterday?
02:30Cell phones.
02:33That is, with cell phones, this man was favored to commit the crimes.
02:39In the prison, this man, who was sentenced to 50 years in prison,
02:43was given and allowed cell phones.
02:46Regarding this.
02:48So, that is what must be reviewed again in the Argentine justice system,
02:52in the penitentiary services, and also in each of the causes of the criminals.
02:57We are going to tell you what the findings found.
03:00There it is. Some of the details.
03:02In this rescue of 70 boys and girls,
03:0720 detainees, 112 accused in this cause,
03:10because there is also an investigation, because what they have done is exchange information,
03:15114 arrests, we said,
03:17operations in 64 cities in only the province of Buenos Aires.
03:22260 cell phones.
03:24This is important, the seizure of cell phones.
03:27And we have to rethink the issue of cell phones.
03:29How do you give cell phones to people who are sentenced for pedophilia?
03:33You leave them served so that they have contact and start with the grooming
03:36and have contact with teenagers.
03:38And they did.
03:39And they did it from prison.
03:41Sorry, Javi, sorry.
03:42I'm really sorry, Maria, too.
03:44I don't understand how someone who studies law,
03:47who has been studying the laws of our country for so many years,
03:51who will surely continue to study later,
03:53to become a judge, who passes an exam to do so,
03:57can allow these things.
04:00They are small.
04:02To the people who condemn and put them in prison,
04:04who put each of these detainees in Florencio Varela,
04:07in the other raids of the other prisons,
04:10they have to go back home.
04:11They have children, they have nephews.
04:13They have.
04:14Because they are still human beings.
04:16I wonder what goes through their heads.
04:18Sorry, but what can go through your head to allow something like this?
04:23It makes my stomach hurt.
04:25I said it yesterday.
04:26What happens is that there are things that have legal gaps.
04:29One thing is what is prescribed in the laws,
04:32such as sentences.
04:35But obviously there is some legal gap there.
04:38And then the question of cell phones,
04:40which is not legislated anywhere.
04:41No one said, by law, prisoners can have cell phones.
04:44However, due to uses and customs, it is left and not modified.
04:47Exactly.
04:48Because that was an exception only for the pandemic.
04:50And it remained as a use and custom in prisons.
04:52I'll tell you one more thing,
04:54that they told me on the day yesterday.
04:56They go to a home here in the great Buenos Aires,
04:59a home of a person they were looking for, a man.
05:02They arrive at the home.
05:03This man was with his brother and his sister-in-law.
05:08They live with, obviously, their daughter,
05:10a minor, I think she was 8 or 7 years old.
05:13And this man was the girl's uncle.
05:18The parents found out there.
05:20Of course, there they saw that the uncle
05:24was the man who abused their children.
05:29And they discover it at the moment.
05:31Exactly, at the moment.
05:32Imagine the desperation of the people.
05:35The mother had to be assisted by an ambulance
05:37and transferred from despair.
05:40Javi, what is this?
05:42This is the screenshot of one of the cell phones
05:45of the detainees.
05:47This is a phone that they used
05:49with a special application to be able to communicate
05:52with each other.
05:53I'm talking about those who distributed
05:56the child pornography material.
05:59Remember that the issue of child pornography is of abuse.
06:03It is not a person who works or lives from it.
06:08Wait, let's go there.
06:10Let's get in touch with Verónica Toller.
06:14She is the director of the Executive Committee
06:16for the Fight Against Abuse and Exploitation.
06:19We have her on a cell phone.
06:21Is there a legal void?
06:23Are there too few penalties for this type of criminal?
06:28Verónica?
06:32I was listening attentively to everything you were commenting.
06:35I want to make a comment afterwards, Rolanda,
06:37about the issue of cell phones.
06:39Let's see, there is no legal void as such.
06:41The Argentine law is clear, specific and strong
06:45regarding the issue of human trafficking.
06:47The trafficking law has six modalities.
06:50What we are talking about is the fourth modality
06:53of the trafficking law.
06:54That is, trafficking for sexual exploitation of minors
06:57in the modality of the production of sexual abuse
07:00and rape material.
07:02The law actually still talks about the production
07:04of child pornography.
07:06Today we call it child sexual abuse material
07:08and rape.
07:10And they have penalties.
07:12They have penalties and they are prosecuted, etc.
07:14From the Executive Committee that you just mentioned,
07:17we are also fighting to expand the modalities of trafficking
07:21because crime and crime multiply, grow, change,
07:26change shape.
07:28And we have to be attentive to that,
07:30both in the prosecution and in the forms of investigation,
07:33as well as recognizing new modalities
07:38within the trafficking law.
07:40That will fit in any case for another talk
07:42that we can have.
07:44But child sales, forced mendicity,
07:46trafficking for reproductive exploitation
07:48through the rent of womb, etc.
07:50are new modalities.
07:52This one, this one of the production of pornography
07:55is an old modality and is in the fourth modality
07:58of the trafficking law.
07:59But there is the issue of production,
08:01not of consumption.
08:03Because many of the things,
08:05we have seen a lot of cases of people
08:08who find pornography,
08:10child sexual abuse videos on computers
08:13and the penalties are mild.
08:17Because it is not possible to identify in the other chapter.
08:20Yes, of course.
08:22Let's see, two things I want to tell you about.
08:25In this mega operation of 114 raids,
08:29three topics were sought.
08:31Production, distribution and consumption.
08:35That is, the recognition of the IPs
08:38went both to the mega download of images for consumption
08:41as well as to the transmission of images for production,
08:44what they said about the jail.
08:46Someone asked me today,
08:47but how are they going to produce pornography in jail
08:49if they don't have the children?
08:51It is that they did not need the children.
08:53They receive the download of images,
08:55assemble the product and distribute it.
08:57Of course.
08:58They did not need the information or the grooming,
09:00as they said just now, right?
09:02But they were also looking for producers,
09:05distributors and consumers.
09:07And these 70 children who were ...
09:09I ask you a parenthesis to say.
09:11I hear you.
09:12We are paying and keeping prisoners
09:15who no longer only do not regenerate in prisons,
09:18but from prisons they commit crimes.
09:21There is a delusional logic.
09:23We are allowing the guys ...
09:25In short, we keep those people
09:27so that they regenerate.
09:29And not only do they not regenerate,
09:31but they become a center of crime.
09:35Look, what you just said about cell phones.
09:37I want to clarify that there is a strong footprint,
09:40but strong means a mass,
09:43let's say, in the form and persecution
09:45of the issue of cell phones in prisons.
09:48The Ministry of Security,
09:49you will have seen a lot of messages, videos, etc.
09:52Capture, capture, capture
09:54and remove cell phones from prisons.
09:56Minister Patricia Bullrich does it all the time.
09:59Yes?
10:00Because they can not have cell phones.
10:03The penitentiary service has to give a good answer
10:06of how those cell phones come in,
10:07in such a quantity.
10:08But these are prisons.
10:09This is a prison in the province of Buenos Aires.
10:11Of course.
10:12In the province of Varela, different.
10:13Yes, yes, yes.
10:16Let's see, but anyway,
10:17any service, whether provincial or whatever,
10:20exactly, also has to reinforce the persecution.
10:23But the footprint is clear.
10:25Zero cell phone, zero tolerance,
10:27because these things happen
10:28and other crimes handled from the cell phone.
10:30So Minister Bullrich has a concrete persecution.
10:34I want to say a couple of little things
10:35that I just heard you talking on the floor
10:38about the issue of the boys and others.
10:41Among the detainees,
10:42let's see, there are imputed and there are detainees.
10:45Among both things, imputed and detained,
10:47there are mothers, there are fathers,
10:49there are 19 women in total.
10:51Some because they knew what was happening
10:54and did not defend the children.
10:56And others because they used their children or nephews
10:58for the production of the material.
11:01You were also talking there about an uncle or something
11:04who abused a ten-year-old girl.
11:07I don't know if you will refer to the same,
11:09because, well, there are 114 raids,
11:11but I was in several raids.
11:13In one of the ones I was in,
11:14the girl in the house was 9 years old.
11:17Yes.
11:18And it's that photo that you may have seen in some media,
11:20because I took it,
11:21and the truth is that I went through it several times
11:22and I don't know how it ended,
11:23but it's published.
11:24The pink photo with the little hands on the wall.
11:27Yes, yes.
11:28And then you see a hand with a latex glove
11:30comparing the size of a hand with the little hand.
11:32It's my hand.
11:33And here you see my hand, look at my face.
11:35I mean, my hand is not big.
11:37The little hands were less than half of my hand.
11:41I mean, little children.
11:44And running a little more the curtains and the books,
11:47the police find drawings.
11:50And in those drawings,
11:51which are a festival for psychologists
11:53who now have to analyze what's going on,
11:55there were drawings of supposedly men,
11:59that is, big, fat, big arms,
12:02huge legs, like very heavy,
12:05barely with a cap or with a panty, the man,
12:09with an angry face, with his hair up,
12:13and what do you think he had up there?
12:15A little girl, because she was also a woman,
12:18on her chest, he had her up there.
12:20Other drawings, sorry, I'm going to say the term,
12:23but well, I don't know if it looks good on television or not,
12:25but with the masculine genitals,
12:28drawn, very big,
12:30and there in the distance, tiny, lost,
12:33a little creature, in drawings, let's say, on the wall.
12:37That is, that creature that lived there,
12:39what was it living?
12:41And I turn around and see on top of a wardrobe
12:43disposable diapers.
12:44So I tell the prosecutor,
12:46because we were outside as observers
12:48and we can't intervene in anything,
12:50so I just tell the prosecutor present,
12:52I say, are there babies in this house?
12:54He heard me, one of the accused guys,
12:56because in the question he hears it.
12:59So he intervenes and says,
13:01it's the nine-year-old girl,
13:02that one, the one with the drawings,
13:04he says, that she urinates on top,
13:06we have to put diapers on her.
13:07Terrible.
13:08But how a nine-year-old girl?
13:10Terrible.
13:11Exactly, the trauma she is experiencing.
13:13Exactly.
13:14They are messages.
13:15I want to say that here,
13:16some of the 70 children,
13:18exactly,
13:19among the 70 children you have
13:21some children who qualify as victims of trafficking,
13:24some children who qualify as victims of sexual abuse,
13:27which is not the same,
13:28and other children who still do not have a caratula.
13:32The investigation is underway.
13:34I just cut a few minutes ago,
13:36nothing more,
13:37with the prosecutor.
13:38Yes.
13:39Sorry.
13:40I interrupt you for a second,
13:41precisely because the one who is also listening to us
13:43is Dr. Daniel Ichazo,
13:44the prosecutor of Berazategui,
13:46one of the many who participated
13:48in this huge cause,
13:49we said yesterday,
13:50the largest in the province of Buenos Aires
13:52against pedophilia,
13:54against child abuse.
13:56Doctor, thank you very much for this communication
13:58and for your time.
13:59I don't know if you had the opportunity to listen
14:01to what Veronica was telling us
14:03about the latest raids.
14:06Good afternoon.
14:07Yes, very attentive.
14:09And the truth is that it is reflecting
14:12as were the 114 raids
14:15throughout the province.
14:16I want to highlight the commitment
14:18of the Prosecutor General's Office
14:20of the Province of Buenos Aires,
14:21headed by our Attorney General,
14:23with Tegrán,
14:24who reinforced the Department of Connected Crimes,
14:30Child Sexual Abuse and Grooming,
14:34of the Prosecutor General's Office.
14:36Doctor, I imagine that you follow
14:38this type of causes day by day
14:40and see different issues.
14:42I don't know if the doctor is listening to me.
14:44Are you listening to me?
14:45Yes, yes, yes.
14:46No, I was wondering if you,
14:48I imagine you are used to this type of causes,
14:50this type of child abuse and so on.
14:53I wanted to know if you had seen anything similar.
14:57Unfortunately, in each raid,
15:01all the prosecutors who participated
15:03in these operations,
15:05unfortunately, we find ourselves
15:08with aberrant cases
15:10that we have to face at some point
15:12with the psychologists.
15:14Because when we arrived,
15:16for example, in the last raid,
15:19we arrived at a house
15:21where we were only going to investigate
15:23a simple tenancy,
15:24as the doctor was talking about,
15:26of child sexual abuse material.
15:29But when the experts
15:31who were qualified as guarantors
15:33began to analyze the device
15:35in the place,
15:37we began to see that there was a minor
15:42who was from the same house,
15:47but who lived in another place on the ground.
15:52And we identified that they had produced
15:56this material of sexual violence
15:59towards her in that house
16:01because of the armchair.
16:03The armchair was characteristic
16:05because of the color.
16:06So the production, distribution and consumption
16:09that Veronica was just telling us about,
16:11part of the production is one of the homes
16:13where you came to look for nothing.
16:15Directly part of the distribution.
16:17Yes, and it seems that for the first time
16:20several of the victims were identified.
16:22Because many times they come across
16:24the recorded child sexual abuse material,
16:27but it is very difficult to identify the victims.
16:31Well, that is a job that we have reverted
16:33and now when we go to the raids
16:36we try to arrive with the orders
16:38with authorization from the judge
16:41to analyze the devices in the place of the fact.
16:45Because if not, what happened to us before
16:47is that we took the devices
16:49and after 60 or 90 days,
16:51when we had the expertise,
16:53we warned that there was a victim in that house
16:56and we did not realize it.
16:58How terrible.
16:59Because we could not analyze them in the place.
17:02And what happens, doctor,
17:04what happens with those kids?
17:07I guess they don't have to leave them to their parents.
17:11No, the parents found out at the same time
17:14that we are going to interview the girl
17:17about what was happening.
17:19The parents did not know anything.
17:20Of course, because it was an uncle in that case.
17:23And an uncle who took care
17:26when they were going to work
17:28to the minor and in the confidence of the family
17:31that they can imagine
17:33that the girl was going through that trauma.
17:38The girl when she saw us there
17:40she realized why we arrived
17:42and also broke the cry
17:44and there she could manifest what was happening.
17:46Poor thing.
17:47She could not tell her parents.
17:49And make them understand
17:51that the girl was not to blame
17:53for what had happened
17:55because she had not told.
17:56Because the child is a child
17:57and the child can tell what he can
17:59at a certain moment
18:00and you have to give him the space
18:02so that he can do it.
18:03And the parents are not to blame either.
18:05Because, let's say,
18:09in such a traumatic situation,
18:12they cannot be blamed.
18:16There are two things.
18:17Dialogue and accompaniment.
18:19Dr. Javier Díaz,
18:20we were talking with the doctor
18:22all these days too
18:23and he told me not a story
18:25but one of the facts.
18:26Because Dr. Hichasso
18:27is the one who entered
18:28with the others, of course,
18:29to the jail of Florencio Varela.
18:31And there he came across
18:32that one of the five prisoners
18:34that Adama has in this case
18:36is precisely who I mentioned a little while ago.
18:38Valderrama.
18:39This man who was sentenced
18:40to 50 years in prison for the same
18:42and that they had allowed him
18:44to have a cell phone
18:46with which he not only got
18:48photos of naked boys and girls
18:50but also distributed and sold,
18:52doctor, right?
18:54Exactly.
18:55Valderrama not only had created
18:58a group with other inmates
19:00to distribute the material
19:02that had been saved
19:04from the abuses he produced
19:06and for which he was sentenced
19:08to 50 years,
19:09but at the same time
19:10he also exchanged with
19:13another group that he had with
19:16there were three from Chile,
19:18Paraguay and Uruguay,
19:20they exchanged materials.
19:22Obviously, let's say,
19:23all this information
19:24is already in the Interpol
19:26of each of these countries
19:28to identify those current decedents
19:32and any possible victim, right?
19:34Because there are some chats
19:35where undoubtedly
19:37there is a minor involved
19:39in Uruguay,
19:41in Chile specifically
19:43and they exchanged that material.
19:45Dr. Hichasso,
19:47Dr. Aratorial,
19:48we thank you very much
19:50for the explanations of this
19:52that is absolutely stupefying to us.
19:54Thank you both very much.