CINCINNATI -- The offense has no balance, the defense can't get pressure on the quarterback and Joe Burrow sounds like he's just about had enough. The vibes weren't good Sunday after a 37-17 home loss to the Philadelphia Eagles as the Bengals fell to 0-4 at home. Where do the Bengals begin to fix all the issues? Can they be fixed? Trags and Skinny of Local 12 break it all down in the latest edition of the Jungle Roar Skinny Bengals postgame pod.
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00:00Hey everybody, it is Trags Mike Petraglia alongside or at least virtually alongside
00:05Richard Skinner of Local 12 in Cincinnati. This is the Jungle Roar skinny Bengals postgame pod
00:12following a disastrous, embarrassing I shall say, I think you could say it's safe to say,
00:1937-17 loss at home. What else is new to the Philadelphia Eagles at Paycore Stadium on
00:26White Bengals Sunday? It was certainly ruined by the Bengals performance, especially
00:31in the second half. Skinny, there are so many places to get to as to why this team is three
00:39and five. I'm going to give you one stat that sticks out to me and shows the lack of heart,
00:44the lack of courage, the lack of purpose from the Cincinnati Bengals, especially in the fourth
00:50quarter. And that would be 17 carries, 43 yards, one touchdown, but 17 carries, 43 yards from your
01:00two feature running backs. Your most explosive run on the day came from your quarterback,
01:06Joe Burrow of eight yards. This Bengal team cannot run the ball and it's been that way
01:12for years and years now in the Joe Burrow era. It's totally unacceptable and it shows incredible
01:19a soft underbelly of the Bengals, a weakness. Yeah, and it's interesting because Cordell
01:26Volson's a big, strong guy, right? Orlando Brown, he got hurt again today, is a big, strong guy.
01:31Amarius Mims is a big, strong guy. Cordell Volson's team ran it in college well. They were
01:37a really good period, again at a smaller level. Alex Kapp is a big, strong guy. Ted Karras is a
01:44little bit undersized as a center, but he's had success in this league. So is it schematic? Is it
01:51attention to doing it? You know, it dawned on me as the game progressed, Mike. You know, Philly
01:56didn't have a lot of success running the ball for a chunk of the game, right? And they kept sticking
02:00with it and sticking with it and sticking with it. I'm not here to tell you the Bengals have to be
02:04Philly and run it 39 times. They don't. They have Joe Burrow. Jalen Hurts is not Joe Burrow. Jalen
02:09Hurts had a great game today and kudos to him, but he's not Joe Burrow. He's not an elite
02:16quarterback. He's a nice quarterback who does things in their system that's perfect for what
02:20they do. But it feels like the Bengals have no commitment to running the ball. Like you run it
02:26once for two yards? Uh-oh, we stink. We can't keep doing this. And maybe they can't. Maybe it literally
02:31is you just can't for whatever reason. Schematic, line, whatever. If that's the case, then you got
02:37bigger issues than just being soft. You've got issues of talent, and maybe that's the case. And
02:43honestly, I think as we get through this, and I'm writing a little bit about this,
02:46maybe that's the case overall. You've just hit a talent wall at the moment.
02:50Well, there's one segment of this game that every fan is going to focus on,
02:55good, bad, or indifferent, and that is late in the third quarter, Bengals have it third and one
03:00at their own 39-yard line. They trail 24-17 at that time.
03:05Very much it.
03:07And Chase Brown gets stonewalled. He has no gain on the third down run. So Zach Taylor,
03:13and I give him credit for this, says, screw it. We need to get something going. We need to go for it.
03:19Well, they don't run it, probably because they, I guess, understandably have no confidence in the
03:24run game. Joe Burrow goes to Jamar Chase on a pass that was probably 12 yards in distance,
03:33two yards behind the line, sideways. A 12-yard swing pass, two yards behind the line of scrimmage,
03:42and lo and behold, Jamar Chase gets tackled and wrapped up immediately. The Bengals telegraphed
03:49the play at the line of scrimmage, bringing Jamar Chase in motion, then bringing him back,
03:54sending him back. It was easy pickings for the Eagles' defense, and from that point on,
03:59the Bengals got outscored 13-0 in the fourth quarter, and that was all she wrote.
04:05To me, those two plays kind of sum up the 2024 Bengals. They can't get out of their own way,
04:10and again, when they need to gain a yard, they simply can't do it.
04:14Yeah, and I don't think the third down call was on the call itself. I don't mind. You run a guy
04:19between the tackles, that's fine. You're allowed to gain a yard between the tackles, and they
04:24couldn't do it. The fourth down decision, to me, 50-50. I can't completely blame Zach Taylor. Part
04:32of me says, you know what, I get it. He panicked because they hadn't stopped them. I mean, let's
04:36not forget, the Eagles had the ball eight times in this game, Mike, and scored touchdowns on,
04:40or scored points on touchdowns, excuse me, scored points on seven of those eight drives.
04:43Sounds like the Washington game to me, Skinny.
04:46Yes, no, right. At some point, you just have to say, you know what, I got to leave my offense
04:49out there because I can't turn this back over to my defense, and here we are. So I don't mind that,
04:54but to your point, so Paul Daner Jr., who sits next to me, he and I have seen this play,
04:58it feels like a billion times, some of you, Mike, I mean, for goodness sakes,
05:01and Paul literally, when Jamar went in motion, he goes, oh no, it's the swing pass. I said,
05:05yeah, it sure is, and how about two stupid sportswriters sitting in a press box that can
05:10realize, here's what's coming. You don't think the Eagles didn't realize that? And again,
05:13the kid who made the tackle made a great tackle in space, but he made a great tackle in space
05:17because he came downhill from jump street knowing exactly where that ball was going,
05:22why it was going there, and we know Jamar is a great runner. You know, I thought Zach made a
05:27really good point last Monday in his press conference. Remember, they ran a bubble to
05:30Jamar early in the Cleveland game, and it had no game written all over it. It really did.
05:35He made a guy miss and then dragged tacklers for eight yards, and he said,
05:40hardly anybody else in the NFL makes any yards on that, and he's right,
05:44and I think that's what they counted on there is, let's get him a touch,
05:47he's going to break a tackle. Well, he got a touch two yards behind the line of scrimmage,
05:51not moving forward, behind the line of scrimmage, and the kid for Philly reads it perfectly and
05:56makes it, again, it was a great open field tackle. Jamar literally had no chance on that play
06:01whatsoever. So, I know people can blame the decision. I hope they don't, because I didn't
06:06think the decision was wrong. Again, I could be talked out of that. Zach was trying to stay in
06:10the game and win the game. I don't have a problem with that. Yeah, I'm kind of with you on that,
06:14Mike, because again, your defense at that point had not shown much over the last handful of series
06:20since they forced Philly to punt on the second drive of the game. They hadn't stopped him at
06:24that point. It got worse as things went along, so I understand that, and it's fourth in a yard. I
06:29mean, in the NFL anymore, fourth in a yard is a joke. I mean, most teams go for it and make that
06:34thing. Hell, Philly gets under center at fourth and two and goes, we're going to shove our
06:37quarterback forward, and we make it every single time. So, I get that part of it, but boy, it sure
06:43did. The worm totally turned at that point. To the defense's credit, for once in the game,
06:48it actually held Philly without a first down, held them to a field goal. In the next series,
06:52they tried to hit a home run to Jamar down the sideline. It was a great interception by
06:56a tipped ball, and at that point, that was it. But yeah, that fourth down play was a huge one
07:02in the game. After that interception, I watched the exits. The fans filed out of it, streamed
07:09out of Paycourt. They are ticked off skinny, and they should be, and understandably, they should be
07:17ticked off at the way the Bengals have underperformed all season long. They are 0-4 at
07:22home, which even Zach Taylor after the game said, that's inexcusable, not only for our fans,
07:28but our players, which I felt was kind of an interesting slash odd thing to say. You feel
07:36like the coaching staff isn't getting them prepared enough to play at home? I mean,
07:41you were in there. How did you read that? I read it as just him being frustrated, and
07:47I don't think it's a preparation. I really don't think it's a preparation issue. Mike,
07:53I'm writing this. I'm 90% done with it. Honestly, I just don't think this team is good enough. I
07:58mean, you heard all these people say, hey, we weren't good enough today. We weren't good enough
08:02in this situation. We got to be better. Okay, that sounds great. I appreciate you thinking that
08:07and saying that, but maybe you're just not good enough. Maybe you've hit that wall of bad draft
08:14picks and poor free agent signings and aging players and injury and not signing players and
08:20letting players walk. Some of those decisions, I'm not opposed to. We can all re-litigate Jesse
08:26Bates and the T situation. You had another great game today, by the way. I know. I know. Honestly,
08:32we can re-litigate all of those things. I'm fine with that because it's fair game at this point,
08:39and I think you're paying the price for that across the board. Jordan battles in the game
08:44today at safety. He's in quarters coverage. He blew the coverage. I actually thought his
08:50coverage was pretty good on Devontae Smith. Just get your head around and make the play,
08:55and he doesn't do it. It's a big touchdown pass. It's all those things that seem little in theory,
09:01like not getting your head around or not getting a third one that turns into a fourth one. You're
09:06still allowed to make the fourth one, but when it starts to add up and you look at what this team
09:11has done, Mike, to your point, they're 0-4 at home with an inexplicable loss to a 2-5 New England
09:16team, which God love, and they somehow beat the Jets today, and kudos to them, but they're still
09:19a terrible team. Your three wins are over. Not very good teams. Cleveland did win today at home.
09:24Good for them. That makes them 2-5. Congrats to you. Carolina is terrible, and I'm missing
09:31whatever other... The Giants are terrible. The Giants are terrible, and so those are your wins
09:35at the moment, and yeah, you competed at Kansas City. You competed at home against Baltimore,
09:41and that's well and good. That shows you're close, but close in this league, everybody's close,
09:46for goodness sakes. You have to win games, and I'm not sure this team is good enough,
09:51and then you pile on top of it, T not playing, and other wide receivers other than Jamar Chase
09:57had two catches on eight targets. One of those, a 41-yarder, Jermaine Burke, but two catches for
10:0245 yards on eight targets. That's all the rest of them had other than Jamar Chase. You don't
10:07think that T Higgins doesn't mean something to this team? At the same time, then T Higgins can't
10:11get on the field. They're 0-3 without T Higgins. It's a jumbled mess of a mess, and I don't know
10:17how you work your way out of this just because you haven't proven to me this season that you're...
10:24Honestly, again, I go back to you're just not good enough. You can talk about we're not good
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11:46PrizePix, run your game. Strong teams win with a run game. It doesn't have to be
11:53the primary focus of your offense, but you win especially late in games by running out the clock.
12:00We saw the good Bengal teams be able to do that, especially in two-minute and four-minute drives
12:06to end games. They were able to run the ball with Joe Mixon, better than today at least.
12:11I want to get to a quote from the simmering pot that is Joe Burrow. That's my read of him.
12:18He looked like somebody had shot his dog, killed his two kittens, went into his house where his
12:26bird is, and stuffed his bird somewhere, kidnapped his parents, and said, yeah, I'm not having a
12:31good day, guys. That's what it felt like. I hate to make light of that, but that's literally what
12:36it felt like, Mike. So not to cut you off, because I think I know where you're going with this.
12:40So I think Joe Burrow, we can get to this in a little bit, needs to blow up,
12:45and I think he needs to say enough is enough. But before we get to that, we want to go back
12:52to what he said about the run game. After the first game, we ran it well for a couple of weeks
12:57in a row there. The last couple of weeks haven't been good enough. When you play good rushers like
13:03we have the last several weeks, you've got to keep them off balance and be able to run the ball.
13:08If you don't, then they aren't going to be quite as worried about it, and then their edge guys are
13:14going to start getting pushed, and the play action isn't going to be as good. So you've got
13:19to drop back and make plays, and that's what those kind of teams want. So it's tough when you can't.
13:25That is him calling out the run game in no uncertain terms, saying, if we can't run,
13:30screw it. We're screwed. We are not going to be the offense we think we can be.
13:35So part of me, and I have to, you know, games go by in a blur, right? And we're writing on
13:40the run, and sometimes we miss things. So I'm looking forward to seeing this again.
13:44You know, the Jake Browning offense last year of getting under center, running the ball,
13:50play action passing, bootlegging. I know Joe's strength is going in the gun and looking around
13:56and figuring out where he wants to go with it, but it feels like they kind of have abandoned
14:00that at times. Was that a Zach issue? Is that a Dan Pitcher issue? I don't think it's a Frank
14:06Pollock issue because Frank's role is really just designing the runs that they want to use.
14:09So it's not him saying, hey, let's get under center here. Let's not get under center there.
14:15Let's run from the gun here. Let's not run from the gun there. But it feels like they've kind of
14:18abandoned that portion of the program. And honestly, I thought that was, that had a shot
14:23to be a strength with the two tight end looks. And especially today when, again, you knew,
14:29you knew you were getting no production from that other wide receiver spot, whatever, whoever it
14:34was, you knew it. So lean into the two tight end stuff, lean into play action, lean into running
14:39the ball. And they didn't do it. And that's where I just wonder if there's just a discombobulation
14:46of what they're trying to do offensively and they can't get out of their own way because they have
14:50a set way they want to do it because it makes Joe comfortable. Maybe at some point you tell Joe,
14:55listen, man, I know you love the gun. I know it's what you like, but right now we got to do
15:00something different to make our offense click. And maybe it is getting under center, running it for
15:06two yards, running it for three yards, completing a third down pass, then going back under center on
15:11first down and going, Hey, now we can run some play action. Let's take a shot or take some deep
15:16over or take some deep out. Cause it just feels like right now it is just, it's hard to make
15:21yards in this offense. Well, you bring up third down. They started this game seven for seven,
15:28skinny five for five on the opening drive, 70 yards. Burrow did exactly what you were just
15:38talking about. Skinny. He did a mixture of getting under center, running the, running the offense
15:43from shotgun and they marched right down the field. He gets on the move. He makes a beautiful
15:48throw to Jamar chase for the touchdown. And like Washington, I'm like, okay, they're up seven,
15:55nothing at home. They've got a very good vibe going and they can't stop anybody.
16:02And I just get the sense. And I asked Burrow this after the game, when is it? Do you reach a point
16:09when you're the whole that you've dug is too deep to dig out of? And he said, well, we've got nine
16:16games left. 10 games is basically, we'll get you in the playoffs under almost every circumstance.
16:23We'll get you there. That means we've got to win seven of nine. That's doable.
16:28I don't believe that he believes in his heart of hearts that they're anywhere close to being
16:33doable at this. It's funny. So I told you I'm about 90% done with my column and that's going
16:37to be kind of close to the end quote where Joe talks about it being doable. And it's going to
16:42have to be the question of, is it, is it really, I mean, even if they play well, are they really
16:48going to Baltimore and winning? I mean, I guess you can say after today when they lost at Cleveland
16:54and yeah, but is it really doable on the road? And you still have to go to the chargers. They're
16:59not dynamic, but they find ways to win. You still have to go to Dallas. You still have to go to
17:03Pittsburgh. You saw Pittsburgh at your place. You still have a Denver team that keeps improving.
17:08I don't think they're very good. I I'd have to look at their schedule to see what they've,
17:12you know, who they've played to this point. I know some of it off the top of my head there.
17:15I don't think they're good. They have a rookie quarterback who's, you know,
17:17doing some good things, but, uh, but they do have a good defense. Are you really going to
17:22seven and two? And I know what Joe said was, yeah, we've done it before. Yeah. I just don't
17:27think this team's good enough to do it again. I just don't. I hope for you Bengals fans are
17:32watching this. I hope I'm wrong. I do. I know you do too, Mike, but after what I've seen through
17:37eight games now, I seen them beat three bad teams in kind of lackluster fashion, where I got
17:42Buffalo in a little bit by thinking, okay, defense is getting better. It's healthy. Yeah. They played
17:46crap teams, but they stuck it up their ass and that's good. But then today you're like, oh,
17:51okay, well, here's when they played a semi-real offense and here's where they really are.
17:56You know what skinny hold on for three and a half for two and a half quarters. They were there.
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19:39What time is it? Game time. Let's get to the defense real quick. And I want to do this segue
19:44now, because before I forget it, we've ripped on the run game and we should, because they're soft.
19:51They are a soft football team on offense, period. End of story. Anybody who's watched them the first
19:58eight games now would agree with that. But on defense at some point,
20:03Lou Ann and Rumo in the defense need to get to the freaking quarterback. And Trey Hendrickson
20:07had a horrible day. Oh my Lord. I just wasn't there as great a player as he has been. No
20:14doubting that dynamic, dynamic pass rusher. He did not have a good day. Didn't shed the blockers.
20:20There was no pressure on Jalen Hurts. Go back and watch the replay on the 47 yard pass to Devante
20:26Smith. There wasn't anybody within five yards of Hertz when he let go of the ball. No, I mean,
20:32Trey has seven of the 11 sacks, the defensive line, not the team as a whole, but the defensive
20:39line has on the season. And so if you're not getting pressure from him, who else is doing it?
20:44It felt like, you know, in the New York and Cleveland games, Sheldon Rankins, BJ Hill,
20:49Sam Hubbard, nowhere to be found today. And to your point about Trey, Fred Johnson,
20:54Bengals cast off, Fred Johnson, my guy who I want to ask Zack Taylor, Hey man, you got to start
20:59me. All he does is win games. And Zack gave me a goofy look. This is a few years ago when they
21:04were bad and Fred was in the lineup when they won games. And it was kind of more of a throwaway line
21:08that I, I just wanted to get a quote from him on. But anyway Mike, I can't remember what plate was.
21:15It wasn't that touchdown. I don't think could be wrong. We're Fred Johnson again, Bengals cast off.
21:23He pushed Trey Hendrickson almost to Covington. It felt like he pushed him so far behind the line
21:28of scrimmage. It was embarrassing. And Trey was terrible today. Um, maybe again, part of that is
21:34Fred Johnson keeps emerging as a quality offensive lineman in this league, but he got his ass kicked
21:39by Bengals cast off Fred Johnson. And this shouldn't be a moratorium on me ripping Trey.
21:46Cause I'm trying to, I don't mean it to be that somebody else needs to do something other than
21:50just him, but it comes down to the point of he's not getting home. Who's getting home.
21:56I, well, that's the problem. And if he's, if they're not getting home, it's up to Lou to blitz
22:01or bring me some additional pressure there. I, I didn't sense that he doesn't trust his corners.
22:07Mikey, I don't trust the corners of the moment. It's a problem. Well, that it's, uh, to me moot.
22:12If you don't, that you don't trust your quarters, you let the quarterback sit back there,
22:17especially if it's quarterback like Jalen hurts, who Zach Taylor told us this week,
22:23and he acknowledged this. Jalen hurts does not have the same kind of offensive
22:28responsibilities as quarterback in the pocket that Joe burrow does Joe burrow, uh, deciphers
22:35the defense in front of him, decodes the defense, and then makes his decision where to go.
22:40You know, a, b, c, d options. Okay. That's not what Jalen hurts does. And the point of getting
22:48pressure on a guy like Jalen hurts is make him throw the ball when he doesn't want to throw it.
22:53He's more likely to do that. And maybe you get a turnover or two and change the course of the
22:58game. I just didn't see anybody in Jalen hurts his face for most of the day. Well, almost all
23:04of the day, but I think there's the discount, this combobulation, Mike. Um, we've talked a
23:08little bit about that on offense, but on the defensive side, I think it's, I don't think
23:13lose anti blitz. I think like all coordinators, he wants to get home with four, right? I mean,
23:17that's what you want to get home and drop seven and cover and play that stuff. But I, I think
23:21you're seeing, I mean, even on some of those plays, read drop guys. I mean, you saw DJ turn,
23:28get turned sideways a couple of times. Cam Taylor Britt almost broke his ankles a couple of times.
23:34I don't think he trusts those guys. And I, I don't know what the answer is. I don't think
23:38your point is wrong by any stretch because it's chicken and egg, right? It's do I blitz to make
23:44him throw hot and it's going to help my corners or do I blitz and put my corners on islands that
23:50can give up big plays? Well, hell man, you're giving up big plays anyway. Just maybe it's time
23:54to your point. Maybe it's time to just say, you know what? I love Trey, but we're going to have
23:58to send Logan and we're going to have to send Vaughn bell and we're going to have to send Pratt.
24:02Not all of them at the same time, but we're going to have to blitz more. You know, listen, I'm,
24:06I got home today and I had red zone or I was, I was, I was writing and it's, it's, you know,
24:12it's not tit for tat, but I'm watching Steve Spagnuolo at a couple of key parts in the Kansas
24:16city game. I know they're different. I know they got dudes. I get all that, but there were times
24:20where he put seven guys at the line and said, here we come. And by gosh, if they didn't come
24:25and make it, make it really difficult to the quarterback, that's what you've got to do.
24:29Especially when the offense or the Eagles offense has scored against the Bengals defense on five
24:36straight possessions. Yeah. It's not like what you were doing was working. Correct. You got to try
24:41something different. Remember we brought up Jaden Daniels who had the hail Mary of all hail Mary's
24:47great. Did you watch it by chance? I did. I was watching it with the lovely Deborah Ann and she
24:52lost her mind. And I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. I lost my mind too. I just looked at it. I'm
24:57like, Holy cow. That's one of the, because you know, what's funny about that play, Mike, it was
25:00the easiest hail Mary catch in the history of hail Mary catches. Right. I've never seen it easier.
25:04I haven't either. And to the point where I wonder if Dan help me, Dan Quinn, the head Quinn. Thank
25:15you. Yeah. Washington commander's coach, Dan Quinn practice that where you get into a scrum
25:22and you set a tall guy behind everybody. It was perfect with the you know, design of having the
25:30ball pop up and doing exactly what it did. But anyway, Jaden Daniels threw that ball about 70
25:35yards in the air with a bum rib. Unbelievable. It was Jaden Daniels in that game against the
25:41Bengals. If I'm recalling this correctly, when something like 23 of 28, uh, no, it was, it was,
25:47I think it's better than that. Mike, I think maybe you're right. It was close. It was Dan.
25:53Yeah. It was almost perfect. Well, Jalen hurts in addition to his three
25:59tush push, well, two tush push runs, touchdowns and a end around run for it. He had three
26:05touchdown runs. In addition to that, he was 16 of 20, 236 yards, one TD, his passer rating skinny
26:14one 32.5. That's Jalen hurts, man. That's Jalen hurts doing those things.
26:21Jalen hurts and Jaden Daniels have wrecked the Bengals this year. And I'm just thinking,
26:28what do they have in common? Well, uh, they're athletic. They can move,
26:32they move the pocket pretty well today. Um, and they didn't face a lot of pressure.
26:38At all. By the way, Jaden Daniels. I just looked it up, Mike, on my phone. Jaden Daniels against
26:42the Bengals. I knew it was better than what you thought. I appreciate your, I appreciate you're
26:45close. 21 of 21 of 23, Mike. So these two, these two quarterbacks, hang on. These two quarterbacks
26:52were 37 of 43, man. That's well, it's, it's phenomenal. It's astronomical.
27:01It's unacceptable. If you're Louis, that is not, you're not going to win playing football like
27:07that and not getting pressure on the quarterback. It's just, and that's a question we've got to ask
27:11Lou this week. Like when a team has scored on you for straight possessions, what you're doing
27:17isn't working. Bring the house. What do you have to lose at that point? Yeah. And maybe though,
27:23it's a conversation with Zach saying, Hey, I don't have a lot left in the tank offensively,
27:28man. I got no tea. I'm trying to manage this game. Don't, don't, don't give up big scores,
27:32make them drive again. I'm just surmising. I'm not telling you my argument. My comeback to that
27:38is maybe you get a score off defense or do something like that. Force the game. I think
27:44what really bothers a lot of the Bengal fans and they are really, really upset after this
27:50one understood. Absolutely. They sense that the coaching staff just throws up their hands and
27:56goes, Oh, well we did our best. Nothing we can do. No tea. You know, our guys are playing hard.
28:02We're better. Like, like Zach said, after the game, we're better than what our record shows.
28:08No, you're not. No, you are not. You are what you are. And Zach admitted that he knew it was
28:15almost as if during his post game presser, he spoke the words and then went, Oh, I can't let
28:22that hang out there and said, yes, but I understand our record says we are what we are. And I think
28:29that's the sobering result of today. And that's literally what I'm writing of the sobering result
28:32of today. Isn't just today. It's now the trend of against good teams and the trend of where you are
28:41in this season and what you still have ahead of you. You're just not good enough. And that's,
28:47that's sobering because, you know, there's a possibility T's not here next year. And that
28:52sure doesn't look really good right now at the moment based on what you got around
28:55lose their minds. If you lose T and look, we assume we assume it's going to get Jamar is
29:04going to get signed. Imagine the conversation that would have to be had with Joe. If somehow
29:11they lost T and Jamar and it's in the realm of possibility. I'm not saying it is no Joe would
29:18lose his mind. And I think a lot of fans when they were listening to Joe after the game this afternoon
29:24thought the same thing I did. This dude is ready to go. He's ready to blow. Dude. I will tell you,
29:30I don't think it's in his personality, but Mike, I didn't think he was going to blow today, but you
29:37could, like I said, it looked like you killed everything dear and near to him. And then you
29:43said, you know what the hell with you guy have a good life. It just, it felt like, I mean, he is
29:50one of those guys who I admire for this. I coached high school basketball and coached AAU. And I love
29:56kids just hate to lose. I just love those kids because I hate to lose more than I even like to
30:01win. And I love those kinds. And I think that's Joe burrow. I think he enjoys the win, but I also
30:07think he so hates to lose that. It just grinds at him. And now guess what? Rookie year's one thing,
30:14right? After rookie year success, success, and then dealing with injury. And then before he got
30:19hurt again with the, with the wrist, it was four straight wins and success. So he knows what success
30:24is. And all of a sudden they can't find success. And I don't think he'll ever resign himself to
30:30that fact, but part of me today went, God, he's resigned to the fact that they stink.
30:35And that's, that's a bad place to be. I'm going to ask you this because you covered them
30:40as well as I did. I mean, as well as I observed them and observed this quarterback from afar
30:46and that's Carson Palmer. Yep. That name kept entering my consciousness today,
30:54watching this game and watching post game Joe burrow. And I'm like, I don't think he's going
31:00to approach that because I think there's a competitiveness in Joe burrow that probably
31:06wasn't there with Carson Palmer. What do you say to that? Yeah, no, I think that's probably right.
31:10I think Carson was competitive in his own way. I think Carson got really frustrated at times with
31:16Chad doing his own thing and trying to figure out where are you going with your route? Where am I
31:20supposed to throw this ball? And again, I, that sounds like a criticism of Chad. I guess it is
31:26because Chad did his own thing. And when they were on the same page, it worked out beautifully. And
31:31then, um, you know, I, I do think he got frustrated with where things were contractually.
31:36And so it was a different time and place in the free agency market and in the, in the market in
31:41general. I think today, usually, you know, if you're getting paid or not, and Joe obviously
31:46got paid. So there can't be frustration there from getting paid. There can be frustration there from
31:51having some of his guys not getting paid. I fully understand that. I think it's a little
31:55apples to oranges. I do think this though, I don't think Joe burrow needs it to be perfect for
32:01him to compete. I mean, I thought, you know, if you go back and look at his backstory, I mean,
32:06he competed his ass off at Ohio state and they probably weren't wrong in how they made that
32:12decision on who the quarterback was going to be, but Joe perceived it as wrong and rightfully so,
32:17because he thought he did everything to be the job. So I'm going to go look somewhere else
32:21winds up at LSU and then shows what he can do. Comes the NFL shows what he can do.
32:26I do think this is a frustrating time because it feels like all the onus is almost on him.
32:33And to some degree on Jamar chase, cause T's been out for three, they're only three without T
32:37and there's just, there's nobody else. There's no run game. There's, it might get sick. He had
32:42a nice game today, but there's no, there's no other option. And at that point, where do you
32:48go offensively? Where do you go as a quarterback? How do you keep fighting through this? I think
32:52he's trying to say the right things and listen, things will probably be hunky Dory because the
32:58Raiders stink and you get to that. But man, those two games before the bi-week Mike, they put you
33:03behind the eight ball. I mean, if you're four and seven after those games, then guys make business
33:08decisions. Hell Joe might make them for all I know. That is something I'm sure the Bengals and
33:14fans would like to not see happen. Yes. Yes. Let's not borrow trouble skinny. I guess let's
33:21see what happens next week at home. Maybe they should a home game. What do you think?
33:27They should like six. If you include the two preseason losses, yes, they are. Oh,
33:32in six, a Bengal fan has yet to walk out of pay core stadium this season feeling victory.
33:39The last time they did was the season finale against in a meaningless game.
33:45In a totally meaningless game. Yes, it's insane. That's part of the NFL, right? Is you go,
33:52you know, depending on how many home games is now a split schedule. Sometimes you got nine.
33:56Sometimes you got eight. I mean, you get eight home games. You should go six and two to minimum,
34:00maybe five and three to worst. You're already at four. I mean, you're already for the negative
34:05column. You're already at four, including the loss to one of, and you would agree with this
34:09as a new England Patriots, former reporter gets one of the worst teams in the NFL. I know they
34:12won today. God love them. All that stuff. They're terrible. You've got a loss to the, that's the
34:17part to all of this. Your three wins are against terrible teams and none of them came easy. One of
34:22your losses is to a terrible team and your other three losses or other four losses rather to good
34:27teams, but I lost. And that's where I just go back to. I wish I wasn't there and I wasn't there
34:34going into today. I honestly thought defense is making strides. Offense is doing just enough
34:39offense has played two good defenses. The last couple of weeks they'll come to life. And that
34:43first drive today, I went, Hmm, okay, here we go. It's a good drive. Uh, five and five on third
34:47downs, big drive to a field goal on the response. Yes, exactly. Well, this is different than
34:53Washington. No question. And here we go. This, this is going to be a really good win today.
34:58And at the end of the day, you go, you're just not good enough. And I don't think it's going
35:02to change. As Mike Hilton told us, something's got to change in 30 seconds. Do you know what
35:08that is? I don't. And that's the part to me, you know, what's got to change is I hate to do. This
35:13is your off seasons have to be better. Your drafts have to be better. Your signings have
35:18to be better. Um, your decision makings have to be better. I hate to do that. I, I shouldn't be
35:23there eight games into the season. I hope that goodness for Bengals fans that come out of the
35:27biweek. They're like, Hey, you idiot. They're sitting now at, at a seven and four or six and
35:32five. You're a dope. I hope you're, you're, I hope you guys are right. I unfortunately think
35:38I'm right. I just don't think this is a very good football team. And I came to that sober
35:42realization today. All right. That is what you're working on for local 12. Anything else skinny
35:47that you are working on post-game? Yeah, no, just this podcast, which I completely enjoy Michael.
35:52So thanks for that. We got that. We've got, I did a post-game thing on the field with one of our
35:57sports anchors. That'll be on local 12, uh, the game stories up there too. I know you've got all
36:01kinds of stuff at your media platforms as well. It's it's what we do Mike on Bengals Sundays or
36:08Thursdays or Mondays or whenever the hell they play skinny. That makes two of us who enjoyed
36:13this podcast. Uh, it was a rough day for Bengal fans, but sometimes we are here to provide that
36:20psychological coping therapy. Yeah. Even though, you know, on talk shows you get to call in,
36:26you don't call into this podcast, maybe down the road, if the powers that be give us the
36:32maneuverability and the, uh, technology to handle calls, maybe we can explore that.
36:37But we hope that Bengal fans watch this and kind of went along, nodded their head and,
36:43and thought, yep, skinny and trags nailed that, uh, issues right on the head of what we're thinking.
36:50If we could do that, we did. Okay. No, as I say, I'm going to guess the pitchforks though,
36:55are out for everybody, hopefully other than us. Cause I can see where, where this is going.
37:00I will tell you back in the day, my radio partner, Tom Gamble, and I used to host the
37:04Bengals post game talk show. And, uh, it was a year where Scott Mitchell, um, of the Detroit
37:09lions through an interception over time to Corey Sawyer for interception. And that was a terrible
37:14Bengals team. You could see every jump street, but that I think made them one-on-one at the time.
37:18And I made every caller that called in say, thank you, Scott Mitchell. And most people got
37:22so mad at me, like, screw you. You're an idiot. They won the game. I'm like, they ain't winning
37:27many more guys. You better thank Scott Mitchell while you can. So there was one other thing that
37:31Scott Mitchell did that will earn him. Um, uh, ignominy, uh, for all times he spiked himself.
37:40Oh, spiked himself. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so sorry. Yes, yes, absolutely.
37:44How could you ever mention Scott Mitchell and forget that now that was in Bengal stripes?
37:49Yes. Yes, it was. All right. We've got to wrap it up here. Uh, skinny. You're awesome.
37:53Uh, be sure to check out, uh, skinny's stuff on the X at local skinny. I'm sorry. At,
38:02at local 12 skinny. Got it. I got it right. Yes. At local 12 skinny. Uh, he's got everything up
38:09there at a local 12.com. Follow my stuff at trags T R a G S on the X. And of course, as always,
38:18uh, on our platform, CLNS sincey with a Y.com. Now, finally, again, it was the Bengals losing
38:26to the Eagles. First time ever that Philadelphia came to Cincinnati and got a win 37 to 17
38:33until next week. He's Richard Skinner. I'm Mike Petralia. Thanks for watching.