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00:00Come episode 6, Sal and Sophia team up to align the powers that they have to get Oz.
00:12It's unthinkable. The man that she was raised to believe is their number one enemy.
00:16He's so warm to her, and ironically, fatherly.
00:20Do you want this chopped?
00:21Sure.
00:22I always thought of it as a father making a grilled cheese for his daughter late at night.
00:26When he finds out what happened to Nadia and Taj, his world falls apart.
00:31Sophia comes in and kind of rescues him from that pit of despair and gives him purpose again.
00:37The only thing he wants to do is kill that guy.
00:40It's a great strategic tactic. It puts Oz on his back foot.
00:48They're circling back near where Oz grew up in Crown Point.
00:51Crown Point, it's a good place to hide because sadly, no one in the city seems to care about Crown Point.
01:00Oz is so despicable. You've kind of given up hope of having any sympathy for him.
01:05And then you see him with his mom, and you see him so delicately and gently pull her out of the water.
01:11Here was an opportunity to really get to the crux of what their relationship was about.
01:16I need you to help me. You gotta help me die.
01:20She has to tell him that she realizes what's going on.
01:23Say you'll do it. You mean it. Because you love me.
01:27Alright. I'll do it.
01:30The helplessness of that for anyone, but for a woman like that, it's just horrifying.
01:44The reprise of the music is something that Matt came up with.
01:48They both want to go back to an earlier part of their lives, and obviously they can't.
01:55The close-ups keep you out of the realm of reality. It kind of keeps you in the world of fantasy.
02:01Even though there's the reality of his dirty fingers that you constantly see, which is, I think, a really great detail.
02:10That reminds me of our police diner. Don't it, Ma?
02:13When they come down to sit and have the breakfast together, there was this sense of a routine.
02:17Ma, we ain't gonna be here much longer. Not with all the cash we got coming in. Ain't that right, Vic?
02:22Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Big money.
02:24The writing of the scene, that was purposeful to kind of lull us into a sense of calm, like are we watching a family discussion?
02:31Thank you, sweetheart. You're a good boy.
02:34Victor feels very connected to Oz and very connected to Frances. They're his new makeshift family.
02:39He's pardoned a bit, carrying a gun, and he meets Squid again.
02:44He is a bad guy, always watching Victor.
02:47Yo, where you getting your money from, Victor?
02:49He brings up Frances. He brings up knowing that he saw this older woman.
02:55He could end up harming Frances. He could end up harming the operation, end up telling Sal and Sophia where they are.
03:02And Victor cannot let that happen.
03:04When Victor tries to go to Oz, Oz is not available emotionally.
03:08So Victor knows he has to take care of the Squid problem by himself.
03:13Where your people at?
03:15That scene, it's not covered so much in close-ups.
03:19It's a little bit wider, because you kind of want to see the relationship between the two.
03:24But the thing was, you know, when does Vic turn to the dark side?
03:28He gets to that situation, and it's not going the way he planned at all.
03:31Very quickly, he has to make a very big decision, and it's a huge turning point.
03:38There's really no going back now.
03:40He's in the life of someone that he's known for years and years and years since he was a child.
03:42I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
03:44And he sees him dying in front of him. That's not an easy thing to process at all.
03:50And then Victor goes to Oz. There's a really beautiful, lovely, quiet moment between them.
03:55You've done the right thing. Protected those you care about.
03:59I think it's a really beautiful scene. Oz sort of softens up and is there for him, because he knows that Victor needs that.
04:04That actually, I think, is one of our darker moments.
04:07It gets easier.
04:09And it's a little bit like, welcome to this life.
04:12And the fact that he says it gets easier means that you're going to kill more and more people,
04:16and you'll stop feeling what you're feeling right now.
04:26It was important to me to have Eve and Sophia meet, because I always felt like that dynamic was really intriguing.
04:32Eve has always been a little afraid of Sophia,
04:35and knew some of the women that died and presumed that Sophia is the one who killed them.
04:39What? Didn't recognize me?
04:41I don't even know how I would have approached the character had that scene not be there,
04:45because it's such a sort of deconstructed version that you get to see of her,
04:50that suddenly everything else has context.
04:52Sophia feels so free at this point that I think she looks at Eve with judgment in terms of like,
04:59how sad for you that you still have to perform, that you still have to pretend to be this thing.
05:03It was a very long scene, five pages, and we really wanted to make it as dynamic as possible.
05:08So we used the space as best we could, and we kept it moving, and we gave Kristen a reason to move,
05:15which kind of worked with the dialogue and with what she wanted to do in the scene.
05:20Dressing like this, is this for you or your client?
05:24Depends. I've never seen this version of you.
05:27Sophia gets to see Eve in a way that we've never seen her before.
05:30Completely raw, real. There's no role play happening.
05:34So she's definitely attempting, I think, to present as though this is going to be an honest exchange,
05:40while there is still part of her that's going to try her damnedest to find her way out.
05:44This woman meant nothing to you. You're family to me.
05:48You still think I'm the hangman? He never told you?
05:52My father killed those women. Osnew.
05:55And that is the turn in the scene where Kristen actually confronts her face to face for the first time,
06:00and then they finally start talking to each other.
06:03It's quite a surprise to Eve that she's been betrayed by Oz.
06:07And I think there's this very quick recalibration as to how then to handle Sophia,
06:12because if he's willing to throw me under the bus, then what am I doing protecting him?
06:19You were his alibi. You knew. None of her.
06:24None of her, yeah.
06:27Just leave my girls alone.
06:29That's why you asked me here, to save them from the hangman.
06:32That's not who you are, right?
06:35Eve and her girls may be the strongest family unit we have on the show.
06:39It breaks Sophia's heart when she realizes that Eve has more of a family than she ever will,
06:45and I think it really hits home her own loneliness, and it catches her.
06:49And I think when I see that vulnerability, there's something about the woman in me that has a moment of compassion.
06:57If I take her at her word and she isn't the hangman, then she's been no more used as I've probably been.
07:05So that puts us in the same boat.
07:08It's two women from sort of different sides of Gotham coming together and realizing something about Oz,
07:15having a connection and a bond.
07:17Throughout this show, they have been pitted against each other,
07:22but ultimately understand that all we've got is each other as women in this sort of world.
07:28We're on point.
07:29You deserve your shot, but where you got that information?
07:33It'll stay between us.