Ipinaliwanag ni Atty. Chel Diokno ang kanilang pagkakaintindi sa "negate" at "neutralize" na ginagamit ng PNP. Tugon niya kay Rep. Gerville Luistro, tila "kill" o "terminate" ang ibig sabihin ng mga ito.
Itinanggi naman ito ni Police Colonel Hector Grijaldo Jr. at ng ibang opisyal ng PNP. Panoorin ang video.
Itinanggi naman ito ni Police Colonel Hector Grijaldo Jr. at ng ibang opisyal ng PNP. Panoorin ang video.
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00:00I just wanna be enlightened about the manifestation given by Atty. Chell Jokno.
00:08Ano po ba talaga yung literal na meaning nung negate?
00:12And when you share this circular, and you said that that really means to kill,
00:20do you mean to say that by negate, by PNP language, its meaning now is to kill?
00:31Is that what you mean to say, Attorney?
00:34Yes, Your Honor. Actually, Colonel Espinido also in a previous hearing used the term neutralize to mean to kill.
00:43He testified to that, and today the PDEA chief has also used those terms in the same way.
00:51Nung una po namin nabasa yung memorandum circular na pinirmahan ni General De La Rosa,
00:59doon po kami nagtaka kasi alam naman natin na yung trabaho ng PNP ay mag-case build-up,
01:05mag-manghuli, at mag-sampan ng reklamo.
01:08Pero nagtaka kami kung bakit dinagdagan pa nila ng to negate and to neutralize
01:14when those are not legal terms and those are not part of the duties of any member of the Philippine National Police.
01:22That led us to conclude that yun ang ibig sabihin,
01:27and that has been confirmed by several members of the PNP before this quad committee.
01:34Would you agree with me, Attorney, that literally, by negate, it means to belay.
01:42By neutralize, it means to remove the danger. That's the literal meaning.
01:49Yes, Your Honor. In ordinary parlance, that is the meaning.
01:54But I think if you were to ask the members of the Philippine National Police
01:59and those involved in law enforcement in our country,
02:02ang pagka-intindi na po nila ng neutralize at negate ay ganun din sa nabanggit ni PDEA General G.G. Lasso.
02:11In other words, what gave the term negate and neutralize the meaning which is to kill
02:20is the concept of war on drugs that has been introduced, that was introduced during the past administration.
02:28Yes, Your Honor. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
02:31Thank you, Congresswoman Luistro. Just for clarification, Attorney Giocno,
02:36so when you say negate, this is in the PNP parlance, meaning eliminate, extricate, kill.
02:47Yung po ba ang ibig sabihin nun?
02:49Yes, Your Honor, especially in the context of the circular issued by then Chief De La Rosa in the war on drugs.
02:56In the absence of a specific word, say kill, would that be interpreted as kill as well?
03:04That is our conclusion because if they meant to apprehend or to charge or to conduct case build-up,
03:11madali lang po sabihin yun eh. Hindi na kailangan sabihin na mag-negate o mag-neutralize.
03:16But isn't negate imply that parang neutralize in a way that to stop its operation?
03:28You neutralize, you stop it. Is that the way it should be understood?
03:35Sa atin pong mga ordinaryong mamamayan, ganun pong yung pagkaintindi natin.
03:40But I recall Colonel Espinido in a previous hearing before this committee also said that to neutralize means to kill or to eliminate.
03:50Okay, thank you po. Let me ask naman the opinion of Colonel Grijaldo. Does negate mean kill in the PNP parlance?
04:03It is being used sir as to negate or to stop or to, I mean sir, parang na-ano na sir, na-ano na yung, na-negate na sir.
04:19Angyari sir, na-sa-alistahan na, na-negated na yung operation niya sir. Yun yung hinagamit sa PNP.
04:26But does that mean in the PNP lingo, eh, does that also mean to kill?
04:34No sir.
04:35No. Si Colonel Patay, ganun din po ba ang inyong opinion?
04:39Yes your honor, it doesn't mean that negation is killing. That's stopping his or her activities.
04:46Si, thank you. Si Colonel Castillo, ano po ang inyong opinion?
04:51Sir, ganun din po.
04:53Si Colonel Petalio.
04:55Ganun din sir, ganun din po.
04:57Si Colonel Garduque.
04:59Yes sir, the same sir.
05:01Si, what's his name, Colonel, yeah, Colonel Andula.
05:07Yes sir, same po sir, your honor.
05:10So you all agree, or you are all in agreement that the word negate, as stated in that memorandum, does not mean to kill?
05:24Yun na yun yung pagkakasabi, hindi ba?
05:28So, how do you now, example, how do you now negate a high value target, a drug lord?
05:37Papami yun, alam niyong mangalalaban yun, hindi magpapahuli ng buhay yun.
05:46It's just a thought that I'd like to expound eventually.