مدي 1 تي في : عزيزة العراقي.. مغربية تعمل بجد على نشر الفن والجمال - 21/10/2024
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00:00Welcome to a new episode of your daily and artistic show, Patreon.
00:20We are happy to be here with you every day and every night to share with you some of the latest news from the art scene.
00:28Let's start now.
00:34Hello again, we are going to walk and discover who is our guest of the day.
00:58We are going to walk and discover who is our guest of the day.
01:18My name is Naf Tanja and I am from Iraq.
01:20I am a dynamic and active woman.
01:24I want to create an environment where people can stay in the future and in the city of Tanja.
01:28I came here because of my father's illness.
01:31He had Alzheimer's.
01:33He was the only one left in the shop.
01:35My father was the owner of the shop.
01:37I wanted to do something for the shop.
01:40My father's condition was very bad.
01:44I wanted to do something related to the story of my father and mother's life.
01:53I designed the furniture in the first gallery.
01:59When it came to the paintings, I couldn't do them in a decorative way.
02:04In my father's family, there were a lot of artists and intellectuals.
02:09I didn't have the opportunity to do them in a decorative way.
02:35I am Aziza Laraki.
02:37I am a Spanish mother and a Moroccan father.
02:40I have been a gallery owner in Tanja since 2017.
02:48I never really wanted to open a gallery in Tanja.
02:50It all happened in a very personal and special context.
02:54The shop where this space belonged to my father had Alzheimer's.
02:58My father had to continue to live and socialize.
03:02First, it was a space for design.
03:07Our guest today is a friend of the artists and founders of the Art Gallery in Tanja.
03:14Hello, Aziza Laraki.
03:16Hello. Thank you very much for the invitation.
03:19I am very happy to be with you today.
03:21Hello. How are you?
03:23Great.
03:24Tell us about the story of the Art Gallery in Tanja.
03:30Actually, it wasn't a gallery.
03:32It all happened by chance.
03:34My father had Alzheimer's.
03:38The only thing I wanted was to give life to the shop.
03:42The shop was in a very bad condition, like my father's.
03:48I wanted to give life to my father, but it wasn't possible.
03:53Alzheimer's was degenerative.
03:55There was no solution.
03:56The only thing we could do was to socialize.
04:00That was the key.
04:04I wanted to give life to the shop.
04:06The Art Gallery is a tribute to your father's memory.
04:10The memory of his childhood.
04:12Exactly.
04:13This is the shop where you can see his memories, his works of art.
04:17It is a tribute to your father's life.
04:19Did your father know you?
04:21Yes.
04:22Especially in the beginning, the antiquities, the brocante, etc.
04:26He was a bazaarist.
04:28When he got married to my mother, his works of art, etc.
04:33We already had that in the family.
04:36At first, he was interested in furniture, design, etc.
04:41But when he came, he was interested in paintings.
04:43He didn't care about decorative paintings.
04:45Today, they are not valued.
04:47Exactly.
04:48So, I went to other galleries.
04:51I met a few artists on Place Tangieroise.
04:54But I didn't want to go back to the Art Gallery.
04:57I was interested in paintings, not in decorative paintings.
05:01I didn't choose the art, I chose the artists.
05:06The artists supported me a lot.
05:08I loved them a lot.
05:10I was happy in this field.
05:13They helped me a lot.
05:16I remember, Aziza, that you didn't film in any other place.
05:21You used to film in one place.
05:24It wasn't illogical to film in another place.
05:28For me, that place was what I was looking for.
05:32Its dynamism, its activity.
05:35I wanted to recreate the atmosphere we had in that place.
05:41As far as I know, this land, this house, was originally called Aziza.
05:48You can't imagine the coincidences that happened in this place.
05:54When we first came here, I didn't know about it.
05:58I had already been to a gallery.
06:00I had worked there.
06:01They told me that I had to do something.
06:03My father was coming.
06:05I had to do something.
06:06When we first came here,
06:08the French title of the land was Aziza.
06:11I told you, it was like a book.
06:14I didn't know about it.
06:16I didn't choose it.
06:17He chose me.
06:19You are from an artistic family.
06:22Yes.
06:23You have an uncle.
06:25Your mother was a famous Spanish artist.
06:29A great artist.
06:30Your grandfather was a publisher of old books.
06:34He was one of the first to publish books.
06:38You have a connection with antiquity and works of art.
06:42You have a very important family spirit.
06:45Yes.
06:46I think that everything happened thanks to the family.
06:49I can't lie.
06:53It wasn't invented.
06:55My mother is from Madrid.
06:58Her brother is a confirmed artist in Madrid.
07:05My other uncle is an antique dealer in Durán.
07:09He has a big house in front of the auction house.
07:11He specializes in old books.
07:13My grandfather is a reader of the Spanish royal house.
07:16He has parchments, paper, gold, etc.
07:25My uncle is a painter.
07:27I was his protégé.
07:29Yasmin, Aziza.
07:31I looked exotic.
07:34You were inspired.
07:36Yes.
07:37I painted hands and feet for him.
07:39He only painted naked women.
07:41It was out of the question.
07:43But I did paint hands and feet for him.
07:46I have a lot of memories of my uncle.
07:50My father was an antique dealer.
07:54He was the first bazaar in Madrid.
07:56He represented Morocco many times.
08:01Do you know your mother and father?
08:04As far as I know, yes.
08:06Don't worry.
08:07You're making me laugh.
08:09When you talk to your parents,
08:13you learn a lot from your uncle.
08:15Yes.
08:16He was my father.
08:18In Spanish, when you talk to your parents,
08:22they are the ones who talk to you.
08:24When I talked to them,
08:26they would say,
08:27goodbye, goodbye.
08:29I went to his house.
08:31It was a wonderful stay.
08:33A lot of freedom, a lot of culture,
08:35art.
08:37It was a dream.
08:39You live in Morocco.
08:41Spain is far away.
08:43It's like a dream.
08:45It was a dream to sit with him.
08:48Today, you are at the head of the Darf Gallery
08:51in Tanja.
08:53You do exhibitions,
08:55you read,
08:56you paint.
08:58Do you still hold showcases?
09:03I still do,
09:04but I think about it a lot.
09:07In culture and art,
09:11there are a lot of things.
09:13Design, photography, painting, sculpture,
09:16literature, poetry, music,
09:19and fashion.
09:21I think it's very important.
09:23I don't do business.
09:25I sell paintings.
09:27No, there are other things
09:29that give us life.
09:32For you, the message is more important than the business.
09:34Yes, absolutely.
09:36A message of multiculturalism,
09:38openness,
09:40love for art.
09:43May God bless you.
09:45Thank you, Jamal.
09:47But what can paintings be like?
09:49They are a bit similar,
09:51they are relative,
09:53but their message is strong.
09:55The artist doesn't feel down,
09:57or tired.
09:59The message is beautiful.
10:01Pain can be beautiful,
10:05or it can be beautiful.
10:07It depends on the perspective.
10:11But the message is beautiful.
10:13It's very relative.
10:15So,
10:17for three years in a row,
10:19in my generation,
10:21there are young graduates
10:23from the School of Fine Arts in Tétouan,
10:25because it's close by.
10:27So, young people,
10:29who have just left school,
10:31we give them a chance
10:33to know how to make a contract,
10:35how to make a portfolio,
10:37how to hang a painting,
10:39because there is patience,
10:41and research,
10:43but in reality,
10:45it's something else.
10:47So, we give them this chance.
10:49So, art is a way
10:53to sublimate,
10:55to transform,
10:57to change pain
10:59into something higher.
11:01Excellent.
11:05Your words were very inspiring.
11:07We can feel the passion,
11:09the passion,
11:11and the passion you have
11:13to defend art and artists.
11:15This is very important
11:17in a gallery.
11:19One of the things you focus on
11:21in your gallery is light.
11:23In many galleries,
11:25there is no lighting,
11:27no lighting.
11:29You are a television man,
11:31you know that everything is light.
11:33Everything is light,
11:35prism,
11:37transparency.
11:39I have noticed a lot,
11:41as I told you before,
11:43that the shop is dark.
11:45Water does not shine.
11:47The first time I was in a gallery,
11:49maybe it was too bright,
11:51but now it shines.
11:53Tanja and Chamal
11:55have a beautiful light.
11:57A special light.
11:59So, naturally,
12:01this is what I focus on,
12:03and I think that light is life.
12:07I will play a game with Aziz,
12:09a quiz,
12:11with quick questions,
12:13and you have to choose
12:15one of the answers
12:17as quickly as possible.
12:19OK.
12:21Madrid or Seville?
12:23Madrid.
12:25Madrid or Tanja?
12:29Tanja.
12:31Madrid.
12:33She is honest.
12:37Antiquity or Brocante?
12:39Antiquity.
12:41Andy Warhol or Banksy?
12:43Andy Warhol.
12:45Barca or Real?
12:47Real.
12:49Real.
12:51No, I like Barcelona a lot.
12:53I respect them a lot.
12:55They are great, etc.
12:57But I am from Madrid.
12:59I would even say Atlético de Madrid.
13:01But with respect to my mother,
13:03I would say Real Madrid.
13:05FC Barcelona, not a little?
13:07No, not at all.
13:09Do you want to play another game?
13:11No, I can't.
13:13Service or flower?
13:15Service.
13:17Money or fame?
13:19Neither money nor fame.
13:21Love, heart.
13:23Bravo.
13:25Self-taught artist or trained artist?
13:27Thank God,
13:29I have a weakness for trained artists.
13:31But,
13:33when we all have the chance,
13:35I am self-taught in art.
13:37So,
13:39I don't want to be unfair.
13:41Omar Mahfoudi or Anwar Khalifi?
13:45Omar Mahfoudi.
13:47Do you like Anwar?
13:49I like him a lot, too.
13:51Abdelkerim Ouazani or
13:53Fouad Bellamine?
13:55Oh my God, impossible.
13:57This is a trap.
13:59No, honestly,
14:01both helped me a lot.
14:03They are two completely different schools,
14:05but they complement each other.
14:13As a teacher,
14:15I like Fouad Bellamine,
14:17but as a person,
14:19I like
14:21Ouazani.
14:23But,
14:25I like them both.
14:27Picasso or Dali?
14:29Picasso.
14:31Lithography or sculpture?
14:33Sculpture.
14:35You like sculpture, don't you?
14:37Yes.
14:39My father was more into sculpture
14:41than painting.
14:43Unique piece or series?
14:47The reality is
14:49that it's a unique piece.
14:51I'm not going to lie.
14:53But the series is very important.
14:55It's the artist's income.
14:57It's the artist's income.
14:59It's the democratization of art.
15:01It's a lot of things that
15:03we don't have here in Morocco.
15:05A collector or an investor?
15:07A collector.
15:09A human or an animal?
15:13It's hard to say.
15:17The truth is
15:19an animal.
15:21A human is
15:23a dangerous animal
15:27that is looking for something other than survival.
15:31A human is more dangerous than an animal.
15:35Wow!
15:37So, for you,
15:39the good is more in the animal
15:41than in the human?
15:43Always.
15:45No comment.
15:47Vintage or contemporary?
15:49I'm contemporary by nature.
15:53Since I'm from the 70s and 80s,
15:55especially 80s,
15:57I'm very pop.
15:59I'm contemporary.
16:01But I love vintage.
16:03The last one, the Kasbah or the magazine?
16:07The truth is the magazine.
16:09Because I'm very urban,
16:11downtown.
16:13But I also like the Kasbah.
16:15There's a family there.
16:17Anyway, thank you very much.
16:19It wasn't easy, but you did it.
16:21Yes, there were traps.
16:25Can you give us a word
16:27about Hassan Hijja?
16:29What do you think of him?
16:31I like him a lot.
16:33Very contemporary.
16:35Photos and installations.
16:37I love it.
16:39He marked
16:41a way of working
16:43that many young people follow now.
16:45What about Hicham Lahlou, the designer?
16:49Very contemporary.
16:51Very good. Very international.
16:53Very Italian. I like him a lot.
16:55I like him a lot.
16:57Adorable.
16:59Easygoing.
17:01A very kind person.
17:03Mehdi Kotbe.
17:05Mehdi Kotbe.
17:07I see him often.
17:09We meet.
17:11He's the director,
17:13general president of the foundation.
17:15He does a wonderful job
17:17for museums.
17:19There are still many Moroccans,
17:21but that's it.
17:23For you, Aziza,
17:25what do you think
17:27about the digitalization of art?
17:29There are many QR codes
17:31in paintings.
17:33Some museums
17:35and galleries
17:37offer a panoramic
17:39digital visit
17:41on the web.
17:43Is this something that keeps us
17:45away from touching
17:47and approaching art?
17:49No.
17:51With COVID,
17:53we all understood
17:55that digital is a must.
17:57We are contemporary.
17:59We are in our art.
18:01We need to develop it.
18:03I use QR codes.
18:05I use social media
18:07a lot.
18:09But
18:11you can't change
18:13the experience
18:15of being in front of a painting
18:17and contemplating it in silence.
18:19Not even on the day
18:21of painting.
18:25I can't buy a painting
18:27without seeing it.
18:29There are people who do it
18:31because they know the artist.
18:33But digital
18:35is the future.
18:37We can't keep it.
18:39We need to
18:41follow
18:43our time.
18:45Is there a problem
18:47with the transportation
18:49of the painting?
18:51No.
18:53When we talk about
18:55art direction,
18:57professionals,
18:59when I see
19:01contemporary artists
19:03who are still alive,
19:05I don't have a problem
19:07with heritage.
19:09I can say many things
19:11outside.
19:13You just need to have
19:15a passion for it.
19:17What do you like to buy?
19:19What do you like to collect?
19:21I like everything
19:23contemporary,
19:25colorful,
19:27painted,
19:29but
19:31I like
19:33the darkness,
19:35the ink of China,
19:37black and white.
19:39I like the work
19:41of Sifu Ed Blamin,
19:43who is much more intellectual,
19:45very researched.
19:49In the gallery,
19:51we make very diversified choices,
19:53diverse.
19:55We like young people,
19:57we like dedicated ones,
19:59but always with
20:01contemporaneity
20:03or modernity.
20:05Modernity.
20:07Yes.
20:09Do you think this beautiful painting
20:11is made for a young person?
20:13Yes,
20:15this is the battle
20:17that I always fought.
20:19It is the question of
20:21art,
20:23I am from
20:25marketing and
20:27communication,
20:29so I like to show
20:31the artists
20:33or
20:35I try to democratize
20:37art.
20:39It is not the same
20:41because it is a luxury product,
20:43but we have lithography,
20:45serigraphy,
20:47everything is possible.
20:49If you have the desire
20:51and the passion,
20:53you can do
20:55what you like.
20:57If you have a small space,
20:59a small budget,
21:01but art
21:03should not be limited
21:05by money.
21:07Art is beautiful,
21:09if you like something
21:11and you believe in it,
21:13everything is possible.
21:15But
21:17life
21:19is
21:21a dichotomy,
21:23but
21:25life is full of
21:27this kind of things.
21:29What is your relationship with Burkhan?
21:31Burkhan's man.
21:33Burkhan's man, yes.
21:35Maybe
21:37one of the articles
21:39where you participated in the show
21:41was about your husband,
21:43or was it a gift?
21:45Yes, I bought it for my husband,
21:47it was a gift for him,
21:49because I do not have a man
21:51who is open and understanding,
21:53but at the same time,
21:55on the ground,
21:57maybe he is a little crazy
21:59with the artists,
22:01but thank God,
22:03I have a husband
22:05who supports me.
22:07He is Moroccan, pure and hard,
22:09he prays, he is a good man.
22:11So,
22:13we do not have to go around in life,
22:15and if we have a good partner,
22:17we get along well.
22:19Do you think he is a little crazy
22:21with the artists, or is it him?
22:23Well,
22:25it depends.
22:27It depends.
22:29No, it is a balance.
22:31We have to find a balance in life.
22:33Do you think he is crazy with the artists,
22:35or is it him?
22:37Well,
22:39my son wants to be a chef,
22:41and cooking and art
22:43have a lot in common.
22:45My son,
22:47he is an agronomist,
22:49and I am a farmer.
22:53But he plants,
22:55and he is good.
22:57What are the exhibitions
22:59you are going to show us tomorrow?
23:01Tomorrow, God willing,
23:03we have an exhibition of Adel Rabeh,
23:05a great painter from the North,
23:07who has not been very popular
23:09in the rest of Morocco.
23:11On the other hand, in the North,
23:13he is very famous,
23:15a professor at the School of Fine Arts in Tetouan,
23:17a professor at the School of Architecture,
23:19and I think it is a nice surprise
23:21for all of Morocco,
23:23because art is universal.
23:25God willing,
23:27I would like to thank you, Aziza.
23:29Welcome.
23:31Thank you very much.
23:33I am very happy
23:35to have a program like this in Morocco.
23:37It is my duty.
23:39Thank you very much, Aziza.
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