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00:01:11Welcome once again to as the real turn to your place for all things movie and television and we have got yes another great show
00:01:17For you, we are going to continue our summer of Star Trek
00:01:21We have covered all the series from the original to Enterprise and then last time we covered all the ones all the films from
00:01:29Motion picture up to generations. Now, we're going to cover the second half of the films of Star Trek
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00:01:58So much more Star Trek is coming your way. Like I said before there have been 13 films all together
00:02:05And we covered the first seven now before and now we're gonna do eight through
00:02:1013 which is the rest of next generation and the Kelvin timeline films
00:02:15And we have got some great Star Trek fans to talk about them with we got my good friend
00:02:20Christy and my other good friend Timothy. Hello again. Yes
00:02:24Welcome to the show
00:02:26So thank you guys for coming on the show again
00:02:29You guys were talked about the films last time. So it's great to have you talk about the second half of the films now
00:02:35So, you know we can we can do this Batman 66 style where we last left the Star Trek films
00:02:44we were the last one we covered was generations, which was
00:02:48You know secretly called Star Trek passing the torch
00:02:52Kirk and his
00:02:54Not crew but his story line basically is over he's dead
00:03:03We can all have a moment there
00:03:06And now now next generation has taken over the film baton and they have
00:03:13started their own film
00:03:16Journey, which I want to quickly say, you know, this is this is just a tiny tiny opinion question
00:03:22I want to move on to the films
00:03:24Why is it that the original series and next generation crews only get the films?
00:03:28What happened to Deep Space Nine and Voyager and Enterprise? I feel like they should all get at least one
00:03:34I I heard that at one point
00:03:37Paramount's plan
00:03:38Was to milk this cow till it was desiccated. Oh, they're still doing that
00:03:43Yeah, but there I heard and this was back in the 90s that the original plan was yes
00:03:49Next-gen films while DS 9 is on the air next-gen film stops
00:03:55DS 9s off the air Voyager is on while we do DS 9 film
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00:04:02Enterprises on while we do Voyager films. I
00:04:06Honestly, I think Paramount just started running into financial difficulties and it wasn't sustainable
00:04:12I mean, would you both be on board for at least just one from each other series? I feel like yeah
00:04:17I mean, I feel like the ending of Deep Space Nine the way Deep Space Nine ended from what I've heard
00:04:24They honestly probably should have made a movie to like tie it all together
00:04:28Sure, and like I said in the TV episodes, I feel the same way about Voyager. I that Voyager just
00:04:35Stops, and I there are so many unanswered questions. I would love a film
00:04:40I'd love an entire other season, but I'd love a film saying
00:04:44Watching the crew have to answer for what they did now that they're back
00:04:48Yeah, and I feel the same way about Enterprise
00:04:50I would have loved a fifth season, but I would I would take a movie too just to bring them all back for sure
00:04:55But that's just that's just you know, weird opinion question. I've always wondered let's get back to the official films now, so
00:05:01Next generation crew had a mild success with generations, you know now they're on the big screen
00:05:07so we had so they knew they had to do something bigger for their first standalone one and
00:05:14you know one race that was introduced in their series that became a big thing was the Borg and
00:05:21The Borg were so big that clearly they said how about them? They'll work on the big screen
00:05:28So must be a thing with first officers. We had Leonard Nimoy direct a film now
00:05:33We have Jonathan Frakes Riker himself and he comes on board to direct the first standalone next-gen film
00:05:40Star Trek first contact
00:05:43All right first contact I'd like to say
00:05:48Its secret title is Star Trek their attempt at a horror-esque scary movie. Maybe question mark
00:05:56That's a long title
00:05:58Anyway, if you are a fan of next-generation, you know about the whole storyline between Captain Picard and his run-in with the Borg
00:06:05being turned into the cutest
00:06:08Jonathan Frakes took that plotline and ran with it saying how about we go with that and have card have some relapses
00:06:16memories, you know, it's always gonna be there and
00:06:19The Borg are on a now
00:06:21Straight line beeline to earth. They want to attack earth and the way they're gonna do it
00:06:26They're gonna travel back in time here and they're going to assimilate from the past
00:06:34And they're gonna start it off with when the humans made first contact with the aliens
00:06:41Thanks to that guy. It's the farmer from babe. Yes, James Cromwell
00:06:46Zefram Cochran after he made his first warp
00:06:51Curt Carden crew sorry I have to stop the Borg and their leader
00:06:57So Christy we will start with you
00:07:01Start the trek first contact my opinion the best of the Star Trek next-gen films a lot of people's
00:07:09It's so good. It's really fun. It's a good movie. There's good comedy. There's suspense
00:07:16All these characters are on the big screen
00:07:19Not for the first time but you know by themselves now
00:07:23Not everybody likes the new Zefram Cochran look because in the original series
00:07:27He was a little differently written, but still what are your thoughts here on Star Trek first contact? Oh, it's a it's definitely
00:07:42Brendan Brendan, yeah, I still have yet to yeah, it's his favorite movie. I watched it. It was really good
00:07:49It's certainly I would probably say yes step up from generations and it's it's definitely it's got a lot going for it
00:07:56I mean me Picard using the Tommy gun on the board. Oh the holodeck scene. That's great. That's an epic
00:08:12I have something in satin
00:08:18Well, well with the cat dragged in but shake and dicks the usual lick martinis and skirts, excuse me
00:08:27Oh
00:08:29Hey, I'm gonna take that personal in a second no offense
00:08:57I
00:09:00Think you got him I
00:09:06Don't get it. I thought you said this was all just a bunch of holograms if it's holograms. I disengage the safety protocols
00:09:13Without them even a holographic bullet can kill
00:09:17What are you doing? I'm looking for the neuro processor. Every board has one
00:09:22it's like a
00:09:23memory chip
00:09:25It will contain a record of all the instructions. This board has been receiving from the collective. Oh
00:09:31John Luke, it's one of your uniforms
00:09:35Yes, this was Ensign Lynch
00:09:40Tough luck, huh?
00:09:44I've gotta get the bridge
00:09:48Always I mean I originally did not know that that was from Star Trek because of his tuxedo
00:09:53It's a holodeck and
00:09:55That's great. Just the whole plot line of the board trying they have to go back in time
00:10:00That's time travel ones are always great
00:10:02And also in this movie we get the first ever utterance of the words Star Trek, you know together
00:10:11Excluding when Q said Trek through the stars in the finale
00:10:14But this time is that from Cochran actually says the words Star Trek
00:10:19So what is it you want me to do simple
00:10:23Conduct your warp flight tomorrow morning just as you planned
00:10:27Why tomorrow morning?
00:10:32Because at 11 o'clock an alien ship will begin passing through this solar system
00:10:37Alien you mean
00:10:40extraterrestrials
00:10:41More bad guys good guys. They're on a survey mission. They have no interest in earth too primitive
00:10:49Oh
00:10:50doctor
00:10:52Tomorrow morning when they detect the warp signature from your ship and realize that humans have discovered how to travel faster than light
00:10:58They decide to alter their course. They make first contact with earth right here
00:11:03Here dad actually over there. It is one of the pivotal moments in human history
00:11:09Doctor you get to make first contact with an alien race and after you do
00:11:13Everything begins to change
00:11:15Your theories on warp drive allow fleets of starships to be built and mankind to start exploring the galaxy
00:11:21It unites humanity in a way that no one ever thought possible when they realize they're not alone in the universe
00:11:28Poverty disease war they'll all be gone within the next 50 years
00:11:32But unless you make that warp flight tomorrow morning before 1115, none of it will happen
00:11:39And you people you're all
00:11:41Astronauts on
00:11:44Some kind of Star Trek
00:11:45Yes, and we are lucky enough to have Cochran here with us James Cromwell, you know, he's given a little wave there
00:11:53It maybe doesn't look at hundred percent like him, but it was a gift. What can I say?
00:11:58You know, so I mean absolutely all those scenes. I mean, you know Picard he has he met this person from
00:12:07To 21st century, this is 2063 here and
00:12:13Lily and and he he and her kind of kind of try to defeat the Borg sort of they go through the Enterprise
00:12:21You want a way out?
00:12:22Here it is
00:12:26What is this
00:12:29You
00:12:33Australia you gain
00:12:35Solomon's
00:12:37Montana will be up soon, but you may want to hold your breath. It's a long way down
00:12:42Now listen to me I'm not your enemy and I can get you home first you must put that weapon down and trust me
00:12:50I
00:12:59Name that's my name. What's yours?
00:13:05Lily welcome aboard Lily
00:13:16Thank you
00:13:21Maximum setting if you fired this you would have vaporized me. It's my first ray gun
00:13:46There's no glass
00:13:49I
00:13:54Have never seen that kind of technology that's because it hasn't been invented yet. What?
00:14:02There's more I have to tell you come on
00:14:11How big is this ship there are 24 decks
00:14:14Almost 700 meters long. It took me six months to scrounge up enough titanium just to build a four-meter cockpit
00:14:28How much this thing cost
00:14:31The economics of the future is somewhat different
00:14:35You see money doesn't exist in the 24th century no money
00:14:42The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives
00:14:47We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity
00:14:57Actually, we're out like yourself and dr. Cochran
00:15:04All right
00:15:07Come on
00:15:12Is another way around I
00:15:16Know what I'm doing
00:15:23We'll also mention the new Enterprise II that we saw in the trailer there we have a model of it here very very nice
00:15:31Lots of yeah lots of good comedy scenes between the two of them because you know we have a
00:15:36Person from this century and someone from the 24th century, but Timothy I mean
00:15:41everything from
00:15:43You know James Cromwell to Alice Krieg is the Borg Queen
00:15:48the end
00:15:50The one who is many
00:16:06I am the Borg
00:16:11Greetings
00:16:13I'm curious. Do you control the Borg collective?
00:16:17You imply disparity where none exists. I am the collective perhaps. I should rephrase the question. I
00:16:25Wish to understand the organizational relationships. Are you their leader? I
00:16:32Bring order to chaos
00:16:36An interesting if cryptic response you are in chaos
00:16:45Blanking on hold there are all the other fun things
00:16:48But yeah, what are your thoughts here on Star Trek first contact you?
00:16:53You have a lot of really talented
00:16:57actors
00:16:59Being given an opportunity
00:17:02To act yes
00:17:03and I think because
00:17:05Jonathan by this point had directed several episodes of next-gen sure and he had learned to trust
00:17:12The co-stars he'd learned to trust the actors and I think one thing he learned very importantly is
00:17:20Don't over direct. Yeah, you know he I I'm sure at some point
00:17:24He said to himself everyone involved in this production knows their craft
00:17:29Show them where their marks are and get out of their way. Yeah, and that's kind of the feel that that you get from this
00:17:37the the point about the different look for
00:17:41Zefram Cochran, they actually covered that in in the original series episode
00:17:48They it's kind of buried in there. But the companion not only saved his life, but rejuvenated him
00:17:55Mm-hmm. So this is Cochran before he gives up on humanity and earth and goes off to find someplace else
00:18:02You know basically pull a plan of the apes type deal because I know my mom
00:18:06Thought the original Zefram Cochran very handsome. Mm-hmm and for the time he was
00:18:13Speaking of classic references Star Trek has always pulled from classics and made a lot of references to Moby Dick. Yep
00:18:20This is blatantly their Moby Dick episode
00:18:24This is Picard working through his
00:18:28Obsession for what was done to him
00:18:31If you want to get you know a little bit edgy about it
00:18:36This is his
00:18:38Opportunity as a rape survivor confronting his attacker. Sure. That's basically what what this is
00:18:45Absolutely. That's a
00:18:47Yeah. Oh, come on captain. You're not the first man to get a thrill from murdering someone. I see it all the time
00:18:54Get out off what you'll kill me like you killed Ensign Lynch. There was no way to save him
00:19:00You didn't even try. Where was your involved sensibility then? I don't have time for this. Oh, hey, I'm sorry
00:19:07I didn't mean to interrupt your little quest
00:19:10Captain Ahab has to go hunt his whale
00:19:15What you do have books in the 24th century
00:19:19This is not about revenge liar, this is about saving the future of humanity
00:19:24John will blow up the damn ship. No
00:19:41I will not sacrifice the Enterprise
00:19:45We've made too many compromises already too many retreats
00:19:50They invade our space and we fall back
00:19:54Assimilate entire worlds and we fall back
00:19:58Not again, the line must be drawn here
00:20:01this far no father I
00:20:06Will make them pay for what they've done
00:20:13And he piled on the whales right home a sum of all the rage and hate
00:20:19By his own race
00:20:22If his chest had been a cannon he would have shot his heart upon it what
00:20:32What we did
00:20:35Actually, I never read it
00:20:42They have spent years
00:20:45Hunting the white whale that crippled
00:20:48A quest for vengeance
00:20:51But in the end it destroyed him and his ship
00:20:59I guess he didn't know when to quit
00:21:03Yeah, he never actually meets Cochran
00:21:07They never are in a scene together and even even at the end when the crews
00:21:14Leaving he only talks to Lily. He doesn't talk to Cochran
00:21:19Which I want to say in in the
00:21:22Where it when Cochran makes the flight when they convince him to make the warp flight that scene, you know
00:21:28Whenever I play Magic Carpet, right? Yeah ever the same way because I it's like
00:21:33Can you turn that down? Yep
00:21:35Hey
00:21:3820 oh god, 19. No, I remember 18
00:21:42What 16 can't lift off without it Jordy. We've got to abort. No, no, wait, I found it 12
00:21:4911 10
00:21:519 8
00:21:53Let's rock and roll six
00:22:05Oh
00:22:31Hey, we've got a red light on the second intake valve
00:22:35I
00:22:40Ignore it. We'll be fine
00:22:43Prepare for stage shutdown and separation on my mark
00:22:47three
00:22:49two one
00:23:06Oh
00:23:08Okay, let's bring the warp car online
00:23:16Oh
00:23:17Wow, and you mentioned Jonathan Frakes there. We have some great scenes with him and Deanna Deanna Troy Murray Sirtis
00:23:25In that scene in the bar Deanna Deanna
00:23:35Oh
00:23:37Oh
00:24:03Who is this jerk
00:24:08Oh Cola make it turn off my music will Ryker is that from Cochran?
00:24:18Good friend of yours. Yes husband. No good
00:24:27Now this Deanna Deanna
00:24:32This
00:24:34Is the good stuff dr. Cochran
00:24:39To the Phoenix
00:24:41May she rest in peace
00:24:52Okay, that wasn't so good
00:24:57Well, I
00:24:59Think we have to tell him the truth if we tell the truth the time timeline
00:25:03This is no time to argue about time. We don't have the time
00:25:13What was I saying you're drunk I am not you are look
00:25:19He wouldn't even talk to me unless I had a drink with him
00:25:22And then it took three shots of something called tequila just to find out he was the one we're looking for
00:25:29And I've spent the last 20 minutes trying to keep his hands off me
00:25:33So don't go criticizing my counseling technique
00:25:41It's a primitive culture
00:25:45I'm just trying to blend in your blended. All right. I already told him our cover story
00:25:51He didn't believe me. We are running out of time. Now if we tell him the truth, do you think he'll be able to handle it?
00:26:00If you're looking for my professional opinion as ships counselor
00:26:06He's not I'll be sure to note that in my log
00:26:09And
00:26:27She's totally drunk and it's nice to see her with I think her natural hair now, it's not it's not the big wig
00:26:34But it really is like a horror movie sometimes especially when they're going through that one hallway Picard and Lily
00:26:42You know, I I have all almost all my friends are horror fans. I think Christy you're a horror fan
00:26:47How do you does that does that feel like a horror movie sometimes quickly? Uh
00:26:52Doesn't feel too much like a horror movie. Maybe a little bit a little bit not not not too much
00:26:57I never saw it much as a horror movie. Yeah, neither did I really but I just get the elements perhaps
00:27:02Yeah, some of the elements are there perhaps suspense. I will say again warning spoiler coming up
00:27:10The bit right towards the end
00:27:13Everything's lost Picard is captured
00:27:16Data's, you know, apparently turned to the dark side and data in his humanity the skin
00:27:22yeah, and you know and you know, he's taken down the the defenses and and
00:27:28He is told by the Borg Queen and he obeys to fire on
00:27:33Cochran ship and the first time I saw it's like
00:27:36What's going on?
00:27:38and and he actually fires and I'm like
00:27:41You're kidding. He actually fought and it goes across their bow and the next thought in my head is data doesn't miss
00:27:53You have
00:27:56Reactivated my emotion chip
00:27:59Why don't be frightened?
00:28:03I'm not frightened
00:28:12Do you know what this is data
00:28:14But appear you were attempting to graft organic skin onto my endoskeletal structure
00:28:19What a cold description
00:28:23For such a beautiful gift
00:28:25I
00:28:43Watch your futures end
00:28:56I
00:29:06Resistance is futile
00:29:16And then they did data
00:29:19Resistance is futile. Yes
00:29:22yeah a
00:29:23callback the
00:29:25Get the the flesh-eating gas. Yes that that
00:29:29Spills out of the warp core and kills all the board because they can't live with without their human parts
00:29:36That's the same gas that Peter Preston was exposed to in in Star Trek 2
00:29:40Oh, and that's why McCoy couldn't save him his external injuries were nothing
00:29:46But his lungs had been destroyed, right? Okay
00:29:55Oh
00:30:25Ah
00:30:42That is a good callback I like yeah, yeah
00:30:44Yeah, something I and something I'd like about this movie is Zephrym Cochran's character is because here's the thing
00:30:52Everybody that's part of Picard's world. They all see Cochran as this massive hero
00:30:58They see him as such a hero and then they go back in time and they think he's like a complete jerk
00:31:04We you know some of the scenes that highlight that the best are when Geordi's talking about the statue. Yes
00:31:13And then
00:31:14Broccoli bar. Yeah, we get to see him again. I want to shake your hand. Yeah, I wish I had a picture of this
00:31:22What
00:31:24Would you see in the future this whole area becomes an historical monument?
00:31:30You're standing almost on the exact spot where your statues gonna be
00:31:35Statue. Oh, yeah
00:31:37It's marble about 20 meters tall and you're looking up at the sky and your hands sort of
00:31:45reaching toward the future
00:31:47commander
00:31:48This is what we're thinking of using to replace the damaged war plasma conflict
00:32:00Yeah, yeah, that's good, but you need to reinforce this copper tubing with a nano pump
00:32:06Dr. Cochran, I know this sounds silly, but can I shake your hand?
00:32:14Thank you doctor I can't tell you what an honor it is to work with you on this project
00:32:18Imagine that I'd be meeting the man who invented warp try it
00:32:22I'm sorry, right
00:32:23Thanks. So those those types of scenes are really really good. And yeah, no, it's just there
00:32:30I feel like I could do a good
00:32:33double feature between this and Star Trek 4 because this is this is Star Trek comedy at its best on the big screen and
00:32:42It really is just a special type of movie the the only
00:32:46Thing that I still feel is a
00:32:48detraction and
00:32:50I'm sorry everyone, please fill in
00:32:53the name of our new bridge character
00:32:55Hawk Hawk. Thank you again Matt Damon. It looks like a lot like Matt Damon. Yeah, he
00:33:04Doesn't need to be there that there there are two things especially long-running Star Trek fans major motion picture
00:33:13Character we've never seen before too. He's wearing a red shirt. Oh, yeah, he's not getting out of this film alive
00:33:20Yeah, and although that scene when they're on the deflector dish is great. Yeah, I mean, yeah
00:33:25No, I see for this to work all three mag locks will have to be released
00:33:42I
00:34:13I
00:34:36Better constrictors are disengaged
00:34:38They've adapted
00:34:51Hawk
00:35:08Oh
00:35:38Oh
00:36:01Assimilate this
00:36:04Yeah
00:36:06Yeah, um if they had had the guts they wouldn't have and everyone would have
00:36:12Hung them in effigy if they'd done it
00:36:15But if again if that had been Riker that had been turned out on the dish
00:36:20That would have been something. Yeah, but yeah, no, I I say that Star Trek first contact is a great movie
00:36:28Yes at generations. We started we stopped putting numbers on these movies, I guess
00:36:33So now we're just calling them the titles, but yeah, but it is an even numbered film. It is an even number filled
00:36:38Yes, so check out Star Trek first contact. I've got a great shot of the Enterprise that you going across the Borg cube there
00:36:44And we even get a defiant reference. So deep space nine there
00:36:47Oh
00:37:02Report main powers offline. We've lost shields. Our weapons are gone
00:37:10Perhaps today is a good day to die
00:37:13But therefore running speed sir, there's another starship coming in it's the Enterprise
00:37:31So that's fun fun stuff all around for first contact
00:37:36They're really from another world and they're going to want to meet the man that flew that warp ship
00:38:12I
00:38:33Live long and prosper
00:38:42You
00:38:57Thanks
00:39:00Check it out
00:39:02Again, though like Star Trek for we have a hype of a film. We have a great film. Everybody loves it the next one that follows
00:39:12But
00:39:15How bad it could it be Frakes is returning the director's chair how bad could it possibly be well, let's not dwell on it too long
00:39:22Let's just get over with it Star Trek insurrection
00:39:26Well, you hear that groan that's a good groan
00:39:29So Star Trek insurrection. What can I say about it? That's nice. Uh,
00:39:36a
00:39:37British char that scene is fun
00:39:40Okay, I'll get to that what we have here we have
00:39:44Remember how the original series had no budget and so they had to just say like these people are aliens
00:39:50Mmm, that's what we're kind of doing here. These human looking people are aliens and
00:39:56What happens is is that?
00:39:58This race called the Baku
00:40:01Which are they the human ones or the skin ones?
00:40:05The skin ones
00:40:07The skin the weird fleshy ones want to attack the the human looking ones
00:40:13And so the Enterprise crew goes ahead and basically moves them out
00:40:20That's it oh and and and date is kind of like going weird again
00:40:27Okay
00:40:28Here's what we have going on. We have F. Murray Abraham in this movie head of the fleshy people. He's a good actor
00:40:36Yes, very very good
00:40:39And
00:40:41the main complaint of this movie that is always always said is that insurrection would have made a
00:40:49Okay episode of Next Generation
00:40:52That's what this movie is. It is a long
00:40:56long
00:40:57episode
00:40:59F. Murray Abraham is good. We have a nice relationship going on between
00:41:03Deanna and Will Riker here lock and great line by data lock and load
00:41:10There are some good bits
00:41:15Timothy
00:41:16Can we save insurrection? What are your quick thoughts on insurrection? Well, unfortunately, even though I knew I was going to be here
00:41:24I didn't have time to review the later
00:41:28Next-gen film so I'm working off old memory. Okay
00:41:33It's insurrection you can you can skip over yeah
00:41:37but there there are
00:41:39Some plot points in here as I recall. I could be wrong, but I think there's a prime directive
00:41:45There's a friend right in here. There's something about the planet that's
00:41:50Making everyone not actually get younger, but feel younger
00:41:54rejuvenated and a bit frisky
00:41:57Yes
00:41:59No, sir debrief them again. Have you been in a fight? Mr. Wolfe? No, sir. It is the gorge gorge
00:42:14Oh, well, it's it's hardly noticeable
00:42:26Smooth as an androids bottom a data. I beg your pardon, sir. I don't know down. It wants to know why we haven't left yet
00:42:32We're not going anywhere
00:42:35deck five
00:42:41Klingons never do anything small do you?
00:42:45Dr. Crusher has to speak to you when you returned
00:42:49Got to crush her
00:42:51Dr. Crusher has to speak to you when you returned
00:42:56Got to crush up captain the sonar hostages declined to be examined
00:43:00I had them confined to quarters and our people. They're fine
00:43:04In fact, they're better than fine increased metabolism improved muscle tone high energy. We should all be so lucky
00:43:11Very well, dr. Picard out
00:43:14Walks don't release the sonar officers to life. Talk to Ada Rua for my sir
00:43:18Yes, sir
00:43:28Yes, so I and I think that yeah that it is a prolonged episode and
00:43:35It's basic. I think at its core. It's a it's a prime directive
00:43:41conflict type episode it
00:43:44It does have its points
00:43:46But it's
00:43:48Just kind of there. It's not I
00:43:52Personally and I think I'm going to be pushed back on this. I don't think it's
00:43:57Disappointing enough to be called a bad film. I don't think it's technically bad. You know, you're more the
00:44:04film the
00:44:07Technical film type thing. I don't think it's technically a bad film. It's just not great. It's not great. Yeah, it's
00:44:17So, yeah, no, I I think it's it's it's weird but Christy I mean you got to be looking up some information there, yeah
00:44:25But you know, I I know you and I go way back. I
00:44:29know that
00:44:32You have some
00:44:34opinions of this movie
00:44:36mm-hmm, so
00:44:38Remember just real quick. Is this the first that we see Geordie's new eyes? No, that was first contact. Yes
00:44:43That's a good point though. Go ahead. He wears contacts now, which is I'm sure he was much happier with that
00:44:49Yeah, so remember we still have a couple more movies to go here. So
00:44:54quickly
00:44:56So this film has the distinction of being the last film I watched before getting a girlfriend for the first time
00:45:03It's a very weird distinction
00:45:06Okay, that's where the positives
00:45:10But
00:45:12That wasn't even a positive. It's just a distinction does not positive or negative
00:45:15But anyway, so that movie this movie was not good. I did not like it. Um
00:45:22F Murray Abraham while he's a great actor that
00:45:26Scream yes scream. I remember my mom was in the other room and she was like, what are you watching?
00:45:34Authorization Delta to one override all interlink commands to injector assembly one
00:45:40Injector assembly one has been deactivated
00:45:50Watching
00:45:52laughing, I mean
00:45:53That I mean just the whole plot didn't make any sense and a thing I was looking I wasn't looking anything up
00:45:59I was actually texting Brennan because I because I remember Brendan telling me the biggest problem with the movie is that and maybe you can
00:46:05Help me with this
00:46:06There is an episode in the original
00:46:09There is an episode in Next Generation
00:46:12where
00:46:14Basically, it's a very similar plot to this movie
00:46:18But Picard does the complete opposite of what he does in the in insurrection
00:46:24I possibly I don't know so that I don't know but just he just texted me back. He doesn't remember
00:46:30So yeah, well, but you know, next gen only has 200 plus episodes. So it may take a couple
00:46:36Yeah
00:46:37but yeah, there is a there is apparently there's another episode where
00:46:42Like Picard does the complete opposite of what he does in this in insurrection
00:46:47Like he's gonna go kill a planet or something
00:46:49Also, I loved reading about like how a bunch of the Star Trek films had very difficult productions
00:46:56this movie had a difficult production and
00:47:00There was one part of it, which I felt was unforgivable and it was how
00:47:04The main bad guy dies he gets blown up
00:47:07Which is just so lazy the way they do it because the original idea in the script was that he was going to get
00:47:15the
00:47:16De-aging yeah, whatever it was called
00:47:19He was gonna get it and then it was gonna de-age him out of existence
00:47:23But they decided that that effect was gonna be too expensive. So they just had him get blown up
00:47:34They need a lift in a minute or so report it's we're off a ship on screen
00:47:44Sensors are reading over hundred Baku on board and one Klingon
00:47:49Target their ventral engines and life support
00:47:52set a collision course
00:47:58Shields at 60% hold your course
00:48:03He wouldn't yes
00:48:17And my captain right around the corner, sorry times up
00:48:33Oh
00:48:58We're off our ship is hailing us on screen
00:49:02Huh
00:49:03Imagine how cool that would have been he gets it and then he gets de-aged out of existence
00:49:07That would have been cool. It could have salvaged the film a little bit. But no, I just I think that I
00:49:14Every time I put this on I'd say like alright, this is the chance this here we go
00:49:17this and and I come out of it saying like
00:49:20Yep
00:49:23Yep, okay
00:49:24But no, I mean like I said the interactions between Riker and Troy
00:49:29Although her comment saying I never kissed you with a beard
00:49:33That's not
00:49:39Hi you got a minute sure I
00:49:45Need a little counseling. Oh, it's the first time for everything
00:49:50So do I lie down or what?
00:49:53Well, whatever makes you comfortable that this isn't one of the usual
00:49:58Therapeutic pastures, but it is comfortable. Why don't you try sitting up?
00:50:03Why don't you try lying down?
00:50:06Well, you're in quite a mood today
00:50:09Do you really need counseling or did you come down here to play? I think I'm having a midlife crisis. I believe you
00:50:15I'm not sleeping. Well, dr. Crusher has something that can take care of that what I need. I can't get from dr. Crusher
00:50:23Counselor do you think it's possible for two people to go back in time?
00:50:27Fix a mistake. They've made on this ship
00:50:30Anything's possible
00:50:36Yuck I never kissed you with a beard before I kiss you and you say yuck
00:50:45You did so and
00:50:48I guess it's nice to see Picard having the romance kind of a little bit because we don't see that too often
00:50:58It's been 300 years since I've seen a bald man
00:51:06How is it that you never married and don't tell me it's just because you haven't got around to it yet
00:51:14What's the rush I should warn you I've always been attracted to older women
00:51:27You
00:51:44How are you doing this questions
00:51:58But mambo, that's all I'm gonna say is mambo when it comes to Picard
00:52:05Computer music. No, no, not that something Latin specify a mambo
00:52:22Look that up as you will
00:52:25Basically the bottom line here is that insurrection is there it
00:52:30It's it's an odd-numbered Star Trek movie that
00:52:33Fits the bill is not a good movie. I don't know about Picard, but now I have this image of sir
00:52:38Patrick Stewart doing a mambo. Oh, yes
00:52:42It happens doing the dance
00:52:45More like it. That's the only probably
00:52:49Is that it gave us a good gift
00:52:52I can just imagine, you know again, sir. Patrick Stewart. What is a mom?
00:53:00But yeah, no, so so so insurrection is
00:53:03Insurrection if you want to check it out go for it
00:53:06It's like you said I think last time with Star Trek 5 if you want to be a completionist and watch it go for it
00:53:12Just be ready for not maybe the best of films there or just skip it or just skip it
00:53:18Yeah, cuz like you you said about one of the original series films you'll lose nothing yeah, if you skip it you lose nothing
00:53:27Mr. Woff, you know Gilbert and Sullivan
00:53:29No, sir. I have not had a chance to meet all the new crew members since I have been back
00:53:36That composes wolf from the 19th century
00:53:40Data was rehearsing a production of HMS Pinafore just before he left a
00:53:46British tar is a soaring soul as free as a mountain bird
00:53:52His energetic fist should be ready to resist a dictatorial word
00:53:58Sing wolf sing his nose should pant and his lips should curl his cheeks should flame and his brow should fur
00:54:06His cheeks should flame and his brow should furl his bosom should he and his heart should glow
00:54:13And his fist be ever ready for a knockdown blow
00:54:17his
00:54:19No should pat and his lips should curl his cheeks
00:54:24And his heart should glow and his fist be ever ready for a knockdown blow
00:54:29The doggy claps
00:54:31His eyes should flash with an inborn fire his brow with scorn be wrong
00:54:38He never should bow down to a domineering frown or the tang of a tire
00:54:44His heart should stump and his throat should growl his hair should curl and his face should scowl his eyes should flash
00:54:53And his breast brood
00:54:58His foot should stamp and his throat should frowl his hair should curl and his face should scowl
00:55:07So this was in 1999 we are now crossing over into the 21st century
00:55:16Enterprise has hit TV screens and people are questioning it
00:55:21In all its decon goodness and a stupid theme
00:55:25Well, I wouldn't I wouldn't call it stupid but it's very different from everything else we talked about the theme last time
00:55:32we love the theme but
00:55:35Enterprises go is on television screens and
00:55:40People are questioning. Well, what's the Star Trek movies looking like well
00:55:462002 rolls along and
00:55:49Another Star Trek movies coming out. Okay, great
00:55:53However Frakes is not directing this one and
00:55:57Brent Spiner is kind of doing some storylines, which is good
00:56:00But the delivery and payoff is to say the least controversial amongst fans
00:56:07this was
00:56:09Star Trek nemesis
00:56:12Okay
00:56:13Timothy you're always saying you're the apologist when it comes to things
00:56:18May I take that role off of you for now? Okay, and I am going to be the apologist for Star Trek nemesis
00:56:27Here's what we got going on
00:56:29If the board were the baddies for a while
00:56:33Something clicked in someone's brain saying well, let's make the Romulans the main baddie for everything everything
00:56:40This was kind of the start of that
00:56:43We have the Romulans, but there's also another planet next door called the Remus and
00:56:50They the Romulans are being ordered around by a new Praetor this Praetor playing played by get this Tom Hardy
00:56:58yes, Tom Hardy and
00:57:01he was a he's supposed to be a clone of
00:57:06Picard
00:57:08What looks nothing like him but okay we go along with the fact that we also have another data brother here in the form of
00:57:15before
00:57:17And
00:57:19Tom Hardy's character of Shinzon is working with the Remans the main one being played by Vincent himself
00:57:27Perlman
00:57:28Vincent Hellboy, whatever
00:57:30Okay, this movie has a lot of issues. Many people don't like it. They don't like Tom Hardy
00:57:36They think the plot is stupid. They think everything weird is going on
00:57:40They think it's a little too much action filled for Star Trek even
00:57:44Too much to early 2000s to say the least and Star Trek fatigue was also setting in at this time
00:57:53That'll be said I
00:57:56Think it's a fun movie. It's it has a lot going for it. You know, it's a there is some good elements to it
00:58:03I think Tom Hardy gives it his all
00:58:07This was supposed to be the final bow for next-generation crew, which yeah, it's it's a bow
00:58:14I'll say that it's a bow and
00:58:16for me
00:58:18One of the and I think Brent Spiner has a good time with playing before and data
00:58:30It's you
00:58:33Resemblances striking
00:58:48Fascinating fascinating
00:59:03You
00:59:15Brother I
00:59:18Cannot move. No, I have only activated your cognitive and communication subroutines
00:59:25Why?
00:59:26Because you are dangerous
00:59:29You have been programmed to gather information that can be used against this ship I
00:59:37Do not understand
00:59:46Do you know anything about Shinzon's plans against the Federation
00:59:54Do you have any knowledge of the tactical abilities of his ship
00:59:59Oh
01:00:01Can I move now
01:00:08What are you doing I must deactivate you for how long
01:00:18Indefinitely how long is that?
01:00:28A
01:00:31Long time brother
01:00:33But for me one of the highlights of this movie and highlights of Star Trek
01:00:38the wedding
01:00:39We have the wedding of Troy and Riker. It is a lovely scene and from the day
01:00:46I saw this movie I I say to people
01:00:49Yeah, you can
01:00:51Say all you want in your Irving Berlin
01:00:53biographies or whatever
01:00:55Assignments blue skies is a Star Trek song. It is none of this compares with my solemn duty today
01:01:05As best man
01:01:09And in best maritime tradition I
01:01:12wish you both
01:01:14clear horizons
01:01:15my good friends
01:01:18Make it so
01:01:21The bride and groom
01:01:25In my study of Terran and Betazoid conjugal rights, I have discovered it is traditional to present the
01:01:33happy couple with a gift
01:01:36Given commander Riker's affection for archaic musical forms. I have elected to present the following as my gift in honor of their
01:01:45conjugation
01:01:48Never saw the Sun shining so bright never saw things going so, right
01:01:56noticing the days
01:01:57hurrying by
01:01:59When you're in love my how they fly
01:02:14It is a Star Trek song for crying out loud anyway
01:02:19Christy
01:02:21Star Trek nemesis it was not what fans I think we're hoping for as a next-generation bow
01:02:28But what are your quick thoughts on nemesis everything that we saw in the trailer? I gotta be real with you like
01:02:34This is a very
01:02:36Very forgettable Star Trek movie. I will say this right out. Honestly, I remember looking back. I
01:02:43Feel like nothing
01:02:45I mean not nothing but I feel like nothing really of note really even happened in this movie
01:02:51I feel like it kind of got glot and don't get me wrong. The ending is massive
01:02:56There's a massive thing that happens a data dies. Oh, yes dies. Yes
01:03:01Destiny's complete
01:03:14One minute to fire
01:03:16A long intermix level
01:03:3930 seconds the firing sequence
01:03:46And
01:04:08He or does he yeah or does he but overall just
01:04:13There wasn't a whole lot going on in the movie and
01:04:16What's his name? Michael Dorn even has said that he hated the movie because warf was given nothing to do
01:04:22I mean warf is kind of just furniture in this movie. He kind of just doesn't really do anything
01:04:27Yeah, but if you watch Next Generation warp is always dismissed. He's always fire phasers captain. Oh, mr. Wolf
01:04:33And he's also he's also always getting his ass kicked. He's always getting a bit. Yeah, but also well
01:04:38Yes, but war part of warf's role is to show how tough the alien is. That's beating up war. Yes
01:04:45He's a jobber for Star Trek
01:04:48anyway, but
01:04:50But yeah, anyway about nemesis. Um
01:04:52Love Tom Hardy. I mean, I was very happy really cool to see him in an early role
01:04:56He actually he actually had a breakdown after this role because it because the movie flopped so hard
01:05:02Well, that's what he thought he was gonna be another big star. Well when I say to people, you know, you know
01:05:07Yeah, you watch your Dark Knight Bane and you watch your your your venom and whatever else he's done
01:05:12I I then show to people
01:05:15Whatever else whatever else he's done. Oh, he's fine
01:05:19But I show him I show people pictures and clips of nemesis and they're like, oh, that's Tom Hardy
01:05:30Enterprise
01:05:32We are the reman warbird scimitar
01:05:37Plato shenzon, I'm pleased to
01:05:42I am his Viceroy
01:05:45Right now you're thinking this all sounds too good to be true
01:05:49But you're also thinking that the chance for peace is too promising to ignore
01:05:57Am I right
01:06:02Yes, then perhaps it's time to add some illumination to our discussion computer raise the lighting four levels
01:06:25And I was very young I was stricken with an odd disease I
01:06:30I developed a hypersensitivity to sound
01:06:35Even the slightest whisper caused me agony
01:06:37No one could do anything about it
01:06:40Finally, I was taken to a doctor who had some experience of Terran illnesses and he diagnosed me with a shell after syndrome
01:06:49Do you know of it captain
01:06:57Yes
01:06:59Then you know, it's a very rare syndrome
01:07:03Genetic
01:07:06Apparently all the male members of a family have it
01:07:10Eventually I was treated and now I can hear as well as you can captain I
01:07:16Can see as well as you can I can feel everything you feel
01:07:25In fact, I
01:07:27Feel exactly
01:07:30What you've got also another problem is
01:07:33The director Stuart Baird. He yes the wrong
01:07:37He was the wrong guy to direct many people Patrick Stewart even said Patrick Stewart
01:07:43And I think Jonathan Frakes both said that they liked him personally, but said he wasn't a good fit
01:07:47He knew nothing about Star Trek. He called LaVar Burton Laverne
01:07:53Constantly he kept calling him Laverne, which is just weird and
01:07:58Yeah, overall just Baird was the wrong guy to be directing this movie fair enough fair enough. I mean
01:08:05And you know, we got some pretty
01:08:07Racy bits in in starch in a Star Trek film. I mean
01:08:11Talk about mind rape
01:08:14There's a scene where Ron Perlman is kind of projecting shins on
01:08:19On to Riker sort of when when right when record Troy is supposed to be in bed together, you know
01:08:27Shinzon appears and it's like this really really weird
01:08:31Deep creepy scene and there's a there's a loving
01:08:35Betazoid
01:08:36Term for a loved one. It's it's anxiety but Shinzon comes in
01:08:42And it's like yeah
01:08:44captain I
01:08:46Think I may have a way to find them
01:08:51Prepare for a lateral run all starboard disruptors
01:09:03What is it what is it
01:09:16I
01:09:41He's resisting
01:09:46Oh
01:09:48Oh
01:10:15Okay
01:10:16Timothy though, what are your thoughts here on on Star Trek nemesis?
01:10:21Well first, thank you for taking on the the apologist. You're welcome
01:10:26Actually between the two of you. I have nothing to add. Oh, okay. I think I saw this film
01:10:32Once nope twice twice, I think
01:10:38I'm sorry, was there a movie we were talking
01:10:41But
01:10:44No or nemesis like you said it has its points you mentioned earlier, you know
01:10:51Last sequence one of the earlier films was the one that killed the franchise. No, this is the one that killed this killed the French
01:10:56Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I see it. It broke the sequence. It's an even-numbered film
01:11:02It did break the sequence. Yeah, not that great. There were none after it in the original
01:11:08Timeline timeline. So this is it. It does like you say have some good points. It wraps up a number of
01:11:17Character plot lines with data, but again as a synthetic life-form and we have before and
01:11:24back in
01:11:26Next-gen episode the offspring. Yep. I know. Yep. He mentioned. Well, yeah, you know
01:11:33She died, but he he said no, I've taken all of her programming back into myself
01:11:39Thereby implying she still exists within him. Sure
01:11:42Well, here's before and shortly before we see the two of them hooking up. So we have a whole yeah
01:11:50How gone is he?
01:11:52The wedding was really nice
01:11:55and
01:11:57Things are set up so that had paramount wanted to
01:12:01They could have followed the the characters separately
01:12:06Riker and and Troy are going on to their own ship. We could have had a whole show just about their ship
01:12:13There's a point about that. Yeah
01:12:15You know Picard is still on the Enterprise, but he now basically has a whole new crew. We could have had a whole new
01:12:24Episode about that. So yeah, they're
01:12:28In a way the ending whatever else is wrong with the film in a way
01:12:32The ending is true to life in as much as all the loose ends aren't really tied up. It's obviously the end of an era
01:12:40But life goes on and you know, this is one of those movies that were the deleted scenes come into play a lot because
01:12:48And special features because there's a special feature between
01:12:51Frakes and Sirtis where they said like we could have a sitcom the Rikers in space and that never happened, but good
01:12:59but and there's a deleted scene where Picard meets his new first officer and
01:13:04He sits in the chair. Lo and behold after X amount of years that we've had Star Trek on we have seatbelts finally
01:13:11finally
01:13:13We have this idea for a sitcom half-hour the Rikers in space. They're wacky uncle data. They're a little dog wolf
01:13:20Two of us on like the Titan probably being funny. Yeah, and we're dead serious. Yeah, we're married
01:13:26We're married and we're carrying on the prime director. Yeah, basically
01:13:30He's just Patrick's too old and he's Shakespearean Shakespearean. Yeah, do it a show anymore. So it's our show now
01:13:36Yeah, exactly. So you figured data comes data can come wharf wharf
01:13:42Geordie Geordie, we could have them all really except all Baldy. Yeah, right, but there would they be recognized?
01:13:47No, they'd come in guest. No, we couldn't afford him as regular. Well, I haven't got any kids
01:13:50No, cuz she got married too late to have kids. No, but we could adopt like alien kids from really
01:13:55Yeah, don't you think we I don't want to have kids. I want dog. I want a dog you and your freaking dog
01:14:00Well, then we'd have to act with kids. Yeah, but we wouldn't have to work every day
01:14:03Then the kid would be kid stories. All right. I mean, we don't want a kid like Urkel
01:14:08No, you know what I'm saying, right?
01:14:09You want a kid like Michael J Fox in the old days from from family ties the show will end with you playing a kid
01:14:16And with you playing the trombone every week do
01:14:22Well, cuz if you'll be working on your hair you'll be
01:14:26It's great all about the hair. I
01:14:29Like it. Yeah, have you seen galaxy quest that that that's us? Yeah, that's galaxy quest there
01:14:35We are galaxy quest and the going out and saving the planet. That's the Rikers in space. That is the right?
01:14:41Yeah, exactly. That's the that's that's come to bring the thread back
01:14:44So, you know what? There it is. It's Star Trek meets galaxy quest. That's why we pitch it to the suit. Oh, that's a good idea
01:14:50We've got it planned
01:14:52It's a half hour though. Is that a half?
01:14:57Sir
01:14:58What's this?
01:14:59It's the mark 7 captain state-of-the-art ergonomics command interface older that you are comfortable with your old chair
01:15:10Well, that's uh, give it a try
01:15:15Oh
01:15:19Feels good try that button, sir
01:15:34About time
01:15:45Well
01:15:48But regardless, yes, it is the end of an era this kind of did kill the franchise
01:15:54and
01:15:55That was it. Yeah, there were no more movies, you know
01:15:58We had Enterprise up until 2005 and that was the final nail really because that was like end of an era for sure
01:16:04But it's time to do another quick ending to this episode of as the real turns
01:16:08But hey
01:16:08I hope you enjoyed
01:16:09Talk about the next generation films and we're gonna
01:16:12Continue with the films of Star Trek as we talk about the Kelvin timeline trilogy in the next episode. So hope to see you then
01:16:18Thanks so much. And that is a wrap
01:16:39You