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00:00:00Zagreb, Croatia
00:00:24Every time any part of the world comes to Zagreb,
00:00:27At least once a month, he says, Davor Pavuna first walked through the heart of the city.
00:00:32He lived the most beautiful years there,
00:00:34since he moved from Osijek as a primary school student,
00:00:37enrolled in the fifth grade, and in it he learned everything from mathematics and physics.
00:00:41As a logical consequence, experimental physics was imposed on PMF,
00:00:45where he almost walked to his diploma,
00:00:47and then, that same summer, along with his mini-Morris,
00:00:50he visited many world universities in search of the best place to do his doctorate.
00:00:56The choice fell on Cambridge, and everything that had happened since then
00:00:59in his scientific career could have been expected,
00:01:02say those who have known him since childhood.
00:01:04We know each other, so to speak, from the 14th-15th years of his life,
00:01:07from high school, when we met in a small group of students
00:01:10who chose to learn French as an additional language.
00:01:13We were learning English, by the way.
00:01:15Davor had already learned German, so it seems to me,
00:01:18even today, when I look inside, how he had been preparing from the beginning,
00:01:21if I may say so, for life in global terms.
00:01:24He mastered all three languages very quickly and speaks them perfectly.
00:01:27As a boy in high school, he had his own band in the faculty,
00:01:31he played the guitar, he went to the beaches,
00:01:33we were the first to organize a jet-parade in that way.
00:01:38This love for music continues even today.
00:01:40Ten years ago, Pavun founded his own band,
00:01:42he named it after the chorus of a song, Chaku,
00:01:45and the fans of Latin jazz are delighted with special benefits.
00:01:48And this is sometimes evident in the parties of his students
00:01:51or in the popular Latin clubs in Lausanne,
00:01:54where he has been living for more than 20 years.
00:01:57After many accomplishments around the world,
00:01:59Mamac was a well-known Swiss institute for technology,
00:02:02where Dr. Pavun is the leader of the group
00:02:04for the compatibility of functional materials
00:02:06and a professor of physics.
00:02:08I sometimes rest like this in that little log,
00:02:11and there, behind this round table,
00:02:13also in this other log, and so on,
00:02:16I work on physics with my students, my assistants,
00:02:20and then we give him various problems from physics,
00:02:24and I prepare the lessons.
00:02:26This is my little daily log.
00:02:28In the meantime, Dr. Pavun publishes scientific works
00:02:31in many world magazines.
00:02:33He became famous as a textbook on compatibility,
00:02:35he has written more than 20 manuals,
00:02:38and around the world they call him
00:02:40as a prominent scientist and teacher.
00:02:42A recent invitation from Washington
00:02:44to join Bamin's team for energy
00:02:46is another new challenge for him,
00:02:48and those real challenges for him
00:02:50have always been in personal innovations.
00:02:52Yes, this installation, which we call Laser Ablation,
00:02:55where we make thin films,
00:02:57and we built it with my assistants,
00:03:00a complete installation.
00:03:02There is a laser here,
00:03:04there is a new chamber,
00:03:06and here we make thin films,
00:03:08and we connected it here as a new technique,
00:03:12and it works very well for us.
00:03:14We made one device like that in America.
00:03:16Despite the boyish playfulness
00:03:18and incredible appreciation for everything around him,
00:03:21this 57-year-old will leave him a little indifferent.
00:03:24First, I think he is a very honest man,
00:03:27which is rare.
00:03:29And second, that he is sincere.
00:03:32Third, that he is sometimes naive.
00:03:35Maybe someone could characterize him
00:03:37as a little strange.
00:03:39Who is not strange today?
00:03:41With the fact that someone is strange,
00:03:43that is not normal.
00:03:45But in any case,
00:03:47I think he is a man
00:03:49from whom positive energy radiates.
00:03:52Sometimes this causes,
00:03:54I won't say a smirk,
00:03:56but maybe a surprise,
00:03:58and then those who don't know him
00:04:01can misjudge him.
00:04:04I am most impressed
00:04:06that he is very natural,
00:04:08unburdened,
00:04:10has no ego trip,
00:04:12very interesting.
00:04:14Maybe he is too naive in my opinion,
00:04:16which doesn't bother me.
00:04:18Maybe he is less critical than me,
00:04:21who is more critical to other people.
00:04:24I see bad sides in them,
00:04:26and I think he never sees
00:04:29bad sides in people,
00:04:31and that actually bothers me.
00:04:35And Davor in Pavun is like nothing bothers him.
00:04:37He has learned to find a special peace
00:04:39in his spirituality,
00:04:41and he believes that his youth
00:04:43was full of wandering and searching,
00:04:45from the detailed study of all world religions
00:04:47to the discovery of the complete truth,
00:04:49he says in Jesus.
00:04:51For years, every Friday,
00:04:53he separates time for prayer
00:04:55from his five colleagues
00:04:57at the Institute in Lausanne.
00:04:59At home, however,
00:05:01his father approaches him,
00:05:0320-year-old student Mark
00:05:05and 16-year-old daughter Ani,
00:05:07who is married to French painter Sylvie.
00:05:09His walking is more and more different,
00:05:11just like his view of the world
00:05:13that surrounds him.
00:05:15For many of us,
00:05:17he is a science fantastic.
00:05:19While you all see people and creatures
00:05:21around the city,
00:05:23I actually see a dance of atoms,
00:05:25a dance of energy.
00:05:27When I look at plants and flowers,
00:05:29I also see a dance of energy.
00:05:31So, a person has a different way
00:05:33of thinking, and he is a weirdo.
00:05:35Who normally thinks about
00:05:37the world around him.
00:05:43Good day, dear viewers.
00:05:45Our guest this week is a physicist.
00:05:47Good day, welcome.
00:05:49Good day, thank you.
00:05:51A weirdo? What does that mean?
00:05:53During the preparation of this show,
00:05:55I also contacted
00:05:57a Croatian scientist.
00:05:59He says, he is a personified,
00:06:01independent intellectual,
00:06:03an excellent physicist,
00:06:05but he is a weirdo.
00:06:07What is a weirdo?
00:06:09A weirdo is a person who thinks
00:06:11about everything that other people
00:06:13in everyday life don't see
00:06:15and don't think about.
00:06:17You can go to Zagreb,
00:06:19you will see that people think
00:06:21about the economic situation,
00:06:23how to spend a weekend, etc.
00:06:25Even when I am on the beach,
00:06:27I think about atomic mechanics.
00:06:29My ambition from the first day
00:06:31when I became aware of myself
00:06:33Does that mean that you can't
00:06:35give up?
00:06:37You can, but when you talk
00:06:39to people, especially to women,
00:06:41including my wife,
00:06:43she says, you are a weirdo.
00:06:45Normal people don't think about that.
00:06:47Until recently, my own children
00:06:49told me, dad,
00:06:51why don't you go
00:06:53to a car show in Geneva?
00:06:55Like these days?
00:06:57Yes, like these days.
00:06:59I say, I never go.
00:07:01In 1982,
00:07:03I dream about levitation
00:07:05and teleportation.
00:07:07That is a living truth.
00:07:09I live for a green planet.
00:07:11I dream about a Croatia
00:07:13that we will live together.
00:07:15I really have a dream.
00:07:17Is it hard for other people?
00:07:19When you talk about family?
00:07:21Not for all the brilliant people.
00:07:23It is a well-known fact.
00:07:25Whoever is brilliant,
00:07:27he has a very pleasant dream.
00:07:29It is hard for people
00:07:31who have complexes.
00:07:33It is hard for people
00:07:35who are hypnotized.
00:07:37It is hard for people
00:07:39who want to believe
00:07:41in something.
00:07:43I am totally independent.
00:07:45Can you believe in something?
00:07:47In arguments?
00:07:49Absolutely.
00:07:51I am a scientist.
00:07:53You will see today
00:07:55that we will
00:07:57break some people.
00:07:59But not because of me.
00:08:01I will give you a real situation.
00:08:03My best friends in science
00:08:05change their mind
00:08:07if the facts are different.
00:08:09I am not to blame.
00:08:11I don't know how it happened.
00:08:13Your people did it.
00:08:15I was not the best student in Zagreb.
00:08:17It is very important for this show.
00:08:19There were better colleagues at that time.
00:08:21Today, there are better physicists in Zagreb
00:08:23than me.
00:08:25I wanted to study in Cambridge.
00:08:27My mentor was Sidney Dugdale in Leeds.
00:08:29He was the president of Zagreb in London.
00:08:31Then I was drawn to Cambridge
00:08:33because John Evans was the president of my committee.
00:08:35Sir Neville Mott was interested in me
00:08:37and many others.
00:08:39It is important to show you
00:08:41how a boy,
00:08:43as my friends say,
00:08:45self-made man.
00:08:47You told me that at the beginning of the show.
00:08:49Do you want to add something?
00:08:51Yes, I want to add.
00:08:53In 1977, I was in Switzerland for the first time.
00:08:55In 1978,
00:08:57I went with a suitcase
00:08:59and a guitar to England.
00:09:01How old were you?
00:09:03I was 26 years old.
00:09:05At that time,
00:09:07I was a mental disorder
00:09:09and possibly agnostic.
00:09:11I was more agnostic
00:09:13because it was resistance to Bolshevism.
00:09:15Can you explain it to people who don't know what agnosticism is?
00:09:17It is a man who doesn't believe in God
00:09:19and has no idea what God is
00:09:21I didn't even read the Bible.
00:09:23I was on a mission,
00:09:25but not as a believer.
00:09:27They told me that I was a bloody Catholic.
00:09:29I lived in Tito's school.
00:09:31I was a very good mathematician.
00:09:33I thank everyone in the fifth grade.
00:09:35But not the best even then.
00:09:37The most important part of the story
00:09:39is that my professors from PMF
00:09:41recognized that I had certain talents
00:09:43and encouraged me to go to the world.
00:09:45I spoke languages.
00:09:47They told me that I was good enough.
00:09:49Today I know that I was exceptional.
00:09:51Tell you what was exceptional about me.
00:09:53I didn't have blockages.
00:09:55When my professor told me
00:09:57that I could do it,
00:09:59I did it in 6 days.
00:10:01I believed in myself.
00:10:03As I will say in the show,
00:10:05I always copied and listened better than myself.
00:10:07Science is not democracy.
00:10:09Why did you leave?
00:10:11I have a part of your biography.
00:10:13Of course.
00:10:15I found myself at a meeting
00:10:17in a hospitality school.
00:10:19I was not an assistant at that time.
00:10:21I was a teacher.
00:10:23I taught physics and mathematics.
00:10:25I was at a meeting.
00:10:27I saw that people spent 3 hours
00:10:29on one or two points for cleaning.
00:10:31Then they bought a new car
00:10:33or a computer.
00:10:35The only idea of the society
00:10:37was that Tito lived,
00:10:39the party lived.
00:10:41They asked me later
00:10:43if I was in the party.
00:10:45It was important.
00:10:47When I played the guitar
00:10:49in Ljubljana,
00:10:51it was Bjelo Dugme in 1974.
00:10:53We were the first band.
00:10:55Mladen Garačić played with me.
00:10:57When I saw Bjelo Dugme,
00:10:59I told everyone that
00:11:01Yugoslavia will fall apart.
00:11:03You will hear it several times today.
00:11:05As I know how to see the genesis of ideas,
00:11:07I will tell you today
00:11:09that we are at the moment
00:11:11when we live in the final phase
00:11:13of the fall of the British Empire.
00:11:15We live in a phase transition
00:11:17of the crisis,
00:11:19which started in London.
00:11:21I did not go to England by chance.
00:11:23When I left, in Croatia
00:11:25we could know very little,
00:11:27including Yugoslavia,
00:11:29in the languages of the country.
00:11:31When I came to Oxford,
00:11:33I saw only books in English.
00:11:35When I started watching BBC,
00:11:37I watched it non-stop
00:11:39to learn English.
00:11:41I wanted to decode the universe.
00:11:43Finally, I was happy.
00:11:45Everyone called me a madman.
00:11:47But I was never a member of the party.
00:11:49No one was interested in me.
00:11:51When we played football,
00:11:53the boys called me a communist.
00:11:55It hurt me a lot.
00:11:57It left me alone.
00:11:59A madman.
00:12:01He plays football,
00:12:03but he is not interested in politics at all.
00:12:05He does not care.
00:12:07That's why I saved myself in Bolshevism.
00:12:09That was my only hypnosis at that time.
00:12:11The Beatles.
00:12:13I loved the Beatles.
00:12:15I idolized them.
00:12:17My second hobby was mathematics.
00:12:19I saw the purity in it.
00:12:21Science is power.
00:12:23You said that you wanted to know the world
00:12:25with the help of mathematics.
00:12:27Is it possible?
00:12:29No.
00:12:31They take you very far.
00:12:33You clean your character.
00:12:35You can not cheat.
00:12:37Mathematics gave me the task
00:12:39to find a solution.
00:12:41The solution is or is not.
00:12:43It gave me strength.
00:12:45Whatever Bolshevism was around me,
00:12:47whatever environment was around me.
00:12:49The path from young agnostic
00:12:51to a Catholic believer.
00:12:53Was it short, long, hard, stressful?
00:12:55No.
00:12:57It was very simple,
00:12:59but the path is the truth.
00:13:01I first started in Hinduism.
00:13:03I was called Maharishi Mahesh Yogini.
00:13:05Then I started in Buddhism.
00:13:07I was with Sai Baba.
00:13:09I was in Benares.
00:13:11I was a Buddhist.
00:13:13I was in Zen.
00:13:15I was in Zen for three days.
00:13:17I reached Nirvana.
00:13:19Total spiritual peace.
00:13:21I was with Hare Krishna.
00:13:23I was with Munavaca.
00:13:25I learned Kabbalah.
00:13:27I learned the Egyptian book of the dead.
00:13:29Tibetan book of the dead.
00:13:31I mean, whatever you want.
00:13:33Then I came to Zagreb.
00:13:35I was told by academician Brozovic's daughter Lada.
00:13:37She said, you found all this tradition.
00:13:39You have it all in Catholicism.
00:13:41My grandfather was a Catholic.
00:13:43They told me about Jesus.
00:13:45But they never led me into that stream
00:13:47so that there would be no conflict with the party.
00:13:49Because my mother was called three times
00:13:51to meetings.
00:13:53Why did they crucify me in Osijek?
00:13:55She crucified me more out of inertia.
00:13:57Then I went to Linić's spiritual seminar
00:13:59where Dr. Tomislav Ivančić was.
00:14:01But after three days,
00:14:03when they prayed for me,
00:14:05I said, thank you Jesus.
00:14:07But it wasn't enough.
00:14:09Before you continue,
00:14:11tell me,
00:14:13you told me before the show
00:14:15that you had a trauma.
00:14:17What kind of trauma?
00:14:19Absolutely.
00:14:21In high school,
00:14:23I was quite brilliant as a guitarist
00:14:25and as a mathematician.
00:14:27But girls, as we would say,
00:14:29were not attracted to me.
00:14:31I was not attractive to girls.
00:14:33First, I didn't know how to communicate.
00:14:35I communicated in Cartesian, mathematically.
00:14:37I tried to communicate with girls
00:14:39as a mathematician.
00:14:41Give me an example.
00:14:43You were not romantic.
00:14:45I was romantic,
00:14:47but I didn't know how to communicate with women.
00:14:49You will see that in this show.
00:14:51A man can communicate on several levels.
00:14:53He always communicates on all levels.
00:14:55But at that time,
00:14:57I didn't have this mental part.
00:14:59You were a guitarist,
00:15:01and you communicated with women.
00:15:03Yes, absolutely.
00:15:05But I wasn't a good guitarist.
00:15:07You know, to wake up an artist,
00:15:09it means to open the resonance inside.
00:15:11It's the same thing we will talk about
00:15:13when we come to Jesus.
00:15:15A complete personality must be integrated,
00:15:17because we are all like an iceberg.
00:15:19What you see with your eyes,
00:15:21and we are all blind,
00:15:23because we see only 0.4-0.7 microns,
00:15:25I realized that only later.
00:15:27Trauma, women, and then?
00:15:29And after that,
00:15:31my current wife rejected me.
00:15:33I was totally agonized.
00:15:35That was the worst trauma.
00:15:37Of course, my father died
00:15:39of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis.
00:15:41I didn't go to Harvard because
00:15:43he died three years before me.
00:15:45I flew to Zagreb from Grenoble.
00:15:47It was terribly agonizing.
00:15:49I was madly in love with God.
00:15:51Love finally appeared,
00:15:53and then I went to a thesis
00:15:55in France,
00:15:57and I turned out to be a priest.
00:15:59I drove a car,
00:16:01I was in silence for two weeks,
00:16:03I drank only water, fasting,
00:16:05I lived in a cell, just like a priest,
00:16:07I went to mass, without speaking,
00:16:09and I served as a driver.
00:16:11And I said, dear God,
00:16:13either you will do something with me,
00:16:15or we go to the Himalayas to study yoga.
00:16:17I will not go on like this.
00:16:19And nothing happened in ten days.
00:16:21Isn't it the same thing?
00:16:23Studying yoga in the Himalayas.
00:16:25Yes, absolutely right.
00:16:27But I wanted to get to the answer.
00:16:29Because I was too intelligent.
00:16:31Now all the smart people said,
00:16:33from Gandhi to whoever you read,
00:16:35everyone says, dear God, it exists.
00:16:37And in Bolshevism, they told me,
00:16:39dear God, it doesn't exist.
00:16:41Lenin said that it is opium for the people.
00:16:43And they did an experiment
00:16:45with 20 million people,
00:16:47including me.
00:16:49And others on the planet,
00:16:51including the English,
00:16:53they said, dear God, it is alive.
00:16:55And I said, if you are alive,
00:16:57you appear to me.
00:16:59Because I am a physicist,
00:17:01you must be here.
00:17:03What is happening?
00:17:05Exactly that.
00:17:07After a month, ten days, nothing.
00:17:09Nine hours, ten, eleven,
00:17:11nothing happens at night.
00:17:13One in the morning, two, three,
00:17:15four in the morning I am alone,
00:17:17at five in the morning,
00:17:19absolutely and totally,
00:17:21I say, listen to me,
00:17:23what else do you want?
00:17:25At five in the morning,
00:17:27joy, peace, joy.
00:17:29As if he told me,
00:17:31but it shouldn't be written,
00:17:33these are not words.
00:17:35Don't worry about anything.
00:17:37Mr. Stanković, I wish you all the best.
00:17:39After that, the woman I work with,
00:17:41I don't even know how she found out where I am.
00:17:43I get a job in Switzerland,
00:17:45come to visit me in Grenoble,
00:17:47in a car driven by Rolls-Royce,
00:17:49with a driver,
00:17:51Hans Rausing,
00:17:53at that time a billionaire,
00:17:55the owner of all Tetrapaks,
00:17:5742 billion dollars.
00:17:59He opens private laboratories
00:18:01near Lausanne,
00:18:03private laboratories.
00:18:05James Bond movies cannot be compared
00:18:07to what I have experienced.
00:18:09And he asks me just to put aluminum foil
00:18:11in the Tetrapak you all buy for milk.
00:18:13I told him it's six.
00:18:15He earned 150 million dollars
00:18:17every year,
00:18:19because he used only aluminum
00:18:21for a billion dollars a year.
00:18:23Did you pay for it?
00:18:25I was hired by a lawyer,
00:18:27he paid me phenomenally for that time,
00:18:29as an annual salary,
00:18:31although he only consulted me once or twice a month.
00:18:33But I was naive.
00:18:35My friends are good,
00:18:37because I was naive.
00:18:39I didn't know globalization.
00:18:41And that's another story.
00:18:43That's a manipulation.
00:18:45Everywhere, everywhere,
00:18:47in every moment.
00:18:49Let's go from your biography.
00:18:51You come from Switzerland.
00:18:53Let's go back to this field of comparison.
00:18:55Croatia-Switzerland.
00:18:57Can it be compared in any way?
00:18:59No.
00:19:01In some way it is not fair
00:19:03on the level of the country,
00:19:05because Switzerland exists for seven centuries.
00:19:07And immediately in the first approximation,
00:19:09it is clear to you
00:19:11that the political and legal system
00:19:13is drastically mature in Switzerland.
00:19:15So you wouldn't criticize Croatia,
00:19:17it is a terrible step
00:19:19on the legal and political system.
00:19:21If you could repaint something
00:19:23from Switzerland to Croatia,
00:19:25what would it be?
00:19:27If I could repaint only one thing,
00:19:29then I would say
00:19:31that these are two countries of this moment
00:19:33that are still not polluted.
00:19:35And even more,
00:19:37the most fundamental thing,
00:19:39you know, in a crisis,
00:19:41we can talk about our wishes,
00:19:43but the needs are there.
00:19:45What is the absolute need of everyone?
00:19:47Clean air, you have it in Croatia and Switzerland.
00:19:49Water, both.
00:19:51Food is excellent in both countries.
00:19:53And after that, pleasant people.
00:19:55That's what Croatia gets.
00:19:57The environment is much more pleasant,
00:19:59human, warmer here,
00:20:01but Switzerland has a much better working environment.
00:20:03Order, work, discipline.
00:20:05In fact, they could be optimal in the confederation,
00:20:07because they have money,
00:20:09they are a reservoir of money,
00:20:11while Croatia is really financially poor
00:20:13and finds itself.
00:20:15Further.
00:20:17They have developed, which is terribly fundamental,
00:20:19at least for me,
00:20:21they have awakened every man.
00:20:23The secret of Switzerland,
00:20:25you don't have anything there.
00:20:27I think there was tourism in previous centuries.
00:20:29They had to learn to be self-aware.
00:20:31And in their code you have
00:20:33dear God and homeland,
00:20:35which in this country has not yet entered the minds of people.
00:20:37Not dear God,
00:20:39now some grandfather sits there on the clouds,
00:20:41but that means this is my homeland,
00:20:43this is my mother,
00:20:45and you don't play with these things.
00:20:47Whatever they were,
00:20:49because I will never criticize my mother,
00:20:51the god of Bakastanka,
00:20:53that's my mom.
00:20:55Accordingly, I learned that from the Swiss,
00:20:57self-respect.
00:20:59Every vineyard where I live has a barman
00:21:01and he is proud of his vineyard.
00:21:03And they never take off their gloves.
00:21:05Of course, globalization oppresses us too.
00:21:07Banks are also disappearing.
00:21:09Here is UBS, we had to save with 60 billion.
00:21:11Here are banking secrets, as far as we know.
00:21:13You are absolutely right.
00:21:15But you see, we will only
00:21:17that barrier that cannot be avoided.
00:21:19They did not enter the European Union,
00:21:21but they were completely compatible.
00:21:23We are on European projects,
00:21:25but Switzerland is outside the EU,
00:21:27as is Norway.
00:21:29Let me introduce you to my advisory team,
00:21:31the American president of this year.
00:21:33Exactly.
00:21:35You experience this as a recognition.
00:21:37And let's demystify a little.
00:21:39Absolutely.
00:21:41I heard some people say,
00:21:43well, Pavunac, everything is great,
00:21:45he got that recognition.
00:21:47However, how many more scientists
00:21:49have been invited with him?
00:21:51What will they talk about with the energy minister
00:21:53who invited you?
00:21:55What will you advise the American president?
00:21:57I will advise the American president
00:21:59the same way I advise anyone in Croatia.
00:22:01And that's why they invited me.
00:22:03They said, people, I am honest
00:22:05and I fully testify my truth.
00:22:07First of all, this is not the biggest compliment.
00:22:09The biggest compliment was when
00:22:11professors sent me to England.
00:22:13Leontic, Babic, Baric believed in me.
00:22:15They should have believed in me then,
00:22:17not today.
00:22:19Today I have already proven everything.
00:22:21If you think that CIA does not have a complete file on me,
00:22:23it does, and not only CIA.
00:22:25CIA gave me a computer,
00:22:27a phone,
00:22:29and at any moment I can communicate anywhere.
00:22:31The Americans have proven me to the end.
00:22:33Am I better here
00:22:35than other experts?
00:22:37No.
00:22:39Do you think the Americans will give you
00:22:41their intimate and secret stories
00:22:43if they do not have trust in you?
00:22:45I have been working for 31 years,
00:22:47including the last 27
00:22:49when I met Jesus Christ,
00:22:51on every hygienic connection
00:22:53with people.
00:22:55When you see pictures
00:22:57of people around the world,
00:22:59and I will show you some here,
00:23:01then I made a direct
00:23:03communication with each person.
00:23:05What does that mean?
00:23:07That means
00:23:09that if I am on this show today,
00:23:11my first honest human instinct,
00:23:13but also naivety,
00:23:15is to become a sincere friend with you,
00:23:17including disagreement.
00:23:19Cultural disagreement is the basis of civilization,
00:23:21as well as science.
00:23:23Can a person have a lot of sincere friends?
00:23:25He can not.
00:23:27Is that the naivety, Pauno?
00:23:29It is, in a broad sense,
00:23:31but not in a narrow sense.
00:23:33You will see why.
00:23:35Here you see my photo
00:23:37in the Brookhaven National Laboratory
00:23:39where I was last summer.
00:23:41I worked with the Americans before,
00:23:43and not once.
00:23:45I made a laboratory,
00:23:47and the point is
00:23:49that they recognized me.
00:23:51Here you see a Nobel laureate,
00:23:53who is also a professor in the US,
00:23:55who gave me a bonus as a physicist,
00:23:57Laszlo Foro, a member of my institute.
00:23:59I also work with the Americans
00:24:01in CAFTO,
00:24:03which includes the Ministry of Science,
00:24:05which was supported by the former minister.
00:24:07A regular conference where we copy Jews.
00:24:09We bring the best people on the planet.
00:24:11Absolutely the best.
00:24:13Regularly, every two years,
00:24:15with the support of Ruzel BoÅ”ković.
00:24:17This is important.
00:24:19Davor Pavuna, Lani in Miami.
00:24:21This is the director of the Institute for Peace
00:24:23in the Middle East.
00:24:25Israeli, Palestinian.
00:24:27I am even included in this.
00:24:29Peace in the Middle East.
00:24:31According to this,
00:24:33they all know this.
00:24:35You have a scientist,
00:24:37a communicator, a visionary.
00:24:39You have a confirmation in science
00:24:41that I have seen things that others have not seen.
00:24:43What does that mean?
00:24:45Courage.
00:24:47This is very necessary in science.
00:24:49Everywhere.
00:24:51What is Obama's message?
00:24:53Courage.
00:24:55Courage.
00:24:57We need to talk about politics.
00:24:59But before that,
00:25:01I am interested in the next thing.
00:25:03You say that you are not allowed
00:25:05to reveal secrets.
00:25:07I can't say which people were in the US.
00:25:09But in general,
00:25:11why is it important for you as an advisor?
00:25:13That's what the children told me.
00:25:15Dad, go and explain to people.
00:25:17Look, the planet Earth could be a paradise.
00:25:19As it was originally.
00:25:21We went in time
00:25:23when dangerous scientists like
00:25:25Newton and researchers appeared.
00:25:27We went and made all the technologies.
00:25:29You have all the metals,
00:25:31oil, cars, weapons,
00:25:33chemical pollution,
00:25:35packages.
00:25:37Imagine that we live
00:25:39the same smart people
00:25:41Let's be honest.
00:25:43I will talk a little about civilization.
00:25:45This is still the Roman Empire,
00:25:47only with better technology.
00:25:49Look, everything is Roman.
00:25:51I read Cicero last summer.
00:25:53This is Rome.
00:25:55The number of roads in Rome
00:25:57was bigger than in the US.
00:25:59We just raised technology,
00:26:01destroyed globalization,
00:26:03and this is now called a new civilization.
00:26:05We alienated, frustrated,
00:26:07all as individuals.
00:26:09In the meantime,
00:26:11we made a lot of technology.
00:26:13Now there are 7 billion humanoids.
00:26:157 billion.
00:26:17Croatia is wonderful,
00:26:19because there are few people.
00:26:21Why dirty technology?
00:26:23Why not the sun?
00:26:25Here is a concrete example.
00:26:27For 10 years,
00:26:29people have been talking about
00:26:31electric cars.
00:26:33You have three reasons.
00:26:35One is manipulation.
00:26:37If you believe in democracy,
00:26:39I respect it as an idea.
00:26:41As I respect the idea of communism.
00:26:43But don't mix up the concepts.
00:26:45Look at the behavior of the EU.
00:26:47You will see what the EU is,
00:26:49and what is the behavior of the EU
00:26:51and its members.
00:26:53As far as I am aware,
00:26:55I am not so aware.
00:26:57The planet is really
00:26:59a very interesting combination.
00:27:01Manipulation of many centers of power,
00:27:03not one.
00:27:05When you live as a Croatian foreigner,
00:27:07you will learn it very quickly.
00:27:09Who are your friends?
00:27:11When I knock on a church,
00:27:13a man will feed me.
00:27:15Then build bridges to the Israelis,
00:27:17Italians, Croats,
00:27:19so you can survive.
00:27:21On the same planet,
00:27:23you find other countries.
00:27:25China, India, Korea.
00:27:27Every time a unique story.
00:27:29Why don't we have electric cars?
00:27:31Because there were manipulations.
00:27:33They didn't have a cost-effective solution.
00:27:35You have to look at the oil price.
00:27:37Third, we weren't aware enough.
00:27:39When I was a kid,
00:27:41there were 2 billion of us on the planet.
00:27:43Now there are 7.
00:27:45It's not the same crisis.
00:27:47Look at Zagreb.
00:27:49Zagreb has a real problem.
00:27:51Zagreb will behave differently.
00:27:53There must be a need.
00:27:55For humanoids to wake up,
00:27:57there must be a need.
00:27:59We are not aware of all aspects.
00:28:01You can't survive on the planet.
00:28:03Neither you nor I.
00:28:05If we don't save Amazon.
00:28:07Because it's too much wood
00:28:09in a short time
00:28:11to survive and save that segment.
00:28:13And that's cheap.
00:28:1530 billion dollars.
00:28:17Right now you have a letter
00:28:19from the Brazilian president.
00:28:21They are currently positive
00:28:23360 billion dollars.
00:28:25They could save Amazon,
00:28:27and many others.
00:28:29You have a wide range of interests.
00:28:31You deal with the global economy.
00:28:33You didn't hesitate
00:28:35to go to the crisis.
00:28:37You advised the Croatian government.
00:28:39Exactly.
00:28:41How exactly?
00:28:43First, my students work
00:28:45in consulting companies
00:28:47all over the world.
00:28:49I even know Croatian physicists.
00:28:51One of them works in a laboratory.
00:28:53The other one works
00:28:55in investments in Wall Street.
00:28:57He is a billionaire.
00:28:59And this one still works
00:29:01for 100,000 dollars a year.
00:29:03Let's get back to your question.
00:29:05I wanted to ask you
00:29:07about the strategic future of Croatia.
00:29:09But when you talk about energy,
00:29:11we have been discussing
00:29:13how the strategic future of Croatia
00:29:15is thermoelectrons and gas electrons.
00:29:17Do you care about that?
00:29:19Are you sad about that?
00:29:21No, I'm not sad at all.
00:29:23Let's set the parameters.
00:29:25The first parameter is
00:29:27the Earth compared to the Sun.
00:29:29Every moment we receive
00:29:312,000 times more energy
00:29:33from the Sun than we use at that moment.
00:29:35It is 100% sure
00:29:37that the solution is
00:29:39the Sun.
00:29:41The question is how to prepare
00:29:43and how to use it.
00:29:45I can honestly say that
00:29:47Americans are working on that.
00:29:49Croatia is in a very good situation
00:29:51because the Sun is enough.
00:29:53We will not solve
00:29:55the nuclear issue immediately.
00:29:57Not because physicists would be evil.
00:29:59We have to be pragmatic.
00:30:01Just like oil.
00:30:03What will happen
00:30:05will take up to two generations.
00:30:07It won't happen tomorrow.
00:30:09The transition from gray energy
00:30:11and oil and bad materials
00:30:13to a green civilization
00:30:15that we can get
00:30:17in two generations.
00:30:19The Chinese are also working on that.
00:30:21The transition
00:30:23is a process
00:30:25and it lasts longer.
00:30:27And when we realize
00:30:29that the processes last from Tesla
00:30:31to today,
00:30:33only four generations.
00:30:35In that time,
00:30:37we were not sure
00:30:39if nuclear energy exists.
00:30:41We didn't know
00:30:43if there will be a change
00:30:45or a change in electricity
00:30:47in that time.
00:30:49Stalin, Hitler,
00:30:51and Tito.
00:30:53And Saddam Hussein.
00:30:55They were so important.
00:30:57They are not important.
00:30:59Science is more important.
00:31:01Electron didn't survive.
00:31:03That's why I have these toys.
00:31:05The most important thing
00:31:07in the world is information.
00:31:09I will explain a little about physics.
00:31:11Information is a physical thing.
00:31:13Here is a lot of information.
00:31:15No matter how small the computer is.
00:31:17Here is the same information.
00:31:19We are already working on a prototype.
00:31:21It will be even smaller.
00:31:23You can put it in yourself.
00:31:25The message to those who know how to think
00:31:27is that the universe
00:31:29is intrinsically intelligent.
00:31:31Davor Pavun said
00:31:33in front of the Croatian nation
00:31:35that nature is intrinsically intelligent.
00:31:37Let me explain what the second word means.
00:31:39Intrinsically.
00:31:41The smaller the volume
00:31:43you study,
00:31:45the more likely you are to decode it.
00:31:47Or,
00:31:49if you want,
00:31:51you go to CERN and look at the experiments.
00:31:53The particles know how to behave.
00:31:55Even what we call vacuum
00:31:57in the field of free space.
00:31:59It is alive for me.
00:32:01In a non-reductionistic way.
00:32:03It is constantly buzzing.
00:32:07If you take the option
00:32:09to make a modern civilization
00:32:11from a big crack,
00:32:13this genesis has
00:32:15a fantastic logic in it.
00:32:17Let me add one more thing.
00:32:19Nobody thinks about it,
00:32:21but I do.
00:32:23What fascinates me
00:32:25is not Davor Pavun,
00:32:27but what fascinates you.
00:32:2910 billion, billion, billion
00:32:31atoms are moving here.
00:32:33This is a fundamental thing.
00:32:35This is a fundamental proof of science.
00:32:37Wait.
00:32:39What are the correlations
00:32:41between 10 to the 28th atom
00:32:43and 10 to the 83rd atom?
00:32:45Every atom is identical.
00:32:47Isn't it a miracle?
00:32:49Unbelievable.
00:32:51Isn't it a miracle
00:32:53that Davor Pavun
00:32:55or Aleksandar Stanković
00:32:57created the universe?
00:32:59Is it because of all this
00:33:01you are talking about?
00:33:03Is it because of the colors,
00:33:05the width, the masses,
00:33:07the knowledge,
00:33:09all that you can't teach?
00:33:11Is it because of all this
00:33:13that Jesus was needed?
00:33:15So that you don't get lost?
00:33:17To be honest,
00:33:19No, no, no.
00:33:21Absolutely not.
00:33:23I love your provocations.
00:33:25I'm not afraid, I'm a provocateur.
00:33:27I'll be totally honest.
00:33:29Very honest.
00:33:31I'm talking about the Catholic Church,
00:33:33but I have to be honest.
00:33:35That level of consciousness,
00:33:37which Jesus knew very well,
00:33:39you have to read the New Testament.
00:33:41That's a deeper level.
00:33:43I will deliberately use
00:33:45the Hindu language this time
00:33:47to explain to people
00:33:49when they know something about it.
00:33:51You have different vibration levels.
00:33:53That can be measured.
00:33:55I can measure in physics.
00:33:57I even have friends in Zagreb
00:33:59who know it.
00:34:01Alpha, beta, gamma, delta states.
00:34:03And it is even used
00:34:05when you can't play tennis.
00:34:07Because the ball comes 120 km per hour.
00:34:09You won't play tennis, you won't ski.
00:34:11So you have a different level of consciousness.
00:34:13Delta state of consciousness
00:34:15is when you are half asleep
00:34:17and you have visions.
00:34:19Mr. Stanković, I will say it publicly
00:34:21on Croatian television,
00:34:23I saw you in the future
00:34:25as I saw my wife.
00:34:27That's called premonition.
00:34:29But I can explain that.
00:34:31Why can I explain that?
00:34:33As I often saw
00:34:35my wife in the future.
00:34:37Now I will explain why.
00:34:39Pure science.
00:34:41There is no time.
00:34:43I can't explain that in this episode.
00:34:45Because we know that in physics.
00:34:47We measure time by increasing entropy
00:34:49or by reducing information
00:34:51in an isolated system.
00:34:53However,
00:34:55it is much simpler.
00:34:57When you open yourself
00:34:59and remember
00:35:01your so-called past,
00:35:03you remember emotional pictures.
00:35:05No one remembers what I said in the previous episode.
00:35:07They remember subliminal emotional projections.
00:35:09That's the past.
00:35:11For me, in my inner self.
00:35:13That's a prayer for the future.
00:35:15If now I imagine
00:35:17something terribly sincere
00:35:19and visualize it,
00:35:21it will manifest.
00:35:23Here is the proof.
00:35:25This iPhone device
00:35:27was an idea in someone's head.
00:35:29A glass.
00:35:31It was an idea in someone's head.
00:35:33According to Davor Pavun,
00:35:35when he was working in his laboratory in America,
00:35:37or when he was working on a new planet,
00:35:39or on a new Croatia,
00:35:41it was an idea in my soul.
00:35:43What is the idea in your soul?
00:35:45Let's go back to the question of the current Croatian crisis.
00:35:47Exactly.
00:35:49What? How?
00:35:51First of all, I must praise
00:35:53the Croatian government for
00:35:55seeing their mental possibilities.
00:35:57You have to look at their mental structure.
00:35:59They didn't live outside for 31 years.
00:36:01It's just that Nader is 13 and Primorac is 6.
00:36:03What does that mean?
00:36:05Everyone has to live outside?
00:36:07Absolutely. Leaders have to live outside.
00:36:09Well, Nader lived outside.
00:36:11I say 13 years,
00:36:13but not 31.
00:36:15That's why he's not a physicist.
00:36:17He's a dramatist.
00:36:19He leads the nation
00:36:21as if it's an interesting drama.
00:36:23And that's legitimate.
00:36:25How does Nader lead the nation?
00:36:27I didn't want to film that.
00:36:29Foreign Croatia and domestic Croatia
00:36:31are politically separated.
00:36:33However, the foreign Croatia
00:36:35that I was a part of
00:36:37is Croatian,
00:36:39because no matter how much they separated us,
00:36:41now you have it at home,
00:36:43and we are outside.
00:36:45We are all together.
00:36:47We have analyzed every politician.
00:36:49What is Nader like?
00:36:51Nader is much better than Račan,
00:36:53but honestly,
00:36:55you told me earlier
00:36:57that Nader and Milanović are the same.
00:36:59There is no big difference.
00:37:01You are right.
00:37:03In this crisis,
00:37:05at this moment,
00:37:07all the nations on the planet
00:37:09have no choice.
00:37:11The biggest problem for everyone
00:37:13is that the media shows
00:37:153 million people on the street,
00:37:1730,000 people on the street,
00:37:19so it's unemployment.
00:37:21The media can't have any other policy,
00:37:23because it's the banks
00:37:25and legalized thieves
00:37:27who lost their credibility
00:37:29and faith in each other.
00:37:31The only credibility
00:37:33is that of the elected government
00:37:35or the political caste.
00:37:37What are they doing?
00:37:39Everyone is so aware of it.
00:37:41The Brazilian president
00:37:43said three days ago
00:37:45that we are in a new era.
00:37:47We have to put people first.
00:37:49No one can do it differently.
00:37:51Obama is the biggest problem in Michigan.
00:37:53The automobile industry is going down.
00:37:55Everywhere.
00:37:57Mr. Pavlović,
00:37:59what happened?
00:38:01Speaking of the years
00:38:03when you went to the Western world,
00:38:05you talked about some idealism.
00:38:07But now, when you talk about the crisis,
00:38:09there is no idealism.
00:38:11There is.
00:38:13I am not alone.
00:38:15You are talking about a banking system
00:38:17What is it?
00:38:19Only mathematicians,
00:38:21physicists and hard-working people
00:38:23can lead the planet.
00:38:25When I was a student at Davos Pavlović...
00:38:27Wait a minute.
00:38:29Did you read his biography?
00:38:31Yes.
00:38:33That man
00:38:35really formed himself.
00:38:37Yes, but he was induced
00:38:39as a man of social sciences.
00:38:41Exactly.
00:38:43Who engaged him after that?
00:38:45Why Steve Chu?
00:38:47He is a smart man.
00:38:49Why?
00:38:51There is no difference.
00:38:53I want to say that
00:38:55many of you want to favor
00:38:57natural sciences over social sciences.
00:38:59Obama is a political scientist.
00:39:01He knows that there are smarter people than him.
00:39:03He engaged in a certain energy segment.
00:39:05He is a smart man.
00:39:07The second principle is very important.
00:39:09The principle of meritocracy.
00:39:11The American principle,
00:39:13I don't want to make it up.
00:39:15First-hand people
00:39:17choose first-rate.
00:39:19First-rate people
00:39:21choose first-rate people.
00:39:23Second-rate people choose third-rate people.
00:39:25Only the best people choose better than themselves.
00:39:27Where is Croatia?
00:39:29Of course, in mediocrity.
00:39:31Second-rate people choose third-rate people.
00:39:33Or?
00:39:35Or, as is quite certain
00:39:37in the case of Mr. Sanadri,
00:39:39they try first-rate people.
00:39:41I can say that
00:39:43because I was an advisor.
00:39:45Let me ask you a question.
00:39:47Let me idealize Mr. Sanadri.
00:39:49I agree.
00:39:51His government is quite pale, isn't it?
00:39:53He has chosen people
00:39:55who are undoubtedly smarter than him.
00:39:57However, no one should oppose him.
00:39:59We totally agree.
00:40:01He has a stronger dictatorship than Tudjman.
00:40:03He puts Mr. Jarnja when he is led by HDZ.
00:40:05He knows the police.
00:40:07He has an Irish company
00:40:09but no one else does it.
00:40:11Is it necessary?
00:40:13No, it is not.
00:40:15However, if you want a model for now,
00:40:17Mr. Sanadri has it.
00:40:19When I asked people in Zagreb in 1999
00:40:21if they had a better model,
00:40:23they did not have it.
00:40:25We are talking about readiness.
00:40:27I did not say that the government
00:40:29has to put a crisis manager in the lead
00:40:31and that it has to make a deal
00:40:33to have a reserve of money.
00:40:35You have to predict the future.
00:40:37The crisis does not happen by itself.
00:40:39It is in you and in us.
00:40:41What kind of crisis do you mean?
00:40:43First of all, this crisis is like a fire
00:40:45that goes in all directions.
00:40:47Therefore, Sanadri,
00:40:49no matter who he is,
00:40:51it does not matter.
00:40:53It will happen to them.
00:40:55Tomorrow, a bank will go bankrupt.
00:40:57I do not know which one.
00:40:59Statistically, one bank may go bankrupt.
00:41:01After that, another bank will go bankrupt.
00:41:03Hungary is currently in a coma.
00:41:05Does it mean that Molo is in a coma?
00:41:07It means that Ina is in a coma.
00:41:09Ina is half the economy of Croatia.
00:41:11It can happen to us that because of the collapse
00:41:13of Hungary, which did not save the EU,
00:41:15Ina falls.
00:41:17What will the government do?
00:41:19The only credible government
00:41:21is Titoism.
00:41:23Everyone looks at Tito.
00:41:25Everyone looks at Sanadri or Å uker.
00:41:27This is the same model in Switzerland.
00:41:29Everyone looks at the center of power
00:41:31which is relatively credible.
00:41:33Tito must provide a reservoir,
00:41:35an option, like a fire extinguisher.
00:41:37These are very real things.
00:41:39It is difficult to follow the Koteči system.
00:41:41Scientists do not know.
00:41:43They do not know.
00:41:45His economic council only knows
00:41:47classical elements and good advice,
00:41:49but these are all classical economies.
00:41:51What would be the step?
00:41:53The step would be to engage people
00:41:55who know the multidimensional economy.
00:41:57There are, of course.
00:41:59Did you call someone?
00:42:01We have Dr. Karaman,
00:42:03the founder of the Broz Institute,
00:42:05who offers us to make a technological council.
00:42:07He was also involved.
00:42:09Other smart people called me.
00:42:11They even called me from the government
00:42:13before your show and support me.
00:42:15Primorac called you?
00:42:17No, someone else called me.
00:42:19Primorac is temporarily taken over.
00:42:21It does not matter.
00:42:23I know more or less everything.
00:42:25They follow us because they love silence.
00:42:27They know that I speak in the name
00:42:29of the people who live abroad.
00:42:31They love silence.
00:42:33I provoke, but I do not provoke negatively.
00:42:35I really love Croatia.
00:42:37I am totally impressed
00:42:39by the Croatian people.
00:42:41I told your driver.
00:42:43It is impossible for 5 million people
00:42:45to have a village in China,
00:42:47in Wuhan,
00:42:49to have Kostelić.
00:42:51It is incredible.
00:42:53Did you have Anto Kostelić here?
00:42:55I will not, but I am trying.
00:42:57Look,
00:42:59you sing like me.
00:43:01It is incredible.
00:43:03I played for foreigners
00:43:05and they died of happiness.
00:43:07Let's go to the third.
00:43:09Our people are wonderful.
00:43:11They just lack
00:43:13high correlation.
00:43:15We work up to 20 people.
00:43:17We are not able to create an auto industry
00:43:19because we do not know how to create high correlation.
00:43:21Genetically and ideologically,
00:43:23correlation breaks when we are too many.
00:43:25We sold 200,000 pistols.
00:43:27We sold our people.
00:43:29We made a car.
00:43:31It is not important.
00:43:33Croatian knowledge can be made.
00:43:35We have to do something.
00:43:37Why do we win in football?
00:43:39Smart man Bilić.
00:43:41He worked in England.
00:43:43He knows everything about England.
00:43:45Let's go further.
00:43:47He does not only work with domestic players.
00:43:49He brings them from abroad.
00:43:51Foreigners constantly harass us.
00:43:53Not me,
00:43:55but globally.
00:43:57As Israelis, we collect
00:43:59completely.
00:44:01Of course.
00:44:03Do you want Croatia to be a loser?
00:44:05Not a single Croatian
00:44:07does not want to be a loser.
00:44:09They are all winners.
00:44:11Every man is a winner.
00:44:13Every man.
00:44:15Davor Pavun is not better than any Croatian.
00:44:17I am telling you honestly.
00:44:19The lady who sells carrots
00:44:21is as good and as important as Davor Pavun.
00:44:23You are emphasizing that people
00:44:25should not be satisfied with the average.
00:44:27If they are given,
00:44:29you are absolutely right.
00:44:31You are absolutely right.
00:44:33I had a professor from Ljuborić Gymnasium
00:44:35who gave me an A.B. Šimić.
00:44:37Croatian again.
00:44:39Man, do not step under the star.
00:44:41Mother Teresa and Holy Father Pope told me that.
00:44:43Man, do not step under the star.
00:44:45If your name is Aleksandar Stanković,
00:44:47be the best journalist you can.
00:44:49If you are Davor Pavun,
00:44:51do not be Einstein,
00:44:53but be Davor Pavun until the end.
00:44:55If you are Štefica Pepić,
00:44:57do not be Einstein.
00:44:59Can this be a reason for frustration?
00:45:01If you are XY,
00:45:03you want to be the best baker,
00:45:05but you are not the best baker.
00:45:07My dear,
00:45:09Mr. Stanković,
00:45:11I adore your provocation.
00:45:13Thank you so much.
00:45:15You asked all the questions.
00:45:17First of all,
00:45:19frustration is inevitable.
00:45:21This is called
00:45:23Janusian thinking.
00:45:25The Greeks already knew it.
00:45:27You are in a conflict of frustration.
00:45:29This is how science improves.
00:45:31I have a black model,
00:45:33I have a yellow model.
00:45:35Both are terrible competitions.
00:45:37And then you overdo it.
00:45:39The history of civilization
00:45:41is not that Einstein is better than Newton.
00:45:43In fact, Newton is still the best.
00:45:45In the age of total ignorance,
00:45:47as the best mathematician of two years,
00:45:49he calculated the whole planet.
00:45:51He was the best mathematician of that time.
00:45:53He was also a mystic.
00:45:55In peace, without these nonsense.
00:45:57And then he decoded
00:45:59the gravity of the universe,
00:46:01which Einstein only corrected.
00:46:03Newton was the first.
00:46:05Newton started this modern civilization,
00:46:07but we started in the wrong direction,
00:46:09as I said.
00:46:11The foundations are already there,
00:46:13and I, the civilization I want to live with you,
00:46:15and not only in Croatia,
00:46:17will be totally green.
00:46:19It will be based on love as the first principle.
00:46:21Today,
00:46:23the answer is clear.
00:46:25Is that a utopia?
00:46:27No.
00:46:29If you understand what I said,
00:46:31if the future is the future past,
00:46:33it is in me.
00:46:35If I connect the planetary and the domestic
00:46:37society of knowledge,
00:46:39and planetary,
00:46:41and we are not alone.
00:46:43This is my society in America.
00:46:45The same thing.
00:46:47I lived in Washington,
00:46:49and not only in Washington.
00:46:51I am with people who have the same dream as me.
00:46:53That's why I came to Croatian television.
00:46:55My own children told me,
00:46:57Dad, I'm going to tell that story.
00:46:59I'm going to tell that story.
00:47:01My children want to go to Croatia this summer.
00:47:03My children want to live in Croatia.
00:47:05I want Croatia to be exceptional,
00:47:07and it can be,
00:47:09clean, unpolluted, smart people.
00:47:11What are your children's vocations?
00:47:13Marko is 20 years old, he studies business.
00:47:15Ana is 16 years old.
00:47:17She would like to go to archaeology,
00:47:19anthropology, because she does not believe
00:47:21in lies and stories.
00:47:23She writes a book about Lemuria and Atlantis.
00:47:25Which brings me to the facts
00:47:27of history, including in this area.
00:47:29Can you do that in Croatia?
00:47:31Absolutely, my dear Mr. Stanković.
00:47:33You see, Davar Pavuna here in Croatia
00:47:35is totally connected.
00:47:37Why don't you go back to Croatia?
00:47:39You're absolutely right.
00:47:41I'll be very simple.
00:47:43When I tried, they didn't want me,
00:47:45they said I was too good.
00:47:47Academician Slavim Baričić and General
00:47:49KreÅ”imir ČoÅ”ić tried to get a place
00:47:51for me in Zagreb during the war,
00:47:53but they didn't succeed.
00:47:55That's the pressure of mediocrity.
00:47:57Absolutely, that's why I'm here.
00:47:59How can you recommend your children
00:48:01to come to Croatia?
00:48:03Because they will come on vacation for now,
00:48:05but they will come to a better Croatia.
00:48:07Much better.
00:48:09I agree with Minister Primorac,
00:48:11but I also agree with Academician Å laus,
00:48:13and with Mr. Ivo Josipović,
00:48:15who sits with me in the National Agency.
00:48:17I guarantee you,
00:48:19this is a universal idea.
00:48:21The Catholic Church, the SDP,
00:48:23and the HDZ agree.
00:48:25Who is against pure Croatian knowledge,
00:48:27love, and pure food that we have?
00:48:29Who?
00:48:31Lobbyists.
00:48:33Lobbyists.
00:48:35That's why I'm here.
00:48:37To testify.
00:48:39To testify about lobbyists.
00:48:41To wake people up.
00:48:43I told you before,
00:48:45and I will say it publicly now.
00:48:47There is a group of people
00:48:49that no one remembers.
00:48:51FIFA.
00:48:53When the World Cup comes,
00:48:55billions of people visit that page,
00:48:57everyone turns on the TV,
00:48:59and I have nothing against it.
00:49:01That's an old gentleman
00:49:03who sits there in Switzerland.
00:49:05Did they pay a penny
00:49:07for African or Brazilian originality,
00:49:09where players like all these managers
00:49:11and this rich squad in the football?
00:49:13What did they come to the show for?
00:49:15What did they fight for the planet?
00:49:17Did Davor Pavun, the physicist of originality,
00:49:19come to you?
00:49:21When did the banker come to you?
00:49:23The bankers won't.
00:49:25They are smart.
00:49:27Yesterday a gentleman
00:49:29said it so well.
00:49:31Politicians only sell fog
00:49:33because they talk about hopes
00:49:35that they can't realize.
00:49:37They are not trained for realization.
00:49:39But that's how it is in politics.
00:49:41No, it's not.
00:49:43Maybe we idealize Obama a little too much.
00:49:45No, we don't generalize.
00:49:47We idealize.
00:49:49Mr. Stanković,
00:49:51when you work with coronal systems,
00:49:53you have better physicists in Zagreb
00:49:55than me.
00:49:57No, I insist.
00:49:59I don't know multidimensional thinking.
00:50:01Mr. Stanković, I know how to think.
00:50:03The universe is not three-dimensional
00:50:05or four-dimensional.
00:50:07It is multidimensional.
00:50:09You have to develop a multidimensional
00:50:11way of thinking.
00:50:13Women are great at it.
00:50:15I give a message to Croatian women.
00:50:17The quality of the nation is the quality of women.
00:50:19And I beg you, dear Croats,
00:50:21don't let your men be mothers
00:50:23and dominate you.
00:50:25It's clear why.
00:50:27Women feel it on a different level.
00:50:29They have complete information.
00:50:31It's like a complete closet is open
00:50:33and we, men, always open one.
00:50:35These are known things.
00:50:37You have seen multidimensional thinking
00:50:39and communication.
00:50:41I'm going back to what your friends said
00:50:43so you won't get angry.
00:50:45Why?
00:50:47Politics respects other laws
00:50:49that are not only related to science.
00:50:51You have evictions,
00:50:53or lies.
00:50:55I'm ready for you, Mr. Stanković.
00:50:57I'm ready.
00:50:59I have an option.
00:51:01I'm sorry, I thought they were yours.
00:51:03Let the bad guys win.
00:51:05Let the blue manipulators,
00:51:07the Illuminati, the Masons,
00:51:09and the Globalization Squad win.
00:51:11You think it's in effect now?
00:51:13Exactly.
00:51:15Mr. Stanković, it's even announced.
00:51:17I've read everything.
00:51:19In 1985, Ruth Montgomery wrote
00:51:21in Washington.
00:51:23I have them all.
00:51:25They announced it in Hyderabad
00:51:27in 1985.
00:51:29What did they announce?
00:51:31It's going to happen.
00:51:33You have my lecture on E.V. Pillar
00:51:35in 1999.
00:51:37The lecture of E.V. Pillar's scientist
00:51:39in 1999, November.
00:51:41I have it in my computer.
00:51:43The collapse of the financial system.
00:51:45What bothers you in Croatia,
00:51:47and you mentioned it in the show,
00:51:49the Bolshevik mentality,
00:51:51the communist mentality.
00:51:53Where do you see that mentality?
00:51:55Did you have it with you
00:51:57when you went abroad?
00:51:59Here it is.
00:52:01They don't want to hear the truth.
00:52:03Imagine, Mr. Stanković,
00:52:05that Davor Pavun would go to England,
00:52:07he would spy on his professors,
00:52:09and they would all be killed.
00:52:11After that, Davor Pavun would come to England
00:52:13and make his own
00:52:17and after that,
00:52:19he would kill a million Englishmen
00:52:21or Frenchmen,
00:52:23illegitimately,
00:52:25and then he would declare himself
00:52:27the president for the rest of his life.
00:52:29That's Josip Broz Tito.
00:52:31I didn't know this when I went abroad.
00:52:33This is solid science.
00:52:35The Russians announced, not me,
00:52:37the Jews,
00:52:39that Tito was spying on his own people
00:52:41from the former Yugoslavia.
00:52:43I didn't know that at all.
00:52:46They killed them.
00:52:48Next.
00:52:50I didn't know about Tito.
00:52:52He was a Stalinist.
00:52:54He was a total Stalinist.
00:52:56Then he needed Churchill,
00:52:58and I said that this was a failure
00:53:00of the British Empire.
00:53:02Tito made Yugoslavia
00:53:04in the context of Britain.
00:53:06I was on Yalta.
00:53:08Then he made his own Yugoslavia,
00:53:10where he eliminated
00:53:12whoever he needed.
00:53:14This is totally illegitimate.
00:53:16Choose whether it's Churchill or Tito.
00:53:18I'm leaving it to you.
00:53:20This is what the Slovenes announced.
00:53:22144,500 dead.
00:53:24I can't check this.
00:53:26You can check these numbers,
00:53:28not me or Ivo Pilar.
00:53:30It's not me.
00:53:32If I had killed someone,
00:53:34I would never have come to this show.
00:53:36I would die.
00:53:38One crime is too much.
00:53:40When I was on guard in Kragovac,
00:53:42it hurt me that someone killed
00:53:446,000 children and women in Serbia.
00:53:46I'm a man.
00:53:48I'm proud to be a man.
00:53:50I'm ashamed
00:53:52to ask you
00:53:54who you are as people
00:53:56or at least as humanists
00:53:58to allow the name of Marshal Tito
00:54:00to appear
00:54:02when they put generals in Hague.
00:54:04Wait.
00:54:06What kind of logic is this?
00:54:08The world legal system doesn't exist.
00:54:10This exists.
00:54:14This is the same in Tokyo and Zagreb
00:54:16and in Korea.
00:54:18Gravitation.
00:54:20The legal system doesn't exist.
00:54:22Americans don't recognize Hague.
00:54:24Then why do we take off our gloves?
00:54:26Have you seen an Israeli-Arab general in Hague?
00:54:28Wait.
00:54:30So the court in Hague is a political creation.
00:54:32What is the goal?
00:54:34The Americans can do that.
00:54:36They are too strong.
00:54:38Thank you, Mr. Snankovic.
00:54:40You said that politics is a game
00:54:42of what is possible and what is not.
00:54:44Davor Pavun says that the strongest force
00:54:46is the love of Christ.
00:54:48You can call others.
00:54:50I say that either they will win
00:54:52or we will.
00:54:54In the future,
00:54:56not for me,
00:54:58but for those who win in politics.
00:55:00I'm not talking about you.
00:55:02I'm talking about those who
00:55:04are struggling in politics.
00:55:06You are constantly advertising.
00:55:08Only for this.
00:55:12If they win,
00:55:14there is no more of us.
00:55:16There is no more of us.
00:55:18This is legitimate.
00:55:20But what if we constantly talk
00:55:22about the past?
00:55:24As I said,
00:55:26you can't visualize the future
00:55:28if you are blocked in the past.
00:55:30Davor Pavun, until he healed his wounds
00:55:32and his youth,
00:55:34that is a prayer of dying.
00:55:36That is what Sion Tolos realized.
00:55:38It can be in any tradition.
00:55:40A man has to heal his wounds.
00:55:42A prayer of healing
00:55:44is to move with yourself.
00:55:46Davor Pavun has total peace in himself.
00:55:48So you are equal.
00:55:50Absolutely not.
00:55:52When I marry my child,
00:55:54I want something beautiful and noble.
00:55:56Is love equality?
00:55:58Ask any woman.
00:56:00I'm sorry that there is no woman in the show.
00:56:02You and me,
00:56:04two men,
00:56:06let's talk about something else.
00:56:08Something softer.
00:56:10According to his orientation.
00:56:12Last week I had a woman here,
00:56:14so we talked about something else.
00:56:16Let's look at the position of the woman on the planet.
00:56:18Let's talk about the truth.
00:56:20I said in the email,
00:56:22if after this show,
00:56:24let's not change the title,
00:56:26if we prevented you,
00:56:28you and me,
00:56:30from raping a child,
00:56:32we did a lot.
00:56:34Every 15 minutes,
00:56:36women rape a child.
00:56:38Do you think that all this is fun?
00:56:40No.
00:56:42See what happened in Germany.
00:56:44Thank you for provoking me again.
00:56:46You are right.
00:56:48Thank you very much.
00:56:50Someone will watch this show
00:56:52and say,
00:56:54who was Kostanković?
00:56:56He was a strange man.
00:56:58I'm not sure if he will be a better man tomorrow.
00:57:00I'm not sure.
00:57:02I'll teach you something.
00:57:04You use a medium called electromagnetism.
00:57:06It's the same.
00:57:08If I send a message to Australia,
00:57:10the speed of light is 300,000 km per second,
00:57:12so it takes a tenth of a second.
00:57:14My friend Luka Laus
00:57:16receives a message in a tenth of a second.
00:57:18The point is what Davor Pavunas says
00:57:20as a quantum physicist.
00:57:22Everything is quantumly connected at the moment.
00:57:24But dear Mr. Stanković,
00:57:26when you are at the level of Christ
00:57:28or Satorius,
00:57:30at the moment,
00:57:32I also send a subliminal positive message
00:57:34to all viewers.
00:57:36I didn't come to this show
00:57:38to talk about tralala.
00:57:40Everyone will forget it anyway.
00:57:42Except for a few provocations.
00:57:44What message?
00:57:46The message of love.
00:57:48Here is a Croat,
00:57:50who is trying to tell the truth,
00:57:52that we are better than him.
00:57:54And that we can live better
00:57:56both planetarily
00:57:58and nationally.
00:58:00I am proud to be a Croat,
00:58:02but I can't be anything else.
00:58:04Can I be a Korean?
00:58:06It's impossible.
00:58:08Why is a Korean proud to be a Korean?
00:58:10It's a great question.
00:58:12Thank you again.
00:58:14Because it's much worse than here.
00:58:16When the Japanese occupied 1945,
00:58:18they destroyed them.
00:58:20They destroyed their churches.
00:58:22There was not a single one.
00:58:24There were thousands of creative people
00:58:26all over the country.
00:58:28I am talking about physicists,
00:58:30engineers.
00:58:32There were not more than a thousand engineers
00:58:34in Korea in 1945.
00:58:36And the nation wakes up,
00:58:38removes the Japanese,
00:58:40and then makes a plan for three generations.
00:58:42The first generation will make institutions.
00:58:44The Croatian have it, but they are bad.
00:58:46Then we will send young people to the West,
00:58:48to America, all religious schools.
00:58:50Because the culture is so phenomenal,
00:58:52collective, that children
00:58:54wouldn't be proud like you and me.
00:58:56And now you don't have innovators like in America.
00:58:58In America, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs
00:59:00will be billionaires.
00:59:02Their culture is too Catholic,
00:59:04so I won't go into their culture.
00:59:06And the children are sleepy.
00:59:08They don't want to be wild billionaires.
00:59:10The main problem now is
00:59:12how to lubricate Sonya,
00:59:14how to be better in all segments
00:59:16than the Japanese.
00:59:18There are no billionaires
00:59:20like you say.
00:59:22No, no, no.
00:59:24You didn't get it.
00:59:26I said it was a subliminal project.
00:59:28George Soros can become a billionaire
00:59:30if he doesn't get rich.
00:59:32Forget Soros, it's the third league.
00:59:34This is your guy,
00:59:36who works at Tetrapak.
00:59:38He wants to get rich,
00:59:40so I met him.
00:59:42He got rich on someone's money again.
00:59:44Ask him how much his employees pay.
00:59:46Probably.
00:59:48No, Mr. Stakovic.
00:59:50Those who start to pay poorly
00:59:52are ruined.
00:59:54The first rule of business
00:59:56is that you learn.
00:59:58The one who cheats is ruined.
01:00:00See how the financial system is ruined.
01:00:02No one believes in each other.
01:00:04I was contacted by
01:00:06world's innovators and investors.
01:00:08Whoever in Croatia has a phenomenal idea
01:00:10in energy or biotechnology
01:00:12can contact me.
01:00:14You have a deal with Radman.
01:00:16I know him personally.
01:00:18He says that the management system
01:00:20in the world is built on wrong ideas.
01:00:22There is a caste of over-rich
01:00:24compared to millions of people.
01:00:26It's nothing new.
01:00:28You agree with what I'm saying,
01:00:30but you haven't been here for a minute.
01:00:32Wait, wait.
01:00:34I said it was a phase transition.
01:00:36I said it was a phase transition
01:00:38with this globalization squad.
01:00:40They all became proletarians.
01:00:42The middle class became proletarians
01:00:44and they are up there.
01:00:46Do you know what will happen now?
01:00:48They will be lost and people will wake up.
01:00:50Message for the end.
01:00:52Yes, the names will change.
01:00:54Tito will be removed.
01:00:56They turned against Tito
01:00:58at the end of the fall of the British Empire
01:01:00and the Russians and the British BBC.
01:01:02Slovenians and Serbs.
01:01:04Homogenization of us Croats
01:01:06is constantly happening
01:01:08through some Milosevic.
01:01:10Now, in relation to the EU,
01:01:12Slovenia is homogenized.
01:01:14I hope I will homogenize this nation
01:01:16a little bit and say
01:01:18let's wake up.
01:01:20If we did that, we did a lot.
01:01:22Community. Foreign and domestic Croatia together.
01:01:24And we are winners,
01:01:26as well as footballers and athletes.
01:01:28Thank you for the hospitality.
01:01:30Thank you for the provocation.
01:01:32I didn't want to oppose Tito.
01:01:34That was expected from me,
01:01:36but I won't.
01:01:38I don't think we will remove him.
01:01:40Not because of me,
01:01:42but because of others.
01:01:44While they should have kept him,
01:01:46now they removed him.
01:01:48Probably, if the principle is similar,
01:01:50maybe Churchill will come into question,
01:01:52considering the bombing of Dresden.
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