Retired Colonel Royina Garma, inilahad ang proseso ng “reward systems” sa Davao model ng war on drugs ni former Pres. Rodrigo Duterte | GMA Integrated News
Sa patuloy ng pagdinig ng House QuadComm, itinanong ni Rep. Raoul Manuel kung ano ang proseso ng “rewards system” kay retired Colonel Royina Garma matapos niyang maglahad ng impormasyon tungkol sa war on drugs ni dating Pangulong Rodrigo Duterte sa kaniyang affidavit.
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00:00Mr. Chair, in the affidavit of Col. Garma, he mentioned that he was called by former President Rodrigo Duterte.
00:10When he was called, was the plan to implement nationwide the War on Drugs split? Is that correct?
00:23Yes, yes, Mr. Chair.
00:26Mr. Chair, when former President Rodrigo Duterte was mayor in Davao,
00:34was the War on Drugs implemented there based on how we perceive it now? Is that correct?
00:45Yes, Mr. Chair.
00:47Mr. Chair, at least now, it's a good thing that Col. Garma admitted it
00:52because in our previous questions, it wasn't immediately put on record in the committee.
01:00At least now, we know once and for all.
01:06Mr. Chair, when Col. Garma was station commander,
01:11at the time of former President Rodrigo Duterte as mayor,
01:16does that mean that given her role, she was one of those who implemented the War on Drugs in Davao?
01:24Is that correct, Mr. Chair?
01:41No?
01:55Please clarify the question.
01:57Mr. Chair, my question is because Col. Garma became station commander when Rodrigo Duterte was mayor in Davao.
02:06Does that mean that given her role, she was one of those who implemented the War on Drugs in Davao?
02:15Yes, Mr. Chair.
02:17Mr. Chair, she implemented the War on Drugs in Davao because she was with the Davao Boys and Girls mentioned earlier by NUPL.
02:29Is that correct, Mr. Chair?
02:32Mr. Chair, can I explain my answer, Mr. Chair, so that the congressman can understand?
02:39Yes, Mr. Chair.
02:40Please bring the microphone closer to you.
02:44This is how it works actually.
02:52When conducting a police operation,
02:54if the operation is successful and you file the case in court,
03:03you will submit a report to the City Hall monthly,
03:09and it will contain the filed case and the I.S. number,
03:14the proof that the case was filed, and the details of the case.
03:19Once you submit this, the operational expenses will be refunded.
03:24That's Php 5,000 per case or per operation.
03:31Now, if your operation is big and you need an operational fund,
03:39you will also request the City Hall for the funding of the operation plan.
03:50Now, in case there was an operation and subsequently there was a death on the part of the suspects
04:04during an illegitimate operation, there is also a corresponding amount that is given, Mr. Chair.
04:14So, that is how it works.
04:18So, Mr. Chair, it means that it is true that there were Davao boys and girls who carried out war on drugs.
04:26To confirm, Mr. Chair, that is correct.
04:28That is the mode of operations as described. Is that correct?
04:33Is that what Davao boys and girls conduct and do?
04:42That is the system of how you will refund the operational expenses.
04:48What they call it and what they call it, for me, it's not relevant.
04:56For me, it's not relevant as long as the process on how the funds are being provided, that is what I am explaining.
05:09If that is how it is politically described, then that's it.
05:18Okay. Mr. Chair, regarding the reward system, because it is also mentioned in the affidavit,
05:24that the operational expenses are being refunded and there is also funding for planned operations.
05:31This is the co-plan and there is also a reward if the suspect is killed. Is that correct, Mr. Chair?
05:39Yes, Your Honor.
05:41Mr. Chair, we were able to get information, although in the past, it was just rumored,
05:49but now that we are holding investigations, we were able to get sources.
05:56When it comes to the reward system, if a pusher is killed, that is the so-called level 1,
06:07and the reward is P50,000. Will that be confirmed by Col. Garma, Mr. Chair?
06:18Mr. Chair, I am not so familiar with the specific amounts, but there is an amount per level.
06:28I think Col. Leonardo can explain what the specific amount is.
06:32I might be wrong if I say it is P50,000 or P100,000 or P1,000,000,
06:37but there is a corresponding amount per level, Mr. Chair.
06:41Okay. Mr. Chair, from the information we got, there are four levels.
06:48Level 1 is P50,000 for the pusher, if the pusher is killed.
06:53Level 2 is P100,000 for the big-time pusher.
06:59For the narco-cops, narco-politicians, or protectors, it is P300,000 to P500,000.
07:07For traders, manufacturers, chemists, ninja-cops, or financiers,
07:14the reward is P1,000,000 if they are killed.
07:19Is that leveling and amounts familiar to Col. Garma?
07:26There is an amount, Mr. Chair, from what I understand, starting P20,000 to P1,000,000,
07:32but I am not familiar with the bracketing, Mr. Chair.
07:37Mr. Chair, the P20,000 is the street level or small-time involved in drug trade, right?
07:47Most likely, because that is the smallest amount as far as I know, Mr. Chair.
07:55And to compare, Mr. Chair, those who were killed in Davao Penal Colony,
08:01because their task in drug trade is to become chemists,
08:09so if they are level 4, the reward is P1,000,000 for killing them.
08:19And because there are three of them, it is P3,000,000. Is that right, Mr. Chair?
08:25I don't know, Mr. Chair, because I didn't see how much,
08:29if they were really classified, what level, I didn't see it.
08:35But you can confirm that the highest is P1,000,000?
08:39As far as I know, Mr. Chair.
08:42Okay, Mr. Chair, regarding the implementation of the War on Drugs on a national level,
08:52regarding Col. Garma's conversation with former President Rodrigo Duterte,
08:57did he say that he has an intention to implement the Davao model across the country? Is that true, Mr. Chair?
09:09Yes, Mr. Chair.
09:11And, Mr. Chair, regarding this plan, the incumbent senator, Bongo, is on loop there, is that right?
09:28Mr. Chair, I didn't get the question. Kindly repeat, Your Honor.
09:33Mr. Chair, regarding the plan to implement the Davao model across the country,
09:38based on the affidavit, we want to confirm that Senator Bongo is on loop there, is that right?
09:45As far as I understand, it would appear, Mr. Chair, because he was the one who met Mr. Leonardo.
10:02Mr. Chair, when a suspect is killed in a drug trade, who is the first to report the instances of someone being killed?
10:15On the ground, you will make a report, Mr. Chair, a spot report.
10:24And then, there is a phone number that is disseminated to all of the RD, PD, Chief of Police,
10:34where the result of the police operation is texted.
10:40And these phone numbers are handled by the people of Mr. Leonardo.
10:48Mr. Chair, since Colonel Garma became a part of the War on Drugs in Davao,
10:55is he familiar with or does he know if there is a competition in different police stations
11:03for the number of people who were killed?
11:05Especially if there is a reward for killing a person as compared to just being arrested.
11:13Is there such a type of competition among police stations?
11:18None, Mr. Chair, during our time.
11:21Mr. Chair, when it comes to how different police stations or police officers
11:33what were the precautions to say that a police station is effective in conducting the War on Drugs?
11:48For us in Davao, it depends on the station you are handling
11:55because it is already profiled on the classification of drugs,
12:01if the barangay is invested in drugs.
12:04So there is a projection because we have a baseline that we established during that time.
12:16So it is projected how many people are possible to be arrested every month, Mr. Chair.
12:25But of course, there comes a point where you are not caught or it is too low
12:31because it also depends on the performance of the patrol in the area
12:35as part of preventing the occurrence of illegal drug trade.
12:41So you will choose to operate or intensify the police patrol
12:47so that you will not be caught and the sale of drugs will not continue.
12:52You just choose between the two.
12:55Mr. Chair, that is about the reward system when a suspect is killed
13:01even though we would like to underscore that they are just suspects.
13:05Mr. Chair, when it comes to the funding of planned operations,
13:10who will fund those operations, the so-called co-plan based on the affidavit?
13:18What I understand is that when there is a big police operation,
13:22the case operation plan is submitted to Sir Leonardo for funding.
13:29And I think Sir Leonardo will be able to explain where the funding comes from, Mr. Chair.
13:36Mr. Chair, as far as I know, is there any private individuals or corporations
13:42that provide donations for these planned operations?
13:49I'm not aware, Mr. Chair.
13:51I'm not aware.
13:53Mr. Chair, is the amount given for each operation the same?
14:04I'm not aware, Mr. Chair. I'm not the one evaluating the co-plans.
14:09As far as I know, it is submitted to him and he will facilitate the funding, Mr. Chair.
14:16Okay. And Mr. Chair, as far as the third type of money used for these plans,
14:25the refund for operational expenses, what are the types of expenses?
14:34Because if it is refunded, it means that there is an abonor, right?
14:38Is the system like that when conducting operations?
14:42Do the involved police first abonor and then they will ask for a refund?
14:51I will explain further, Mr. Chair.
14:55The real money is in the ground, Mr. Chair.
14:58We are the real top in the ground.
15:01There is really no fund.
15:03You will really abonor.
15:06Even by bus money, the chief of police will abonor
15:10so that he can mark it.
15:12Sometimes it will burn and run away.
15:14It's gone.
15:15Then you will not be caught.
15:17You will not really be able to refund your money.
15:19So the chief of police and the operatives are really abonor.
15:25That is why in Davao, once the police operation is successful,
15:29you file the case.
15:31There is an I.S. number.
15:32Proof that you filed the case.
15:35The expenses will be refunded by P5,000,
15:39like photocopy, by bus money, payment for the agent,
15:44food for the suspect when you bring it to the court
15:49because you will also wait in court for a long time.
15:53So those are the expenses, which is very decent enough.
15:57Just enough to return and refund the personal expenses
16:02that were spent by the chief of police or the operatives
16:05during the police operation, Mr. Chair.
16:09Mr. Chair, for those who are being refunded for operational expenses,
16:15where or who gets the refunded amounts?
16:22Are we referring to the National Scope, Mr. Chair?
16:26Is there a question or Davao?
16:28In Davao, Mr. Chair.
16:30In Davao, we have to submit the after-activity report to the City Hall.
16:36And then you will sign a voucher that will refund all the expenses.
16:44How about when the scale of implementation of war on drugs became national or nationwide,
16:51who also gets the refund?
16:55It's all to Col. Leonardo, Mr. Chair.
16:59Okay. So far, Mr. Chair, those are my questions.
17:04But so far, based on what we've heard so far, Mr. Chair,
17:08I'm still absorbing them because it's not usual to hear
17:17that someone confirms that there is a reward system
17:23for the amounts ranging from the small time,
17:27where even for innocents, the price is P20,000 for them,
17:32and then the big time, P1 million for each head.
17:37And from Davao, it became massive all the way to the whole country.
17:43That's why the police officers are so eager
17:49that if the goal of neutralization is to kill,
17:54that's how big the reward they will get, Mr. Chair.
17:58That's all for now. Thank you very much.