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00:00The interview J.D. Vance doesn't want Donald Trump to see.
00:03R.K. file unearthing it.
00:05These are Vance's comments in the weeks after the 2020 election, admitting Joe Biden won
00:10it.
00:11Now, this is consistent with the old J.D. Vance, who was a vocal Trump critic.
00:14But it is, of course, a very far cry from what we hear from Vance now, which case in
00:19point, here he is at the VP debate last week.
00:24Did he lose the 2020 election?
00:25Tim, I'm focused on the future.
00:28Obviously, Donald Trump and I think that there were problems in 2020.
00:31All right, Andrew Kuczynski of K-File is out front.
00:34So what did you find?
00:35Yeah, Erin, it is really shows Donald Trump's stranglehold over the Republican Party that
00:41the question of did Donald Trump lose in 2020 has become seen as a gotcha question.
00:46It is not a gotcha question and Vance's answers around this really reflect his shift from
00:52someone who was once calling Donald Trump possibly America's Hitler to somebody who
00:56is now parroting his false election rhetoric.
00:59But that is not how he always felt.
01:01Take a listen to this clip from November of 2020.
01:06I really don't see any any reason to think that this is going to become violent or chaotic.
01:11I think that when Biden is inaugurated, people will more or less accept it and it'll be on
01:16to the next fight.
01:19And what does Vance say there?
01:20He says that Biden is going to be inaugurated.
01:23He said that he does not think things are going to get violent.
01:27And that is a remarkable shift from him parroting those false election claims today.
01:32It certainly is.
01:33Now, he is singing a very different tune now, right?
01:36He says things very differently, which shifts, you know, kind of tracks with his run for
01:40office.
01:41I mean, here's just a few examples.
01:44I think the election was stolen from Trump.
01:45Obviously, Republicans, a lot of us don't trust the results of the 2020 election.
01:49I happen to think that there were issues back in 2020, particularly in Pennsylvania.
01:54And yet even in that context, just today, Andrew, he said something that I thought was
01:58remarkable just in the context of the fact that he's now going along with the election
02:01was stolen, irregular, all those things.
02:05To your point about violence, he said this today.
02:08We discourage rioting.
02:11We do not riot.
02:13Nobody in this room and nobody in this movement is going to riot.
02:18So, what more are you learning about, you know, when he weighs in and what he says about
02:24this issue?
02:25Yeah, look, we went through every J.D. Vance, when he was nominated, every J.D. Vance tweet.
02:30We went through his deleted tweets.
02:31We went through his likes.
02:32We went through his public statements and interviews.
02:35After the election, before the election, we did not find one single instance of him claiming
02:40that the 2020 election was stolen.
02:42In fact, we found the opposite of that until he decides to run for office.
02:46And at that point, he is basically making a play for Donald Trump's endorsement.
02:50He's a former critic.
02:51And we see him out there with the same rhetoric as basically every other candidate in that
02:54crowded Republican primary for the Ohio Senate saying that Trump, the election was stolen
02:58from Donald Trump.
02:59So, isn't it amazing?
03:00When you look at that diagram, when he runs, you see the shift.
03:02Interesting, what Trump will think of what he says today.
03:05We do not riot.
03:06Nobody in this movement, nobody in this room is going to riot.
03:10That was a significant moment.
03:13What little I know about Bob Woodward is that he is, I'm going to use a word here.
03:19He is a hack.
03:21The guy's a hack.
03:23So have I talked to Donald Trump about his calls with Vladimir Putin?
03:28No, I've never had that conversation with Donald Trump in my life.
03:31But if Donald Trump, even if it's true, look, is there something wrong with speaking to
03:36world leaders?
03:37No.
03:38No.
03:39We'll dig into that in a moment.
03:42That was Senator J.D. Vance, Trump's running mate, responding to stunning new details about
03:46the former president's contact with Russian President Putin after he left the White House,
03:52which has raised new questions about Trump's relationship with him just weeks before this
03:55election.
03:56This is all detailed in the legendary journalist Bob Woodward's new book, War, that is out
04:01next week.
04:02I should note, Woodward has been incredibly breaking news since before he first reported
04:07on Watergate.
04:08CNN's special correspondent, Jamie Gengale, obtained an advanced copy of the book and
04:12is here with more revelations.
04:14And Jamie, obviously, that was one of them about all the conversations that he's had
04:18up to seven with Putin since then.
04:20But the other part of this that you reported on this morning that was so fascinating is
04:24that in the height of the pandemic, when Americans are struggling to get COVID tests, Trump actually
04:30sent some to Putin in Russia.
04:33Right.
04:34And I think there are two key words here.
04:37Not only, according to Woodward's book, did Trump send some to Putin, but it was a secret
04:44shipment for Putin's personal use.
04:48And what Woodward has in his book is a verbatim phone call between Trump and Putin at the
04:55time in which they discuss it.
04:57So Putin says to Trump, please don't tell anybody you sent these to me.
05:03Trump, I don't care.
05:05Fine.
05:06No, no.
05:07I don't want you to tell anybody, because people will get mad at you, not me.
05:13They don't care about me.
05:16It's just a remark—it's remarkable to have that verbatim exchange, which Woodward has.
05:22There are a lot of transcripts, documents, other things that back up this book.
05:28But it is sort of interesting just to hear Russian President Putin, former KGB agent—I
05:37mean, what is going on in that exchange?
05:41Is he really concerned about Donald Trump?
05:45Is he still the KGB agent playing him?
05:49Is it—
05:50Yeah, it sounded like reverse psychology to me.
05:53Right.
05:54Correct.
05:55Yes.
05:56Yeah, I think so.
05:57And then that they've spoken over the seven times, Woodward reported?
06:01So this is a fascinating story.
06:04This comes—Woodward writes that a top Trump aide told him that—this is post-presidency.
06:12So a top Trump aide tells Woodward that Trump sends him out of the room and tells him he
06:19has to leave because he's about to have a phone call with the Russian president.
06:25And according to Woodward's book, the top aide said to Woodward that there have been
06:30as many as seven calls between Trump and Putin since he left the White House.
06:38Now, look, it is true what J.D. Vance said, that former presidents do speak to other foreign
06:45leaders, but normally it's not a secret, or they give the White House or State Department
06:52a heads-up, a courtesy of what happens.
06:54That's a very, very good point.
06:56Good reporting.
06:57Jamie Gingale, thank you.
06:58Sure.
06:59And joining me now is the former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO and retired four-star admiral
07:03James Stavridis, who has a new book out today, The Restless Wave.
07:07And we'll talk about that in a moment, but given you are someone who has actually been
07:10sanctioned by the Kremlin, I just wonder what you make of both of those revelations that
07:15Jamie reported on today, including the national security implications of Donald Trump speaking
07:20to Putin, given that was at the same time he's urging Republicans not to give Ukraine
07:24any more money for its war.
07:26You know, Jamie's husband, Danny Silva, is a marvelous novelist.
07:31You couldn't make up fiction like this, frankly.
07:35And secondly, I think as an American, you wish that instead of sending COVID tests,
07:41he would have sent him some bleach, which was his recommendation, Trump's, to take bleach
07:46to get through everything.
07:48In all seriousness, I worry about it a lot as a national security practitioner.
07:53Number one, what intelligence is Putin, a trained interrogator, a former KGB operative,
08:00what is he getting?
08:02Number two, what a missed intelligence opportunity for the United States if Trump is having these
08:08conversations and not debriefing them.
08:11And number three, now that the story breaks, as it inevitably does, Caitlin, the optics
08:17of this are terrible for our efforts in Ukraine.
08:20Here's our former president allegedly having seven phone calls with arguably enemy number
08:27one of the United States.

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