LG Nightlight Interview
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00:00If you start calling Stephanie her name,
00:02is there a saying God can't have it?
00:03You can call me whatever you want.
00:04I want to see the real you.
00:06I tried to create an inner storm for her
00:10that would just feel like when they were together
00:14that there was a ticking time bomb inside of her
00:17and you just never knew when it was going to go off.
00:19Five years after his Dancing on the Stairs performance
00:22won him an Academy Award
00:24and sent his film to a box office bonanza,
00:26Joaquin Phoenix is returning as the Joker.
00:29But this time, he's not dancing alone.
00:32It's just us now.
00:34That volatile pairing of Joaquin's bare-faced Arthur Fleck
00:37and Lady Gaga's Lee, a reimagined Harley Quinn,
00:41putting the Madness for Two magic into Joker Follies Adieu,
00:45a sequel spawned by the first film's effect on Joaquin.
00:48I wanted that experience again.
00:50Oftentimes when you're coming to the end of a film,
00:53you're like, I just, I want it over, I'm done.
00:57I didn't want it to end.
00:59Gaga, why was it of interest to you
01:01when there's so many things you can do at any given moment?
01:04You know, the film that they made the first time together, Joker,
01:08that was what really interested me
01:10because I loved Arthur so much.
01:12Like, who would be the love in his life?
01:14Is it terrifying, Todd, to do a sequel?
01:16I would say we were under a microscope from the very beginning
01:19and then we bring Lady Gaga in.
01:22But, I mean, it's kind of the why we do what we do, right, to take risks.
01:27His two leads are no strangers to taking risks
01:30and performing on the edge.
01:35Glory has been Gaga's throughout her career,
01:38from her up-to-the-moment hits
01:40to her embrace of classic American song with Tony Bennett
01:43and her Oscar-winning Shallow from A Star Is Born.
01:48And as Joaquin prepares to turn 50 in late October,
01:52his 21st-century career alone
01:54features him falling in love with an A.I. Scarlett Johansson
01:58in Spike Jonze's Her,
02:00playing Johnny Cash in Walk the Line
02:02and radiating evil in Gladiator,
02:05all teeing him up for the maniacal Joker.
02:08You can do anything you want.
02:12You're Joker.
02:14You're Joker.
02:16I heard that line and I thought,
02:18well, so much of your career is about that.
02:21Yeah, I have the opportunity to try anything
02:24and then I rely on somebody else to make it work.
02:28What Fahlia does seeks to make work are the film's fantasy sequences,
02:32in which these two are shown singing live on the set,
02:35raw and real vocals, conveying their love.
02:38When we first started, I did not want anything to be spontaneous
02:42but I wanted to sound as good as possible.
02:45And Steph Agaga said...
02:48Joker Arthur.
02:50We should do them live.
02:52I was like, yeah, well, it's easy for you to say
02:54because it's what you do.
02:56You were really cool and kind of made me feel comfortable about that.
02:59I can assure you that Joaquin using his natural voice
03:03was just so much more compelling than any lip-syncing would ever be.
03:07We weren't just recording the vocals live,
03:09but we were, the accompaniment, the pianist that we were working with
03:13was playing live.
03:15And so the tempo would change and the performance would change.
03:21From inside his own off-kilter reality,
03:24Arthur's idiosyncratic selections from the Great American Songbook
03:28form his love language.
03:30Arthur is not a singer, but he's so moved with emotion
03:34that he has no choice, it's uncomfortable slightly.
03:37And the way that, like, the expression of love is
03:40when somebody is either like a child or in a childlike state,
03:44and this is kind of like the emergence of romance for him
03:47for the first time in his life.
03:49That became like the North Star for me, for Arthur's singing.
03:53It was almost easier for me because I'm just going to the limit of my ability.
03:58Gaga's limitless vocal abilities highlight her album Harlequin,
04:02which dropped early Friday,
04:04inspired by her folly of film characterization.
04:07We know you have a once-in-a-generation voice,
04:10but you're playing a character here,
04:12and you're using that voice the way the character would.
04:15Lee's not a performer, and I, you know, I am.
04:19And in a scene as a different character, it's just completely different.
04:23It's Lee's reality, it's coming from that character.
04:27But I also think, like, you know, I don't just sing that way in this movie,
04:31I also sing with my full voice.
04:33There's moments of fantasy in the film where Arthur's kind of dreaming,
04:38and I wanted to also have available for Todd, you know, in the edit,
04:42like, what would Arthur be dreaming of in this moment?
04:45What would he need?
04:46Yeah, what does she sound like to Arthur, of course?
04:48Right, and also, I do think that, like,
04:51a more kind of raw voice that has less technique,
04:56it created a different kind of realness,
04:59that Todd is, like, walking the line of reality and fantasy.
05:02Stephanie, she's famous on a different level than a famous actor is famous.
05:06She's world-famous as a performer, and it's really a different thing.
05:10And the concern I had a little bit was,
05:13is she going to be able to access vulnerability the way, you know, Joaquin can?
05:18I think we were all amazed how easily she was able to find that
05:22and just kind of use that.
05:24Really, it was kind of mind-blowing.
05:26I just appreciate also that they were really open to me
05:29bringing my perspective as a woman.
05:31It was essential that, like, her love of Joker
05:34was also rooted in her understanding of Arthur.
05:37Gaga's rare capacity for on-screen intimacy and connection.
05:41Joaquin's depiction of a Joker enraptured by real feelings for someone,
05:45producing some revealing moments.
05:48I was able to put some things of myself in her
05:50that maybe I've always been embarrassed of.
05:53When I first saw the film, I remember thinking,
05:56oh, like, that's in there, you know?
05:59Like, that part of me that I want no one to know about.
06:03And I think part of that was, like, she's kind of, in some moments,
06:08like, she's kind of so uncomfortable.
06:15She's, like, on the edge.
06:17The romance in this film,
06:19it definitely comes from a place of, like, real fragility.