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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:16What was expected, happened.
00:18There were no surprises.
00:20The thought was that the 63 decision will be struck down.
00:23But everything should be seen in context.
00:27When this decision came in 2022, the first time, the 63A was struck down by the 5-member
00:33bench.
00:34Even then, its consequences were more political.
00:36And then it was said that this is not a legal decision, it is a political decision.
00:41Although I am in favor of the revival of this decision, that it was really a wrong decision
00:46before.
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08:07anything?
08:08You have said?
08:09Basically, it happened so that this INE amendment is done.
08:14As you mentioned, the court also talked about some notices, caution, but I presented my
08:23opinion.
08:24And after that, when it happened, the court said that we want to ask you a question.
08:31In what capacity?
08:32There is only one capacity.
08:33You are the officer of the court.
08:35And now if the judge wants to ask you a question and wants you to answer it, then it is your
08:42responsibility as a lawyer, as a professional lawyer.
08:45But tell me one thing, when you said in the beginning that Mr. Khan wants to address
08:51the court, you knew that the court would not allow it.
08:54So was that announced knowingly so that there would be a tear in it?
08:59That gives you a further excuse because we all know that it was not going to happen.
09:03And they also said that you are making a very unreasonable request.
09:07I think it was a very reasonable request.
09:10Mr. Imran Khan's name has been taken and that name was his name, because he is a respondent
09:16by name.
09:17So it is his entitlement, it is his right if he wants to address the court.
09:21And when I spoke yesterday, it was the same decision that we will request for the first
09:25time.
09:26I have done this before.
09:27You remember in the case of Naib that he had addressed.
09:30He wanted to say something, he wanted to tell the court, but the court did not give him
09:37a chance.
09:38So after that, when I gave that answer to the court, then I said to the court again
09:44that since I do not want to join the proceedings, then allow me to go out of the room.
09:49They then let me go out of the room.
09:51This is also our norm.
09:53We do not go out of the court.
09:55And after that, I came out and did a press conference.
09:58The proceedings were going on inside.
10:00And I told the press conference that we have boycotted it.
10:03We are not participating in the proceedings.
10:05Whatever they want to decide inside, do it.
10:07And this press conference.
10:08Now tell me as a lawyer, is there any legal impediment?
10:11The numbers game is a separate thing.
10:14Is there any legal obstacle left for the government to make these constitutional amendments?
10:20Because earlier the vote count was not to be done.
10:23You are an open field for the government.
10:26You have to complete the numbers.
10:28You have to complete the numbers.
10:30First of all, the legal hitch is very clear.
10:33And that is that the bench that has decided, I had filed a petition in the morning.
10:40The petition in which I have challenged its formation.
10:43So until it is decided, this judgment is given by such a bench that has no authority.
10:52Which was not made according to the law.
10:54So this decision cannot be implemented.
10:57So the first thing is that we will not let it be implemented.
11:00Until the decision is not made from another bench.
11:04But Mr. Ali, tell me, you are not even accepting that judge's committee.
11:08Who wants to make a bench.
11:10So if the next bench is also formed to listen to this petition.
11:13She is also making the same committee.
11:15Which you are saying is not right legally.
11:18There are no three top judges in it.
11:20So will you now accept the bench made by that committee?
11:24No, now we have said this.
11:27And I also requested at the end, before leaving the court.
11:32That you call all the 18 judges, 19 judges who are available at the moment of the Supreme Court.
11:39And make them settle the matter.
11:42Which bench will listen and what will happen and how to solve the problem.
11:46Because without this we cannot move forward.
11:50And you will destroy the institutions.
11:52On that he said that you politicians, you also sit.
11:57We also give you this advice.
12:00I still have the same opinion.
12:02If you want to solve this thing, then all the judges should sit.
12:06But that is the discretion of the Chief Justice.
12:08That he calls his meeting in full court or not.
12:11No, Mr. Malik, this is not the case.
12:13The thing is that there are such Judicial Presidents.
12:16Where if other judges also sit in the majority and call them.
12:22Then they can also call a meeting.
12:24Like it happened with Sajjad Ali Shah.
12:28The senior judge Ajmal Mian.
12:31He said that I call the bench.
12:35You can ask me a question.
12:37Mr. Ali Zafar, Mr. Kashif also wants to ask something.
12:40Will it be a good president or a bad president?
12:43That if the judges who are of a higher number make their own bench and do business.
12:49Will that be good?
12:51Mr. Kashif, it has happened before.
12:54But its consequences were also bad.
12:57Its consequences were not good when it happened before.
13:01The consequences were absolutely right.
13:03Mr. Ajmal Mian had become a very good Chief Justice.
13:06And he had removed Sajjad Ali for his own resolution.
13:13And after that the matter of the Supreme Court had improved.
13:16But I am not saying that you should remove someone.
13:21I am saying that go towards the solution.
13:23Solve it.
13:24There is still time.
13:26The remaining judges can sit and call a meeting on their administrative side.
13:32They can call a meeting under Article 191.
13:36We have to save the institution.
13:39We have to help the institution.
13:41Mr. Ali, tell me one thing.
13:43I am venturing in the sensitive area.
13:46But I can see that the numbers game will be completed.
13:55We will discuss how it will be later.
13:58But the names are circulating in Islamabad.
14:02And we are also hearing that the formula will change.
14:07That next in line will automatically become Chief Justice.
14:11If one or two people from this bench...
14:15Someone's name comes up as the next Supreme Court Chief Justice.
14:20And someone's name comes up as the Chief Justice of the next Constitutional Court.
14:24If some people from this bench go there...
14:27Will they get the impression of a quid pro quo?
14:32What will be the reaction of the legal community on that?
14:35First of all, this bench is not a legitimate bench.
14:40This bench is illegal.
14:42This decision cannot be made.
14:44But if someone goes from this bench...
14:46As I said today, the perception is that...
14:48Let someone or something benefit or harm someone.
14:51A conflict of interest is taking place.
14:53Solve it kindly.
14:55That's why all the judges should sit.
14:57The Supreme Court should sit and solve it.
15:00There is only one way to save our institution.
15:04And that is this.
15:05And I said in court.
15:07You also heard.
15:08Even today, I am saying this in front of you.
15:10This is the position we always...
15:12Look, the issue is very simple.
15:14Whatever will be the decision on the merits...
15:18The way it was done, it was wrong.
15:20You narrated a little bit of the debate.
15:23But my debate was very clear.
15:25It was very clear at every point.
15:27And I could see.
15:28Everyone knew.
15:29In fact, the kids knew.
15:30Can I ask you one more thing?
15:32When you went to court at that time...
15:34I filed a report.
15:36Mr. Naik and his team...
15:38It was a very interesting report.
15:40In which they had drawn a comparison.
15:42On such a legislation of floor crossing.
15:44And a pattern was seen in it.
15:46That the mature democracies...
15:48For example, England...
15:50UK...
15:52America...
15:54France...
15:56And the countries like Canada, etc.
15:58There is no floor crossing there.
16:00And...
16:02There is no example other than...
16:04Pakistan and India.
16:06Where there is a penance.
16:08You survive by giving your vote.
16:10And this is in India and Pakistan.
16:12That it is a penalty.
16:14An example came that in Papua New Guinea...
16:16Our law was made.
16:18Where their vote will not be counted.
16:20And you will be released.
16:22But...
16:24Even that was blown by the Supreme Court there.
16:26So one thing is visible.
16:28Wherever there is a developed democracy...
16:30Such a law was not enacted there.
16:32And...
16:34Individual liberty was done on it.
16:36And it has been assumed that the person...
16:38He is not a thief or a beggar.
16:40He is doing it on his conscience.
16:42So...
16:44Law...
16:46It was done in a wrong way today.
16:48But the law is fine.
16:52I think the law is fine.
16:54Article 63A is fine.
16:56But the article 17-2...
16:58Article 17-2 is also fine.
17:00The first bench...
17:02The three-member bench...
17:04Justice Umar Bandyal was heading it.
17:06That is also fine.
17:08Because they...
17:10This cancer...
17:12Corruption...
17:14To stop it...
17:16Today you got such a long lecture.
17:18They said, do not talk to me about cancer.
17:20Talk to me in legal terms.
17:22Lawful and unlawful.
17:24You again came to cancer.
17:26I will not talk about it.
17:28Because it is cancer.
17:30It is cancer in our political arena.
17:32And in politics.
17:34And in Pakistan,
17:36the cancer had increased so much.
17:38Sir, last question.
17:40As you said three times today.
17:42Does this issue start a lawyer's movement?
17:44We can see it.
17:46Because the party is not visible in that state.
17:48The whole structure is destroyed.
17:50Some people are inside.
17:52Some are running.
17:54The whole issue is a legal issue.
17:56It is a political issue.
17:58Will the lawyer's movement lead it?
18:02I think it is necessary
18:04that along with the lawyer's movement,
18:06in our Jalsa Jaloos,
18:08a movement develops there.
18:10Only then it can be successful.
18:12Only lawyers
18:14cannot take this matter forward.
18:16For this, civil society,
18:18you, media,
18:20everyone needs to do it together.
18:22Because it is everyone's issue.
18:24And it is not necessary...
18:26Don't put it on us.
18:28Mian sir put it yesterday.
18:30Why don't the people ask?
18:32He himself went.
18:34He went in 1997.
18:36He went in 2019.
18:38He made a deal in 2018 and came back.
18:40Why don't people ask?
18:42Why don't people do it?
18:44Don't put it on us.
18:46We have made our own plan.
18:48We are very tired here.
18:50And if the Supreme Court,
18:52as I am suggesting,
18:54doesn't sit down and resolve it,
18:56then definitely,
18:58at least on this issue,
19:00the lawyer's movement will start.
19:02Thank you very much, Mr. Ali Zafar.
19:04You gave us time.
19:06Mr. Nusrat, what will happen?
19:08Tomorrow,
19:10there is a protest call.
19:12And there are very harsh statements
19:14on it.
19:16In fact, let's listen.
19:18They say they want dead bodies.
19:20The Interior Minister
19:22also seems to be ready
19:24to give dead bodies.
19:26It is very scary.
19:28Let's listen to what they are saying.
19:32If someone dies in this protest,
19:34then you will also get a 302 FIR.
19:36It will also be for Mr. Khan.
19:38It will not be for a revolt.
19:40There is a preparation to drop dead bodies.
19:42It has already happened in the planning PTA
19:44that people are being killed.
19:46If someone does this tomorrow,
19:48then I am telling them in advance
19:50that they should not expect
19:52any kind of leniency.
19:54This is a very thin line for us.
19:56I am telling them in advance
19:58that no one should tell us
20:00that we have to be lenient with them.
20:02We have asked the paramilitary forces,
20:04the rangers, the FCs,
20:06we have placed the army
20:08in Islamabad again.
20:10If someone feels good or bad about it,
20:12we will go to every extent,
20:14legally as well as otherwise.
20:16We will go to every extent,
20:18legally as well as otherwise.
20:20What is this otherwise?
20:22We will go to more than otherwise.
20:24Look, it is a serious matter.
20:26Let me say a small thing
20:28before going there.
20:30Look, Mr. Zafar,
20:32Ali Zafar, let's be very fair.
20:34He is too polite and decent kind.
20:36You know, he is a regular type.
20:38The problem is that
20:40his own lawyers expect
20:42him to come.
20:44What did they expect?
20:46They wanted
20:48the strong loyalist
20:50of Tehreek-e-Insaf,
20:52who is in my pocket,
20:54to be
20:56Sajjad Risha 2.
20:58You were also part of that scheme.
21:00We saw everything.
21:0228th November 1997.
21:04Absolutely.
21:06For that, Mustafa Kazmi
21:08had run a trailer car.
21:10There are hundreds of people standing there.
21:12Is the investigation going on?
21:14No.
21:16The problem is that
21:18for their party,
21:20Mustafa Kazmi
21:22is the hero.
21:24They were making Sajjad Risha.
21:26Now, look,
21:28there is a political side
21:30and a legal side.
21:32The legal side is good.
21:34It is heard and unheard.
21:36After that, there is a political side.
21:38They wanted to make Sajjad Risha.
21:40This was the wish
21:42of prisoner number 8000.
21:44It did not happen.
21:46Now, you and I wait for tomorrow.
21:48Tomorrow, we will not
21:50pay attention to the legal side.
21:52I think that
21:54after Attock,
21:56we will dig trenches.
21:58Do you remember
22:00when there was a previous government,
22:02the government of Yemen,
22:04the TLP was running from Lahore.
22:06A trench was dug near Jhelum.
22:08I think that
22:10the trench will be dug tomorrow as well.
22:12No.
22:14Kashif and I were sitting there.
22:16He is a leader
22:18who has inside information.
22:20According to my information,
22:22they will come.
22:24They will sit on Attock Bridge.
22:26They will wait
22:28for the constitutional amendments
22:30to be moved.
22:32Then, they will come to Islamabad.
22:34This is also one thing.
22:36The issue is
22:38that the numbers game has been revealed.
22:40It has to happen.
22:42They did not do all this to sit at home.
22:44Mr. Malana is so critical.
22:46First, they need legitimacy.
22:48If they join,
22:50it will be legitimized.
22:52If they do not join,
22:54there will be a gap of 8-9 MNAs.
22:56There will be Senators.
22:58There will be 2-2.5 billion.
23:00There will be 3-4 billion.
23:02I do not see that
23:04as an impediment.
23:32The elections were held before.
23:34The elections were held before.
23:36Mr. Malana called us.
23:38We had a detailed discussion for 2-2.5 hours.
23:40We discussed everything.
23:42We stopped everything.
23:44It was on our demand.
23:46Once, the word fake parliament was not used.
23:48No.
23:50Suddenly, after 3 days,
23:52on Sunday,
23:54the press conference was complete.
23:56How can they do this?
23:58So, something changed at that time.
24:00They said,
24:02whatever happened,
24:04we can do whatever we want.
24:06But,
24:08if you make this law,
24:10everyone can see
24:12what is happening.
24:14First, you made a decision
24:16in practice and procedure.
24:18Then, Anand Farnand committee was formed.
24:20Suddenly, that committee
24:22made a decision.
24:24The people sitting on the bench
24:26who are being told
24:28why this is happening.
24:30Not that people don't know.
24:32Everyone knows why this is happening.
24:34So, let's leave the legitimacy argument.
24:36In our country,
24:38there is no legitimacy argument.
24:40There is no need.
24:42It is our practical argument
24:44whether it will happen or not.
24:46I think it will be difficult.
24:48Because, if Mr. Malana goes out,
24:50he has a street power,
24:52a street strength.
24:54Mr. Malana can go out and remain silent.
24:56But, if he remains silent,
24:58then I think the government
25:00will not have a problem.
25:02If Mr. Malana's criticism
25:04comes on the streets,
25:06and for some reason,
25:08the lawyers' movement starts,
25:10and political parties
25:12and the opposition
25:14stand behind him,
25:16then the government
25:18will have a problem.
25:20I think Mr. Malana
25:22is a very clever man.
25:24He is a very clever man.
25:26Now, he is praying
25:28under his leadership.
25:30Mr. Malana has already said
25:32two things.
25:34He has no objection
25:36because he was also
25:38a part of the democracy.
25:40So, he can be a piecemeal.
25:42The second very important thing
25:44is that our friend,
25:46who you tried to question
25:48Mr. Ali Zafar,
25:50he gave you a slap.
25:52The problem is
25:54that this is Mr. Malana's
25:56own speech.
25:58What is this?
26:00He is a senior.
26:02This is his speech.
26:04This is his public position.
26:06Now, Mr. Malana
26:08should hop up sweetly.
26:10The point is that
26:12the opinion of the judge
26:14should not be taken over.
26:16This is government's aim.
26:18Let's face it.
26:20Let's not let Mr. Ali Zafar
26:22become a judge.
26:24Let's not let him become a judge.
26:26How to go about it?
26:28How to go about it?
26:30So, for that,
26:32my brother came to the panel.
26:34Now, Mr. Malana
26:36can give him a slap.
26:38Now, look, even now,
26:40he is playing a very good role.
26:42He is still...
26:44Let me tell you that
26:46this is a very good thing.
26:48The way he is taking this position,
26:50it could be, you know,
26:52do or die type.
26:54Tomorrow, the trend will be
26:56do or die after Imran Khan's speech.
26:58After that,
27:00the number of buses
27:02of 1122
27:04and the fact that the police
27:06will not come in uniforms
27:08so that it does not affect Punjab,
27:10the police of a province
27:12will be in plain clothes.
27:14If you go plain from here,
27:16you will be in plain clothes.
27:18Now, Mr. Malana,
27:20the press conference that was held today,
27:22you ignored that clip
27:24in my speech
27:26in a hurry.
27:28That was that
27:30Huzoor is saying
27:32that you present
27:34these mirror images
27:36when the Shanghai SCO
27:38will be resolved.
27:40Please,
27:42I request
27:44you to stop this protest.
27:46To make it practical,
27:48why not
27:50a person from the government
27:52like Atam Sawati,
27:54at Fajr time,
27:56tomorrow morning...
27:58But Mr. Khan says
28:00that the things that are decided by me
28:02will not be fulfilled later.
28:04No, if a good message goes like this,
28:06if Maulana is convinced,
28:08what is wrong with that?
28:10In the morning, read Fajr prayer with him
28:12He is the SCO of India.
28:14He is the foreign minister.
28:16So far, it is almost confirmed.
28:18And he provided
28:20the entire situation.
28:22But the statement of Kashir Bilawal,
28:24he just let the cat out of the bag.
28:26He spoke openly.
28:28After 25, your meme will not be possible.
28:30After 25...
28:32He framed the picture and put it
28:34on the wall of the Chief Justice.
28:36It will be possible in his presence.
28:38Otherwise, the 19th amendment drama
28:40After this,
28:42I am asking the government people
28:44who have been coming to the shows for 3 days.
28:46I say, why don't you
28:48issue a notification?
28:50Mr. Faiz Ji, you issued it 3 months ago.
28:52So, end this debate.
28:54So, let's talk about this.
28:56After this,
28:58is there any impression left
29:00which camp is whose favorite?
29:02And how we proceed forward?
29:04Mr. Inderpreet, do you want to say something?
29:06Quickly, then I have to take a break.
29:08I am telling you,
29:10again, in a very sophisticated way,
29:12you have misled us.
29:14It is a simple matter.
29:16This matter has been decided.
29:18Sajna-e-Maif-an-Asaan is for you.
29:20And we all know that name.
29:22We are hearing the third name.
29:24Yes, the third name will come.
29:26And that too is that
29:28our Pashtuns will be happy.
29:30What is the matter?
29:32Nusrat Sahab himself will die.
29:34Let's take a break.
29:36After the break,
29:38we will talk about this.
29:40Stay with us.
29:46Welcome back to the show.
29:48Before the break,
29:50Nusrat Sahab, we were discussing
29:52that people think that
29:54these constitutional amendments
29:56are just power games.
29:58Now, two things are clear.
30:00Now, the chief justice
30:02of the constitutional court
30:04will become a civil court.
30:06The real issues
30:08will come here.
30:10This will be a price posting.
30:12But the reforms that we are hearing
30:14are very dangerous.
30:16The question of civil liberties
30:18is also being raised.
30:20If you are elected in the name
30:22of the national security,
30:24you will have a very limited scope.
30:26Article 209 of the judges
30:28is being amended.
30:30It means that the famous
30:32Birmingham case
30:34and the Islamabad High Court case
30:36are being amended.
30:44We will see a lot of those things.
30:46Under these circumstances,
30:48if such things start
30:50and there is unrest,
30:52will the road become hot?
30:56Sir, I will tell you very seriously.
30:58Let me add one thing.
31:00The government and its allies
31:02have caught up with them
31:04in terms of parliamentary politics.
31:06Now, the politics of PTI
31:08looks like the politics of the road.
31:10Other than that, there is no response.
31:12No, I don't think so.
31:14Now, listen to me.
31:16As far as the creation of God is concerned,
31:18let's be very fair.
31:20They think that the entire state
31:22and its institutions
31:24are putting you against the wall.
31:26In this era,
31:28we are called ignorant.
31:30We are told that we vote
31:32by eating minced bread.
31:34We found out who is standing
31:36in our way.
31:38We left our homes.
31:40We took our bikes.
31:42We didn't sit in someone's truck.
31:44We voted for you.
31:46Now, don't call us daily
31:48on the road.
31:50Anyway, people have to run
31:52their homes.
31:54They should be given a little time off.
31:56You always
31:58have a sharp eye.
32:00You always have a sharp eye.
32:02Shah Mahmood Qureshi
32:04is also related to Multan.
32:06We were just talking about
32:08Adiala's prisoner.
32:10He wrote a letter to
32:12Bilawal Bhutto Zardari
32:14while he was a prisoner
32:16in Kot Lakhpat.
32:18Before writing that letter,
32:20he went to write a letter
32:22as a Qasid.
32:24This is another trick.
32:26Bilawal Bhutto Zardari
32:28is being told that
32:30he has to be disciplined.
32:32He has to do something.
32:34Why are you...
32:36I am taking this
32:38very seriously.
32:40Shah Mahmood Qureshi
32:42wrote a beautiful letter
32:44after a long time.
32:46He wrote that he worked
32:48with his mother and
32:50his grandfather.
32:53This is entirely different.
32:55When is this letter
32:57coming to the public?
32:59Ali Ameen Ghandabur
33:01has been asked to
33:03come to Attock Park.
33:05How do you see this?
33:07How will the road get hot?
33:09On one hand,
33:11the letter is being written.
33:13On the other hand,
33:15Ali Ameen is being asked to come.
33:17It will be the eighth time
33:19that the poor people
33:21will come to Attock Park.
33:23So I think that
33:25first make up your mind.
33:27Believe me,
33:29it was the best day
33:31of the Lawyers' Movement.
33:33If not yesterday,
33:35it was today.
33:37Mustafa said the tone
33:39and then it should have
33:41been.
33:43You are saying that
33:45PTI has tactics,
33:47but no strategy.
33:49Kashif,
33:51do you think
33:53they have a strategy
33:55for survival?
34:01Waiting for the right time
34:03is also a strategy.
34:05At this time,
34:07if you ask them
34:09if they have a cartridge
34:11that can kill,
34:13I don't think
34:15they have one.
34:17I think that
34:19the calls in the protest
34:21are serious.
34:23I think that
34:25the government
34:27should stop
34:29the whole city.
34:31There is no need
34:33to send more people.
34:35But the city is closed.
34:37The government is in trouble.
34:39Mohsin Naqvi is doing a press conference.
34:41Imran Khan is calling
34:43every other day.
34:45The city is closed.
34:49But ultimately,
34:51what will be translated?
34:53This is not cost-intensive.
34:55It is not human cost-intensive.
34:57You have to gather
34:59at least 30,000-40,000 people
35:01for the Jalsa.
35:03The protest is
35:05a public exercise.
35:07It can be done easily.
35:09But tell me one thing.
35:11Let's assume that
35:13the lawyers' movement
35:15is organized.
35:17Look at the position of the bars.
35:19Balochistan has announced its position.
35:21All the bars in Rawalpindi have announced their position.
35:23Islamabad has announced its position.
35:25So, if the bars
35:27collectively announce
35:29a movement,
35:31it is easy for the politicians
35:33and political parties to stand behind the bars.
35:35Let the bars fight their fight.
35:37It is possible that the bars
35:39are leading and the political parties
35:41are standing behind the bars.
35:43This is a trigger.
35:45There is no strategy in politics
35:47that works.
35:49Sometimes, there is an outside trigger.
35:51There is an event
35:53that changes everything.
35:55Whatever Nusrat said,
35:57this letter,
35:59I think, with great difficulty,
36:01Shah Mahmood Qureshi's credibility
36:03was restored.
36:05In this matter,
36:07his tragedy is
36:09that when he used to be inside,
36:11people used to say that he is inside
36:13because of some deal.
36:15When he used to come out,
36:17people used to ask him
36:19whether he is inside or outside.
36:21This letter will raise a new question.
36:23Even if there was an initiative
36:25as part of something,
36:27I think,
36:29his credibility will not be damaged.
36:31He did not write the letter himself.
36:33He had a dream.
36:35Before meeting him,
36:37he used to say that
36:39he has brought a very important message
36:41for Shah Mahmood Qureshi.
36:43Whose message did he bring?
36:45Because the message from there
36:47is the same as the one
36:49sent to Ali Amin in Gandapur.
36:51So, whose message was this?
36:53This raises a question.
36:55You must have thought of an answer.
36:57He has given his answer.
36:59What is your guess?
37:01I think, eventually,
37:03PTI is gradually realizing
37:05that we should
37:07wean PPP away from Shahbaz.
37:11Why did he write this letter?
37:13It could be.
37:17It is a very clear strategy.
37:21Will PPP make a big decision
37:23on its own?
37:25We used to hear that
37:27if the situation gets out of hand,
37:29then, ultimately,
37:31it is possible that
37:33PPP will become a government center.
37:35People's Party will become
37:37a driving force.
37:39I have seen you
37:41asking questions
37:43from my childhood.
37:45It is simple.
37:47Who is giving his face
37:49for this constitutional amendment?
37:51And he is going to cities
37:53without any respect.
37:55He has made his legacy issue.
37:57My mother.
37:59That is legacy at the cost of legacy.
38:01I have spoken
38:03to some senior people
38:05in PMLN.
38:07They are worried
38:09that we are paying all the costs
38:11and taking credit from Bilawar.
38:13Have you marketed for anyone?
38:15Have PMLN done this?
38:17They have gone.
38:19They have gone to Lahore High Court.
38:21They have gone to big places.
38:23What do you think of Bilawar?
38:25They have gone to PMLN.
38:27They have gone to
38:29the driving school of bargaining.
38:33There is no doubt about it.
38:35But the point is that
38:37there is a public posturing
38:39to make a movement.
38:41Let's take a break.
38:43After the break,
38:45in the last segment,
38:47we will see what next.
38:49We know the decisions.
38:51One of the benefits of Pakistan
38:53is that if you look at the bench,
38:55you will see that
38:57you have to look at the bench.
38:59Now, let's see what happens
39:01after the break.
39:07Welcome back to the show.
39:09Kashif, no holds barred.
39:11Let's talk about this.
39:13Shah Mahmood writes letters.
39:15He meets Alvi.
39:17I got an impression
39:19that Shah Mahmood
39:21must be convinced
39:23because he has done a lot.
39:25Don't blame me.
39:29Is this the last attempt
39:31of Imran Khan to establish
39:33that there can be a middle ground?
39:35If the People's Party
39:37comes in the lead,
39:39then we can co-exist.
39:41We cannot co-exist with Mian.
39:43Is this the last attempt?
39:45Can Shah Mahmood write this letter
39:47without Imran Khan?
39:49No.
39:51I know Shah Mahmood.
39:53You know him.
39:55I remember that
39:57Shah Mahmood gave a statement
39:59on Saudi Arabia.
40:01It was a Kashmir Day.
40:03Shah Mahmood said that
40:05we will have to make a new blog
40:07leaving Saudi Arabia.
40:09I got a call from him
40:11and asked him
40:13what he said.
40:15I told him that
40:17we think before we speak.
40:19If he writes a letter,
40:21I cannot for the life of me
40:23think that it will happen
40:25without Imran Khan.
40:27This can be a break for me.
40:29If we do it without Imran Khan,
40:31then it can mean the end.
40:33But is the aim of this
40:35that the People's Party
40:37and we together
40:39will solve the issue
40:41in front of the army?
40:43I don't think so.
40:45I think that the People's Party
40:47wants to remove Imran Khan
40:49from the Muslim League
40:51with a change of command
40:53in the Supreme Court.
40:55They might get some relief.
40:57They think that
40:59a judge will come in October
41:01and then see what the court does.
41:03Khawaja was also saying
41:05that the election will open
41:07and a lot will happen
41:09after October 25.
41:11I think they want to go
41:13to October 25 and October 26
41:15and somehow remove the People's Party
41:17from the Muslim League.
41:19The People's Party
41:21can come.
41:23These things happen behind the scenes.
41:25Letters and the public
41:27can come.
41:29This is another attempt
41:31with plausible deniability
41:33to talk to the powers that be.
41:35Sir, let me say one thing.
41:37I think that the People's Party
41:39has burnt their boats
41:41and told their brothers
41:43and sisters that
41:45they can't sell a meme.
41:47Let's do it.
41:49Then we can claim
41:51the throne.
41:53Whatever the People's Party
41:55is doing, they are doing it
41:57because they want to.
41:59Sir, the thing is that
42:01after delivering,
42:03you don't deliver in politics
42:05just like that.
42:07Let's say that
42:09two peace memes
42:11have been committed by the Maulana himself.
42:13The main important thing
42:15in my opinion is
42:17that there should be a panel.
42:19Seniority is not the issue.
42:21The most important thing
42:23is that I can even
42:25discard the idea
42:27that there should be an INI court.
42:29The basic thing is that
42:31there should be a panel
42:33and a tenure posting.
42:35Who will come?
42:37Is it more important that who doesn't come?
42:39This is the target.
42:45It turns out to be a grand alliance.
42:47Another PDM
42:49without PM LN, why not?
42:51But if
42:53the third number doesn't come,
42:55let's say,
42:57fourth number,
42:59will it be acceptable?
43:01To whom?
43:03To the legal community, fraternity?
43:05You are wearing a black coat.
43:07You have taken
43:0930% of my salary.
43:11So,
43:13I don't want to appear
43:15before this court.
43:17This is a business.
43:19Isn't it?
43:21Will you
43:23in the next
43:25six months,
43:27see a conflict
43:29whether the government
43:31is strengthened
43:33or weak?
43:35Economic
43:37megatrends are
43:39very positive.
43:41I have always heard
43:43that if we get 2-2.5 years,
43:45things will come in a set direction
43:47and Mr. Imran Khan
43:49will lose his strength
43:51and things will go towards
43:53economic prosperity.
43:55If these megatrends
43:57translate into other trends,
43:59that could be a positive also.
44:01Six months down the road,
44:03we will see.
44:33But quickly,
44:35six months,
44:3790 seconds,
44:39I want to ask you,
44:41is this how it works
44:43or are there any changes?
44:45No, there is a huge factor.
44:47What?
44:49X factor.
44:51What happens in Iran?
44:53Please, don't disregard that.
44:55God forbid,
44:57if there is a war,
44:59there will be no changes.
45:01If there is a war,
45:03there will be no changes.
45:05It will overshadow.
45:07War will always go towards
45:09the incumbent government
45:11because the status quo is bad.
45:13I have a little fear.
45:15If there is a war,
45:17there will be a loss
45:19in the economic prosperity.
45:21Friday and Saturday
45:23are the same.
45:25I have a fear.
45:27I hope I am wrong.
45:29Don't do nuclear.
45:31Do their oil.
45:33Will it be safe tomorrow?
45:35Tomorrow?
45:37Last question.
45:39God forbid,
45:41if there is a clash,
45:43it will benefit the PTI.
45:45I think Gali Amin wants to
45:47become next week as well.
45:49So there will be no bloodshed.
45:51I hope.
45:53There will be no bloodshed.
45:55I think PTI wants optics.
45:57The city will be shut down.
45:59Nothing will happen.
46:01But this salary will not work.
46:03We will decide in October.
46:05If the court
46:07changes the law,
46:09then the situation will be different.
46:11It will happen.
46:13Leave it.
46:15Don't worry.
46:17Let's end on this note.
46:19Tomorrow, God willing,
46:21nothing will happen.
46:23The explosions will be
46:25onwards.
46:27Let's hope that the
46:29democratic system is not in danger.
46:31We are used to it.
46:33Allah Hafiz.