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01:21This is Joëlle Tumbala-Cleopatre,
01:23otherwise known as La Catanguete de la Presse.
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01:42Ladies and gentlemen, dear viewers,
01:44do you feel very considered?
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01:50For today, I'm going to bring you someone you know.
01:53You are used to seeing him on our show.
01:56It's Mr. Ahmed Jibé Karé.
01:58He is also a journalist,
02:00a political analyst,
02:02and once again, today,
02:04he is a political analyst.
02:06Before I invite you to join me,
02:09I would like to greet my boss,
02:11Oto Silva,
02:13the owner of the Betajo Hotel.
02:15Betajo Hotel in Kinshasa,
02:17Betajo Hotel in Lubumbashi,
02:19Betajo Hotel in Kolozi.
02:21I would like to thank my boss,
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02:25Energy Monetaire of the Congolese Diaspora
02:27from Cape Town.
02:29I would like to thank my boss,
02:31my boss,
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02:35my boss,
02:37my boss,
02:39my boss,
02:41my boss,
02:43my boss,
02:45my boss,
02:47my boss,
02:49Mr. Ahmed.
02:51Hello, Joëlle La Cleopùtre.
02:53Hello to all your viewers
02:55and the Internet users who follow you everywhere.
02:57Thank you, Mr. Ahmed.
02:59It's been a while since we talked about politics.
03:01Today is an opportunity for me.
03:03How are you doing?
03:05In any case, we are doing well.
03:07God bless you.
03:09As long as we live, it's okay.
03:11It's okay.
03:13I hope you are up to speed
03:15with everything that is happening
03:17in our country.
03:19Yes, I am up to speed.
03:21Up to speed.
03:23People don't know that you were also a fighter.
03:25As a fighter,
03:27did the fight succeed
03:29or was it a failure?
03:31Well, Joëlle La Cleopùtre,
03:33first of all, thank you for the invitation.
03:35Thank you also to all the viewers
03:37who follow us at the moment.
03:39Thank you especially to all those
03:41who follow us from the Diaspora
03:43and then to all the
03:45Congolese politicians
03:47and politicians who follow us.
03:49The fight, I would say,
03:51in general,
03:53the fight had succeeded.
03:55Why did I say that the fight had succeeded?
03:57It's because when we fight,
03:59it's for a goal.
04:01And the main goal
04:03of the fight was
04:05to get rid of Joseph Kabila
04:07so that there is a real son of the country.
04:09I'm not saying that Joseph Kabila
04:11is not the son of the country,
04:13but it means that he is someone
04:15on whom we have no doubt.
04:17And with FĂ©lix, do you know what he said?
04:19If I may add, father and mother.
04:21Well,
04:23I don't really like
04:25to be called father and mother.
04:27Why? Because I agree
04:29that there is a son of the country,
04:31father and mother, at the head of the RDC.
04:33But I don't like to be called father and mother.
04:35Why? Because it would be as if
04:37we were disqualifying some people.
04:39Whereas for me, even in my shows,
04:41I always say that
04:43even if we can be Congolese,
04:45if the Congolese of 1% can exist,
04:47even if it's Congolese and 1%,
04:49it's still a Congolese.
04:51So I wanted to say,
04:53if we have to go back to our sheep,
04:55that the fight, its main goal
04:57was to have at the head of our country
04:59someone, a Congolese on whom
05:01we have no doubt.
05:03And with FĂ©lix, do you know what he said?
05:05His Excellency, Mr. FĂ©lix Antoine,
05:07do you know what he said?
05:09Where he is, I would say
05:11that we have no doubt that he is a son of the country.
05:13And the fact that we were able to
05:15make Joseph Kabila leave,
05:17for me, the fight was a success.
05:19So...
05:23It's true that I wasn't
05:25also that, it must also be noted,
05:27because a lot of people will believe that I was also...
05:29Excuse me, Mr. Ahmed, if I understand correctly,
05:31your fight was aimed at Joseph Kabila.
05:33It was to fight Joseph Kabila.
05:35That was the main objective.
05:37The main objective was to make
05:39the person of Joseph Kabila leave at all.
05:41And now that he is no longer there,
05:43so you are fighting for him?
05:45No, no, no, I will get there.
05:47That was the main objective,
05:49to make Joseph Kabila leave.
05:51Because we thought that Joseph Kabila
05:53was not a Congolese,
05:55he was a Rwandan compared to everything
05:57that Papandwanda and the others had revealed to us.
05:59So we said to ourselves,
06:01we don't want him at the head of our country.
06:03That was the main objective.
06:05We don't want him at the head of our country,
06:07someone on whom we have no doubt
06:09about his nationality.
06:11So someone who must really have
06:13Congolese nationality.
06:15And on that side, we succeeded.
06:17The second main objective,
06:19what was it?
06:21The second objective was first to get
06:23our country out of the occupation.
06:25And that's where I should go.
06:27That's where we haven't succeeded yet.
06:29So for me, if we could say
06:31that the fights must come back,
06:33I would like the fights to come back.
06:35Why? Because the main objective
06:37is to start a system.
06:39Because to make Joseph Kabila leave,
06:41yes, we succeeded.
06:43But did we totally succeed in the fight?
06:45I would say that we didn't succeed.
06:47Why? Because we can start a quest,
06:49whatever the person.
06:51But if the system, the system that
06:53ruled the country is still there,
06:55that means that the fights should
06:57normally continue.
06:59We haven't succeeded yet.
07:01You see, even in South Africa.
07:03Like what?
07:05Like what system, for example?
07:07The system that we are fighting.
07:09In fact, let me take this opportunity
07:11to greet our Minister of Justice,
07:13the 36-year-old, Mr. Konstantin Moutama.
07:15I greet him where he is.
07:17Why? Because when you hear him
07:19speak, you will understand that
07:21he has not only come to fight
07:23all the riots that are there,
07:25but he has come to fight
07:27a whole system.
07:29And this system,
07:31it was the system that has been there since.
07:33It was not even Joseph Kabila who brought this system.
07:35But Joseph Kabila had empired it.
07:37Why did I say that Joseph had empired it?
07:39Because Joseph Kabila came to
07:41whiten the Rwandan in the RDC.
07:43So for me, I said that
07:45this system of occupation,
07:47we have not yet won
07:49this system.
07:51Because we have not yet succeeded in
07:53being part of this system.
07:55But as long as this system will be there,
07:57to become president of the RDC,
07:59it means that we will always have problems.
08:01Thank you, Mr. Mehd.
08:03My second question.
08:05I hope you have followed
08:07Mrs. Denise D'Souchoua
08:09and Mr. Jakin Dalla.
08:11Jakin Dalla,
08:13the one who has a mission,
08:15and Bibi Kapinga.
08:17I think you have followed,
08:19because you are really the first
08:21to say on the web
08:23the words of Mrs. Denise D'Souchoua
08:25and Mr. Jakin Dalla.
08:27How did you find that?
08:29I would have preferred
08:31that the question be asked
08:33in this way,
08:35that I would react
08:37in relation to the case
08:39of Denise D'Souchoua
08:41and Mr. Jakin Dalla
08:43in relation to what happened to her.
08:45But I take the question
08:47in the way you asked it.
08:49I have had a lot of trouble
08:51and until now I still have a lot of trouble.
08:53I have had a lot of trouble
08:55and until now I still have a lot of trouble.
08:57I have been a fighter,
08:59but I was not the kind of fighter
09:01who made disorders,
09:03who hit people,
09:05who targeted people
09:07even in relation to their personal problems.
09:09For example,
09:11he heard that you went out
09:13with his wife
09:15and he takes the others
09:17and incites them in evil
09:19to come and attack you.
09:21I have always said
09:23that in the past,
09:25while these fights were still raging,
09:27we attacked Patrick Kimbuta,
09:29the son of the governor
09:31of the city of Kinshasa.
09:33For me, I said that fighting
09:35is something very noble.
09:37In fact, when we fight,
09:39it means that we are fighting
09:41for the well-being of our country.
09:43The sons of all
09:45politicians,
09:47have nothing to do with it.
09:49If a chef can't tell his father
09:51that he can't,
09:53it's because he knows that
09:55this is my father's job.
09:57If he doesn't win,
09:59everything his father can say,
10:01no one will come and tell his father
10:03that the money you bring home
10:05comes from politics,
10:07while we don't agree with this policy.
10:09Dad, please give up your job.
10:11No child will do it.
10:13And no child will ask his father
10:15where this money came from.
10:17It means that these children
10:19have nothing to do with politics
10:21or their father's job.
10:23Do you understand?
10:25And I also didn't agree
10:27that we fought
10:29as if we were exposing our musicians
10:31to say that they shouldn't
10:33do their job.
10:35Because in the fight,
10:37all of us,
10:39if we could count us together,
10:41we had our occupations.
10:43So how can we continue
10:45in our occupations?
10:47We will say, for example,
10:49to the musicians,
10:51and it was only the musicians
10:53that we said,
10:55you stop with your job,
10:57you don't do your job.
10:59So I didn't agree with all that.
11:01Because I had a lot to do,
11:03but I was always in silence.
11:05You understand a little.
11:07Because I had sent two open letters
11:09to Joseph Kabila.
11:11I had composed a song
11:13on the web,
11:15where I exposed the real problem of Congo.
11:17And the song is still there.
11:19If people type
11:21Omwabene on Facebook,
11:23you will see the song.
11:25It makes people cry,
11:27and even myself,
11:29if I am still here today,
11:31it makes me cry.
11:33So I had done a lot,
11:35I wrote letters,
11:37I even wrote to the international community
11:39and all that,
11:41because what I can do,
11:43maybe what you can't do,
11:45maybe what your cameraman can't do.
11:47In a fight,
11:49everyone has their role,
11:51and everyone has to respect
11:53the role of the other.
11:55To return to your question
11:57that you asked
11:59about the Jacquinda case
12:01and Denis Dussochoy,
12:03I will say this,
12:05it was very painful for me,
12:07and until now
12:09I continue to suffer.
12:11Why did I say that?
12:13Because I put myself in the place of Jacquinda.
12:15I see myself as Jacquinda,
12:17and I say to myself,
12:19as a father of families,
12:21secondly,
12:23a public figure in our country,
12:25a renown in our country,
12:27so I put myself in his place,
12:29I see how he suffered.
12:31And then I asked myself the question
12:33of knowing what he did
12:35to suffer like that for a long time,
12:37for 2021,
12:39and to spread it today.
12:41And I think I got the answer,
12:43because he himself said it
12:45in the video I was following
12:47about your mission,
12:49he said that he had suffered for a long time,
12:51but the fact that Denis made it
12:53come out on the web,
12:55he couldn't hide it,
12:57he could only come out publicly
12:59to say that it was a true story.
13:01How can you do the same
13:03to a father of families,
13:05for reasons that he finds
13:07valid for our country?
13:09So I think that
13:11it's not a good thing
13:13that he did,
13:15and I would have wished,
13:17I will take this opportunity
13:19to ask our Minister of Justice,
13:21I know he is a man of law,
13:23Mr. Consta Moutamba,
13:25Minister of Justice,
13:27I pray
13:29that you take up this case.
13:31You have to do something.
13:33Because for me,
13:35I tell myself this,
13:37we must not start
13:39to look at Congolese citizens
13:41with opposing labels,
13:43movements and all that we are,
13:45civil society.
13:47We must look at another Congolese
13:49as a Congolese, as I said earlier.
13:51That means 1% Congolese, if they exist,
13:5325, 50, 100%,
13:55even for those who say that they are
13:57even Congolese from the back,
13:59there are no 200% Congolese.
14:01When we are Congolese, we are Congolese.
14:03We must look at ourselves as Congolese
14:05and treat us all with justice.
14:07So if there is a certain injustice
14:09that is imposed on a Congolese citizen,
14:11there must be
14:13fair justice in our country.
14:15I don't know what Denise Dussochaux is,
14:17what position does she occupy
14:19in our government
14:21so that today
14:23she can say,
14:25oh no, you saw what I did to you,
14:27she even said that
14:29she was not even well paid.
14:31Who pays her to do all this?
14:33Who can pay a Congolese citizen
14:35to make another Congolese suffer
14:37because he defends
14:39those who do not share
14:41the same opinion as you?
14:43In any case, I do not agree
14:45and I will pray,
14:47I will seize our Minister of Justice,
14:49the justice of our country
14:51and I will also involve
14:53the heads of state
14:55to do something
14:57because this lady
14:59should be killed
15:01and we must stop her.
15:03And after?
15:05After, justice will be done.
15:07Justice must be done for
15:09Jacquinda, she is a Congolese politician,
15:11she is first of all a Congolese,
15:13father and mother,
15:15that is to say that she is a pure Congolese,
15:17we all know that she is a Congolese,
15:19she is a public figure,
15:21she is famous in our country,
15:23she is a journalist,
15:25in the true sense of the word,
15:27which means that justice must be done
15:29for Mr. Jacquinda,
15:31even if he may be from the opposition,
15:33as I said earlier,
15:35we must have a fair justice
15:37in our country.
15:39We must not have a two-point-two-measure
15:41justice.
15:43But Denise, she is from the opposition
15:45and she is a political party.
15:47She is a political party,
15:49but she is the one who made the video,
15:51she is the one who made the video,
15:53she continues to say that,
15:55I don't know why,
15:57because she is the one who made the video
15:59about Jacquinda Lezara,
16:01and she is the one who made the video.
16:03Who sent her?
16:05As a political party,
16:07what position does she occupy
16:09in this movement?
16:11And I would like to take this opportunity
16:13to say...
16:15You don't know that Mr. Jacquinda
16:17is exposing the Luba.
16:19When they say that Katanga
16:21is a tribalist movement,
16:23we have seen the stories
16:25of Katanga and Kasayan.
16:27When I was young,
16:29living in Katanga was terrible.
16:31What did Jacquinda say?
16:33When Jacquinda proposed
16:35that they create a tribalist movement,
16:37we supported the Luba
16:39in Katanga
16:41to attack the Kasayan.
16:43That's not good either.
16:45I didn't follow that.
16:47Jacquinda is a Kasayan in Katanga.
16:49That's where the Luba hurts.
16:51He is a Kasayan.
16:53Now he is doing this to please his boss.
16:55If you follow his video,
16:57let's say,
16:59the BBK Pinga show,
17:01where he reacted,
17:03he is no longer with
17:05MoĂŻse Katungi.
17:07But why is he doing this?
17:09Why did Azor Loba propose to Jacquinda?
17:11I don't agree.
17:13I don't agree with anyone
17:15who will incite the Congolese people
17:17to violence.
17:19I also said in your show here
17:21that I didn't even agree.
17:23For those who say that
17:25Seth Kikuni was innocent
17:27in relation to his arrest,
17:29I said no.
17:31Because the words of Seth Kikuni,
17:33I myself followed him closely.
17:35He incited a certain people
17:37to violence.
17:39And I would not agree
17:41with anyone,
17:43I would not agree with him.
17:45And I will also pray
17:47for the Congolese people
17:49not to agree with anyone
17:51who can incite
17:53even a small portion of Congolese
17:55to violence.
17:57We need peace.
17:59We have many enemies in our country.
18:01And these enemies,
18:03there are internal and external enemies.
18:05And if now we, who are Congolese,
18:07who are in the country,
18:09even in the Congolese diaspora,
18:11if we have Seth Kikuni inciting
18:13another people to violence,
18:15it means that we are making our problem worse.
18:17And this is not a good thing.
18:19Mr. Ahmed Djibekare, let's move on.
18:21Mr. Ahmed, I will quote you
18:23four people
18:25in politics
18:27who have been appreciated
18:29and disappreciated in Bangu.
18:31The President of the Republic,
18:33Pachi,
18:35Mr. Kamere,
18:37Moise Katoubi,
18:39and Fayoun.
18:41Okay.
18:43Okay,
18:45Joël,
18:47thank you for this question.
18:49Okay, you quoted four people.
18:51I don't know why you quoted four people.
18:53Yes, I quoted four people for today.
18:55Okay, okay.
18:57Okay, now we will finish this stage
18:59because he is the first citizen
19:01of the Democratic Republic of Congo
19:03and we call him the father of the nation.
19:05Okay.
19:07Okay,
19:09he is the father of the nation.
19:11He is the father of the nation.
19:13He is the father of the nation.
19:15He is the father of the nation.
19:17He is the father of the nation.
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20:59How is it possible that we,
21:01the Sengakis,
21:03in the international community,
21:05are sanctioned in Rwanda?
21:07But why is the RDC not sanctioned in Rwanda?
21:09But why is the RDC not sanctioned in Rwanda?
21:11Diplomatic cooperation
21:13is always in good terms.
21:15The embassy in Rwanda
21:17is always in RDC.
21:19The RDCP is always in Rwanda.
21:21How can we be in great conflict
21:23with a certain country,
21:25with a certain regime or power,
21:27without cooperating?
21:29It's like when you go to BND,
21:31it means that you are not cooperating.
21:33This is called cooperation.
21:35You are not cooperating.
21:37You are always cooperating in Rwanda,
21:39even though you are the first enemy in the world.
21:41So, I would also do
21:43what my father did
21:45when he was the father,
21:47the father of the nation.
21:49Father, please,
21:51make this decision.
21:53Diplomatic relations
21:55must be maintained
21:57in Rwanda.
21:59It must be maintained.
22:01It must be maintained as a border.
22:03Because if you want
22:05to win,
22:07you will lose.
22:09If you want to win,
22:11you will win.
22:13So, the question you have to ask
22:15before you make a decision
22:17is, in Rwanda,
22:19who benefits from whom?
22:21We all, Congolese,
22:23benefit from each other.
22:25So, we have to build a relationship.
22:27We really have to build it.
22:29My father's decision
22:31is a good decision
22:33in return.
22:35I don't agree with
22:37cooperation in Rwanda.
22:39Normally, the Democratic Republic of Congo
22:41has to break its diplomatic relations
22:43with Rwanda and Uganda
22:45for at least 15 years.
22:47So, if you want to win,
22:49you have to build a relationship
22:51with Rwanda and Uganda
22:53for at least 15 years.
22:55So, if you want to win,
22:57you have to build a relationship
22:59with Rwanda and Uganda
23:01for at least 15 years.
23:03So, if you want to win,
23:05you have to build a relationship
23:07with Rwanda and Uganda
23:09for at least 15 years.
23:11So, if you want to win,
23:13you have to build a relationship
23:15with Rwanda and Uganda
23:17for at least 15 years.
23:19So, if you want to win,
23:21you have to build a relationship
23:23with Rwanda and Uganda
23:25for at least 15 years.
23:27So, if you want to win,
23:29you have to build a relationship
23:31with Rwanda and Uganda
23:33for at least 15 years.
23:35So, if you want to win,
23:37you have to build a relationship
23:39with Rwanda and Uganda
23:41for at least 15 years.
23:43So, if you want to win,
23:45you have to build a relationship
23:47with Rwanda and Uganda
23:49for at least 15 years.
23:51Then, for now,
23:53I am going to say
23:55that Rwanda has a good decision
23:57on their own.
23:59Sixth,
24:01please!
24:03No media outlets.
24:05Because I feel that
24:07each time you have to have
24:09a media outlet,
24:11you are waiting along,
24:13The second person is Fayoulou. What I appreciate about Fayoulou is that there is not much that I appreciate about Mr. Fayoulou.
24:37Because he is constantly in politics. He changes sides all the time.
24:45He doesn't have a position.
24:48He doesn't have a position.
24:50He has a machine, a machine that steals. But when a machine steals, it's okay.
24:54There is an election, it's okay to vote in a machine that steals.
24:57He has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a
25:27position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position, he has a position
25:57I don't know how to say it, because on the tribal side, I say that the leaders of the state are not tribal, the leaders of the state are tribalist
26:10and on the other hand, we have to understand one thing, that the political party, in my opinion, has a tendency, that those who lead the state, are the ones who are the leaders of the state
26:19So, when we talk about those who are the leaders of the state, and those who are the leaders of the state, we have to understand that the majority of those who lead the state, are the ones who are the leaders of the state
26:34I don't know why, because I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribal
27:04I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with
27:34tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don
28:04agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism, I don't agree with tribalism,
28:34I don't agree with tribalism.
29:04So, if you are a coach, you know that you have to be a good coach.
29:08That means that if you are a coach, you have to be a good coach.
29:10And if you are a coach, you have to be a good coach.
29:12You have to be a good coach.
29:14You have to be a good coach.
29:16I don't like to say that I am a bad coach.
29:18Why? Because the good coach, the positive coach,
29:20is the one who is a good coach.
29:22So, in a way, they have a good sense of honor.
29:26They are not the ones who are opposed.
29:28But, when we have a bad coach,
29:30you know, we have to respect that.
29:32But, when we have a bad coach,
29:34you know, we have to respect that.
29:36How can we see a president of the National Assembly of a country?
29:38That means that he is the one
29:40who has the power to decide
29:42whether he wants to be a coach
29:44or not.
29:46That's true.
29:48We have to respect that,
29:50but not to that extent.
29:52But, maybe, when there is a party...
29:54When there is a party,
29:56for example,
29:58on TikTok,
30:00you have to know
30:02when there is a party.
30:04But, when there is a video,
30:06when there is a live video,
30:08a viral video,
30:10you have to know when there is a party.
30:12Because, you know,
30:14when there is a party,
30:16you have to know when there is an authority.
30:18But, I don't think that's a problem.
30:20Please, you asked me the question.
30:22Whenever there is a party,
30:24there are certain actions
30:26that politicians have to take.
30:28We have two sides.
30:30One side is for a leader.
30:32Secondly,
30:34it's for a politician.
30:36Thirdly, it's for a public figure.
30:38They have to act.
30:40Do what she does.
30:42Negative or positive?
30:44When I say, do what she does,
30:46I mean on the positive side.
30:48I see that
30:50it's a...
30:54A big deal?
30:56It's a...
30:58How can I say?
31:00It's a good authority.
31:02It's a true servant
31:04of the Democratic Republic of Congo.
31:06And we have to make it clear
31:08so that we can take advantage of the occasion.
31:10Thank you for the question, Anna.
31:12When you say,
31:14when there is a party,
31:16you have to know when there is a party.
31:18You have to know when there is a party.
31:20When there is a party,
31:22you have to know when there is a party.
31:24When the government
31:26is mad,
31:28you can't announce it
31:30until before the leaders of the state.
31:32When there is a party,
31:34you cannot tell the leaders to go
31:36before the realities they need to face.
31:38While speaking French,
31:40you have to appreciate
31:42their time,
31:44that they
31:47have to keep
31:49their promises.
31:51Those who haven't
31:53And if you...
31:57If you really know someone, if you know them, you will find them.
32:00That means you will find them by looking at their face,
32:03even if they are not in public,
32:05they will see that they are a good person,
32:07and they will know that they are not wrong.
32:09So, you will say to someone,
32:11if you find someone who is not wrong,
32:13how do you know that he is not wrong?
32:15But if you know that he is a good person,
32:17you will understand that he is not really wrong.
32:19So, we will stop here to say that we are here,
32:21we will stop here to say that we are here,
32:23we will stop here to say that we are here,
32:25we will stop here to say that we are here,
32:27we will stop here to say that we are here,
32:29we will stop here to say that we are here,
32:31we will stop here to say that we are here,
32:33we will stop here to say that we are here,
32:35we will stop here to say that we are here,
32:37we will stop here to say that we are here,
32:39we will stop here to say that we are here,
32:41we will stop here to say that we are here,
32:43we will stop here to say that we are here,
32:45we will stop here to say that we are here,
32:47we will stop here to say that we are here,
32:49we will stop here to say that we are here.
32:51Thank you very much, Mr. Emmett Dibé kare,
32:53we are at the end, but a big thank you for your time.
32:55Thank you for your invitation.
32:57Where are the two or three people
32:59who have the opportunity to say this?
33:01Ah!
33:03When I listen to
33:05the Congolese people,
33:07especially people from Pena Diaspora,
33:09I listen to my family
33:11who suffer
33:13in East Yanbok Anabiso,
33:15in Ituri,
33:17And I want to say to all of you,
33:21the people who are suffering because of this injustice.
33:27And I am very saddened by this injustice.
33:33And I would like to thank Yannick, Nia and Benza,
33:37the king of Rombox, the millionaires' trainers.
33:41Thank you, the king of Rombox, the millionaires' trainers,
33:45thank you, the king of Rombox, the millionaires' trainers.
33:50Thank you, the 13-year-old multi-terminator,
33:52thank you, my brother.
33:54I want to thank my old friend, Hervé Hébébé.
33:57When I see Hervé Hébébé, I already see Fabrice Hébébé,
34:00Dolar, BivorâŠ
34:02I want to thank His Excellency Dudu Lobo of Koloési,
34:07the Honorable Master Polydor N'yemoui,
34:10the King of Rombox,
34:11I would like to thank Rebecca Mukalingamu for inviting me to be a part of this interview.
34:18I would also like to thank the President of the Republic, Fatih Beton, and my friend Fideli Moussaou.
34:24I would also like to thank everyone who will have the opportunity to follow me.
34:28Patrick, the prosecutor, is a very good person.
34:31He is a very good media person.
34:33He is a very good cameraman.
34:35He is a very good media person.
34:37He is a very good cameraman.
34:39But he is good at expressing himself.
34:41He knows a lot of things,
34:43to be able to say,
34:44to be allowed to say in the media.
34:45to be allowed to say in the media.
34:46And...
34:47Well, but this is a political investigation.
34:49I am not always stuck in music.
34:52Well, I am always stuck in music.
34:53In the crack side.
34:54Yes.
34:55Why am I saying crack?
34:56I'm everywhere.
34:57I always said that I am involved in all areas.
34:59I receive all people.
35:00And here the politicians are everywhere from within the Congo to Africa News for example.
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