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00:00:00Good evening, everyone, and thank you for joining us for Season 4, Episode 10 of Doc
00:00:07Talks with Dr. Forrest Tennant and Friends.
00:00:10We have a special guest tonight and a lot to talk about, a lot to go over.
00:00:15Dr. Tennant, I'm going to go ahead and let you just get started.
00:00:18We know time is precious, and so is our time together.
00:00:21Thank you so much.
00:00:22Yes.
00:00:23Thank you, Jamie.
00:00:24To start off this evening, we're going to start with the bad news first, and then we're
00:00:30going to get to some real good news.
00:00:32But the bad news is that this week, I had two or three people inform me that they went
00:00:40to pain clinics to get some help.
00:00:42Now, these were, I think one was in the Northeast, one in the South Central, and they went there
00:00:52and they had adhesive arachnoiditis, and they went in and saw the nurse practitioner or
00:00:58the PA.
00:00:59I think that's who you see these days.
00:01:03And neither one of these professionals knew or never heard of adhesive arachnoiditis.
00:01:10Now, this is frightening.
00:01:13Now, it's frightening because how you could not know about adhesive arachnoiditis in this
00:01:21day and age as a professional astounds me.
00:01:26But to be working in a pain clinic and not know what this disease is, is dangerous.
00:01:31Now, let me get to the danger point here now.
00:01:35And I've got a feeling we've got a lot of people watching here tonight who have been
00:01:39victims of something.
00:01:41I want to tell you, let's cover, for those watching this, you know what adhesive arachnoiditis
00:01:46is in case you're new.
00:01:49You're not, but adhesive arachnoiditis is when the bottom of your spinal cord, called
00:01:53the cauda equina, there are nerves that hang down, become glued by adhesions and inflammation
00:02:00to the wall of the canal.
00:02:03Now, when that happens, that is a dangerous, dangerous disease.
00:02:08It only happens in, it's very unusual.
00:02:12Some people call it rare.
00:02:14But the point is, that is such a dangerous thing because it's a mass.
00:02:22If you go to a chiropractor and that chiropractor doesn't know what that is and pulls too hard,
00:02:27he'll pull the mass apart.
00:02:29But what's bad about this is that these pain clinics don't know that when you have that
00:02:35mass in the spinal canal, you've got no business getting an epidural.
00:02:40You've got no business getting a blood patch.
00:02:43You better not go to a surgeon unless that surgeon absolutely knows what that is.
00:02:49But all these people who went to the pain clinic, the first thing they recommend is
00:02:52an epidural, some other kind of a shot, some kind of a blood patch, some invasive procedure
00:03:00which is absolutely contraindicated.
00:03:03I mean, the idea that you might have adhesive arachnoiditis and somebody's going to put
00:03:09a blood patch in there, inject blood into the spinal canal, try to do a spinal tap even
00:03:14unless it was a life-saving emergency?
00:03:17You've got to be kidding.
00:03:19That's why we've got people walking around out here in wheelchairs, bed-bound, debilitated,
00:03:25because somebody didn't know what that disease was and decided to manipulate the spine.
00:03:30Now, I'm here to call on everybody who's watching this.
00:03:35We're kind of a family here on this program, but I'd like to call on everybody who's watching
00:03:41this to be a self-appointed educator.
00:03:45When you go to your doctors, I don't care whether it's a cardiologist or a pediatrician
00:03:49or a proctologist, I don't care, would you tell them what adhesive arachnoiditis is?
00:03:54I mean, I can't believe that we have pain clinics in this country with professionals
00:04:01who are licensed, not know what that disease is.
00:04:05There's no excuse, okay?
00:04:07Because and if you've got adhesive arachnoiditis, you've got no business taking an epidural.
00:04:12If they're going to put a pump in you to pump morphine into you, look out.
00:04:17You're headed downhill because you're sticking a device right next to that mass, so you don't
00:04:23want that until you really are in trouble, okay?
00:04:26End of the road.
00:04:28If you think you're going to die pretty quick, you may want to try the pump.
00:04:30I hate to put it that way, but that's the way it is, okay?
00:04:34So that's my sad story for the week.
00:04:39I don't know what we do about this ignorance, this dangerous ignorance, but nevertheless,
00:04:45it is out there.
00:04:46Now, let me switch to some good news.
00:04:49I know that a lot of you have heard me talking about the Epstein-Barr virus, and I have been
00:04:54studying this intently for a long, long time.
00:04:58When I first got into pain treatment clear back in the 70s, do you know who my first
00:05:02patients were?
00:05:03They were post-polio patients, and I kept saying, you know, this polio, they're supposed
00:05:08to be over, but they've still got pain in their legs or their arms or their chest.
00:05:12There's something wrong here.
00:05:13That virus hasn't quite gone away.
00:05:15Well, I don't know whether it was still polio or whether they had Epstein-Barr virus.
00:05:19I don't really know because in those days, we didn't have any testing.
00:05:24We didn't understand viruses.
00:05:25We didn't know much, but they sure had pain, and they sure looked to me like they had something
00:05:30alive still in them called polio.
00:05:32But anyway, I could go on and talk 50 years to litany, but I'm going to stop right here
00:05:38and tell you the good news is that tomorrow, my studies and my book goes online.
00:05:46On Amazon, in the next couple of days, you'll be able to buy this book, okay?
00:05:51Now, it's going to be cheap because I don't care about the money.
00:05:54It's just going to be cheap, and it's 15 bucks or so, but it's going to be, it's called The
00:06:00Epstein-Barr Virus, A New Factor in the Care of Chronic Pain.
00:06:06Now, why is this good news?
00:06:10It sounds kind of awful, like we're just bringing another virus or another malady or another
00:06:16complication in, but that's not what this is all about.
00:06:20We now know that the Epstein-Barr virus is why most of you watching this deteriorate.
00:06:27We now know that that causes autoantibodies, even in such diseases as rheumatoid arthritis
00:06:32and systemic lupus, and it sure as heck does in people who have EDS and these other risk factors.
00:06:39In other words, for those of you who have deteriorated, gone from ambulatory to bed-bound,
00:06:44it's probably Epstein-Barr autoantibodies, okay?
00:06:48Now we, now the understanding, and all I've done is taken a lot of brilliant research
00:06:54over the last 30, 40 years, figured it out.
00:06:57I've been doing studies of my own for quite some time, about 20 years in fact, and studying
00:07:03these different viruses, and this is the Epstein-Barr virus, the lead virus, okay?
00:07:09Now there's some other viruses out there that contributed to it, such as Cytomegalus and
00:07:14the herpes 1 and 2, rubella, COVID, and what have you, but Epstein-Barr is the big one.
00:07:21But here's the good news, we can control this virus pretty easy, and a lot of you do it
00:07:27and don't even know you're doing it, but the bottom line is, we can improve the care
00:07:32of pain patients, we can reduce pain in almost everybody, anywhere from 10 to 50% if they
00:07:39just know how to work with the Epstein-Barr virus.
00:07:43So what am I getting at?
00:07:45I'm going to talk about who should be tested.
00:07:48One of the things that's come out of that and in the book are the three tests that your
00:07:52doctors need to order to understand whether you have Epstein-Barr reactivation and autoimmunity.
00:08:00Okay, now, you just heard me say something.
00:08:04It really should be called a disease, Epstein-Barr virus reactivation and autoimmunity.
00:08:12Now this is considered a rare situation in textbooks, however, in the patients we've
00:08:20been testing, I don't believe you can develop adhesive arachnoiditis unless you have Epstein-Barr
00:08:30reactivation and autoimmunity.
00:08:32Let me repeat that.
00:08:34I'm not sure you can develop adhesive arachnoiditis unless you have either Epstein-Barr reactivation
00:08:43or autoimmunity, perhaps another virus, but you have to have something that stimulates
00:08:49inflammation inside the spinal canal.
00:08:54You have to have something that degenerates your discs.
00:08:57You got to have something that provides glue to glue your caudal equina to the wall of
00:09:03the spinal canal.
00:09:05So what we're getting at is we now know anatomically what is the degeneration of the generator.
00:09:13But just remember one thing, when you leave here today, leave here with this message.
00:09:19Something has to cause the inflammation to make your discs degenerate, to give you a
00:09:25Tarlov cyst, to give you a leaky spinal canal.
00:09:32You've got to have something that generates inflammation inside the caudal equina and
00:09:38the arachnoid lining.
00:09:41And we've known that you had to have a generator for a long time.
00:09:45We didn't know what it was, but there has been some, I won't go into details, but it
00:09:49is in the book, a little summary of how different research has figured this out, and all I've
00:09:55done is add to it with my own studies.
00:09:58So again, for the next sessions, you're going to hear about the Epstein-Barr virus.
00:10:05Why?
00:10:06This might shock you.
00:10:08The last major breakthrough in pain treatment scientifically was about 10, 15 years ago,
00:10:15when some real bright researchers, particularly a woman by the name of Dr. Linda Watkins from
00:10:22the University of Colorado, and you had a real brain scanner by the name of Abkarian
00:10:29from the University of Chicago, they determined that glial cells activated and caused inflammation
00:10:36in the brain.
00:10:38What they didn't know was why did the glial cells activate?
00:10:42They didn't know, but the next big breakthrough, I will tell you right now, in my opinion,
00:10:50the next big breakthrough of this century is the knowledge that the Epstein-Barr virus
00:10:56can reactivate in adults and cause an autoimmune disease.
00:11:03That's our big breakthrough.
00:11:04Now, most people are going to say, oh, Epstein-Barr, oh, we know about that, that's just a kissing
00:11:09disease that causes infectious monos, been around for a long time, we're not going to
00:11:14worry about it.
00:11:15And that's exactly what your doctors are going to tell you.
00:11:16Oh, we're not going to worry about Epstein-Barr.
00:11:18Who ever heard of that causing anything?
00:11:20Guess what?
00:11:21Go take the test, and you'll find out a real shock if you have some of these painful diseases,
00:11:29okay?
00:11:30As a matter of fact, let me just tell you one thing.
00:11:33Most people who develop Epstein-Barr reactivation and autoimmunity, the first thing they start
00:11:40with is fibromyalgia, okay?
00:11:44Or maybe a migraine headache or a carpal tunnel or something like that, okay?
00:11:49That's where they start.
00:11:50Okay.
00:11:51A couple of other things about the Epstein-Barr, because I want to get everybody somewhat educated
00:11:55each time.
00:11:56I'm not going to take the whole session.
00:11:59Let me again talk about what we mean by reactivation.
00:12:03That's a term that is new.
00:12:05It's going to be new to your doctors.
00:12:07It's going to be new to your psychologist, your chiropractor, your minister, everybody
00:12:12you come in contact.
00:12:13Everybody is going to know what that term means, okay?
00:12:17Now, reactivation means that you acquired the Epstein-Barr virus probably before you
00:12:24were two years of age.
00:12:26Now, some acquire it when they're teenagers or young adults when they get infectious mono.
00:12:32And incidentally, if you've had infectious mononucleosis, your risks of developing RSD,
00:12:39fibromyalgia, Tarlov's cyst, adhesive arachnoiditis, intractable pain go up immensely.
00:12:46So right now, if you've got pain somewhere and you've ever had infectious mono, you better
00:12:50have these tests.
00:12:51You can get them, okay?
00:12:54So what does reactivation mean?
00:12:57When you get this virus, you get the sniffles usually as a baby.
00:13:03But the virus goes into your lymphocytes and it goes into your throat membranes and
00:13:10it stays there as a normal parasite.
00:13:13Now, 95% of adults have had exposure and will test positive that they've come in contact
00:13:20with infectious mono.
00:13:21Okay, I do, you do, everybody does.
00:13:25However, if your immune system has ever taken a hit, ever taken a hit, then that virus is
00:13:36just waiting there to reactivate.
00:13:40Now what do I mean by your immune system taking a hit?
00:13:44Listen carefully.
00:13:46If you were born with EDS or Marfan's, you've already taken a hit.
00:13:54If you were born with scoliosis or spondylolisthesis, you've got a spinal column abnormality, you've
00:14:02just taken a hit.
00:14:04If you've ever had a bad accident, and that's why a normal person can have a bad auto accident,
00:14:11fall off a roof, get tackled too hard in football, perhaps a domestic violent episodes, military
00:14:18combat, and you may have had that accident, and guess what, you've taken a hit, but you
00:14:25didn't know that you activated the virus, but you didn't know that, maybe for 20 years.
00:14:32Also, psychologically, if you've had a real traumatic thing in your life, maybe a divorce,
00:14:39maybe a financial, maybe a child died, something that's really, really tough, I'm talking about,
00:14:46you know, something really terrible.
00:14:48We're not talking about our usual ups and downs in life.
00:14:51We're talking about a serious psychological event that wears you out, PTSD, for example,
00:14:58something really serious, that's bad, trauma, psychological problems.
00:15:04Also, let's say that you've had a situation in your life where somehow or another you
00:15:08were deprived of sleep, you couldn't eat right for a while, that's bad too.
00:15:14In other words, you activated the virus.
00:15:17Now, let me go on and give you the thing that we've discovered, which is sad.
00:15:25Reactivated Epstein-Barr virus is like diabetes.
00:15:29You don't know you have it until something bad happens.
00:15:34In diabetes, all of a sudden, you may have had a heart attack, or your kidney fails,
00:15:39or you've got a leg ulcer, and you didn't even know you had diabetes, unless you took
00:15:44a blood test.
00:15:46That would tell you.
00:15:47With Epstein-Barr, the reactivation can go on for years, and it's asymptomatic.
00:15:53You don't know you have it until one day you wake up with a cancer, or you wake up
00:15:58with a pain problem.
00:16:00Got that?
00:16:01You go on for a long time, maybe years.
00:16:04You don't know you have it.
00:16:06But you wake up with one of the cancers.
00:16:08Epstein-Barr virus is now known to cause 2% to 5% of cancers, a lot of them rare, okay?
00:16:13So I talked to a couple of patients this week who've developed cancer due to Epstein-Barr.
00:16:18Or you start a painful condition, okay?
00:16:21And that painful condition might be fibromyalgia to start with, and maybe two or three slipped
00:16:25discs, and maybe it's your spinal cover starts leaking.
00:16:30You don't even know you have this.
00:16:32Now, what happens during reactivation?
00:16:34Now, here's the other thing that I want you to know, and I want you to educate anybody
00:16:37you can about this.
00:16:39When the virus reactivates, it does two things we know of.
00:16:45First off, it invades your tissues, okay?
00:16:48The virus starts growing.
00:16:50So all of a sudden, your lymphocytes are carried through the blood to your glial cells in the
00:16:55brain, your caudal equina, your discs, maybe your muscles in your chest, maybe your corporal
00:17:01tunnel.
00:17:02In other words, the virus can get carried in and can invade your tissues.
00:17:07But the second thing it does, and here's what's hard for people to understand.
00:17:12It creates what we call autoantibodies.
00:17:17Now, we've known for years that we can control things like rheumatoid arthritis or like lupus,
00:17:24Sjogren's syndrome, a lot of these autoimmune diseases, but we couldn't cure them.
00:17:31And that's because the autoantibodies don't go away.
00:17:35And that's why if you don't control those autoantibodies, those of you who are still
00:17:40walking, might end up in bed.
00:17:42Those of you who are in bed are going to die a lot sooner than you should because those
00:17:46autoantibodies eat away tissue.
00:17:49They just keep eating away at it, causing your pain to get worse.
00:17:53You don't get better.
00:17:54You wonder why.
00:17:55You're taking your medicine.
00:17:56You've got a pump in.
00:17:57You go to the chiropractor.
00:17:58You do everything you're supposed to, but you keep getting worse.
00:18:01Why?
00:18:03Unless you know to control the autoantibodies and how to control them, you just slowly deteriorate.
00:18:10That's the bad news.
00:18:12Now, let's give you the good news, though.
00:18:14The Epstein-Barr virus can be controlled quite well, and even the autoantibodies can be controlled
00:18:21reasonably well.
00:18:23Okay?
00:18:24The inability to cure a lot of our pain problems, those autoantibodies.
00:18:30Now, though, that's the biologic mechanism that's been haunting all of us for years.
00:18:35We just didn't know.
00:18:37We do know now, though.
00:18:38Okay.
00:18:39Now, the first thing you want to know about the Epstein-Barr virus is that there are three
00:18:44measures to try to control the virus.
00:18:48We're going to teach you the main one here right now.
00:18:50It's real simple.
00:18:51A lot of you are doing it and didn't know you were doing it.
00:18:53Okay?
00:18:54Now, it turns out that the virus inside the lymphocyte can be sort of stopped from growing.
00:19:05Okay?
00:19:06And there are several researchers who are under laboratory conditions have determined
00:19:12a number of simple supplements that keep the virus from replicating, from reactivating.
00:19:21So you can stop the reactivation.
00:19:24The problem is the autoantibodies that are still out there or the tissues that's been invaded.
00:19:29Anyway, I'm going to show you.
00:19:30Now, there's references for this.
00:19:32They're in the textbook.
00:19:34Therefore, if anybody asks you about this, you can go right to the scientific references.
00:19:38It tells you which laboratories, the scientists who did it.
00:19:42But there's about seven or eight simple things in which doctors have been using them for
00:19:49years, and we didn't know why.
00:19:50It just seemed to work.
00:19:51Okay?
00:19:52Now, we're going to show you right here.
00:19:54Now, here is a list of the supplements that have been shown in laboratories to stop the
00:20:03virus from reactivating.
00:20:06Okay?
00:20:07And I'm going to read them to you.
00:20:09Planol vitamin C. Okay?
00:20:12Planol vitamin C. Planol vitamin D.
00:20:16Resveratrol, luteolin, astragalus, selenium, turmeric is supposed to be on there, zinc,
00:20:27lysine, selenium.
00:20:29Okay?
00:20:30Simple stuff.
00:20:32They're in the book.
00:20:34And what I recommend is, first off, you know, I'll tell you my favorite reactivator stopping,
00:20:41and that's Planol vitamin C.
00:20:43I mean, I personally recommend that people who have, who test positive for Epstein-Barr
00:20:48take 2,000 milligrams of vitamin C in the morning, 2,000 at night.
00:20:53And I like, selenium is one of my favorites.
00:20:56A lot of doctors like zinc better.
00:20:57Lysine's been an old-time favorite.
00:20:59Resveratrol is dynamite.
00:21:02Okay?
00:21:03Anyway, these are things that stop the virus from reactivating.
00:21:08I think you ought to be taking two or three of these.
00:21:10You don't have to take them every day.
00:21:11They're cheap.
00:21:12Now, if you stop the reactivation, pretty soon the virus that's in your tissues will
00:21:19die off.
00:21:20Okay?
00:21:21And as long as you're not making any more, you're going to get better.
00:21:25Okay?
00:21:26That's why a lot of people start, all of a sudden, they start taking vitamin D, they
00:21:30start getting better.
00:21:31They start taking resveratrol, they're getting better, and they don't know why.
00:21:35Why?
00:21:36Because they're stopping the virus from filling you up more.
00:21:40Okay?
00:21:41Now, a couple of other things that you should know about the Epstein-Barr virus.
00:21:47One of the things we've been talking about on this program for a long time are peptides.
00:21:52When you take those peptides, and my favorite peptide for this virus is thymosine, but I
00:22:01also like BPC-157, KPV, AR290, collagen supplements, colostrum, all the things we've been talking
00:22:12about, build tissue.
00:22:15When you build tissue, you drive out Epstein-Barr.
00:22:18Okay?
00:22:19Remember that.
00:22:20Build tissue, drive out the virus.
00:22:24All right?
00:22:25So, if you have a pretty good program of taking some of these, you're taking some peptides
00:22:31and some colostrum or DHEA, some of the things that build tissue, you're on a pretty good
00:22:35program to start with.
00:22:37Okay?
00:22:38Now, let me now cover the last thing I want to cover, and we're going to cover this more
00:22:42next week.
00:22:44You have to know, and your doctors are going to have to know, which three tests you have
00:22:51to take.
00:22:52Okay?
00:22:53Now, if your doctor tests for Epstein-Barr, nine times out of ten, he'll order the test
00:23:00for infectious mononucleosis.
00:23:02You don't need that.
00:23:04What you need are three tests.
00:23:06Three tests have been developed to determine if you have active reactivation or had reactivation
00:23:13in the past, and if you have current reactivation, you're going to have to go with antivirals,
00:23:19in my opinion.
00:23:21Okay?
00:23:22So, now, in our studies of people who have gone all the way through pain and one thing
00:23:31or another down to adhesive arachnoiditis, 70% have active reactivation.
00:23:37Not everybody.
00:23:39Now, those who do are going to need to take, in my opinion, corticosteroids and antivirals.
00:23:45Okay?
00:23:46So, you need the test to find out, do you have current reactivation, or do you just
00:23:51have the autoimmunity?
00:23:53Now, they're both bad, but you can control the autoimmunity fairly well, too.
00:23:59Okay?
00:24:00With things we've talked about.
00:24:01Now, next week, I'll talk about, more specifically, the tests you've got to order, and you need
00:24:06to carry those three to your doctor, because your doctor's not going to know.
00:24:10If the doctor looks up tests for Epstein-Barr, guess what?
00:24:14Laboratories like Quest, LabCorp, and what have you, have got about eight different tests.
00:24:21Okay?
00:24:22So, which one do you order?
00:24:23There are three that you need, for our purposes.
00:24:26Now, those other tests are needed for certain things, like transplant patients and pneumonia
00:24:32and hepatitis and some things, but that's not what we're after in pain.
00:24:36We're after knowing whether you've got reactivation and autoimmunity, and whether your pain's
00:24:42going to get better or worse.
00:24:44Anyway, I want to wrap this up.
00:24:46It sounds kind of awful in a way, but it's really pretty simple.
00:24:50It's new, but I can tell you that if you get on a program, people should be able to, number
00:24:56one, stop a lot of their deterioration.
00:25:00Okay?
00:25:01Stop the deterioration.
00:25:03Remember, that's number one.
00:25:05Number two, don't let the pain get worse.
00:25:08Okay?
00:25:09Bad enough as it is, let's not get worse.
00:25:12If you don't control Epstein-Barr virus, your pain is going to get worse.
00:25:15I don't care how much opioids you take or who you're going or whether you've got a pump
00:25:19in or not.
00:25:20You're going to get worse if you don't control that virus.
00:25:23Okay?
00:25:24So, you can do yourself a lot of favors real quick and real cheap with that.
00:25:31So, I want you to know that it sounds awful, but it's really quite good news.
00:25:36It's new.
00:25:37You've got to think about it for a little bit.
00:25:40We're going to try to keep the books nice and cheap as we can, and they'll be on Kindle
00:25:45and what have you, and I do recommend that you get it.
00:25:49Now, let me close off one quick thing.
00:25:52Who should get tested?
00:25:54If you have chronic pain defined as you've had a pain over 90 days and you've got to
00:26:03take daily medication to control it, you better have the Epstein-Barr test.
00:26:08Okay?
00:26:09You better be tested for reactivation and autoimmunity.
00:26:13Okay.
00:26:14That's the educational part of this program today.
00:26:17You'll hear more about it because it is, I consider it, frankly, one of the, maybe the
00:26:24biggest breakthrough in my career of doing this work for 50 years.
00:26:29I like to say it's different, but it is good news because it's simple.
00:26:35We can deal with it.
00:26:36We can help people real quick.
00:26:38I have some more good news.
00:26:40Good.
00:26:42All of us doctors have had cases that have puzzled us throughout our careers.
00:26:47This has been a 50-year puzzle for you, and thank you for sharing it with us.
00:26:53The good news I have for you is if your doctor has called you crazy or if your doctor has
00:26:57blamed you for your illness or no one can solve it, you've got Epstein-Barr virus.
00:27:04That's right.
00:27:05And you needn't tolerate any bullshit about how you're nuts and you don't have this and
00:27:10you don't have to put up with gaslighting anymore.
00:27:12The mystery is not yet over, but we have a place to start.
00:27:18You can start at go.
00:27:20Roll the dice, get around the board, stay out of jail, get to free parking, and maybe
00:27:25make some progress in your illness.
00:27:28So we've got a place to start.
00:27:30Thanks so much.
00:27:31And that is great news for those of us who are floundering.
00:27:35Thank you, Dr. Tennant.
00:27:38Well, you said last time something that, and do you know, until I got into this, I did
00:27:42not know that Hodgkin's disease was...
00:27:45No, me neither.
00:27:46Okay.
00:27:47Yeah.
00:27:48I remember doing chemotherapy.
00:27:50I used to do a lot of cancer.
00:27:51In fact, I got into the pain field by doing pain work in cancer patients.
00:27:55No one person ever said anything about it.
00:27:59And guess what?
00:28:00It was right there in the literature, right there.
00:28:02Now, most of it was British, but it was right there.
00:28:06And I feel kind of ignorant.
00:28:09In fact, I feel kind of sad because we could have helped a lot of people then.
00:28:12So I don't know if there was any cover up.
00:28:15I don't know whether it just fell through the cracks.
00:28:17Unbelievable.
00:28:18Or whether that's the nature of science.
00:28:20I don't know.
00:28:21All I know is we got a grasp now.
00:28:24Okay.
00:28:25We got us a tool.
00:28:26That's right.
00:28:27Dr. Tennant, thank you for that.
00:28:28If you don't mind, we've had a couple who have asked about the three tests.
00:28:32I don't know the answer.
00:28:33I know one is the early EBV.
00:28:36Would you mind naming those three tests for us, please?
00:28:39Not at all.
00:28:42And incidentally, whoever named them ought to be shot.
00:28:49Actually, a wonderful couple by the name of Henley named these tests.
00:28:54And what they are, they're two antibody tests.
00:28:57And in fact, it's kind of fun to learn about this.
00:28:59It all makes sense.
00:29:01One antibody is called the viral capsule antibody, abbreviated VCA.
00:29:10Okay.
00:29:11VCA, viral capsid antigen antibody, VCA.
00:29:16Now, that one will tell you whether you've had reactivation.
00:29:20It won't tell you how many times, because incidentally,
00:29:22you can reactivate these things just like you do a herpes.
00:29:25Okay.
00:29:26Now, the second antibody is called the nuclear antigen antibody.
00:29:33Okay.
00:29:34N-A, and it's abbreviated E-B-N-A, Epstein-Barr nuclear antigen antibody.
00:29:40Okay.
00:29:41Now, if that one is high, that means you're carrying a lot of autoantibodies.
00:29:46Okay.
00:29:47So, that's the autoantibodies.
00:29:50Now, the one that every pain patient needs, the key one,
00:29:55the most important one is what they call the early nuclear antigen.
00:30:01Okay.
00:30:02Now, on your lab slips, for your labs, if you just use the word early,
00:30:07you're probably going to get the right one.
00:30:09And next week, I'll try to have a little more on about it.
00:30:11In fact, I want to teach a lot of you here how to interpret it.
00:30:15I mean, they're not hard, but it's like learning to drive.
00:30:18If somebody doesn't show you, it's pretty tough.
00:30:21But anybody can learn to interpret these things.
00:30:24It is going to take a little doing, but this is the kind of thing that, you know,
00:30:30all of us have had to learn how to interpret a cholesterol test
00:30:33or a glucose test or a white blood count test,
00:30:38but it's far less complex than a white blood cell count.
00:30:42Okay.
00:30:43A blood count.
00:30:44So, it's not hard.
00:30:45It is new, but it's not hard to interpret it,
00:30:49and there's not a soul watching this show that can't learn how to do this
00:30:53and to do their own interpretations.
00:30:56Okay.
00:30:57But the early one is the one that you want to be negative.
00:31:01Okay.
00:31:03If you get that one from positive to negative,
00:31:06the others always stay high because they're antibodies,
00:31:09but you want to try and get that one to negative and what have you.
00:31:14And incidentally, one little sidebar,
00:31:16a lot of doctors I've talked to are kind of happy about this
00:31:19because they feel hopeless a lot of times.
00:31:21This way they know they can give you some Valtrex twice a day,
00:31:26famciclovir 500 milligrams twice a day.
00:31:30It's real simple.
00:31:31I had one patient this week who takes Valtrex twice a day when she has
00:31:35flares.
00:31:36She keeps them around, takes it when she has flares and it works.
00:31:39Okay.
00:31:40So, okay.
00:31:41Jamie, we have an important guest, I think.
00:31:45Yes, we do.
00:31:46Welcome Dr.
00:31:47Parker, everyone.
00:31:48Please.
00:31:49Welcome to DocTalks.
00:31:50Thanks for being here.
00:31:51Thank you very much.
00:31:52I appreciate it.
00:31:53Yeah.
00:31:54Dr.
00:31:55Parker.
00:31:56First off.
00:31:57Pardon.
00:31:59Nice to meet you.
00:32:00I will say this.
00:32:03You're here by popular demand.
00:32:04A lot of people know about your situation.
00:32:08And they've lobbied me.
00:32:10And Mark to get you on the show.
00:32:12and they've lobbied me and Mark to get you on the show and the
00:32:24Let you say right out front that I
00:32:27I'm so
00:32:29Regretful, you're here under the circumstances that you're here. I've got a lot of things. I'd like to ask you but
00:32:37I'd like to open it up really to you
00:32:41For you to tell us
00:32:44You know
00:32:45Not only I know a little bit about your background
00:32:47But I want you to feel free to tell us in your words who you are
00:32:52What's happened to you?
00:32:53Because I I'm a little astounded on what people have told me about you. And so I want to hear it from the horse's mouth
00:33:00Okay
00:33:02So take it away
00:33:06How you got here and what's happened to you
00:33:10Yes, sir. Well, I was born in Kansas, but I grew up in rural Arkansas
00:33:14My biological father had had a car wreck and my mother married a very kind farmer from a rural Arkansas
00:33:20so we moved there when I was about two or three so I
00:33:25Arkansas is what I've known and grew up in I when I graduated from high school
00:33:29I wanted to go to college but being from a farm family with about ten kids
00:33:33I knew I had to find a way to do that and I joined the United States Marine Corps and
00:33:38While serving on active duty with the first Marine Amphibious Brigade I was able to finish a degree in computer science
00:33:44that allowed me to apply to the Air Force and
00:33:48Air Force the Air Force had doctors Marines don't have doctors the Navy does but by then I had a family and didn't want to
00:33:54Be out on a ship. So I applied to the Air Force
00:33:57I served in the Hawaii State Sheriff's Department the Civil Division while I waited for the Air Force to have a slot and
00:34:02then I trained at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio and
00:34:07Also at for my officers training and
00:34:12Became an Air Force officer and an ICBM commander while I got my prerequisites for medical school done because that's really what I wanted
00:34:19It was medical school
00:34:21after three years of active service with the 12th Strategic Missile Squadron in Montana
00:34:26I was accepted into the Mayo Clinic and I graduated with honors in 97 and
00:34:32Went into emergency medicine and I also worked in
00:34:37emergency medicine or studied emergency medicine that
00:34:42Wilford Hall Medical Center in San Antonio at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio at
00:34:49Scott Air Force Base in East St. Louis
00:34:51That was an interesting place to do emergency medicine
00:34:54And then I did a surgical rotation at Keesler Air Force Base in Mississippi when it when it still existed
00:35:01For the hurricane took it out and I had
00:35:05You know, every life has ups and downs mine probably a little more than most
00:35:10but I
00:35:13Became the director of emergency medicine and trauma to hospitals I
00:35:18had
00:35:20Started doing primary care clinics probably about
00:35:242006 I believe and
00:35:26Started working with a board-certified pain specialist so I could understand that condition more
00:35:32It's necessary the state of Arkansas expects all primary care doctors to treat chronic pain in their patients
00:35:38It's mandated by law actually. And so that was something that I did and
00:35:43I like I said, I
00:35:45Spent a decade with a board-certified pain specialist to make sure that I knew what I was doing
00:35:52I traveled to Harvard and took courses called pain management for the primary care physician and
00:36:01Started running a comprehensive primary care clinic with an elderly doctor. Dr. Donald Duncan. He was in his 80s. He was
00:36:08wonderfully brilliant and extremely knowledgeable and he and I took care of everything that came in between his surgical and
00:36:16emergency skills and my emergency skills and
00:36:19Primary care skills. There really wasn't anything that we couldn't handle and
00:36:24We had oncologists sending us patients pain specialists and we would do the primary care management
00:36:30after the specialist had set up treatment and
00:36:32That seemed reasonable to us and we we you know
00:36:36of course, I started medical school in 93 when the pendulum started swinging toward actually treating pain and
00:36:42Then the pendulum started swinging back about 2010. We adjusted
00:36:482016 came out and the CDC guidelines we adjusted so we really were not worried about
00:36:56anyone targeting targeting us, but our
00:36:59clinic did end up targeted and shut down a
00:37:02patient of mine
00:37:04Was pulled over for a traffic infraction
00:37:07thrown in jail because he had one trazodone out of its bottle and
00:37:12They withheld all his medications including benzodiazepines. He begged for them. They refused
00:37:18He actually pounded on the cell walls. They still refused. It's all on video and
00:37:23Then he starts seizing at about 5 30 p.m. After about six hours of incarceration
00:37:29They did they saw that he was unresponsive and wouldn't wake up. They didn't call for help. They waited an hour
00:37:35He was still unresponsive an hour later when the new crew came on they called for help
00:37:40By then it was probably too late. But when the EMTs alive, he still had arrived
00:37:45He still had a heartbeat, but they gave him Narcan saying he died of an overdose
00:37:49That he was dying from an overdose. Of course the Narcan did nothing
00:37:53He had taken his pain medicines
00:37:5420 hours before the night before his travels because he was traveling up to see a spine specialist that I had sent him for and
00:38:02So they didn't tell him he that they had withheld tell the EMTs
00:38:05They had withheld his benzodiazepines and the seizures caused him to have heart failure and he died on arrival to the emergency room
00:38:13so rather than
00:38:15Prosecute the jailers for depriving him of his constitutional rights. I
00:38:20Was targeted and prosecuted for treating him in the first place and the argument that he was that
00:38:25that I had placed him at a high rate a high risk of addiction and
00:38:29Even though the coroner said that he had died from heart failure
00:38:32The government was willing to try to give me life in prison by saying that I was responsible for his death
00:38:39I went to court and fought them and to a degree I won I
00:38:44The jury was convinced that I was not responsible for the death
00:38:47But they did fault me for treating him at all because the government throws out
00:38:50These vast numbers that seem overwhelming to a jury or even to the judge
00:38:55that without context can be very convincing so
00:38:59I'm looking at seven years three months in prison. I will report in three weeks and
00:39:05Start serving my time
00:39:10Unbelievable
00:39:11Can I I have a couple of
00:39:14Questions, I'd like to ask were you tried now by a federal court or by a state court?
00:39:20Federal Arkansas has a state law that says a physician cannot be
00:39:24Prosecuted for treating pain even if they use dangerous medications and dangerous combinations
00:39:30Which is really the job description of a physician safe medications and safe combinations over-the-counter
00:39:35But so it was federal
00:39:38All right now
00:39:41Who
00:39:44What I'm getting at can you explain to me and the audience the process on
00:39:52Starting with the open bottle to get into I mean the persons who prosecuted who is a federal prosecutor
00:40:00US Attorney
00:40:02appointed by some president
00:40:05Okay, right. How did they how did the federal prosecutor?
00:40:10political appointee
00:40:12End up with your case
00:40:15They had I
00:40:17They have an AI that comes through prescription monitoring programs and any online medical records
00:40:24Looking for what they consider quote over prescribers and they have confused
00:40:29The average practice of medicine with the usual practice of medicine so physicians willing to treat the sickest patients
00:40:36Will often have the the the outlier prescribing practice
00:40:41So one pain page one pain patch for a cancer patient can be 225 morphine dose equivalents
00:40:48Well, there you go. Now. You're more than twice over the CDC's recommended caution
00:40:52but the DEA has taken the CDC's voluntary guidelines and
00:40:58Turned it through an involuntary criminal enforcement mechanism into an absolute mandate and that's not what the CDC
00:41:06Intended as they clarified in the 2022
00:41:10Clarifications which by the way came out two weeks to say too late to save me
00:41:16Okay now and so you went before a jury how many people on the jury there's 12 people on the jury
00:41:25The government was able to get a tech
00:41:28Toxicologist to say that my medications had been had caused the death
00:41:31but they could not get an MD to they could get an MD to say that
00:41:36His opinion was basically the standard of care and that he never prescribes
00:41:41I think more than two five milligram oxycodone for cancer patients a day
00:41:46And so my my practice was unusual
00:41:50He also went so far as to say that
00:41:52He could tell from the MRI that the patient didn't have as much pain as I said
00:41:57That a veteran with spinal fractures could never have been treated by the VA and I should have recognized that
00:42:04This is an MD there's not an MD this is an MD
00:42:08He said that an EMG was red law was read wrong by the neurologist
00:42:12And I should have known that and just implied to the jury that I just didn't know anything
00:42:24The
00:42:25Okay
00:42:28No, let me
00:42:30but
00:42:31In other words the experts who they brought in one's a toxicologist and one was an MD
00:42:37Yes, sir. The MD spoke about the usual practice of medicine legitimate medical purpose
00:42:43He argued that if I was worried about addiction that a patient had addiction now understand. I was certified to treat addiction
00:42:48I was certified to treat I had gone back to Harvard for training
00:42:52I opened the first suboxone clinic in this area. I had done everything you possibly could 14% of my prescriptions were suboxone
00:43:00So it's not like I was ignoring addiction or didn't care about it
00:43:03I traveled once a week out of town to treat addiction in another town
00:43:08But once their AI points at you
00:43:11They look for an excuse to prosecute not a reason
00:43:15Nothing you do will will dissuade them from from trying to make you look guilty and I testified on my behalf and
00:43:23So did dr. Alan Wartenberg a brilliant addiction expert who wrote the chapter on avoiding addiction in the principles and practice of pain medicine?
00:43:31He was there for me despite prostate cancer. So I will always respect him for that
00:43:36Now, let me ask you another
00:43:38question that
00:43:40I'd like for our audience to know
00:43:42Who was the federal prosecutor or curators who tried to prosecute you remember his name
00:43:49Dan keys was the United States attorney. He had to resign because he was caught
00:43:55according to the papers
00:43:57Sexually harassing his his workmates so he had to resign and it was taken over by another gentleman
00:44:03I don't remember his name the the assistant United States attorney that prosecuted me
00:44:08Her name is Ann Gardner and she had prosecuted three other doctors in Arkansas, including a dr
00:44:13Hinder lighter who at the age of 81 was sentenced to 10 years in prison after
00:44:18Guilty, and he died. Let me ask you a question
00:44:21Who what president appointed her?
00:44:24That's a very good question. I would have to look and see she may go back
00:44:30To Clinton's time. She might be Asa Hutchinson. I would have to look and see
00:44:36Okay
00:44:38The point is that I that I want to make I'm naming governors. I should be thinking presidents
00:44:43Yeah, I I said governor Asa Hutchinson's a governor. It could have been Bush. It could have been Clinton, but I'll look back
00:44:50Here here is the point. I want to make
00:44:54Everybody comes on this program and everybody talks about CDC
00:44:59FDA and DEA
00:45:02Those people don't make any decisions
00:45:05All they do is work for the political structure. All right, and what I
00:45:11Reason, I hope you don't mind me taking this
00:45:14Please approach
00:45:15But it is time
00:45:17That people know that the DEA is working for those prosecutors
00:45:23FDA doesn't do anything. They've got to have a federally politically appointed
00:45:30Prosecutor to go after a doctor now, who is the judge?
00:45:33I
00:45:35Hate to name the judge publicly. I'm still kind of under her
00:45:41She was appointed by a bleeper Barack Obama, I feel like she tried to be fair
00:45:46I feel like the federal system has taken almost all authority away from judges
00:45:50I don't think that I think the prosecutor controls everything
00:45:54Well, they pretty well do don't they?
00:45:56Yeah, the point I'm getting at is that
00:46:00All the pain patients and everybody now thinks that it is the federal agencies
00:46:05Has the war on doctors and on pain patients. It's not
00:46:10Well, these prosecutors are have been appointed
00:46:15But both Republican and Democrat presidents and they are they report to the
00:46:21Attorney general and the president United States. That's it's a direct line of command
00:46:26That's right, and one of them said we need to go where the money is and the guns are not I think they've given up
00:46:32on trying to fight the cartels and they're kind of they have kind of a
00:46:38Christmas
00:46:40Agreement sort of like what happened in World War one between the Germans and the British where they said we'll bomb you at two o'clock
00:46:46You bomb us at four o'clock and none of us will get blown up. We'll all know when to expect it. I think that
00:46:53they
00:46:54they have to know that what is causing all of the deaths is fentanyl poisonings and xylosines of poisonings from
00:47:02Illicit drugs coming across, you know the commercial checkpoints. So if they really wanted to
00:47:07Save people they would be at those checkpoints stopping the inflow of fentanyl and xylosine
00:47:13but
00:47:15It's hard work and you might get shot when you kick in the door of a doctor's office
00:47:20None of them have shot have fired a gun yet
00:47:23Everything's laid out in the open and the prosecution is so simple
00:47:26confuse the jury
00:47:28With with false metrics and lots of numbers pay an unscrupulous doctor to get up there and just say
00:47:36That what you did was wrong. The jury has no context. There's really no similar trial
00:47:42If it's a financial crime, the jury will have some context, you know, did you forge a check?
00:47:48Did you do this? But what is the usual practice of medicine? I mean the Supreme Court
00:47:54Acknowledged that they didn't know and so they just listen to arguments and make a vote
00:47:59Well, that's like a patient with chest pain coming into the ER and me rounding up 12 random people and saying hey
00:48:05I'm gonna argue that you need a stint and I'm gonna ask dr. Tennant to argue that it's heartburn and you need to go home
00:48:11We're gonna let these 12 people vote and whatever they decide that's what we're gonna do
00:48:15And no, are you going to appeal your case? Yes, sir
00:48:20You could mark. Are you there?
00:48:23And have some questions or Jamie either one
00:48:28Yeah
00:48:29the
00:48:30Prosecutor you had first his name was Dak Richards a Dak keys
00:48:34Hey, he asked his first name is something else, but he's known. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
00:48:41He's known as Dak
00:48:43He's there's a there's a YouTube video of him
00:48:47That is really incriminating to him
00:48:50He said oh, he said in the video
00:48:53That's you know, you can go after the doctor
00:48:55You can go after the wife because the spouse always knows and I just wanted to ask him really Dak
00:49:01Does the spouse always know because I bet yours didn't know. Yeah, not what he was up to. Yeah
00:49:08I
00:49:10Would I would definitely like to hear from?
00:49:13Dr. Neal Anand and give him a chance to add to this if you could and what dr. Neal dr. Anand is here
00:49:20Yes, sure
00:49:25Everyone I've known a lot of people either there
00:49:28I'm friends with them on Facebook and I've seen all the work that you guys are doing
00:49:32and that can be and you know, I'm real proud of you guys because
00:49:36I've seen so many faces here and you guys are doing so much to try to change things in the United States for the better
00:49:44and
00:49:46I'm sure you guys are discouraged at sometimes and but you guys keep fighting on and I just love it
00:49:52So thank you guys so much every day for what you guys are doing. It gives a lot of courage to the rest of us and
00:50:00If you guys weren't around
00:50:02I mean, I think a lot of us would have given up hope a lot of the doctors would have given up
00:50:06Hope if the patients weren't around to help us, so it's just wonderful to see everything
00:50:12and
00:50:14You know, I think it's a good community and it's the way people are being treated on is like lepers
00:50:21Honestly, like in Rome, you know
00:50:23I would see Ben Hur and see that movie and they would show you know
00:50:28Jesus going and to talk with the lepers and everything and
00:50:32Or even Ben Hur and so it was to me is just it seems like we're repeating history
00:50:38And this in the ways that we're treating people is very similar to the you know
00:50:44what the ways that were treated in the past and you know, there was a social hierarchy in the past and
00:50:50You know, it seems like we're repeating history once again
00:50:53So thanks for having me on and I'd be happy to ask answer any questions
00:50:59I've got one. Go ahead. I'm the ranking man. I've got a question
00:51:04Go ahead, sir
00:51:06You just said the thing that that bothers me
00:51:10Where did this come from that? We're not treating humans decently
00:51:15We are not giving you know a fair shake to doctors. I mean we're hearing that it's like
00:51:22we just assume you folks die and and
00:51:25And they're not and they're in and there's a real animosity against doctors. I mean, let's you just heard it
00:51:33I mean what's going on here? I well, I'm here to explain it and
00:51:38make it clear for everyone because you know, I wanted to get accurate information because
00:51:45What was going on is when you talk to people or you hear stories you'd hear multiple different stories
00:51:51but in my mind, I just knew that I
00:51:55just knew a lot of physicians in my life and
00:51:59history and I just know that there couldn't be so many doctors that were criminals or
00:52:06We're just so, you know deviant, you know
00:52:09Just because I went to medical school and you know
00:52:11I'd been exposed to a lot of physicians and and so I just knew that it was just it didn't
00:52:18The reality of the situation didn't conform to my personal experience and what was happening
00:52:25So I filed a lot of Freedom of Information Act requests
00:52:30From all the agencies DEA Health and Human Services
00:52:35Department of Justice
00:52:37Even the Solicitor General and then what I would not get many
00:52:42Answers back from them
00:52:44And so then I would sue them or I would appeal them and then I would sue them in court by myself
00:52:52and
00:52:54We'd get documents slowly and now we've we figured out
00:52:58Basically the history of where all this came from when it exactly started when the databases were made
00:53:07What they're trying to measure in these databases against people
00:53:12but basically, you know using computers
00:53:15and
00:53:16I'll explain you a little bit about that because
00:53:20You know, I when I grew up
00:53:23I grew up in upstate New York and you know, dr. Parker said he was a computer programmer
00:53:28But when I was a kid Apple 2 came out and I actually got an Apple 2 computer
00:53:33My father bought it for me and I learned how to program on that and a Commodore 64
00:53:38Which is a little bit before that at the local library and
00:53:43You know equations are very hard to essentially equations of human life essential equations in physics
00:53:50essential equations in chemistry and finance and mathematics
00:53:55there are numerous of them, but there can be simplified and
00:54:00you know
00:54:01in a book or it's it's a small number and
00:54:05There are a lot of computer programs and the computer program as Steve Jobs said should it be a bicycle for the human mind and
00:54:12We've asked the government
00:54:14okay, if tell us how you're how you're able to how your computers work what you're programming in those computers and what you're actually
00:54:21measuring in patients and
00:54:24Doctors, right how you determining a good doctor from a bad doctor. How you determining a good patient from a bad patient and
00:54:31Because and the government is collecting data every day on patients either from
00:54:39The prescription drug monitoring program. They measure a bunch of factors the dosage a person's getting how often they get it
00:54:47what pharmacists pharmacies are getting it from how far do they live from that pharmacy how
00:54:55You know which doctors are prescribing to them. How many doctors are they seeing?
00:55:00So there's they're collecting data, you know, how how many different
00:55:04Control substances are they on?
00:55:06What is the dosage MME of control substance?
00:55:09They're on and what the whole point was was the government wanted to collect all this data to categorize
00:55:16people to create a score a social score a score about someone and
00:55:23To categorize people whether they're good patients or bad patients good people or bad people
00:55:30They're going to good doctors or bad doctors
00:55:33Right, because that's the whole purpose of their computer program because that's all it can do
00:55:38Does that make sense? Yep, it not only makes sense. Could we ask you another thing?
00:55:44Yes, we're about to run out of time
00:55:48What I'd like to do is have you back. Sure. I'd be a little
00:55:54I have a
00:55:56personal thought you know what I
00:55:59Started doing pain work and addiction work. It was
00:56:03It was law enforcement
00:56:05Including DEA the ones who got me to do it. We were partnered and
00:56:10This goes back in the 70s
00:56:13You you've been tracking this. We'd like I'd love to hear you. Maybe give us a little
00:56:19chronological tracking on what's happened I
00:56:23Mystified as to
00:56:25This ugliness that we've come into
00:56:29I and you sound like the one person who's got
00:56:33studied it
00:56:35Like to have you back next week as soon as Jimmy can get you on and would you give us a rundown?
00:56:40And I like your personal opinion anybody else's I think we need to kind of go back
00:56:44When did we what went wrong here? I mean, I think you're right that we're repeating some history
00:56:50But we're actually punishing people were sending people to prison sending people to their deaths
00:56:54I mean what this is not the way that humans are supposed to treat each other. I know it's as simple as that
00:57:01This is ugly stuff
00:57:03Okay
00:57:04Anyway, thanks. I appreciate what you've done because you have you're the you're one of the few people who've really tried to get to the
00:57:10Bottom of this I appreciate it right and I want to do it with proper
00:57:14Information from the government so people don't say debunk us and say hey these guys are conspiracy theorists or hey
00:57:21These people don't know what they're talking about actually, no, you know, I've studied a lot of medicine a lot of science
00:57:27I did the first heart transplant in Phil and I was on the team that did it in Philadelphia Thomas Jefferson University Hospital
00:57:35and then, you know, I served in the US military in terms of
00:57:39the US Naval Medical Corps, and I've seen a lot of soldiers who you know lost limbs or had a lot of
00:57:47You know physical trauma to their bodies and mental traumas as well and
00:57:52So what is happening in American history right now is it's a tragedy and I would love to come back on
00:58:01With everyone. Okay. Thank you so much. Dr. Parker
00:58:05Our prayers are with you and our hopes not just for you
00:58:10But you have come to symbolize the very worst of what's going on
00:58:16and
00:58:17Please please appeal. I don't know what we can do
00:58:22We can testify
00:58:25Can we help with an appeal for you, is that a possibility?
00:58:30well, I
00:58:31Use the last of my life savings on a very very good appellate attorney. Mr. Ron Chapman. He's uh,
00:58:38He fights very hard former Marine and judge. I'd be a general officer
00:58:42And so I I will be hoping for good things but
00:58:47Stoically ready in case I don't get them and what address do we contact you at?
00:58:52You know if you go to BOP inmate locator
00:58:55If you just type that into Google you can type in someone's first and last name and it will tell them
00:59:02Tell you where they are how to reach them how to send an email to them
00:59:06I looked it up so I could warn my family and they I guess they've incarcerated enough
00:59:12People now that they have to make it more convenient. It's very nice. So do we look you up under Lonnie Parker?
00:59:18Yes, sir, Ellen and I okay
00:59:21When I was stationed in Hawaii, I had to quit using that. It means beautiful in Hawaiian. I had to let that go. Well you are
00:59:32If it's her better, but thank you, you're very good. I appreciate it. Yes. Thank you again. God. Love you
00:59:38Thank you. Dr. Tennant. We appreciate you and everything you do
00:59:42We are with you every moment
00:59:44Thank you, sir. Don't forget that
00:59:47Thank you. When we say you are not alone. It's not just because we like to say it. It's not a cliche
00:59:53You truly are not alone
00:59:56you have
00:59:58Countless people who not only are with you, but we care and we're here and we're not gonna walk away from you
01:00:06Please know that
01:00:12We're speaking out for the patients who are told that it's all in their head or they're just crazy
01:00:20Frustrated doctors make bad decisions frightened doctors make bad decisions
01:00:24Dr. Tennant what he's doing is extremely helpful. These people aren't making things up just because we can't find it
01:00:32That's that's our failure not theirs
01:00:34Great. Okay. Good luck
01:00:38We will see you again
01:00:40Thank you. Yes, sir
01:00:43Thank you
01:00:45Thank you all so much. Does anyone have anything they'd like to add just if they can do a 30-second anybody just want to add anything
01:00:53Towards the end even if it's a prayer anybody at all. I
01:00:57Want to thank these doctors from the bottom of my heart for once we are being heard
01:01:05Yeah
01:01:08Told we're not crazy. Yes. Thank you from the bottom of my heart
01:01:17Thank you for telling the truth
01:01:28To get the swab test done to see if I
01:01:33tabulate the
01:01:34opioids
01:01:36Nowhere in Florida will do it
01:01:39They're telling me it's a cheek swab and none of the clinics do cheek swab
01:01:45That's that's there miss
01:01:48They're misinformed and we'll get that straightened out for you. I just had a blood test done this week, too
01:01:54It's the second one. I've had to show the rapid metabolization, etc
01:01:59And it's a blood test. So they're just they just don't know yet, but we will show them
01:02:04The other thing you could you the other thing you could do Brenda
01:02:08If you can't find this test anywhere
01:02:10You can do 23andme or ancestry.com and ask for them to check your CYP
01:02:17450
01:02:18Metabolism status and it's a special it's a special add-on. So it's more expensive. What is it?
01:02:25Let me mention something very quickly
01:02:29for about
01:02:31$29 someone can get their entire
01:02:33Genome read and then you can run it through these different filters as we identify more and more genes
01:02:39I know it's expensive
01:02:42Insurances should cover for every human being that wants it
01:02:45But it must also be kept absolutely secret and and private which is a problem in today's with these
01:02:52governmental intrusions so but that is something to consider also
01:02:57Well, well done well said I do believe that's something called sequencing dot-com or some Jeanette
01:03:04I don't remember the name, but it's like DNA sequencing if you
01:03:08Pull genomic sequencing. That's it. You got it. Thank you
01:03:13I
01:03:17Can do online
01:03:20Exactly exactly. Go ahead Cora. Did you have something that you needed to add?
01:03:24I had two genetics tests done and they were both done with the cheek swab
01:03:30PME on Facebook. I can look up the companies that I got it done with. Thank you Cora and tell them the names of it
01:03:38Perfect
01:03:40Say who could perform the test perfectly and just mentioned it's called gene site. Dr. Parker's book up
01:03:49He's unmuted. So I'll let him speak. Yes, it's called
01:03:53Perspectives in pain. It is a light read it is only
01:03:58780 pages
01:03:59So it's 180 pages more than Dune
01:04:02So if you want to know what doctors and patients are
01:04:06Facing kind of from a physician's perspective. I tried to make it to where
01:04:12People who don't have your problems can understand the problems you're dealing with and the problems the doctors are dealing with as they try to fight
01:04:20this the federal war
01:04:22medicine probably will not win me fans in the federal system, but it's on Amazon and I
01:04:29It was a labor of love and I if you read it, I hope you hope you enjoy
01:04:35Yes, and dr. Parker as a thank you and as a token of our love appreciation
01:04:40We will add that to our link tree so that people can automatically
01:04:45Find them just but just with everything else that's on doc talks link tree
01:04:50So it's all in one place if that's okay with you. Thank you so much. You're very very welcome
01:04:57It's the least we could do we are here for you
01:05:05Doctor not to because he's not done
01:05:11Brilliant man, the only one who understands the AI that they're using to
01:05:16Target physicians and patients the DEA actually left a target list at my office of about 300 of my patients
01:05:23So they aren't just using this data to target doctors. They're targeting patients also
01:05:31Lord have mercy
01:05:34Oh
01:05:38God bless you. Yes. God bless all of us and like dr. Ibsen says god bless us each and every one
01:05:46I
01:05:48Just want you all to know that regardless of what the situation circumstance or the fight is in front of us
01:05:56We've got this we've got this because the Lord is with us wherever we go
01:06:04Please remember that shame is a bankrupt emotion
01:06:08Used to dominate the vulnerable. That's right. And so we're done with shame. That's right
01:06:14Hold your head high and be proud of the fight that you've given
01:06:19Yes
01:06:22Thank you, they are also very loved
01:06:25Up to there at one point we had 47 in here tonight
01:06:29And that is if you put that that a number of people in a classroom
01:06:33That's quite a large group. But even if only one had showed up, it doesn't matter
01:06:38It's just the fact that the togetherness and the community the family we have here
01:06:43It's this will spread across like wildfire
01:06:47And I pray that this show has opened up some eyes that people understand that they could be in this boat in a blink
01:06:56Absolute pain is not every specter of persons it like dr
01:07:00Ibsen says it rains on the just pain rains on the dust in the unjust
01:07:08Purple so
01:07:09Yes, it's a terrorist and we any of us could be we could fall victim to it. I want to remind us
01:07:16We're not victims. We are survivors. We're fighters. We're warriors and we will not retreat. I love you all
01:07:26Good night, everybody
01:07:37Carson and Alan happy birthday to you both. Thank you. Hey, thank you to God bless
01:07:48God save the pain lawyers fast