MUERTE DE LA TOTA SANTILLÁN
El perito psiquiatra forense, Rafael Herrera Milano intenta determinar si hubo una intoxicación previa o un cuadro de perturbación psiquiátrica grave que llevó a una muerte violenta.
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El perito psiquiatra forense, Rafael Herrera Milano intenta determinar si hubo una intoxicación previa o un cuadro de perturbación psiquiátrica grave que llevó a una muerte violenta.
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00:00The foot is fair to present the psychiatrist expert Rafael Herrera Milano, nothing, we were stepping with a lead foot,
00:08no, with respect to a person who had a mental health problem, such as Tuta Santillán, with a picture of bipolarity,
00:16and this, what do you say, no, if the person in this circumstance prepares his bed of death.
00:24Rafael, how are you? I am Diego Esteves, this is Nahuel Suárez, Lucía Baldi, here at Alerta 24x7, how are you?
00:31How are you? Good afternoon, nice to meet you.
00:33Well, I imagine that in this case of public knowledge you will have elements, a little bit, you heard what we were just talking about.
00:40What do you see in this case, also based on these elements that we are sharing, this house of Tuta Santillán,
00:49with a fire, a priori, concentrated in a chair, and to whom he is found fainted in the bathroom,
00:57well, the medication he usually takes, and the family saying he was taking the medication, according to the medical indication.
01:04Well, the first thing I want to clarify is that I do not have an image, I am aware of the case,
01:11and a concept that I would like to be brought up in this case, as in many others,
01:18is that no matter how much a patient is a carrier of a mental illness, bipolarity in this case,
01:28it would be necessary to see what type, there are two different types,
01:31it is a problem that comes to light when the problem has already blossomed.
01:39What do I mean by this? Prevention does not work.
01:43So, if this person had a picture of bipolarity, he was medicated and theoretically he was fine,
01:56what you have to see is the photo of the moment, because many times these people go to the psychiatrist, he is stable.
02:03Now, the same person, I clarify that we are in the field of the hypothesis, right?
02:10He stopped taking the medication for two days and the panorama changes drastically.
02:18This comes from the hand of the possible cause of death, which is a violent death.
02:26The mechanism of death, which apparently was the cause, is extremely rare.
02:33It is very rare for a person to set himself on fire.
02:37The doctor just said it, right?
02:39Miguel, this can happen mainly because of two things,
02:45or because there is a previous intoxication with some type of medication or some other toxin,
02:52or because you are in a very deep, very serious psychiatric disorder and you make that determination.
03:01These are not the most common modalities.
03:03No, without a doubt they are not the most common.
03:09I think he prepared the stage, I understand that he prepared the stage.
03:15I understand that the form is true that it is not the usual, because you understand the suffering, the pain that the person must have.
03:30The worst death.
03:32I think so, far.
03:34What I do understand is that it seems to me that he prepared the place, because notice that the place is all closed,
03:44tarpaulins, windows, the smoke was not felt outside.
03:48And fundamental, he chose the day that the therapeutic assistant was not there.
03:53I already heard that.
03:55Good. Rafael, anything else to close that has remained based on what Abuel says?
04:01No, no, I hear it, I understand it.
04:04Likewise, in part, it is very complex to interpret with the data that there is,
04:11which is obviously premature to give a categorical judgment.
04:14Yes.
04:15But I insist again, no matter how much he has chosen the day, the suicide act is always an impulsive act in the last stage,
04:23even if it is something premeditated.
04:26So, at least it sounds strange to me, or it sounds very infrequent to me, and the bibliography supports it,
04:33that he has locked himself up with the objective of setting fire.
04:37Good.
04:38Yes, it's okay, let's see.
04:39I accept, perhaps, what Rafael does not know, that I had a bond with Daniel, and I know well what I thought and how I thought.
04:45Well, I had other intentions.
04:47And what hurt him in person for having shared many days of my life with Daniel La Tota Santillán.
04:53Well, Rafael, thank you, thank you for your time.
04:57Well, we continue with Dr. Miguel Mignones.
05:02What I can tell you is that in the number of thousands of suicides that I have seen, it is not always in an impulsive way,
05:10and I have seen suicide preparations that one cannot believe.
05:14Not just write the letter, prepare the rope, take pills and then go down the train.
05:22Sometimes they sell their objects, they donate them, they give them away.
05:26Not just that, Lu.
05:27Yes, he organizes his final part of his life.
05:29Of course, for him and for the family.
05:31It accommodates a lot of things.
05:32Doc, we have shared a jury.
05:35When I was a police officer, he was also from the medical corps that corresponded to my jury.
05:44How long does it take to film?
05:46Yes.
05:47To leave his death filmed.
05:50I mean, I know who writes letters, I know who makes 10 calls before,
05:57not saying what he is going to do, but in some hidden way, saying goodbye.
06:02And maybe even the day before he was barbaric.
06:04And you saw it and said, it was impossible for him to do it.
06:08No, they were preparing the territory.
06:10Two elements.
06:11The cell phone of La Tota Santillán is being checked to see if there is any element in this regard.
06:17And this last will, which evidently, as friends say,
06:20he had manifested some time ago, of wanting to be next to his friend Rodrigo in the cemetery.
06:27Let's do it like this.
06:29I know that at any time we will surely have to cut.
06:32Yes.
06:34But we also have La Tota's chat.
06:38Of what they are going to talk about.
06:40There is chat, we have them.
06:43And there it is reflected that it was his pain.
06:50In a little while we are going to put it on air.
06:54A patient who had been suffering for many years,
07:01having to give answers in court, with a very recent conviction,
07:05against which it is true, Merlo had told his lawyer,
07:08we are going to peel it, we are going to get it out in front.
07:11And what did it scream, what letter did it scream?
07:14The one of the bipolar picture, which obviously,
07:17always like all mental health pictures,
07:20begins long before the first diagnosis.
07:23He was confident, but there was something that I think is denoted in those chats,
07:28that could not be solved.
07:32I think that when you are touched by the issue of the kids,
07:38it is something that many perhaps do not have the tool and do not know how to handle it.
07:46I think it's a very simple place, that's why we always say,
07:50the boys are not a trophy, the boys should never be a trophy,
07:53the adults are adults.
07:55The same was the justice.
07:57Yes, whatever you want, everything you want, but it exists.
08:00Stop, stop, stop.
08:02Yes, but let's see, I do not know, to make it clear,
08:05I do not know the ex-partner, I do not know anything,
08:08I knew him, not the link.
08:11Yes, what I say, do not put justice on me, of course,
08:14stop the justice.
08:16Justice is wrong many times.
08:19Justice is wrong many times.
08:21I forgot the name, unfortunately, of the judge who re-linked
08:24a five-year-old with the abusive father.
08:27Exactly, that is, the justice, the justice,
08:30you tell me, the justice, no, but look at the justice,
08:33the justice can arbitrate the means,
08:36and say, hey, see them with an assistant,
08:40with police personnel, with whoever,
08:43but it is very hard to break the link
08:46between children, parents and mother.
08:50It must be for an exceptional cause,
08:53that one cannot approach a child.
08:55Sorry, it has to do with the cause of gender violence,
08:58he had a sentence of five years and six months in prison,
09:01I say, it is a consequence of that, it is a way to protect
09:04children who are subject to the law.
09:06And you do not have, yes, it's okay, subject to the law,
09:09but you have legal tools not to break the link,
09:12if children want to see it, not to break the link.
09:15Nahue, look, to get to this, it is multi-causal.
09:18Yes, it's okay.
09:20It is not a single reason, it is a compendium of reasons
09:23that lead to this.
09:25And I think it is important to say it,
09:27because we have been, for almost two hours,
09:30detailing each of these exclusive elements
09:33regarding this investigation,
09:35because the family, the family of the Tota Santillán
09:39and his lawyer, Juan Pablo Merlo,
09:42maintain, since last night,
09:45that this was a technical imperfection,
09:48which so far the evidence does not show.
09:51It is not a technical imperfection, guys.
09:53It is not a technical imperfection,
09:55let alone, let's not start with the fact that
09:57the firefighter took him away,
09:59let's not start with nonsense here either.
10:01Here it is clearly known, and what Anionesto has,
10:04and the one who reads the autopsy, the one who sees the photo,
10:07you can't sell me a dog for a cat.
10:09Miguel, you agree, right?
10:10Totally.
10:11But of course, guys, let's see,
10:13I can understand everyone later.
10:15Is it understandable the position of the relative,
10:17or the ex-partner who declared,
10:19no, it's impossible? I understand.
10:21It's like saying...
10:22From Manuel.
10:23It's like...
10:24When I was at the cause of Costa Salguero,
10:26of the boys who died at the electronic party,
10:28do you remember?
10:29He touched me on the cock with the father of one of the boys,
10:32who got angry with me,
10:33because my son was not an addict,
10:35and you can find out there that his son was an addict.
10:37And it is very difficult to recognize it.
10:39But of course, of course.
10:40He says, your son is on drugs.
10:41No, my son, and they want to kill you.
10:43The denial, right?
10:44The denial is the first feeling when you receive a bad news.
10:47You always separate the family.
10:49More or less.
10:50Because the look is going to be total,
10:52it's going to be partial,
10:54and many times they are going to deny it.
10:57But, and it's okay.
10:59And it's okay.
11:00No, you can't argue or confront
11:04with the one who is suffering the pain.
11:06Okay?
11:07Then, in the past,
11:09in the past,
11:11you can't invent anything.
11:13Well, what Renan Milano said just now.
11:16One of the causes that the manual indicates
11:20is that if he has been on medication
11:22and somehow is in a state of semi-consciousness
11:25to commit this,
11:27well, Dr. Miguel just said it,
11:29you said it too,
11:30it is not common.
11:31No.
11:32Not because of the suffering.
11:34The way, right?
11:35That's why I say,
11:36let's see,
11:37I know I'm going to fall,
11:38and I don't care much.
11:40It's not that I'm saying,
11:42he's a good guy,
11:44but I forgot about the past,
11:45about what he did.
11:46No, it's already paid.
11:48Is it a danger to society?
11:50Is there the real,
11:53imminent danger
11:54of the Tota Santillán
11:55for any of its victims?
11:57Does it exist?
11:58No longer.
11:59Does it exist?
12:00No longer?
12:01No more talk.
12:02It's already paid.
12:03And he paid it by suffering.
12:05So it's ready,
12:06no more talk.
12:07It's perfect.
12:08It has to be condemned,
12:09it has to be,
12:10everything you want.
12:11The person,
12:13the person,
12:14left this plane,
12:16San is over,
12:17no more talk.
12:19Good.
12:20We have the chats,
12:21after the break,
12:22we're going to do a short break,
12:23we have the exclusive chats
12:25of the Tota Santillán
12:27to know,
12:28or try to understand,
12:30why he made the decision he made.