In this episode, I discuss the complexities of parenting and relationships, questioning whether parents should force children to attend family dinners. I argue for the importance of choice in fostering genuine connections, advocating for enjoyable and engaging family meals.
Reflecting on personal experiences, I emphasize emotional honesty and vulnerability, while addressing personal accountability in relationships. The conversation also touches on life's unpredictability and the necessity of expressing love to avoid future regrets. Ultimately, I encourage a shift towards responsibility and open communication to enrich our lives and relationships.
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00:00Good morning, everybody. Hope you're doing well. Stefan Mollingden, Free Domain.
00:03Well, questions from freedomain.locals.com as well as Facebook.
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00:14Should parents force kids to attend when it comes to dinner time?
00:18The argument that you should force them goes something like this. If our kids don't sit down
00:22for dinner with us, how else are we going to have family time and bond? Have you found
00:26this to be the case when it comes to dinner time? Is force more appropriate when they're younger
00:30below two compared to when they're older, or does it more or less, more or less doesn't it matter?
00:37No, you don't use force in your relationships. And in particular, you don't use force in
00:41unchosen relationships. Right? You don't use force in your relationships. I'm sorry,
00:47I hate to be like, well, non-aggression principle. But yeah, you don't use force
00:50in your relationships.
00:56Now people will say, oh, but your kids want candy and you don't give them candy. Well,
01:00that's not using force. And it's not force if later on people thank you, right? So if there's
01:09a blind guy about to wander into traffic and you grab him and pull him back, you know,
01:15he would be upset until he realized that you just saved him from wandering into traffic.
01:20And so then he would say, I approve your action in hindsight. Right? So if you keep your kids from
01:26eating candy all the time, and as a result, they don't have diabetes, they're not obese,
01:30and they get to keep their teeth, then as adults, they will thank you for that. Right? So you can
01:36get permission after the fact for things, right? Like, I mean, if someone's drowning
01:40and you grab a life ring, a lifesaver, and you throw it to them, well, the person will,
01:47would give you permission, whoever owned that lifesaver or that life buoy would give you
01:52permission to use that, but after the fact, right? In other words, if you could call them and say,
01:56someone's drowning, can I use your buoy to save them? They'd say, yes, of course, don't even ask.
02:00Right? So if you get permission after the fact, that's equal to permission before the fact,
02:05and so on. Right? So parenting is to some degree doing the things for your kids that they may not
02:12love in the moment, but that they will absolutely give approval later on. Right? If you let your
02:17kids eat candy and stay up all night and their health deteriorates, they get obese, they get
02:21teeth problems and, and all that kind of stuff, then, you know, when they become adults and
02:25you've now set them up for a literal lifetime of battling obesity and so on, they would,
02:29would they say, well, I'm really glad you let me eat all that candy when I was a kid. They'd say,
02:33no, why the hell were you letting me eat all that candy when I was a kid? That's not right.
02:37So, no, it is, it is not force if they'll thank you later. Now, force kids to attend when it
02:44comes to dinner time. No. Force is the laziest thing in the world. Right? It's really, really
02:51tough to develop all the skills to paint a painting. Right? It's really easy to grab a
02:59painting and run. Right? It's really tough to clear all the land, to plant your crops,
03:04to keep the birds away, to get the right amount of sun and like plant in the right place and shade
03:11and irrigation and then to harvest and right to process the food in some manner. That's really,
03:18that's massive amounts of labor, massive amounts of skill. But it's just to produce like a loaf
03:24of bread or something like that. It's just a huge amount of time, effort, labor, and skill.
03:28But it's pretty easy to grab a loaf of bread from a bakery and run away. Right? So laziness
03:33and force are two sides of the same coin. Right?
03:39And most violence rests on laziness. So if you want your kids to eat dinner with you,
03:51then what do you do? I mean, it's not that complicated. Right?
03:57I mean, if you want a girl to go out with you, you don't kidnap her. Right? You don't do that.
04:03That's immoral. You don't force her. You don't get some security guards to hold her down in
04:08the chair across from the restaurant table. I mean, that's not right. So no, if you want your
04:15kids to eat dinner with you, you simply make it a fun and enjoyable experience for them to eat
04:19dinner with you. Right? You ask them questions, you tell stories, you make jokes, you play with
04:25your food, you flick food at each other from time to time. You know, if the mom's not around,
04:29not that that ever happened here, but theoretically. So if you use force,
04:36you take away the fun and joyful challenge of enticing people to spend time with you,
04:43them wanting to spend time with you. You lower your own requirements for quality
04:47and fun and positive interactions. Right? I mean, my daughter and I enjoy spending time so much
04:54together that, I mean, it happens, I don't know, half a dozen times over the summer when
04:59I've had, you know, there's a lot of fairly dull detritus in life. I have to submit this
05:05paperwork and I have to get the car cleaned and I have to, I have to go get my glasses fixed and
05:09like just a bunch of stuff that you have to do. And it's not like, it's just a part of life and
05:14it's a lot better than war, but it's not super fun. Now, when I, and what I do is I try to get
05:20them all done in a day because I don't want to just go and come back and go and come back. So
05:24I will try to get them all done in a day. And sometimes you just need a day, right? You just
05:28need a day to get stuff done. And my daughter and I enjoy each other's company so much that
05:39if I have a day of errands to do and she's not busy that day and I say, Hey, I've got some
05:45errands to do. Do you want to come? She's like, sure, because we have chats. We enjoy it. It's
05:49funny. And all of that. And we love yapping and getting caught up and all that. So she's got a
05:56pretty great social circle these days. So it's great to hear about all of that. So I don't have
06:02to say you've got to come with me and do these errands. Like you, right? You, right? So my wife
06:08has a bunch of errands to run. If I have the time, I will, I'd love to go with her. Right?
06:18I always sort of think, you know, I always think of my deathbed, right? And it's a good thing.
06:23Think of your deathbed. And on your deathbed, will you, like, let's say my wife dies, you know,
06:3020 years or whatever, right? Am I going to sit there and say, well, I wish I'd spent less time
06:34with her? No, of course not. Once she's gone, right? Or once I'm gone. And then my daughter,
06:39you know, she's 16. She's going to be an adult soon. Going to go off and do her thing. Am I
06:43going to sit there and say, gee, I wish I'd spent less time with my daughter when she was home?
06:47No, not in a million years. Right? I mean, I got tons of time to do philosophy shows and write
06:52books. I don't need to, you know, slice into my time with the people that I love too much. Right?
06:58I mean, some, right? So yeah, don't, don't force your kids. The challenge is to get them to want
07:05to have dinner with you. Right? Don't get lazy in your relationships. And particularly when you
07:13have a monopoly, like you have a monopoly on parenting your children. And if you're married,
07:16you have a monopoly on romantic relationship with your wife. Right? It's just you and your
07:23wife. So people get this monopoly thing and they think that it means that they can lower their
07:27standards. Right? If you, if you wanted a, if you wanted your kid's friend to stay for a sleepover,
07:34you wouldn't lock them in the basement, would you? That'd be monstrous and illegal and horrible and
07:38evil. Right? You'd try and find some way to get the kid to want to come over for a sleepover.
07:42Right? If you do sleepovers, I know a lot of people don't, but so people think that when they
07:50have a monopoly, that somehow their standards can collapse. Right? But no, no. When you have
07:57a monopoly, your standards have to increase. That's what pair bonding is. That's what love is.
08:01So no, don't force your kids. All right. Ike Eisenhower warned about the military industrial
08:13congressional complex. It was in his last written speech, verbal, I think. But for some reason,
08:18he left out the congressional part delivering his farewell address.
08:22Address? Well, I mean, it's all nonsense. I mean, it's, you know, people are the military
08:28industrial complex. He left out the congressional part. So, I mean, the guy was president for quite
08:34some time. And what he did was he said, you know, there's this great danger and I'm just about to
08:42leave. I'm sorry. Don't mean to laugh, but it's like he was the president for many, many years.
08:48Jesus, a lot of bugs around today. I'm sorry, don't mean to laugh. It's a serious topic,
08:53but it's hilarious to me that he would only talk about this just as he was leaving. Why?
09:02Why wouldn't he have dealt with it before he left? Well, I guess he didn't want to get JFK'd.
09:09So he gets all of the pluses of what he, Ike did warn us about this military industrial complex.
09:16And it's like, yes, but he didn't do anything about it when he could. And he gets all of this,
09:21these kudos for talking about, talking about it when he was leaving. Fantastic. Fantastic.
09:29Now that you've bought the car, I just wanted to tell you it doesn't have an engine.
09:34Could you not tell me that before you sell me the car and move to another country? Anyway,
09:40if you haven't already been asked, how do you deal with the passing of people close to you?
09:44Well, for better or for worse, for right or for wrong, I've not had to deal with that.
09:48I have not had to deal with the death of anyone I was close to.
09:55I mean, there's some reason for that that are vaguely good, some that are just accidental.
10:01The people that I care about, I mean, we're not all exercise fanatics. I mean, I would say I'm
10:08halfway to an exercise fanatic, but we all exercise, we eat well,
10:16we have close loving relationships with good friendships, all the things that while imperfect
10:23will shield you from early death. Again, there's some accidents and some bad luck and so on,
10:31but we're all bucking the odds as a whole. I would say the only immediate family member
10:37that I was at all had any kind of relationship to really as an adult who died was my father,
10:43but of course, that didn't... I mean, the guy left when I was a baby and I did spend some time with
10:49him in Africa and some time with him in Ireland when I was younger. I saw him every couple of
10:55years, I'm trying to think, every five years, he'd be passing through North America or something and
11:04we'd meet up, but it was never a close relationship. And I tried talking to him about
11:08what happened with my mom and he didn't really want to talk about it. And I can understand that,
11:13I mean, he was battling depression his life over or so. So I have not had to deal with the passing
11:20of people close to me. And I was really thinking about this and I'm like, it's true. I mean,
11:27a friend of mine, two friends of mine from junior high and high school died,
11:31but I was no longer close to them when they died, so that was not a huge impact.
11:41Other than that, I mean, I've known some people who died over the course, but not people I was
11:46close to. I've never had a really close friend to die, never had a really close family member die.
11:51Yeah. So I think I'll have to get back to you on that. I would not want to give advice in the
11:59absence of evidence. I mean, sorry, asterisk, other than to say, when somebody goes,
12:10when somebody dies, what you don't want to be left with is regret, which means
12:15be as honest, be as close, put as much into the relationship as possible. I mean,
12:19I know we've all got to work and make some money and get things done in life. And so you can't,
12:24you know, stare at your partner 24 seven, but as long as they know how much you loved them,
12:30as long as they know how much you delighted in spending time with them, as long as
12:39they died in the knowledge that they were truly loved for a long time,
12:44really, that's the only thing that takes death sting away to some degree. And as long as you're
12:54honest about the people you care about, and you know why you love them, and you tell them why you
12:58love them, and they know what a net addition they are to the happiness and joy and virtue
13:06and integrity of your life, that really is the best that can be done. Do not hoard your heart.
13:13It's not, you know, the heart is meat that goes off, right?
13:22There's no freezer where you get to freeze something and then eat it later. The heart
13:26decays on a regular basis and hoarding your heart, hoarding your emotions, hoarding your connection,
13:31hoarding your affection, it does not last. It does not stay frozen for you to unpack later.
13:39There is no later. It dies in your heart, right? The heart, unexpressed, dies in itself.
13:48And unpack your heart with words. Be vulnerable. Tell people how much you need them.
13:53Give them power over you by telling them how much you are devoted to them, how important
13:58their presence is to the happiness of your life. Be vulnerable.
14:01Now there will be some people who take advantage of that vulnerability, and that hurts.
14:06But when you are vulnerable, when you are open, when you're honest,
14:09you reveal how people handle power over you. Are they gentle, kind, considerate, and thoughtful?
14:15Do they respect your vulnerability and treat you with care? Or are they smug, superior, and
14:27superior and gain vanity points from your vulnerability and dependence?
14:35I mean, I'll tell you this, my wife, my daughter, they are in absolutely no doubt whatsoever how
14:42important they are to the absolute central joy and happiness of my life.
14:48So just don't have regrets. Don't hoard for something that ends, right? Like what is it in
14:55that movie where the guy goes hiking, gets lost, and lives in the wilderness. And he gets a bunch
15:04of meat and then he stores it, but he can't store it well. They end up with flies all over it and
15:09he can't eat it. The heart decays in isolation. The heart generates language which only survives
15:17in the speaking. The unspoken language the heart generate decays and rots away
15:24in its hidden chambers. So don't do that. All right. My husband has a serious gambling problem
15:28and it's ruining me. All right. He doesn't think he has one. We have two daughters. One's picked
15:36up on it. I don't know what to do. I've been in bed for three days, three straight days.
15:41All the joy and happiness I had is completely gone. We just agree this hasn't been the first time.
15:46So this is very tough and I really sympathize.
15:57Your husband's gambling problem is not what is ruining you.
16:01And I'm not even saying that you are ruined, but the unhappiness that you are experiencing
16:05is the result of your addiction to your husband, not your husband's addiction to gambling.
16:11Because, of course, the very tough question is, it's a very real question, something that you need
16:15to answer within your own heart and mind. Why would you have two children with a gambling addict?
16:26Why would you have two children with a gambling addict? You must have known that he was a gambling
16:30addict. You must have known that he had dysfunction. You must have known that he had a bad
16:34childhood, right? Now, if you never talked to him about his childhood, then why would you have
16:40children with a man you never vetted by asking him about his childhood? That would be like me
16:45and that would be like the head of surgery hiring some guy who claimed to be a surgeon
16:49without checking any of his references or his education, right? That would be
16:55savagely irresponsible. I mean, that would probably be criminally irresponsible. I'm
17:00not putting you in that category, but that particular example. So you think that you
17:06are just stuck with a guy who has a gambling problem and you feel enormously victimized by
17:11his gambling problem. But the fundamental question is, why is that gambling problem
17:17in your life? Why do you have a guy in your life who has a gambling problem?
17:28That's on you. You chose him. He pursues you. You pursued him. You had a chance to date, to vet him
17:36for months or years. You got engaged. You knew his family. You knew his history or should have
17:42ignorance of people's history is no excuse, right? It's no excuse. If you choose to date someone for
17:49years and never ask them about their childhood, that's on you, right? You have no excuse for that,
17:55especially if you listen to this show. So you chose a guy who was highly dysfunctional. You
18:01chose to date him, get engaged to him, get married to him and have two children with him.
18:10So then you need to look at your own childhood and say, why would you voluntarily bring this
18:14level of chaos and dysfunction into your life? Now you can say, but how does this help me now?
18:19Well, the way that it helps you now is you have two daughters, right? So you as a mother have a
18:28choice when it comes to parenting. You can either model responsibility or you can model victimhood.
18:34And right now what you're doing is you're modeling self-pity and victimhood. And that is going to
18:39transfer down to your daughters and your daughters are going to repeat the cycle of picking bad
18:44people and feeling victimized. You must break the cycle. And the only way to break the cycle
18:49is to take 150% responsibility for everything in your life.
18:54150% to go for a thousand percent. It's way more than you think it is. And if it's any
18:59consolation, it's way more than I think it is for my own life. So
19:07you have to take a thousand percent responsibility for the situation that you're in. You're lying in
19:13bed because you're feeling like a victim and you are not a victim. You chose this man. You chose
19:21this man. You chose to date him, get engaged to him, get married to him, stay married to him. You
19:26chose to have two children with him. These are all the results of your choices. And if you model
19:31victimhood, you are going to cripple any sense of self-ownership and personal responsibility on the
19:36part of your children. You're there because you chose to be there. You're staying there because
19:41you choose to stay there. And if it turns out that you have to leave this guy because he won't get
19:47help, he won't get therapy, he won't deal with the bomb in the brain stuff that his childhood
19:51stuff. He probably had an extraordinarily risky childhood where he had a few victories but lost
20:00overall. And he's replicating that situation in his gambling. All he knows how to do is to manage
20:08the anxiety of an incrementally losing hand. So he probably had a couple of victories with his
20:15parents where he won against the abuse. But overall, it got worse and worse. And so he's
20:21addicted to managing occasional victories and long-term decline. And that's his childhood.
20:26And if you guys want to do a call-in show, absolutely. You can both do it. Might be a
20:31great idea. Probably would be a great idea. freedomain.com slash call. But no, it is your
20:37addiction to his addiction that is the issue. And you can say, well, he didn't deal with his addiction.
20:42Well, did you deal with your addiction to chaos? What about your family? Did they say, don't marry
20:47this guy? He's got severe problems and dysfunction. Did they? If they didn't say that, then you have
20:52problems in your own history and with your own family. And if they did say that and you didn't
20:55listen to them, that's another reason why you shouldn't feel self-pity. All right. I think
21:03that might be. Oh yeah. There's one question. What would I call the government that is emerging
21:08from Western democracies? I mean, it's the inevitable progress of statism, right? Have you
21:13ever asked Leonard Picoff to come on the show? I still think he'd kick you into a cocked hat.
21:20All right. You always talk about bringing philosophy to the masses by using colloquial
21:24language and real life applications, which is great. But Leonard Picoff's lectures and Q&A
21:30sessions from the eighties and nineties are just superior to free domain. Have I ever asked Leonard
21:37Picoff to come on the show? I can't remember. Maybe back in the day. I'm a huge fan of his,
21:44or was a huge fan of his back in the day. Ominous Parallels was a great book and Meta Energy Puffs
21:51from Introduction to Objectivist Thought, or whatever the book was, was great.
21:57But I've never warmed to the guy personally, which doesn't mean much. Not like that matters
22:03with regards to the quality of his thought. But yeah, he's a brilliant guy, a good writer,
22:07though not a great writer. His writing was best when he was still in contact with Ayn Rand.
22:13So his lectures and Q&A sessions from the eighties and nineties are just superior to free domain.
22:19So you're not very good at philosophy if you just talk about something that's superior.
22:26Right? Is two and two equals four superior to the claim that two and two equals five?
22:31No. The claim that two and two equals five is wrong. And the claim that two and two equal four
22:38is right. So superior is an aesthetic judgment and an aesthetic judgment
22:44doesn't have much to do with what philosophy actually is. Right? So that's the content of
22:49philosophy. And then there's the form in which it is presented. Now you can say, of course,
22:53you could say Leonard Picoff is a far better public speaker. He's more charismatic. He's
22:57more funny. He's more engaging. Okay, that's fine. So he's a superior public speaker. Could
23:01be the case. I wouldn't argue with that in any particular way. But philosophy is not fundamentally
23:08about the quality of its presentation. It's sort of like saying, well, physicist A is better looking
23:14than physicist B and is more charismatic. It's like, yes, but physics is not about looks and
23:18charisma. Physics is about the accuracy of your mathematical statements about the nature of matter
23:26and energy. So if you say he'd kick you into a cocked hat, then you have, oh, he's superior. He's
23:34better. And then you have a win lose mentality when it comes to philosophy, which means you don't
23:40understand philosophy. And I'm not saying this is true of Leonard Picoff, but I'm saying this is
23:44true of you without a doubt. So he'd kick me into a cocked hat. So what you're saying is I have
23:50fundamental errors that Leonard Picoff or someone like him would correct me on.
24:02So if I'm fundamentally wrong about something and Leonard Picoff can set me straight,
24:07why would that be being superior to me? Why would that be kicking me into a cocked hat,
24:12which is a phrase I don't really understand, but it sounds a little gay. So why would I lose out
24:18on someone correcting me? Why would I lose out if somebody corrects me? You know, as the old
24:24analogy goes, if I'm going to Vegas and you tell me, Hey man, this is the wrong way to Vegas.
24:29You're going to end up in Anchorage, Alaska. And I'm desperate to get to Vegas because I got a
24:32speech or something like that. And you tell me, Hey man, this is the wrong way to get to Vegas.
24:38Am I, have you won and I've lost? No, I get to go to Vegas. I mean, if somebody corrects me
24:43on something that I'm wrong about, how is that being superior to me or kicking me into a cocked
24:47hat? If, I mean, I've constantly, what do I say every time I do a live stream, corrections,
24:52issues, you know, people who disagree with me get to the front of the queue for talking to me. I'm
24:58constantly inviting people to come in and debate and correct me. I can't do it all myself. And
25:03corrections are fantastic when it comes to philosophy, right? It's a collective concept.
25:08It's why I do live streams and have conversations with people all the time. And of course you hear
25:12me all the time say in call-in shows, if I've got this right, if I'm characterizing this correctly.
25:17And so, and I say to people, don't ever take my theories over your life. Or I say, is this the
25:22right way to characterize this person? You know them infinitely better than I do. I'm constantly
25:26seeking for correction and course correcting to make sure that I maintain accuracy. So this
25:32two-bit gunslinger bullshit about how I'm somehow going to lose if someone corrects me on an error
25:38is, it's really sad. And it's pitiful, really. I mean, it's really pathetic that you would think
25:44that I would somehow lose if I was corrected by someone about an error. I mean, I've done
25:50countless debates and had conversations, had people criticize me continually.
25:57When have I ever objected to that? When have I ever been petty or vengeful if I've been proven
26:01wrong about something? I'm usually apologetic and spread the message and work to improve.
26:07So this idea, well, he's superior to you and he beat you. And it's like,
26:11well, if you're a follower of Leonard Picoff, then he's obviously failed to instruct you on
26:16something, right? So if you're a follower of Leonard Picoff, sorry, I've just got a little
26:22wasp here. Actually, it seems like a rather biplaney wasp, the red baron with a stinger.
26:28So if you are a follower of Leonard Picoff and you think philosophy is win-lose and people get
26:36kicked into a cocked hat and he's superior and he'd beat me and he'd humiliate me,
26:42he'd own me, he'd destroy me. Either he's failed to explain to you what philosophy is
26:48or he's explained it to you and you don't understand it at all. Philosophy is win-win.
26:53Philosophy is win-win. If you get corrected, you're better off. If I'm taking some medicine
27:02that's essential, like I've got some infection and I got to take some antibiotics, right?
27:06And I'm taking some medicine and my wife says, oh, no, those are vitamins. That's not your medicine,
27:10right? Have I lost? No. It means that my infection doesn't spread and I don't get
27:16sepsis and lose a finger or something, right? If somebody corrects me about something I'm
27:20wrong about, I don't lose, I win. I win. I don't know. We both win. So I don't know the idea that
27:27this is some sort of wrestling thing where someone wins and someone loses and they own you
27:33and destroy you and kick you into a cocked hat. I mean, you just, you don't understand philosophy
27:37at all. And so if you follow Leonard Picoff, and this is your view of philosophy, and he's
27:44accurately made this impression on you, then he's terrible at that. And if you claim to follow
27:51philosophy and Leonard Picoff has not told you any of this, but this is what you think,
27:55then you don't understand philosophy and you don't really follow what Leonard Picoff says,
27:58or anyone who's got any sense for that matter. So, I mean, I just find this win-lose shit,
28:05this owned and destroyed and wrecked and schooled and, you know, it's like, it's just that. It's
28:12just this aggressive win-lose, I win and you lose. Now that's appropriate to abuse and violence.
28:20But philosophy is the opposite of abuse and violence. Philosophy is win-win. It is all of us
28:26thrashing and exploring our way to the truth, to virtue, to reason, to happiness, to love,
28:32to consistency, to integrity, to courage, and to making the world a better place.
28:36One syllogism, argument, person, and interaction at a time.
28:40It's a team project. And is it really bad if one team member says to another team member,
28:48here's how we can all win better? No, not at all. Not at all.
28:57If you're in a relay team and one team member says, I found this stretch that totally prevents
29:02us from cramping up. And he shares this with his teammates, has he owned and destroyed
29:07up? And he shares this with his teammates, has he owned and destroyed his teammates?
29:11Has he kicked them into a cocked hat? No. He's sharing that which helps the team achieve the
29:16goal as a whole. And the goal of our collective endeavor is to define the truth and find a way
29:24to live it. If I'm corrected on something, I will receive that correction with great thanks,
29:30even from some jerk who thinks he's kicked me into a cocked hat. Whatever that means,
29:34I'd still appreciate the, I mean, if I'm taking vitamins instead of life-saving medicine and
29:40somebody says, you're taking vitamins, idiot. It's like, okay, well, I don't appreciate the
29:46idiot thing, but I certainly appreciate the fact that you're saving my life by telling me
29:50that I'm taking the wrong pills. So yeah, I'm so like, you don't understand philosophy
29:56and you think it's win-lose and you probably, I mean, if Leonard Peikoff doesn't argue for that,
30:02then you should probably stop dropping his name because you're making him
30:06and you look absolutely terrible. So just look into your own history. Why do you think that
30:11it's win-lose? He's superior. He'd wreck you. He'd kick you into a cocked hat and so on.
30:16That's just the footprint left by the massive dinosaur bones of verbal abuse as a child.
30:22Verbal abuse is win-lose. Philosophy is win-win. And as long as you're talking this kind of way,
30:28no quality person is going to want to spend any time with you and nobody's going to really want
30:31to interact with you who has any sense at all. Thanks everyone a million fold for your
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