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00:00First of all, tell me, is today's Jalsa, Takht-e-Lahore, a failure or a success?
00:06Look, in general, the government doesn't care about the Jalsas.
00:11One day's Jalsa, one day's activities are over.
00:14But the problem is that this Jalsa took place after 16 months in Punjab.
00:19And the second thing is that the current government is so stuck in Form 47
00:25and its moral status is so weak
00:27that whenever a normal political activity starts, their feet start shaking.
00:33Their legs start shaking.
00:35So this is the problem.
00:37For example, today you see that the Jalsa was a failure,
00:40then you should have allowed the television to show it.
00:43If the Jalsa was a failure, then you wouldn't have to do seven press conferences.
00:48So the problem is that the government, and then yesterday you allowed a total of 15 hours.
00:54You held a Jalsa in Kana Mandi, which is about 35 km from Lahore.
01:00You didn't allow it in Minar-e-Pakistan.
01:02So all the actions of the government are based on fear.
01:07If they had allowed it in Minar-e-Pakistan, then what would have happened?
01:11If they had allowed the television to run, then what would have happened?
01:14And you didn't do your press conferences.
01:16I remember, Mr. Mazia, Mr. Abshin told me,
01:19that this is a party of sedition.
01:21According to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Jadid, it is known that they break things everywhere.
01:24People couldn't gather today because the people of Lahore rejected them.
01:28No, but the people of Lahore gathered.
01:30Thousands of people gathered 35 km away.
01:33And the KPK people couldn't reach.
01:35So only the people of Westi Punjab were there.
01:38Look, there is no debate on this.
01:41The consensus that has come in Pakistan on Imran Khan,
01:46that has never happened after Muhammad Ali Jinnah.
01:49Isn't this a very big claim?
01:51No, no.
01:52We have just seen the 8th February election.
01:54Mr. Bhutto's election did not have the same results as Imran Khan's.
02:00Imran Khan was in jail, the entire party leadership was in jail,
02:03no one was allowed to fight the election,
02:05an election between the worst sedition and barbarism.
02:09You know the election of 1970, right?
02:11It was supposed to be one of the freest elections.
02:13And the people who have expressed their belief in Imran Khan,
02:18there is no debate on that.
02:20I just want to say that the government's reaction,
02:25their problem is to be trapped in 1947,
02:29which is not a moral situation.
02:31So any normal political activity will destroy the government.
02:34Okay, here you have talked about the CMKPK,
02:37that they couldn't reach.
02:38Why couldn't they reach?
02:39They knew that the Jalsa is from 3 to 6.
02:42They also knew that the administration will be very strict on this matter.
02:45It will be a 6-hour journey from the KPK,
02:47it will be a 7-hour journey.
02:48If they would have left at 6 in the morning,
02:49they would have reached by 12 or 1 in the morning.
02:51With hurdles.
02:52Do you think it was by design or by mistake?
02:54There can only be two things.
02:55Either they went late, or they wanted to reach late.
02:59What do you think?
03:00There can only be two things.
03:01Is it possible that they don't want to reach?
03:03Why?
03:04Because I think that the complaints that have been raised since the last Jalsa,
03:09the complaints that have been raised since the last Jalsa,
03:13such complaints have not been raised.
03:16And there were no direct attacks on the establishment.
03:21So I think that it is possible.
03:24And there is no harm in it.
03:26If they have gone late according to a strategy,
03:28and they have decided to keep the temperature low,
03:32then this is also a good thing.
03:34And they have reached.
03:35Khawaja Asif and Atta Tarar were saying that
03:37they should cross the Attock Bridge.
03:39And they did.
03:40They reached Lahore.
03:42They gave a speech.
03:43And they did not raise any complaints.
03:45So I think it is a win-win strategy.
03:46What is the problem?
03:47So you think that this strategy is also becauseā¦
03:50I don't know.
03:51If this was also under the Maslihat,
03:53then why?
03:54Didn't they want to say anything harsh?
03:56Or that demand,
03:58in those approximately 40 points,
04:00that first they will apologize?
04:01It was like that.
04:02It was a joke.
04:03It is possible that because of apologizingā¦
04:04No.
04:05They gave a speech.
04:06They gave a speech.
04:07They gave a speech to a few people outside.
04:09There were only a few people outside.
04:10But they did not let KPK people cross.
04:12They brought them from so far.
04:13And they could not reach on time at the Jalsa.
04:15No.
04:16KPK people,
04:17wherever you take them,
04:18they will go for Imran Khan.
04:19They feel happy.
04:20Who comes with them?
04:21Actually,
04:22the issue is that
04:23what is the advantage of PTI at the moment?
04:25The people who are attached to Imran Khan,
04:27they don't have to make so much effort
04:29to gather people.
04:31Nawaz Sharif,
04:32Zardari,
04:33Maryam Nawaz,
04:35Bilawal Bhutto,
04:36even if they gather half of the Jalsa
04:38in Minar-e-Pakistan,
04:40then you will not change my name.
04:42By the way,
04:43can it be said about today's Jalsa
04:44that a community should gather half of the Jalsa?
04:46Yes.
04:47Absolutely.
04:48They should do it.
04:49Nawaz Sharif,
04:50Maryam Nawaz,
04:51Zardari and Bilawal,
04:52all four of them should gather and do it.
04:53Is it a challenge from your side?
04:54Yes.
04:55No one can do it.
04:56They cannot get out of their situation.
04:58At the moment,
04:59it is difficult for a common man to get out of it.
05:02You see,
05:03Nawaz Sharif goes to Nathia Gali.
05:05Probably,
05:06this is not their priority right now.
05:08What is the Jalsa for the government?
05:09The people are not the priority.
05:11What about the people?
05:12They have not come because of the people.
05:14We are legislating for the people.
05:17All the MNAs of the Noon League,
05:19at least the people of my Jhelum,
05:21and the rest,
05:22they all tell me that
05:23if we call them,
05:24they will say that
05:25we have not brought your vote.
05:27You are putting the MNAs of your Jhelum
05:30and MPAs here
05:31so that they can talk about it.
05:33I think the rest of the people are in the same situation.
05:36There is a senior officer,
05:38he is a commissioner.
05:39I told him that
05:40people say that
05:41you do not listen to the MNAs and MPAs.
05:44He told me that
05:45there are 70,000 people coming.
05:47I do not feel like disrespecting them.
05:50I will leave it at that.
05:52But he says that
05:53we are legislating for the people.
05:55We are revising the constitution.
05:57For the welfare of the people,
06:00we are making the Supreme Court for the people
06:02and taking the Constitutional Court aside.
06:04Basically,
06:05they have taken the judiciary as a fortress
06:08which needs to be conquered.
06:10And they think that
06:11until we do not make the judiciary
06:13a third party,
06:15until we do not eliminate
06:17even the smallest element of freedom,
06:20this is a PCO.
06:22This is not a constitution.
06:24They are bringing a PCO
06:26to get rid of
06:27the judges who are not with them.
06:29Simple.
06:30And even if they do,
06:31what difference does it make?
06:32This is not something new.
06:34During the PTI,
06:35there were record ordinances.
06:37There was an ordinance factory.
06:39Ordinances are a different thing.
06:41For example,
06:42there were FATF legislations.
06:44Mainly,
06:45there were ordinances.
06:46And that was a compulsion.
06:48And later,
06:49all of them were ratified by the parliament.
06:51Remember,
06:52they were not ratified.
06:53And none of them are so controversial.
06:55They are just changing the direction of the constitution.
06:57Such controversial legislations
06:59have never happened before.
07:01Pakistan,
07:02let alone the PTI,
07:03the 8th amendment,
07:05which was changed by General Zia-ul-Haq
07:07in 1973,
07:09if you want to draw this amendment
07:11in parallel,
07:12you can connect it to the 8th amendment.
07:15There is nothing else.
07:16This is a very good kind of blame.
07:19There is a reason for that.
07:21What are they doing?
07:22Basically,
07:23what is their one-liner?
07:24They are eliminating the Supreme Court
07:26and saying that
07:27since we cannot live without Qazi Faiz Issa,
07:30we will make him the head of the Constitutional Court.
07:33And we will appoint 5 judges
07:35who will appoint the next 5 judges
07:37along with the Prime Minister and Qazi Faiz Issa.
07:41Let me be the advocate of this.