Luis Picat fue uno de los diputados radicales que cambió su voto a favor del veto a la reforma jubilatoria.
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00:00Oh, he's young. You're young, Luis.
00:03He just left, Patricia.
00:06You're young. How old are you, Luis?
00:08No, I'm almost your age.
00:11No.
00:1250, 50.
00:13No, I'm much older than you.
00:14He looks younger.
00:15No, he looks younger, Picat.
00:16But he doesn't have canes.
00:17He doesn't have canes, Picat.
00:18Well, Picat is one of the five heroes or the five traitors,
00:23according to how you read it,
00:25one of the five fucking radicals, the one for Cordoba,
00:28who voted in favor of the veto.
00:30No, not me.
00:31Not, let's say, ending the presidential veto in retirement.
00:36Well, are you, I was going to say,
00:40are you a radical affiliate or are you formally expelled?
00:43How is that?
00:45I don't know.
00:46The truth is that I don't follow it.
00:47I understand that there is a kind of request for suspension
00:50that has not yet been approved.
00:53And well, there are other co-religions living
00:57appeal to that decision.
00:58Al-Assad, no.
00:59The truth is that I am not following it.
01:00You didn't go to Al-Assad.
01:02No, no, I stayed in Cordoba, I didn't go.
01:04And I tell you, I wouldn't like to be either a hero or a traitor.
01:08I think that what I did was a civic responsibility,
01:11that I had to do it.
01:12I don't consider myself a hero.
01:14Of course, less a traitor, because I've been more than,
01:17since the government started,
01:18I said that we were going to give him governability.
01:20And here in Cordoba, you know that our electorate,
01:24at least in our area,
01:2680% voted for my law.
01:28So I didn't expect more than that.
01:30What area of Cordoba are you from, Luis?
01:32I was a lieutenant of Jesus Maria,
01:34which is the area next to my voters.
01:36Ah, I've been to your festival three times,
01:38to the north, of course.
01:39Here is Yese, who says he is Cordoban from Arias.
01:42Ah, of course, he comes from the south.
01:44From the south.
01:45We don't have a tonada in the south, that's why they charge me.
01:47We have a tonada in Santa Fe.
01:49He says he is Cordoban.
01:50Almost from Buenos Aires.
01:51Yes, from Santa Fe, Buenos Aires, right?
01:53Yes, of course.
01:54Well, Luis, what did you originally vote for
01:57in the education project?
01:59Sorry, for the retirees.
02:02Well, I voted for half of the law,
02:06I voted for yes, positive,
02:08and the other half, I left the precinct,
02:10because in the middle, there was a change in the dictum,
02:13the dictum that the party had,
02:16ended up being modified,
02:19merging with the Kirchnerism, with UP.
02:22And well, from there came a debacle
02:24that neither education, nor the DNU of intelligence,
02:27everything that was with the Kirchnerism, I stopped voting for.
02:30Did you vote in favor of the DNU of the CIDE?
02:33We voted in favor of the DNU, yes.
02:36I mean, the question I ask you,
02:37to place us geographically politically,
02:39you are accompanying all the projects of the government.
02:43We are accompanying all projects
02:45that involve governability.
02:47That's right, except institutionally,
02:50we have proposed it to the government explicitly,
02:53sandpaper, public information,
02:56everything that exceeds that limit,
02:58we are not going to accompany.
02:59In other words, you are pressuring
03:01to modify the regulatory decree
03:04of interpretation of the Law and the Law of Information.
03:07Yes, we are accompanying, well,
03:09a religious corps too, Karina Banfield.
03:11Karina, Karina is working on the subject.
03:14And with respect to university funding,
03:16if there is veto?
03:18Well, I'm going to accompany the veto.
03:20I'm in a position in which we,
03:23from the Congress,
03:24we don't have to get involved in the parity
03:26of public employment,
03:28because that way we would have to get involved in airlines,
03:30we could get involved in health.
03:32The problem here is that
03:34it is not only the operational university funding,
03:37but we are getting involved in a regime
03:40and in a labor agreement
03:41where the Congress has no influence.
03:43Let's see, I was a mayor
03:45and I know what it is to manage resources.
03:48And it is the executive power
03:50who has to resolve the parity.
03:52Congressman, let's see,
03:54what does the, let's say,
03:56the Cordoban elector think
03:59of what you have done, let's say,
04:01in this support for the government and so on?
04:05We, particularly,
04:07I have received a lot of support
04:10and even more now with the issue of suspension
04:13of all the political arc
04:15and also of the common citizen, as I was telling you.
04:17I say the common citizen, the Cordoban elector.
04:20Think the same as you.
04:22But I have heard that they do not agree
04:25to support the whole veto,
04:27the issue, well, the university issue.
04:30Let's see, if you do a survey
04:32in any part of the country
04:35on such noble issues
04:37as health,
04:38as retirees,
04:41as, well, young people or children
04:43who are below poverty,
04:45no one is going to tell you to cut back.
04:47It is something even psychological.
04:50No one is going to stand up and tell you the truth.
04:54But when you put any one of them
04:57to manage the resources
04:59and say who they are going to give it to,
05:01well, there it is more difficult.
05:02Look, I was in an interview,
05:04I am from the agricultural sector,
05:06and there were some colleagues of yours
05:08who are in the agricultural sector
05:10and asked me about retirees,
05:11why do you cut back on retirees?
05:13When we continued the interview,
05:14he asked me,
05:15and when are we going to lower pensions?
05:17Well, but if we lower pensions,
05:18we can't pay retirees.
05:20So, do you realize that...
05:22Ah, about that, Luis.
05:23You have to take away the executive power.
05:25There are all kinds of rumors
05:26about the fact that in the budget
05:28it is highly estimated
05:30the collection by the field.
05:32You received complaints,
05:34you are in the agricultural sector,
05:35you are telling it,
05:37you received complaints from people
05:38linked to the field,
05:40to the production,
05:41of fear that increases pensions?
05:43Yes, yes, totally.
05:44In fact, we have made the pertinent complaint.
05:46To the government?
05:47Very important.
05:48This issue that is under the surface
05:50has been one of the topics of the week,
05:52as far as I remember.
05:53And what have you been told?
05:55Well, first, we have a calculation
05:57that there is an overestimation
05:59of between $1 billion and $2 billion
06:01if we take the government's response,
06:05which has to do with the fact
06:07that as we take 2023,
06:08which has been a dry year,
06:10where there was less collection,
06:12it impacts.
06:13But it does not double
06:15the amount of pensions
06:17because, precisely,
06:18international prices have fallen.
06:20I think there is an expectation
06:21of an increase or rebound in prices
06:24and possibly an overestimation,
06:26which we will be discussing
06:28in the budget.
06:29You would not vote for that.
06:31There is a partnership
06:33between the government
06:34and an increase in pensions.
06:35Which the government did not propose either.
06:37No, in fact,
06:38I led the protest in January
06:41in the Congress
06:42regarding the increase in taxes.
06:44And luckily we were able to achieve it
06:46and it did not increase.
06:47And that a soy dollar appears?
06:50Even less,
06:51because what the government told us,
06:54to the entire agricultural sector,
06:56that the steps to follow were
06:58to remove the country's taxes,
07:00unify the dollar,
07:02remove the SEPO,
07:03and then begin to reduce
07:05the retail taxes
07:06or export rights.
07:07I think that is the step.
07:09I tell you,
07:10to the agricultural sector
07:11to unify the dollar
07:13is a great step.
07:14And then it will be time
07:15to start lowering
07:16export rights.
07:17Luis, a pleasure.
07:18We will talk more.
07:19Well, no hero, no villain.
07:21No hero, no traitor.
07:23No hero, no villain.
07:24Sir, thank you.
07:25Greetings.
07:26Thank you, Fabian.
07:27Luis Picat,
07:28one of the five deputies
07:29who is in the PICOTA.
07:31Picota.
07:32I thought you were going
07:33to make that joke.
07:34No, no, no.
07:35Sometimes I make jokes.
07:36Picota, I was waiting for you.
07:38No, no, no.
07:39The issue is
07:40how you are going to assimilate
07:41the issue that they suspend him.
07:43He is very calm,
07:44he says he does not know
07:45how he is.
07:46No, well,
07:47but I mean,
07:48it is not pleasant
07:49that they suspend you.
07:50It seems to me
07:51that this is a mess,
07:52it is a mess,
07:53I do not even tell you.
07:54And well,
07:55the budget is 2023 or 2025?
07:57I am confused.
07:58No, it's 2025.
07:59And can't they be programmed
08:00for 2023?
08:01Yes.