" Jahan Bhi Jata Hon Karachi Ka Muqadma Zaroor Larta Hon," Murtaza Wahab
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00:00First of all, Mr. Nawaz, tell me, you had a very important columnist earlier,
00:04you are the mayor of Karachi, now you are also present in these constitutional matters.
00:09You are present in Islamabad, you are present in Karachi.
00:11What is going on over here? First tell me this.
00:14In the name of Allah, most Gracious, most Merciful.
00:17I am a member of the Pakistan People's Party, I am an employee of the Pakistan People's Party.
00:21I am a lawyer by profession, I have studied law.
00:25So naturally, in different capacities, I also support the party,
00:30I am also a part of the party's consultation process.
00:34I was present in Islamabad regarding a meeting,
00:38and then this discussion also came,
00:41so the leadership of the People's Party also discussed with me,
00:44also got input from me.
00:45That is why I was present there regarding the legal matters.
00:51Okay, so you are a lawyer by profession, you have also corrected the legal and constitutional matters.
00:57But the responsibility you have as the mayor of Karachi is also very big,
01:00and it is not that all the matters of Karachi have been solved.
01:03So diverting your attention will not be unfair to Karachi, Mr. Murtaza Wahab?
01:10Time will tell whether it will be unfair or not.
01:14At times, you have to go to Islamabad in a lot of matters,
01:18there are a lot of Karachi projects in which you need the help of the federal government.
01:23And I was also telling you off the record,
01:25I will say it again on record,
01:27that when I met the Prime Minister,
01:29I mentioned the Karachi projects,
01:32how to expedite K4,
01:35how to improve the gas issues in Karachi,
01:38and how to improve the overall development portfolio of the federal government in Karachi.
01:45So the case of Karachi is in my heart, in my tongue,
01:48and wherever I go, I fight the case of Karachi.
01:51So basically you came to meet the Prime Minister,
01:54to talk about the rights of Karachi,
01:56the promises of the federal government of the past,
01:59you wanted them to be fulfilled,
02:01and that is why you came,
02:02and by chance this situation was going on,
02:04and you were called for legal consultation, is that correct?
02:07I came to meet my leadership, to meet Mr. Bilawal,
02:11and the Prime Minister also went to meet him,
02:14because we have a lot of issues that pertain to Islamabad,
02:18which we cannot solve sitting in Karachi.
02:20And we take our leadership on board,
02:23how we need their help on a loyal level in the parliament,
02:27so that you can streamline those matters and solve them.
02:31Okay, Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has said this,
02:34while talking yesterday,
02:36that there were some issues,
02:38which he mentioned in this conversation,
02:41some issues of give and take,
02:43and in the situation of give and take,
02:46were there any issues of Karachi as well, Mr. Murtaza Wahab?
02:52See, the People's Party does issue-based politics.
02:56The Pakistan People's Party stands with the democracy,
02:59with the constitution, with the parliament,
03:02and our perspective is that,
03:04how you can serve the people,
03:06how you can solve the problems of the people.
03:09We do not believe in bargaining.
03:11We believe that the source of power is the people,
03:14and to serve the people,
03:16the character of any minister,
03:18who needs to lead in a conscious manner,
03:20that is done by the Pakistan People's Party,
03:22and Mr. Bilawal does it as well.
03:24In the situation of give and take,
03:26the Pakistan People's Party does not believe.
03:28No, but he said that in this conversation,
03:30the things that we had to convince,
03:32were convinced.
03:33Please shed some light on that, Mr. Murtaza Wahab.
03:35What were the things that were ultimately
03:37brought to the table and given?
03:40Give and take might not be the correct word.
03:43Call it negotiation.
03:46Let me explain it to you.
03:48In 2006, this principle of the Pakistan People's Party
03:51was written in the Charter of Democracy.
03:55The People's Party thought that
03:58there should be constitutional courts in Pakistan,
04:01there should be constitutional courts of loyalty.
04:03And when the martyred Respected Benazir Bhutto
04:05signed the Charter of Democracy with Mian Nawaz Sharif
04:08in March 2006,
04:11at that time, it was sealed
04:14that these two political parties
04:17will play their role in the constitution
04:20of the constitutional courts of loyalty.
04:22And later on, Imran Khan had also
04:25signed this document.
04:28Then in 2024, when Bilawal Sahib
04:30issued his election manifesto,
04:33in that manifesto, in the election manifesto,
04:36it is categorically mentioned that
04:38the Pakistan People's Party
04:40believes in establishing federal constitutional courts
04:43or constitutional courts.
04:45And it would like to establish them
04:47if it gets the opportunity.
04:49So, Bilawal Sahib is saying,
04:51conveying the point that
04:53our perspective from the time of Bibi Sahiba
04:55was that in this country,
04:57the big political cases,
04:59the big legal cases,
05:01which do not pertain to a common man,
05:03at times, take away the authority.
05:05That is, if there is a legal case
05:07going on in the Supreme Court,
05:09then your dispute,
05:11or someone's military case,
05:13someone's bail case,
05:14someone's commercial corporate dispute,
05:16someone's property dispute,
05:18then that case is not heard.
05:20Then your high profile...
05:22You are talking about the Charter of Democracy
05:24that was signed on May 14.
05:26I understand what you are saying.
05:28But this point was already
05:30added by the government.
05:32There were 56 points in it.
05:3453 out of 56 were left.
05:36So, this point was already added
05:38that there should be a court
05:40which is a constitutional court.
05:42Anika, I did not see any final draft.
05:44The one that is circulating in the media
05:46I do not know if it is correct or not.
05:48As a translator of the People's Party,
05:50as a worker of the People's Party,
05:52I can tell you the perspective
05:54of the People's Party.
05:56The People's Party thinks
05:58that there should be a constitutional court
06:00in this country so that the important
06:02constitutional matters
06:04can be solved by the court.
06:06And the remaining cases
06:08that pertain to a common man
06:10can be solved by your Sessions Court,
06:12Civil Court, High Court, Supreme Court
06:14so that people can get
06:16cheap, legal and fair justice.
06:18And the important
06:20constitutional matters can also be solved.