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00:00Sir, you are getting a lot of love from Maulana sir these days.
00:04It's our old love.
00:06It's not that old.
00:10What is Maulana saying?
00:12The kind of statement Maulana has given today,
00:15his view on this legislation,
00:18will Maulana stay here, or do you think
00:21he will have some dealings with the government?
00:24No, I think today, for the category
00:27of government legislation,
00:30he has abandoned it.
00:33And the discussion that took place,
00:36interestingly, is Mr. Khokhar sitting with you?
00:39Yes, Mr. Khokhar is sitting.
00:41Because he gave a very good logic.
00:44First of all, the People's Party has one legislation,
00:47Jamiat-e-Islam has another legislation,
00:50and interestingly, the legislation
00:53that was given to Asad Meghan was completely different.
00:56What he was doing,
00:59what he was saying,
01:02he thought it would be done in the dark of the night.
01:05It would be done in a jiffy.
01:08So you are saying that he showed something to someone,
01:11told someone something else, and explained something else to someone else.
01:14Yes, absolutely.
01:17So it's good that Maulana sir worked with logic,
01:20and handled the situation with wisdom.
01:23Look, in every situation,
01:26we do not consider it legitimate.
01:29We are sitting with Mr. Khokhar,
01:32but we do not consider it legitimate.
01:35We are sitting in such a protest,
01:38and we think that he does not have the authority
01:41to make any amendment.
01:44But the government is saying that this amendment will come again in October.
01:47How are you stopping Maulana?
01:50There is no guarantee that Maulana will be in favor of this amendment next time.
01:53First tell me, are you against the Constitutional Court?
01:56Look, today,
01:59we have often denied it.
02:02In this, A, B, C, whatever Maulana has said today,
02:05and we have also said that
02:08we deny the entire constitution.
02:11Number two, we have also decided that
02:14whatever amendment comes,
02:17we will participate in it,
02:20and after participation,
02:23we will give our opinion on it collectively.
02:26And whatever the opposition does,
02:29it will respond collectively.
02:32So now Maulana and PTI will have the same opinion.
02:35Either they will make you Ram, or you will make them Ram.
02:38Look, we have categorically said that,
02:41and we have told our lawyers
02:44and all the lawyers in the market,
02:47to tell us more about it.
02:50Maulana has also told his people.
02:53And then we try to have a legal working relationship.
02:56So that our legal experts
02:59can give us their input on it.
03:02Okay. Thank you very much, Mr. Asit Kaisar.
03:05Mr. Nawaz Bappi, obviously, your party is standing, whatever it is doing.
03:08Where do you see the matter going?
03:11Will the constitution be amended?
03:14Because they are saying that it will come back in October.
03:17And it is also being discussed with Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaf.
03:20I seek refuge in Allah from the accursed Satan. In the name of Allah.
03:23No, we are not discussing anything.
03:26This is a totally fabricated figure.
03:29Look, Mr. Kaisar, there are only two issues.
03:32One, the way it was, I mean, no one has any objection to it.
03:35You want to make an amendment, do it.
03:38But this amendment, this process, it had two big issues.
03:41One was the process, the way it was run,
03:44there were very strange grey areas.
03:47Meaning, night and day, day and night.
03:50You have to get it passed at midnight.
03:53Look, I asked a guy from Noon League,
03:56I said, why do we have ten people?
03:59He said, if Maulana doesn't agree, your people won't agree.
04:02I said, they are our PTI people.
04:06Sir, our system has reached the point where
04:09you don't even ask on the phone how many PTI people are there.
04:12They just tell you the number.
04:15I asked a Noon League minister.
04:18I said, leave our people,
04:21they will come when the amendment is passed.
04:24They had such a stubborn approach
04:27that if Maulana doesn't come, your people will come and vote.
04:30One, the process was so stupid.
04:33If you look at the whole amendment,
04:36I said in a talk show,
04:39you will either see a person or an agenda behind every amendment.
04:42You have to make a federal constitution court.
04:45Or you will see a stick.
04:48So you have to make someone the chief justice for three years.
04:51Then you have Article 17,
04:54if you want to ban a political party,
04:57or the free people who want to join the political forces,
05:00you will have to go to the constitutional court.
05:03You have to amend Article 63 that the vote will be counted,
05:06but the disqualification will also go to the constitutional court.
05:09You can transfer the judges of Islamabad High Court to different high courts
05:12so that Mosul becomes the capital of Islamabad.
05:15If a judge in Islamabad High Court has a foreign passport,
05:18he will not become the chief justice of Islamabad High Court.
05:21He will be transferred from Babur to Islamabad High Court.
05:24If there is a case in Islamabad High Court,
05:27he can be transferred to Islamabad High Court.
05:30After Article 63, you will see so many things everywhere.
05:33What is happening?
05:36So many things.
05:39Let me tell you a joke.
05:42A man went to a fair and his pocket was cut off.
05:45When he came back, his wife asked him what happened.
05:48He said that the whole fair was set up to cut off my pocket.
05:51The whole fair is being set up for one person.
05:54This is what I am thinking.
05:57Increasingly, the whole fair is being set up for one person.
06:00I don't think it is done for a specific person.
06:03I think it is done so that people do not come to the fair.
06:06They can't come.
06:09Kashi bhai, tell me one thing.
06:12Let's discuss this further after taking a break.
06:15Please tell.
06:18I am going to make an amendment to Article 8.
06:21I have read in one of the drafts that if you talk against an institution or if you are in the vicinity of an institution, you can get a military trial from a civilian.
06:33This was where Maulana and Bilawal were tipped off.
06:38So you should be careful when you go near the election commission in Pakistan.
06:42Imran Khan will be the target.
06:52So everything is an amendment.
06:54I have read the entire draft.
06:56Believe it or not, out of these 50, 48 things, apart from the establishment of Balochistan, which is being done from 1951 to 1963, apart from that, in everything,
07:04a bureaucrat can serve for 25-30 years, a judge can serve for 25-30 years, a journalist for 25-30 years.
07:11Why do you need to extend it for 3 years?
07:13Why are you doing it?
07:14Extend it for 3 more years.
07:15Even after retirement, they have to do it the same way.
07:18In Nadira's chair, everyone does everything.
07:20You don't need to extend it like this.
07:22Let me take a break, sir. Listen to me.
07:23You will find it person specific.
07:25If you didn't need it, why did you do it?
07:28You are right.
07:30Let's take a break.
07:32Everyone does everything.
07:35But when someone else is doing it, everyone has a problem.