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00:00How many affidavits do you have? Do you have 41 affidavits?
00:05Please correct us on record. Do you have 41 affidavits?
00:10I think there are 41 or at least 40.
00:14I have some doubts about one.
00:16But I have no doubts about 40.
00:1940 affidavits have been submitted.
00:20About whom do you have doubts?
00:24About whom do you have doubts?
00:27I have some doubts about one.
00:29But I have no doubts about 40.
00:31I have no doubts about 40.
00:33Sir, do you have an affidavit of Mubarak Zeb who circulated some names?
00:37Because most probably he will vote on the other side.
00:40And since he is independent, I have seen on his website.
00:44So most probably you don't have an affidavit of him?
00:48No, see these are the people who are beyond those 41.
00:53The Supreme Court had said that there are 41 members who submit an affidavit.
00:58And the PTI accepts that affidavit.
01:01So they will be considered as the MNA of the PTI.
01:04So those 41 are on one side.
01:06These names that are circulating, apart from that there are 8 people who do not come in the list of those 41.
01:14Nor do they come in the first list which is a list of 39 or 49.
01:19These are the people who include Warrister Gauhar, Umar Ayub Khan, Ali Asghar Khan.
01:24These are the people.
01:26These names are being circulated.
01:28And I am sure that this will also be proven wrong.
01:31This will not happen.
01:33There are 8 people in total.
01:35I have counted 3 of them.
01:37Warrister Gauhar himself, Umar Ayub Khan and Ali Asghar Khan.
01:41Now the issue is that those 41, the government says we consider them free.
01:45You have their affidavit.
01:47There will be a legal divorce on them.
01:51But these 8 people are declared independent.
01:54So if they vote on them as per their wish.
01:57Anyone can vote. I am not taking names.
01:59These are up for grabs.
02:01So will there be a divorce of 63 or 64 on them?
02:04Because the government probably needs 2 or 3 votes.
02:07They say they need 2.
02:09So if anyone is on this list, then there will be floor-closing.
02:14Look, I don't want to talk too much.
02:17These are assumptions.
02:19You can make assumptions.
02:21What will happen if 8 of 8 break?
02:23What will happen if 2 break?
02:25We don't know about Maulana at all.
02:27The talks we have had with him, the meetings we have had.
02:30I think he understands history.
02:32He understands politics.
02:34He knows where he is standing at the moment.
02:37In Pakistan's historical journey.
02:39So I don't think that the government's wish
02:41regarding Maulana will be fulfilled.
02:43I will come to that as well.
02:45I am saying this because they need 2 or 3 votes.
02:47Let's see where Maulana goes.
02:49So is this a list of both?
02:51No, no. They need 2 or 3 votes on this assumption.
02:53I will tell you.
02:55They are talking about 2 or 3 votes.
02:57They are doing it on the assumption that
02:59they have already got 8 votes for JUI.
03:01This is their wish.
03:03If they don't get these 8, then...
03:05I am not asking for more votes.
03:07I am just trying to understand the fine point.
03:09If you have the affidavit,
03:11you can get a divorce of 63-64.
03:13If you have these 8 people,
03:15you can get a divorce of 63-64.
03:17I am trying to understand the legal point.
03:19Not 63-64, but 63-A.
03:21You can't get a divorce of 63-A on independence.
03:23You can't get a divorce of 63-A on independence.
03:25You can't get a divorce of 63-A on these 8 people.
03:27If we talk about Maulana,
03:29we will meet him after a while.
03:31The government is very confident.
03:33They are saying that the negotiation
03:35between Maulana and the government
03:37to increase the age of Maulana
03:39will be shaved off.
03:41to increase the age of Maulana
03:43will be shaved off.
03:45They are very confident about Maulana.
03:47They have given assurance.
03:49They have talked to him on a tactical level.
03:53We will see why I am going.
03:55The first aim of all this was
03:57that the current Chief Justice
03:59should be allowed to work.
04:01should be allowed to work.
04:03should be allowed to work.
04:05If he does not work,
04:07and then he makes a second
04:09or third request to Maulana,
04:11and then he makes a second request to Maulana,
04:13and then he makes a second request to Maulana,
04:15then that is a different matter.
04:17I don't see his first aim
04:19being successful or accepted.
04:21I don't see his first aim being successful or accepted.
04:23We will see all the other things.
04:25When the evidence will come,
04:27then Maulana's reaction
04:29or the reaction of the JUI will be clear.
04:31I don't think that the JUI
04:33or Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman
04:35will have the power
04:37to appoint
04:39any of the five judges
04:41as the Chief Justice.
04:43Your institution will be completely
04:45deprived of the Supreme Court.
04:47We know that when the greed of a position
04:49or a shine comes in front of someone,
04:51it is unfortunate.
04:53On every level, people
04:55become a victim of that desire.
04:57become a victim of that desire.
04:59I don't think we should do this
05:01to the extent that
05:03the five senior judges
05:05should be told that
05:07the Prime Minister will be the Chief Justice.
05:09The ability to think,
05:11understand and decide
05:13should be left independent.
05:15It should not be subject
05:17to any restrictions.
05:19I don't think Maulana will agree to this.
05:21You will see that when the decision
05:23will be made,
05:25Maulana will understand
05:27at what point in history
05:29the politics of the Jamaat
05:31is based.
05:33I think this will be disloyal
05:35to Pakistan's constitution
05:37and judicial system.
05:39I am sure he will not disloyal.