In this episode, I examine conspiracy theories, focusing on chemtrails as a case study for critical analysis. I pose three vital questions: Is the theory provable? Can it be affected? Is it more important than pressing issues like child abuse? Although chemtrails highlight environmental concerns, I argue that urgent matters affecting vulnerable populations take precedence.
Drawing from my background in business analysis, I emphasize the necessity of prioritizing real ethical dilemmas over abstract theories. I also discuss the Universal Proof of Bonafide (UPB) framework, which challenges personal moral inconsistencies and societal norms. Ultimately, I urge listeners to confront these issues and reflect on the ethical implications of their choices, especially regarding the welfare of our children.
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Drawing from my background in business analysis, I emphasize the necessity of prioritizing real ethical dilemmas over abstract theories. I also discuss the Universal Proof of Bonafide (UPB) framework, which challenges personal moral inconsistencies and societal norms. Ultimately, I urge listeners to confront these issues and reflect on the ethical implications of their choices, especially regarding the welfare of our children.
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00:00Good morning, everybody. Hope you're doing well. Okay, questions from freedomain.locals.com. Great community. Hope you will join. Are chemtrails real?
00:10Well, I don't know. I don't know. I get a lot of theories in my inbox. Of course, I see a lot of theories online.
00:18And I try to focus on an analysis of theories and ideas and arguments that goes along something like this.
00:28Is it objectively provable? Can I do something about it? Is it of more importance than child abuse?
00:36Or say, I don't know, the national debt or bad education or propaganda and brain programming of the young and so on.
00:45And so the chemtrails is the argument that bad chemicals are being sprayed from airplanes over populations.
00:54Now, I mean, some of this is just confusion about what it means for there to be vapor trails in the high atmosphere.
01:00But is it something I can objectively verify myself? It is not. Is it something that I can do something about? It is not.
01:09Is it something that is of higher importance than child abuse? It is not.
01:14So I tend not to spend a lot of time and energy in these things. And this is just a mortality thing.
01:21So unprovable theories generally have to do with the sense of immortality.
01:27And they have to do with the sense of, well, I have forever and ever amen with which to spend my precious intellectual, moral and willpower time on this planet.
01:40I tend to prioritize, you know, this is the old thing I talked about with regards to the non-aggression principle.
01:45If you care about the non-aggression principle, then you must sort actions in the world that violate the non-aggression principle according to two standards.
01:54Number one, the most prevalent. Number two, that you can do the most about.
01:57What is the most prevalent violation of the non-aggression principle that you can do the most about?
02:03And of course, that is harm against children. That is spanking. That is various kinds of neglect and abuse.
02:10So that is what you do. Now, what is the greatest? Obviously, spraying chemicals on people would be a violation of the non-aggression principle.
02:20Is it the most prevalent, the most certain that I can do the most about?
02:25The most certain in that we know for a fact that spanking children is a violation of the non-aggression principle, that it is incredibly widespread,
02:33that the vast majority of parents engage in this or other forms of physical aggression against their children.
02:39So is it the most prevalent, the most certain that I can do the most about?
02:45And clearly, that's child abuse. This is not something that's just a little pet project of mine.
02:51This isn't some weird fetish. This is just the result.
02:53And I mean, I hate to sort of be the annoying business guy.
02:57But in the business world, you know, a SWOT analysis, strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats, prioritization.
03:04I wrote entire computer programs to help giant corporations prioritize their business and health and safety and environmental and profit-based objectives.
03:15I was involved in software that attempted to tell businesses through a wide variety of metrics what their most profitable products were so they could spend more time on them.
03:25I was involved in software that helped prioritize all maintenance, upcoming maintenance in large real estate portfolios.
03:36I wrote software directly that helped people prioritize health and safety and environmental issues relative to profitability and productivity.
03:45So I'm just really, really knowledgeable.
03:48It's just one of these annoying things. There's tons of stuff I don't know about.
03:51As far as prioritization goes, that was a lot of my career was defining, programming, creating, and sharing the metrics on how to prioritize.
04:01So I just have, oh gosh, I mean, a decade-plus direct business experience on prioritization.
04:09So I just know prioritization inside and out, backwards and forwards, and it's tough to beat me on that.
04:18I mean, you beat me on a bunch of things, but it's pretty tough to beat me on rational prioritization of objectives relative to a goal.
04:25So if the goal is to have people that understand and enact the non-aggression principle, well, there's not much you can do about foreign policy, not much you can do about money printing, not much you can do about interest rates, not much you can do about other forms of aggression.
04:43But you sure as hell can do something both if you have children and everybody knows somebody who has children in your community, and even if you don't know anyone who has children, you can still spread the word in the community about spanking and child abuse.
04:57And the fact that people avoid that stuff is, well, it's beyond suspicious.
05:02It means that it's mostly nonsense.
05:03They want to talk about the things they can't affect because they don't want to provoke any evildoers.
05:10See, you have free speech as long as you can't affect change.
05:13You have free speech as long as you don't interfere with the objectives and goals and actions of any immoral people.
05:21You can yap away as much as you want as long as you can't actually change anything.
05:27And as you'll sort of notice, this is a glorious decade of 2006 to 2016 where free speech was actually a thing that got to be exercised.
05:35That was fine until the powers that be realized, oh no, free speech is actually changing things.
05:41Shut it down, right?
05:43So it's got to be canceled, right?
05:45That's just the nature of the beast.
05:47So evil people in the world, they don't mind if you're yapping about things that you can't change and all of that.
05:54So if you want to go off on the JFK assassination, you want to go off on chemtrails, you want to go off on all of this stuff, that's totally fine for them.
06:02Because what, 9-11 theories and so on, you can go off on all of that stuff because it doesn't change anything.
06:08It doesn't change anything.
06:10Well, I'm spreading awareness, okay, I get all of that.
06:13So you want to get the feeling that you're standing against people who do deeply immoral things.
06:20You want to get that feeling, but you don't want to actually interfere with the goals and objectives of any actually immoral people.
06:27I get that.
06:28I mean, everybody wants the fruits of virtue without the risks of virtue.
06:32Sure.
06:33Everybody wants to lose weight without feeling uncomfortable because you're hungry.
06:37Everybody wants to exercise without the discomfort of exercise.
06:41I get that.
06:42I mean, everybody wants the effect without the cause, and that's fine.
06:45That's fine.
06:46I mean, I want the effect of having a conversation with you without having to drive to your house.
06:50So I mean, I get all of that.
06:52That's fine.
06:53But just recognize it for what it is.
06:56So if you're spending a lot of time and energy on chemtrails and not on child abuse, I mean, it's a pose.
07:02It's posture, right?
07:04All right.
07:05How can I find your great old video about Egypt, its perpetual poverty, and it providing a high percentage of the daily bread for its population?
07:11As usual, FDRpodcasts.com.
07:15FDRpodcasts.com.
07:17All right.
07:19Oops, just dropped the paper.
07:22Bit of a short answer on the last one that didn't quite seem to answer the question fully.
07:27I think I may have done this one before, but I had another thought about it.
07:29So if I haven't, I'll give it.
07:31This is an addendum.
07:32Otherwise, it's a full answer.
07:33If UBB is true, it doesn't need more than one proof to establish that fact.
07:37It just needs one correct proof.
07:38Similarly, Jesus doesn't need four gospels.
07:41One is enough.
07:42The reason there are four of them is because they were written with different audiences in mind.
07:45Matthew for the Jews, Mark for the Gentiles, John for the Greeks, and Luke for those wanting a longer version.
07:50Similarly, I suppose there could be different versions of UBB for people who find the existing proof to be somewhat inaccessible or difficult to comprehend,
07:57but I suppose those people could also try listening to some of the debates you had about it.
08:01Perhaps they will find those more convincing.
08:03While it's certainly not necessary to have more than one proof for UBB to establish its truth value,
08:08I suppose it could, in fact, help convince some people who are deeply stuck,
08:12who are still stuck so deeply in unreality that they find the existing proof difficult to process.
08:18Some mathematical proofs also have several different proofs for them, even though one would completely suffice.
08:23I don't think it's impossible that someone might find a different proof for UBB that's more convincing or accessible
08:28to people who are having their trouble wrapping their minds around the original one,
08:31but that person would likely not be Steph.
08:33And, of course, finding such a proof wouldn't make UBB more true, but it might help convince more people.
08:37Right. Right.
08:39So, I'm actually listening to a biography of Jesus at the moment, so this is fairly timely.
08:46So, Jesus, of course, enacted a moral revolution in the world,
08:50probably one of the biggest, if not the biggest, moral revolutions that ever occurred.
08:54And how did he do it?
08:56Did he do it through debates, arguments, and syllogisms?
09:00Well, obviously, he debated with his elders and so on, but did he convince people with syllogisms,
09:06PowerPoints, graphs, charts, facts, data, and evidence?
09:11No.
09:12No, he convinced people because he was perceived to be, and eventually claimed to be,
09:19or accepted that he was the Son of God, who performed, depending on how you count it,
09:23between 18 and 20 substantial miracles, most of which in full sight of everyone.
09:30So, there was massive amounts of actual evidence, massive amounts of eyewitness proof,
09:36and people who said that they had been cured by Jesus.
09:40You know, he walked on water, he turned water into wine, he had the endless loaves and fishes,
09:44he healed people, he drove demons out of people into pigs and drove pigs off a cliff,
09:48which seems a little cruel to the pigs, but perhaps that's what's needed.
09:51And he manifested and fulfilled a wide variety of, obviously, pre-Christian predictions about the Messiah.
10:02So, that's, let's just say, putting a wee bit of a bump on your moral arguments.
10:10So, if I claimed to be right because I was divine, and then gave everybody irrefutable proof of my divinity,
10:20just to take a silly argument from my perspective, but if I said,
10:27I'm right, and the reason that you know I'm right is I can walk on water,
10:32and I have access to omnipotence and omniscience, I can turn water into wine,
10:38I can create endless loaves and fishes from the same container.
10:42If I performed verifiable, what would be considered violations of the laws of biology and physics,
10:49if I cured people, right, and not in a sort of hearsay way, but I was on video, you know,
10:58touching a man with no eyes, and his eyes regrew and he could see,
11:03if, well, then who would not accept my moral arguments, right?
11:07I mean, I wouldn't need to prove anything.
11:10So, comparing philosophy to theology is not fair, right?
11:16It's not fair, it's not reasonable, because in theology, you simply need to believe
11:23that the person is a manifestation of divine will, and then their moral arguments are accepted prima facie,
11:30like on the face of things, you don't need, right?
11:33Jesus was not Socrates, did not make syllogistical proof of his arguments.
11:38His proof was, if you accept that Jesus is divine, this is the basic syllogism, right?
11:44God is all-perfect, God is all-moral, God is all-good.
11:47If Jesus is the Son of God, then Jesus is all-moral, all-perfect, all-good.
11:53You don't need any arguments, because it is a matter of acceptance of virtue based upon divinity.
12:04So, the arguments that Jesus had were, obviously, amazing eloquence and charisma and so on, and presence,
12:14but his arguments were his miracles.
12:18His miracles proved that Jesus was in possession of divine access, divine grace,
12:25was the Son of God, the Messiah, the First Coming, and so on, right?
12:30And so, because he was those things, his moral arguments were accepted to be true.
12:35So, talking about the proof of moral arguments from a theological standpoint versus a moral, rational, philosophical standpoint
12:45is comparing apples to, I suppose, the opposite of apples.
12:50Because I'm an empirical, science-based rationalist, it's impossible for me,
12:56and I believe it's impossible, certainly, for, let's just say, non-divine creatures, mere mortals such as myself,
13:01it is impossible for us to provide miracles as substantive proof of our relationship to the divine,
13:09which embeds, by definition, not even by faith, because you've witnessed the actual miracles,
13:16it embeds the morals in the minds of the people through magic, through those amazing abilities, right?
13:24So, there is no comparison.
13:27Now, why do people have such a tough time with UPB?
13:31Well, because UPB fundamentally rewrites the moral contract of society
13:37to peace, reason, voluntarism, and the non-aggression principle,
13:40which overturns a lot of existing social structures and rewrites radically people's relationships
13:45to their society, to their schools, and to their families, their parents.
13:51It threatens relationships.
13:54If the relationships are bound on virtue and morality,
13:58then the relationships can not only be sustained but flourish through an understanding of UPB.
14:04But if the relationships are not based on virtue, if they're based on history, dominance, aggression,
14:09sexual attraction, and little else, and money, and resources, and shared history,
14:14and they're just the normal detritus, and momentum, and semi-sludge of circumstances,
14:21then UPB puts a lie to the statement, I love you,
14:27if the I love you, the object of I love you, and the person saying it are not virtuous.
14:32And then, if you say, UPB explains virtue to me,
14:36then you have to say before that you weren't virtuous.
14:39Or at least, if you were virtuous, you were accidentally virtuous.
14:42Like, if everybody ate what was good for them, you wouldn't need the science of nutrition.
14:49You wouldn't need nutritionists.
14:51Now, it could be the case that all the foods you like just happen to be the foods
14:55that are really, really good for you, but you still wouldn't understand nutrition.
14:58You would just be following your tastes.
15:00So, it is possible for people to be moral without UPB,
15:04but I would say not particularly consistently, and it would be such a rare thing.
15:08It would be like somebody whose taste buds just automatically guide them
15:12to the exact perfect food for themselves and their optimum health.
15:16That would not be the case.
15:18And it would certainly not be the case over the course of your life,
15:20because over the course of your life, you have to change your diet.
15:23Obviously, you need more calories when you're a teenager who's growing,
15:28particularly if you're a boy.
15:29As I get older, I need fewer and fewer calories to maintain the same weight,
15:34even though I maintain the same level of exercise.
15:37So, if you are someone who has claimed to be moral,
15:42and then it turns out you didn't understand morality,
15:44then the greatest vanity is the moral posture, right?
15:49Saying the true good without understanding virtue.
15:52It was very, very, very difficult for me to say,
15:57gee, I've been studying philosophy for 20 years, right?
16:00Give or take, right?
16:02Let's say mid-teens to early mid-30s.
16:05Just round it up a little, right?
16:0620 years is a nice round number.
16:08So, when I had to say to myself, I've been studying philosophy for 20 years,
16:13and I still don't have an irrefutable definition, understanding of,
16:18and proof of morality.
16:21I just don't.
16:23Well, that cratered everything, man.
16:25That cratered my romantic relationships.
16:27It cratered my friendships.
16:29It cratered my family relations to a large degree.
16:34It cratered my career as a software executive, an entrepreneur.
16:39Man, it's rough.
16:40I mean, it lands like a nuclear shadow detonation thing in your life.
16:47And, you know, it was very, very, very tough.
16:51And I don't know that there's any particular way to bypass that.
16:56You know, the first pill can cost $10 billion to make.
16:59The second pill might cost a dollar.
17:01And at least under the current system,
17:03there's no particular way to get over that $10 billion or $10 million
17:07or whatever it's going to be for the first pill.
17:09So, I can give you the fruits and products of my intellectual labors,
17:14but I can't do the journey to morality with you or for you.
17:21I can do it with you, but I can't do it for you.
17:24So, if I figured out how to lose weight,
17:26let's say I was some nutritionist hypothetically, right?
17:28If I figured out to lose weight, I can give you the fruits on how to lose weight.
17:31I can tell you how to lose weight.
17:33I can't lose the weight for you.
17:35If I figured out how to bulk up my traps in 10 easy exercises,
17:41I can share that information with you, but I cannot do the exercise for you.
17:45So, people avoid UPB or they static themselves about UPB
17:50because deep down, they instinctively understand that their lives
17:54will never be the same if they truly accept morality.
17:58It's the same thing with child abuse.
18:00So, you can go to a Thanksgiving dinner and you can yap about the dangers
18:04of the Federal Reserve and people, they might just roll their eyes a little bit,
18:07but, you know, it's just noise and nobody can do anything about it really.
18:10So, you can spread awareness, whatever that means, right?
18:13But if you say to people not there's this abstract system out there
18:18that violates the non-aggression principle, blah, blah, blah,
18:22but if you say you Aunt Ethel and Uncle Albert are violating
18:27the non-aggression principle by hitting your children,
18:29you are doing wrong, and I'm going to make you aware of that fact
18:33and I'm going to try to get you to change for the better.
18:38Well, that's a whole different matter, right?
18:39Now it's personal.
18:40Now it's action-based.
18:41Now it's real.
18:43And keeping philosophy from becoming real is really the goal of modern sophistry, right?
18:50This is the, you know, the people who are sort of pro-mass migration
18:54and then you say, you've seen these videos, I'm sure, right?
18:56People who are, should we take in more migrants or should we take in more refugees
19:01and people say, yes, yes, yes, and then they say, well, I have this guy,
19:05can he come live at your house?
19:06Oh, no, no, no, I don't have enough space, I'm going to be away,
19:09my roommate wouldn't like it, I don't have enough money, right?
19:12So from abstract to personal, everybody loves, and I've been there myself
19:17and I'm not, you know, it's not some big massive criticism,
19:19we're all in the same trenches together in that way,
19:22but everybody loves puffing out their chest about all their imaginary virtues
19:27but actually doing it, actually enacting those virtues in a practical, tangible way,
19:33well, that's a whole different thing.
19:35And so we're fed unactionable virtues
19:38or virtues that don't have any impact on our visceral lives.
19:43We're fed those so that we can feel good about ourselves
19:45and feeling good about ourselves through the pretense of virtue
19:49is one of the foundational aspects of human nature in the current system.
19:53We don't know what human nature is in a state of freedom
19:55but in the current system that we have.
19:57So if you understand the barriers to UPP in people's minds
20:03that it is probably going, and Jesus said this himself, right?
20:07He said, basically, if I'm going to come up with a moral system of universality, right?
20:13The prior ethical systems were to do with in-group preference, right?
20:16I owe moral standards to my people, my group.
20:21And Jesus said, no, the moral standards are universal
20:24and we should really focus on taking care of children
20:27and being kind and benevolent to children and moral standards are universal.
20:33Well, that was pretty rough and that's why Jesus said,
20:36my presence here, not I have come to, the way that I sort of read it is
20:40universal morality will set families against each other
20:45because the family claims to be moral but is in fact tribal, right?
20:49This is really, really important.
20:51The family claims to be moral but is in fact tribal
20:53and tribal is an in-group preference that does not partake of universal morality, right?
20:59It's, you know, like the sort of obviously philosophically ridiculous spectacle
21:03of people on one side of the stadium cheering on the blue team,
21:06my team is the best, my team is the good, my team is the greatest
21:09and then people on the other side on the red team saying,
21:12my team is the greatest, my team is the best, my team is the most excellent and so on.
21:17But that's not a moral thing, right? That's just a tribal thing.
21:20And so morality is universal, tribal is in-group preference.
21:24And so by in-group preference, it is by definition not universal.
21:30And so that's why Jesus said that your foundational relationships are going to be rewritten.
21:36If you accept universal morality, it's no different with UPB.
21:40In fact, it is in a way even deeper than UPB
21:44because UPB does not require that you believe in divinity.
21:49UPB not being theological cannot be denied, right?
21:53So if you don't want to follow the teachings of Jesus,
21:56what you can do is disbelieve in the God of the Old Testament,
21:59in Jesus's divinity, you can disbelieve in all of that and it all just goes away.
22:03But UPB can't be waived away like that.
22:05And please understand, I know that I'm saying a lot by saying just waived away,
22:08but we can see in the modern world that there is a lot of waiving away of morality
22:13through a rejection of the existence of God and the divinity of Jesus in particular.
22:19Whereas UPB, you can't waive it away.
22:23Unless you're willing to waive away logic completely.
22:26So people who would be most interested in UPB would be people who are secular.
22:30And people who are secular tend to say, you know, science, reason, evidence, logic,
22:34I discard the superstition of blah, blah, blah.
22:36And so they focus on science, evidence, reason, objectivity,
22:40modern world, materialism, and so on.
22:42And so they can't just say, well, I'm going to reject logic.
22:48And so they have to work very, very hard to avoid understanding UPB.
22:54Because they've rejected God, and therefore they reject morality that way.
22:59They've accepted science and reason.
23:01And if reason leads them to UPB, then there is no escape from morality.
23:07Now, they may have corrupt relationships,
23:09but I'll tell you the most foundational thing about why people reject UPB.
23:14Is UPB is the philosophical manifestation of the conscience.
23:19The conscience universalizes moral principles at all times.
23:23And I did a show on this recently, so I'll just touch on it very briefly here.
23:27But our minds universalize everything.
23:29We are concept-making machines.
23:31We universalize everything.
23:33And so people who act in a manner they claim to be moral,
23:37the unconscious is like, oh, moral?
23:39Okay, well, let's universalize it, right?
23:41Let's universalize it, right?
23:43And then when they don't like those same morals applied to themselves, right?
23:49When they don't like those same morals applied to themselves,
23:51when they become, oh, they are revealed to themselves as moral hypocrites,
23:54they just redefine things immediately, right?
23:56You know, my mother would hit me constantly,
23:58but then when I used some physical strength in self-defense,
24:01she was absolutely appalled and shocked,
24:03and we don't use violence in this, like, you know,
24:05just immediately change the rules and so on.
24:07But your unconscious notes all of that,
24:09which is why people who keep changing the rules
24:11and are moral hypocrites are miserable and aggressive and tense.
24:14They're tense because the fragility of their moral pomposity
24:19and their moral vanity can be undone in about, like, 30 seconds to a minute.
24:25Most people have 30 seconds to a minute from a kind of moral psychosis.
24:29Most people are 30 seconds to a minute unraveling if they are confronted.
24:34And knowing that, that they're walking on these bladed eggshells
24:38is really tough for people.
24:39It's one of the reasons why people are kind of tense and anxious
24:41and stressed and volatile and aggressive
24:43because they're not fighting me or UPB or truth or reality.
24:47They're fighting their own conscience.
24:49They're fighting their own conscience.
24:51And UPB, by saying morality is way simpler than you think,
24:55these are the universal principles, they're very easy to understand,
24:59people fight that because they have done wrong
25:03and they don't want to be exposed to themselves and to others, right?
25:08So when people react in a very volatile fashion against UPB,
25:12it is a combination of they want to keep their moral posturing and their vanity,
25:16they want to seem good or appear good rather than actually be good
25:21because seeming good doesn't harm the interest of any evil people
25:24and therefore you will not get any blowback.
25:26In fact, evil people are quite comfortable if you've got moral posturing
25:29because it means that you get the benefits of virtue
25:31without having to interfere with the plans and actions of any evil people.
25:34So they're fine with that.
25:35So you get your supposed benefits of virtue without the cost of virtue,
25:39but it comes at the price of setting your conscience against you
25:44because your conscience records reality whether you like it or not.
25:47Your conscience records reality whether you like it or not.
25:50If you're a hypocrite, a moral hypocrite in particular,
25:53your conscience knows that and will take away your happiness.
25:58And the only way to solve that and recover your happiness
26:02is to apologize to your conscience and to those you have lied to about your virtue
26:06and commit to doing true good in the world.
26:09A moral reformation, a moral hit rock bottom and recovery from addiction.
26:14The worst addiction in the world is moral posturing, is the pretense of virtue.
26:18So when people have done a lot of harm through moral hypocrisy,
26:23their conscience is upset with them.
26:27Reality processing is upset with you.
26:31Do you claim to have universal virtues, but you are monstrously hypocritical?
26:36And so your conscience is plaguing you.
26:39Conscience is plaguing you.
26:41And UPB comes along and provokes your conscience into sensing an external ally.
26:47So the conscience senses an external ally that it can team up with to take down your moral vanity,
26:52and your moral vanity fights back by attacking me, Steph, or UPB,
26:58but without actually understanding it.
27:01So given all of these barriers, I mean, philosophy has gone thousands and thousands and thousands of years
27:09without a robust, empirical, objective, rational, so logistical proof of virtue.
27:14And there's a reason why.
27:17And if it wasn't for the internet, my proof would never have gone anywhere.
27:21This is why I'm so grateful to be living in the time that I'm living in.
27:25So the idea that, you know, one more slightly different or slightly better explanation of UPB would solve it for people
27:33is not understanding the barriers that people have to accepting UPB.
27:37To accept UPB, you have to accept that you pretended to be good, rather than knowing how to be good.
27:43And that is so incredibly hard for the false self.
27:47It feels like a kind of death.
27:49But there is a resurrection on the other side, but most people don't want to make that journey.
27:53Thanks, everyone.
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27:57I'll talk to you tonight, Wednesday Night Live.
27:59Bye.