House Of The Dragon Season 3 George RR Martin Controversy Is Wild
House Of The Dragon Season 3 George RR Martin Controversy Is Wild
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00:00You know your part, you know what you must do.
00:06Welcome back everyone is Charlie George R. Martin just ripped HBO and house the dragon
00:12he posted a very heated blog post complaining about several changes on house the dragon
00:17the show is made and how those changes would negatively affect the season three and season
00:22four plot he referred to them as the butterfly effect and toxic butterflies like there are
00:27more changes that they have discussed that will cause even bigger ripple effects in eventual
00:33season four.
00:34The reason why he goes as far ahead as season four is because they previously announced
00:38that would be the final season of the show.
00:40So basically George R. Martin outlined all these grievances he had against the show and
00:44how they'll affect the rest of the show.
00:47It's very lengthy he brought the receipts like he gets into gritty detail on a lot of
00:52things so will break it all down and some of them are pretty spoilery which is why I
00:56think he probably deleted the post right after he made it will get into that to because
01:01like he posted this really long diatribe about all of his grievances that within a couple
01:06hours of that just completely deleted the post very epic tweeting and deleting on his
01:10part some of the things that he addresses.
01:13I've actually already discussed in my previous season two and season three videos recently
01:17because we known about some of the changes they made in how they will probably affect
01:21the future of the story.
01:22If you're brand new to the channel be sure to subscribe to get all the episodes whatever
01:26they do wind up doing.
01:27I will do videos for season three season four also just did a trailer video for night of
01:32the seven kingdoms that's coming up next year.
01:34Those of the episodes will be getting next year.
01:37Interestingly enough, he is not griped about night of the seven kingdoms is actually spoken
01:40very highly of that upcoming series in his previous post he says he's pretty excited
01:44for that.
01:45So we should preface this whole post of his by saying that even though he totally does
01:50rip house the dragon in the writers a new one.
01:52Mostly the showrunner most he's mad about him George R. R. Martin has spoken very highly
01:57of the show in the past and he does in general he does like the show is just some of the
02:01specific changes that he's really pissed off about well funny you should ask let me get
02:07my map.
02:08There been a couple times where he said specifically that the way they've changed the characters
02:12on the show have made those characters better than they are in his books.
02:16So there have been times in the past where he said the show version has been better than
02:19his version, but not in the case of this blog post like some of the things he talks
02:23about are things that are vastly different.
02:26The ironic thing about that is that one of the characters that he said was better on
02:29the show than in his book version is tied up is a big part of this major gripe that
02:34he has against the show just starting with the biggest of he was complaining about like
02:38at the beginning of his post he mentioned multiple changes but only spoke about a few
02:42of them in very great detail, but based on what the show has done with everybody so far
02:47up to this point.
02:48I think we have some idea of what he was talking about.
02:51He starts with the events of blood and cheese and how the show is gotten rid of Aegon and
02:55Helena's third child Maylore.
02:58This is where he starts to get into his butterfly effect and how removing Maylore from the show
03:02is one example of how the future story will be negatively affected it will cause bigger
03:06ripple effects in the story on the show the blood and cheese event was changed a lot.
03:12They imply that Damon was the one who told them that it should be a son for son and bring
03:16them ahead of a son no matter what they couldn't find Eamon who was in Flea Bottom getting
03:20some of his naked mommy therapy at the brothel and because they were ordered it should be
03:25a son for son.
03:26They went for the nearest son they could find in Helena's room the order her to tell them
03:31which child is Jaharis because they both have long hair they look identical.
03:36She winds up giving up Jaharis who they kill and get caught by the Kingsguard in the gold
03:40cloaks while trying to escape with his head in the books.
03:44They say Damon told Miseria to hire blood and cheese and she's the one who conducts
03:48the transaction and gives them the orders that it should be a son for son.
03:53So they put way more of this on Miseria than they put on Damon on the show.
03:57There was no mention of Eamon being the intended target in the books just that it was a son
04:02for a son.
04:03It could be any son any son at all they eventually happen upon Helena who had three children
04:08in the books to them boys Jaharis the older one who was Aegon's heir apparent and Maelor
04:14the youngest son they order Helena to pick which one they'll kill because it's meant
04:18to be random.
04:19They don't care which son it is.
04:21It just needs to be a son for son Helena picks Maelor because he's further down the line
04:26of succession and if Jaharis survives Aegon will still have his heir, but they detect
04:30her trick and kill Jaharis instead then the rest goes down pretty much the way it went
04:36down on the show George R. R. Martin was furious that the show got rid of Maelor completely
04:41like he thought they were delaying his arrival on the show then he says he learned eventually
04:45they would not do the character at all and that's when he really started to get mad all
04:50because of the serious butterfly effects that Maelor's absence would negatively impact the
04:55rest of the story.
04:56He said when Ryan Condal the showrunner informed him that they were going to change the scene
05:00when they were writing season two back in 2022 like long before they ever filmed it.
05:05He said he argued against the change because it felt like it weakened the blood and cheese
05:08scene it's way more hardcore in the books if it wasn't clear George R. R. Martin has
05:13written a lot on house the dragon he's been much more involved creatively in crafting
05:18the show in the story than he was on the original game of thrones show I think that was partly
05:22because of the backlash for game of thrones season eight HBO probably brought him in as
05:27a creative force in a bigger way than he was involved in the original show hoping that
05:31that would help things also because house the dragon doesn't nearly have as much material
05:35to adapt directly as the original show did like there's only a small amount of book material
05:40that house the dragon is able to cover so they have to write in a lot of new story for
05:44all these characters so far George R. R. Martin has been working with them every step of the
05:49way on that as he says he hasn't always agreed with some of the changes they made in service
05:54of that he goes on to say that he still loves the blood and cheese episode overall like
05:59he actually likes the show.
06:00He loved the episode.
06:01He is really hated that they cut the mail or character in how this can negatively impact
06:06the future the story in his eyes because mail or not being on the show means that he's not
06:11involved in any the future events that he was part of in the books and he's involved
06:15in some very big events and becomes motivation for some very big things happening later on
06:20which will all have to change now that he isn't around this is where George R. R. Martin
06:25gets into very specific very nitty gritty moments from the future the story.
06:28So he says mail or's eventual death later in the story becomes part of the motivation
06:33for Helena to eventually kill herself, which is obviously a huge moment because he's not
06:37around will have to completely change the motivation for her death like during season
06:41two most of us thought that they were implying that Amon was threatening to kill Helena and
06:47maybe he be the reason that she died like she wouldn't try to kill herself.
06:50It actually be Amon killing her or someone else killing her it be a huge huge change
06:55from the books and originally in the books the way that Helena dies the reason why she
07:00dies becomes a big tipping point for King's landing turning against Ranira who was ruling
07:05over King's landing at the time having captured the city with Damon's help which we know is
07:09going to happen at the beginning of season three already you can start to see some of
07:13the big changes I talked about this during my season two finale video Ranira spoke of
07:17Helena as if she was this gentle soul and wanted nothing bad to happen to her at all
07:21like the completely changing that whole dynamic between all them in the books the way that
07:26Helena dies the reason why she dies eventually leads to major riots in George RR Martin specifically
07:30mentioned some other very spoilery moments that the small folk get up to in the story.
07:35So I want to get too deep into that just because it is crazy spoilery, but the story is done
07:40that their adapting like you can go out and read it right now.
07:42If you want to read ahead you want to wait for season three and season four, but the
07:46idea is that the small folk blame Ranira for Helena's death and begin to write crazy
07:52around Kingsley like it's really bad.
07:55Probably the best way to dodge spoilers here is to say the small folk eventually destroy
07:59the thing that is most precious to all Targaryens then this leaves the small folk to support
08:04Aegon over Ranira and it helps lead to Ranira's eventual death.
08:08Why that winds up happening in the story further on.
08:11So the idea is that mail or becomes the big tipping point for a lot of these huge bigger
08:16moments later on in the story on to the final season George RR Martin is pissed that they
08:21got rid of mail or because of those big moments he's involved in and how they're going to
08:25change those other future moments like what is going to be the motivation for Helena's
08:29death now was going to be the motivation for Ranira's eventual death which he calls toxic
08:34butterflies as in the toxic butterfly effect on the future of the show I'm leaving out
08:39a ton of very specific spoilery things that George RR Martin said because he does get
08:43into like very big spoilery moments from the future of the story, but I covered all
08:48the broad strokes of his grievances and like the major major part the big difference is
08:52that he points out specific passages in the future the story in the books to try to cover
08:57all those in his broadest strokes as possible it is not a spoilery way as possible.
09:02I did do a big house the dragon season three video a little while ago where I talked about
09:06some of the changes the show is already made like giving Nettles storyline to Reyna where
09:10she claimed sheepstealer and how that's can affect the future of the story I discuss some
09:15of the other changes at the end of season two that are going to affect the plot during
09:18season three season four, so I'll link that the end of this is the way George RR Martin
09:22ended his blog post we said there are larger and more toxic butterflies to come if house
09:27the dragon goes ahead with some of the changes being contemplated for season three and season
09:32four and ending with his typical blog post signature GRRM the changes he probably talking
09:38about are in how Rhaenyra dies why she dies of the motivation for the shepherd leading
09:42riots in King's landing what they get up to in generally how the show ends like how the
09:47other major characters either eventually die or survive in what happens to the characters
09:52that do survive one of the things I'm pretty sure that they're going to change on the show
09:56is that they'll end the show like season four will be the final season.
09:59So the wind up ending the show within at least like one episode of Rhaenyra's death like
10:03the show is a go that far past Rhaenyra's death all because the show has been turning
10:09around Rhaenyra and Allison in the really want you to think that Rhaenyra is the actual
10:13main character of the show the fire and blood book that they're adapting for this actually
10:17goes well past the events of Rhaenyra's death.
10:19They explain what happens to everyone for many years after that the future of Rhaenyra's
10:24children Aegon the third Viserys the second on the show.
10:27They're very small really good example of George RR Martin's toxic butterfly effect
10:32like causing bigger changes in the future the story Ryan Condal the showrunner the person
10:36that George RR Martin puts on blast in his blog post has already said that they won't
10:40be doing any more time jumps on the show meaning that the characters that you see are going
10:45to be the ages that they are through the end of the show notice that Aegon and Viserys
10:50are tiny babies like they're not gonna get any bigger Aegon's dragon stormcloud who is
10:55a tiny tiny dragon very cute is not gonna get any bigger on the show and coming up in
11:00season three is the battle of the gullet Aegon and stormcloud.
11:04For example, play a big role during that battle.
11:07They won't really be able to do now because they're so small that's gonna be the sea battle
11:11against the triarchies fleet we saw them sailing to Westeros at the end of season two.
11:16There a lot of WTF things that happened during that battle.
11:19Many of the major characters are involved metals was also a big part of the battle of
11:23the gullet me that now she will not be part of it will be Rhaena instead causing further
11:27changes without getting into too specific a spoilers or anything like that.
11:31There are many WTF deaths that happened during that big but like it's gonna be a crazy big
11:35battle, but you can see how that's gonna play out very differently now because of the changes
11:39they previously made on the show probably the biggest change the George R. R. Martin
11:44is referring to when he's talking about toxic butterflies.
11:46I think will be how and why Rhaenyra winds up dying with the show writes that into the
11:51story what sequence of events cause that the things that happen in King's landing that
11:55help lead to that there's some very very big changes that he doesn't really discuss
12:00like for instance, the whole relationship between Allison and Rhaenyra like the very
12:03personal relationship making them seem way closer than they were in the books he doesn't
12:08really talk about any of that and weirdly he did not complain at all about Damon spending
12:13all season at Harrenhal getting is we're with therapy from the three eyed raven and Alice
12:17rivers you think they would complain about that little bit maybe because it was such
12:20a big opportunity to actually do Harrenhal on the show in live action in a way they haven't
12:25done previously like the way they do Harrenhal is way more detail way deeper than they did
12:30on the original game of thrones show I talked about this during my season two episode videos
12:34to but they also turned George R. R. Martin into the face of the weirwood at Harrenhal
12:39you can actually see in visiting the set here they literally carve his face into the tree.
12:43So when Damon is touching the tree seeing the three eyed raven he's actually touching
12:47George R. R. Martin's face is like George R. R. Martin is giving him all the spoilers
12:51from the story.
12:52So like I said he's been very complimentary about the show in the past.
12:55So it sounds like there are things that he likes about the show and a couple things that
12:58he really does not like about the show.
13:01Personally I think he's fine to complain about stuff like this is his material that they're
13:04trying to adapt.
13:05So if it's not adapted the way he wanted to be adapted.
13:08You would expect him to not be happy about it.
13:11The weirder thing though is that like a couple hours after he posted his big blog of grievances
13:17he actually deleted his post of people like wait a minute whitey deleted did HBO threaten
13:21some kind of legal repercussions actually don't think that's the case during his post
13:26even though he does rip them a new one.
13:28He does say some very complimentary things about working with HBO like he expects to
13:31continue working with them on future shows in the game of thrones universe.
13:36They're very deep into development on a bunch of different game of thrones sequels prequels
13:41spinoffs.
13:42There's a lot of stuff happening behind the scenes that he's heavily involved in and like
13:46I said he said the shows version of Helena is actually better than the book version of
13:50Helena like of all the characters they've changed is like why you didn't amazing version
13:54of Helena way better than I did in the books.
13:57So I don't think that HBO cares about the actual criticism.
14:00I think the reason why he pulled the post out is because of the very very specific very
14:05detailed spoilers that he gets into which they'll probably cover in season three and
14:10season four like yes they'll be changes, but some of the stuff that he mentions they will
14:14probably eventually do.
14:16So early theory if HBO did ask him to remove the post is mostly for spoilery reasons.
14:22Also because in the past he been following George R. R. Martin's blog post he's complained
14:26about HBO in the original game of thrones series while the original series was still
14:31happening in HBO did not care about that criticism.
14:35So I don't think they care about the criticism now.
14:37It's probably more about the specific spoilery season three and season four moments that
14:41they will adapt and most of what he talks about most the big spoilers are probably gonna
14:45be season four things post all your reactions in the comments below we can get deeper into
14:50the weeds inside the comments and what I'll do because he deleted his blog post I'll put
14:54most of his blog post or as much as I can fit in the description for this video you
14:59can actually read what he actually wrote YouTube has a limit on the length of how long you
15:04can actually make video description.
15:05So I should be able to fit a bunch of it in there, but maybe not everything is a bunch
15:09of big stuff coming up.
15:10Like I said, I just did a big trailer video for night of the seven kingdoms will probably
15:14get an even bigger one later this year.
15:16Click here for that and click here for my house the dragon season three video that gets
15:20into some of the changes that they made and how that's can affect season three thank you
15:24so much for watching and I'll see you guys in the next one!