‘Frankly incriminating George Conway on Trump’s 2020 election claim
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00:00Joining us now is conservative lawyer George Conway, who also launched a new anti-Trump
00:04pact this summer.
00:05It's good to see you, George.
00:06Thanks for jumping in.
00:07With this new version of the indictment that Trump now faces, I like the way some of the
00:13CNN reporting put it, it's kind of the special counsel makes some nips and tucks throughout,
00:18trying to preserve the case against Trump while falling into line with what Supreme
00:21Court has ruled in July.
00:25What do you see in this new version?
00:27Do you think it's a stronger or weaker case now?
00:33I think it's every bit as strong as it was before, because it took out portions of the
00:38indictment that really weren't necessary to prove the crimes that were alleged.
00:42And what was taken out were the allegations that Trump had had conversations pressuring
00:47the Justice Department to bring an illegitimate investigation into the supposedly fraudulent
00:52election.
00:54That clearly is out of bounds under the Supreme Court's decision.
00:57And Jack Smith was absolutely right not to waste any time on it.
01:01But the fact remains that all of the other charges suffice, all the other factual allegations
01:07in the indictment suffice to allege three separate crimes that Trump has been alleged
01:15to have committed.
01:16And I think actually the case gets stronger, because it becomes more focused.
01:19And I think the more you focus it in on, in particular, the false electoral certificates
01:25and the attempts to pressure state officials, I think the stronger the case becomes.
01:29Interesting.
01:30I want to play something that Donald Trump said himself this weekend in a new Fox interview
01:36kind of about the case against him.
01:41It's so crazy that my poll numbers go up.
01:45Whoever heard you get indicted for interfering with a presidential election where you have
01:52every right to do it?
01:54You get indicted and your poll numbers go up.
01:57The way he's putting it is he has every right to interfere in the election.
02:00I mean, what do you do with that?
02:02Well, you know, if I were a lawyer, I'd tell him he has the Fifth Amendment right to stuff
02:07a sock in his mouth, but he's not capable of doing that.
02:11And he continually makes remarks that are frankly incriminating.
02:15His statement there in that interview with Mark Levin to the effect that he had the perfect
02:19right to interfere with the election is an admission that he tried to interfere with
02:23the election and that he wasn't trying to enforce federal law and act in his capacity
02:29as president of the United States.
02:30He was trying to win an election that he clearly lost.
02:33So there's the legal realm and then the political impact of the legal realm.
02:38Because I want to ask you, because one thing we have definitely seen is it appears a concerted
02:42effort by the Harris campaign and Kamala Harris herself to not make this case a central
02:48focus of their campaign message, whereas we did see Joe Biden's campaign before hers did
02:55make it more of a focus.
02:56I want to play a moment that happened from her rally yesterday.
03:00Listen to this.
03:01But as we fight to move forward, Donald Trump is trying to pull us backward, including back
03:09to a time before workers had the freedom to organize.
03:12He's going to jail.
03:14Well, the courts will handle that and we will handle November.
03:18How about that?
03:19We'll handle November.
03:20Let the courts handle their other thing.
03:28We've heard this from Kamala Harris before when a crowd had gone on to say lock him up,
03:33this time saying Trump's going to jail.
03:36What do you think of late making less, not more of the criminal charges he faces?
03:40Well, I think what Vice President Harris did there was pitch perfect for a prosecutor and
03:47a future president who intends to enforce the rule of law.
03:51This should not be political.
03:52I mean, yes, it's we should be making political hay out of the fact that he is a convicted
03:57criminal and he has done all sorts of things to me to to violate the law and he shows no
04:02respect for the rule of law.
04:04But the legal process has to be the legal process.
04:07And Kamala Harris, as a former prosecutor, respects that legal process.
04:11And she will not tolerate people saying lock him up, lock him up in the context of a political
04:16rally.
04:17I can say lock them up, lock them up because I'm not running for any public office.
04:22I can simply be a legal commentator and say he should be locked up.
04:26But that's my job and not hers.
04:28Her job is to be someday, and I hope that very soon, the chief law enforcement officer
04:33of the United States of America charged with impartially administering the law.
04:37George, it's always good to see you.
04:39Thank you for coming in.
04:40Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris are entering the final stretch of the race
04:44for the White House.
04:45Hard to believe we're just two months from Election Day.
04:46It's coming coming up fast.
04:48But the first ballots will go out in North Carolina.
04:51Get this on Friday.
04:52Early voting in person begins two weeks later in Minnesota, South Dakota and Virginia.
04:57The Harris campaign, meanwhile, released a new ad this morning focused on inflation and
05:02the economy, two issues that have been weighing down her bid for president.
05:06ABC Ipsos poll shows her eight points behind the former president when it comes to trusting
05:11her on the economy.
05:12Let's bring in CNN political commentator, former senior adviser for Hillary Clinton's
05:162016 campaign, Karen Finney, and Republican strategist and former Trump White House official
05:20Matt Mowers.
05:22Let me talk to you about this first, Karen.
05:25Kamala Harris is set to unveil more details of her economic plan tomorrow, a day after
05:29releasing this new ad that she says will cut costs for everyday Americans.
05:34Let's play a little bit of this.
05:37We all know costs are too high, but while corporations are gouging families, Trump is
05:42focused on giving them tax cuts.
05:44But Kamala Harris is focused on you.
05:47Yeah, Karen, she's really focusing on the economy.
05:52Yeah, she is.
05:54And it's a really critical issue.
05:56We've seen other polls recently where she's up by one on the economy, even on the economy.
06:02It's a critical issue, obviously, in this campaign.
06:05And she's really trying to make the case that they have two very different philosophies.
06:09Donald Trump is for, you know, big tax breaks for billionaires and trickle down.
06:15Kamala Harris is for investing in the middle class, middle class tax cuts, and building
06:20out the middle class.
06:22And this price gouging issue is really critical.
06:25You know, 37 states actually have laws on the books around price gouging.
06:30We've seen both Republican and Democratic AGs use these laws from time to time.
06:36But as a former AG herself, she understands that there's more the federal government can
06:40do to enforce the laws on the books and to look for other ways to make sure that people
06:46aren't being gouged in the pocketbook as we, you know, with the hope that prices come down,
06:51but I guess we're also seeing paychecks starting to outpace inflation, which is a great sign.
06:57Yeah.
06:58I mean, Matt, this is this is the issue Republicans would like this election to be about right
07:04now.
07:05It is an issue where Trump has the advantage, according to the polling, if only Trump does
07:10not get in the way of that message.
07:12Well, and here's the thing.
07:14Karen knows this.
07:15In campaigns, often you test not just what issues voters care about, but whether they
07:21believe whether you're going to talk about these issues.
07:23Do they?
07:24There's a believability question whether if you tell people, hey, I'm going to go cure
07:28cancer.
07:29That sounds great.
07:30But do voters actually believe you're truly going to go cure cancer?
07:33You know, it's kind of similar here.
07:35I mean, Kamala Harris is obviously reading the polls or she has a smart campaign team.
07:39They recognize the economy is one of the number one issues and that's a big vulnerability
07:44for the Biden-Harris administration, given where afforded how unaffordable goods are
07:49at the store or the price of gas.
07:51But are voters going to buy it?
07:53You know, I noticed in that ad there's a lot of we will get done.
07:56I will do this.
07:58Well, that's a lot of forward looking language.
08:00But voters still remember that she currently has a day job.
08:03She lives in the Naval Observatory.
08:04She's the vice president to Joe Biden, who's president right now.
08:08If she wanted to do a lot of those things, she could theoretically do them today.
08:11She could have done them three and a half years ago.
08:13And had she, maybe Americans would be much better off today.
08:16They wouldn't be feeling the economic pain that they are.
08:19And that's why I'm not sure that an ad like this is going to move the dial much because
08:22voters just ain't buying it.
08:24All right.
08:25I do want to shift gears a little bit.
08:27I love that talking point.
08:28Oh, go ahead, Karen.
08:29If you want to jump in.
08:30Go ahead.
08:31I was going to say, I love that talking point.
08:33What has she done for the last three years?
08:35And look, as we know, as the vice president, the president says the economic policy, but
08:39let's talk about it.
08:41You know, when they came in, the economy was in free fall because of COVID and Donald Trump
08:46hadn't done much to address that.
08:48We've now got inflation under 3 percent, 15 million new jobs, 800,000 manufacturing
08:53jobs.
08:54So there are, and actually even the Wall Street Journal is acknowledging that people, that
08:59sentiment is turning around.
09:00And so the number, it's not where we want it to be, is really the message.
09:05And there's more to do.
09:07But the fundamentals of this economy are set in such a way that you can build on the progress
09:13that's been made.
09:14And I do want-
09:15Just real quick, Jeff.
09:16Yeah, go ahead.
09:18I guess Karen and Kamala Harris agree that Bidenomics is working, I guess, which most
09:22Americans disagree with.
09:25And did they agree with it?
09:26Then they'd probably give her higher marks in the economy than they do right now.
09:29They don't because they're still feeling the pain of the pump at the grocery store as a
09:33result of the Biden-Harris policies.