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00:00Shahzad sahiba, basically the issue that we are going to talk about right now,
00:07there are many issues related to the economy, there are many issues related to security,
00:13but the challenge that is being faced right now, the private member bill that is being talked about,
00:20that you are going to make some changes in the judiciary, you are going to increase the number of judges,
00:29is it really like that and will it be done through legislation or can it be seen as a regular package?
00:36Yes, thank you very much for inviting me to your program.
00:39Look, as far as the judiciary is concerned, all the people know to what extent there is a pendency in the judiciary.
00:46Millions of cases are still waiting for the people.
00:50Generations upon generations pass by and the decisions of those cases are not made.
00:55In the last few days, you must have heard that after so many years,
01:00an innocent person came to know that he was innocent.
01:02It was also heard that a person who was there died and later it was found that he was innocent.
01:08So, such helpless people, poor people are waiting, waiting, but the cases are not completed.
01:16So, I think there is a lot of need for reforms in the judiciary.
01:19If such a bill will come, which I think came on the private member's day last time,
01:24this time also it may come on the private member's day,
01:27then I think it will be good for the judiciary of Pakistan and it will be good for the people of Pakistan to pass that bill.
01:34So, Mr. Sherzada, you talked about various cases,
01:40but do you know the percentage of how many are of the lower judiciary and how many are of the superior judiciary?
01:45Look, there are a lot of cases in the lower judiciary.
01:48You have pointed it out perfectly.
01:51And there are a lot of cases in the Supreme Court as well.
01:53But if we start, there are only 17 judges here and there are lakhs of cases in the Supreme Court,
02:00which are in the pendency.
02:02And then you know that the traditions of the old times are still going on.
02:06In the colonial era, there used to be two-month or three-month summer holidays.
02:12The judges used to go away and the people used to sit quietly and wait for their cases.
02:17So, the same things are still going on.
02:20Although at that time, the world was different.
02:22They had to go back to celebrate the summers.
02:25But wouldn't it be better that this is the practice of Tatheer.
02:28Look, a common man, because I know that you will have a pain in the heart of a common man.
02:33So, wouldn't it be better that the case is started from the lower judiciary?
02:37Because of the 22.2 million cases, more than 80% of them are in the lower judiciary.
02:46That is, where the common man's case is studied.
02:48The first case is studied from the court.
02:50After that, it must be studied from the High Court, from the Session.
02:53After that, it must be studied from the Supreme Court.
02:57The common man's case is studied.
02:59It is studied from all the courts.
03:01I have a lot of people from my circle who have reached the Supreme Court.
03:06People have gone to the appeals.
03:07They have reached there and their decisions are not being made.
03:10Now, you see how important the case was in which we have gone to the judicial review.
03:15And the holidays have come.
03:16And that judicial review has not yet come.
03:19So, politics is such a case that has to have a deep effect on the whole country.
03:24That decision, which has not yet been given a detailed decision.
03:28So, there are many cases in other courts too.
03:32We will come to them too.
03:33If we start from here, then I am sure we will go to other places too.
03:37But the decisions in the Supreme Court are very important.
03:40These are very important decisions.
03:41Even if we start from here, then that is also a good thing.
03:44Let's do it from there.
03:45That was also a good thing.
03:46But these reforms are necessary.
03:49The real important thing is this.
03:50So that it can benefit the public.
03:54So, why was the government not doing it directly?
03:57Yesterday, we talked about it.
03:59Barrister Akhil Malik was with us.
04:01Why was the government not doing it directly?
04:03Did the private members want to know what the reaction would be on this?
04:08Every private member has a right on the day.
04:14If they want to bring a bill.
04:16There were many other bills too.
04:18This was not the only bill.
04:19On Tuesday, the session could not go on.
04:22So, it had to be postponed.
04:25But there were many other bills too.
04:27Now, one bill is being given special importance.
04:30But every private member has a right.
04:33Private members bring their bills on the day.
04:37If they pass, then they pass.
04:39I am just saying that this is a good bill.
04:41If this happens, then it is a good thing for the public.
04:46And it is very important.
04:48But Shizra, the people of the opposition.
04:50Are their bills given so much importance that they are discussed immediately and passed?
04:58All the bills that come on the day of the private members are presented.
05:03And they go to the committees.
05:07Some are passed immediately.
05:09So, it depends on the bill.
05:12If the bill is for the convenience of the people.
05:15For the benefit of the people.
05:18And if it is a good bill, then why won't it be passed?
05:22There are many bills of the opposition on the day of the private members.
05:25But here, people are getting the impression.
05:29That by increasing the number, you are trying to achieve your goal.
05:32And more than the public.
05:33It will benefit Khawas.
05:35If the number increases at this time.
05:37Look, I understand that all our respected judges.
05:42When they come to this point.
05:46They have a very extensive experience.
05:50Such a thing should not be said about them at this time.
05:53Yes, we have been getting such examples.
05:56That there has been a biased show in the judges.
05:59Which is a regrettable thing.
06:01This should not happen.
06:02There should be no bias.
06:04There should be no good to see you.
06:06What benefit can we get by increasing the number of judges of the judiciary?
06:11I don't think we can get any benefit.
06:13Or from where we will choose.
06:16Whether he is a judge or not.
06:18There is no such thing.
06:19This is a bill presented by a private member.
06:21On which I understand.
06:22That all people and all parties have understood.
06:25That it is a good thing.
06:26There is a need for the country at this time.
06:28There is a need at all levels of the judiciary.
06:30That the number should be increased.
06:31So that the public does not have to wait so much.
06:34And many decisions of the public.
06:35I think everyone will have a personal experience of this.
06:39All people.
06:40Their acquaintances, their friends.
06:42Their relatives.
06:43Their close people.
06:44Whose cases remain in pendency for so long.
06:49Generations pass by.
06:51There are cases of land.
06:52There are cases of murders.
06:54Whose decision cannot be made.
06:55So this is a good bill.
06:57Which a private member has brought to us.
06:59That's why we appreciate him.
07:01But that is also the thing.
07:02That he reached the Supreme Court.
07:03So understand that his case was heard.
07:05Otherwise, he is stuck in the lower judiciary.
07:07He is in such a state.
07:08That shoes are torn.
07:10Generations get stuck.
07:11But the decision cannot be made.
07:13Tell us about Mr. Mian.
07:15In this matter.
07:17In August, he made an announcement.
07:20Regarding the shortage of electricity.
07:22Sitting with the Prime Minister.
07:24Sitting with Sahiba.
07:25After that, he is not so active.
07:28And now it is being heard that he is ready for the London trip.
07:31Is it really so?
07:33Look, Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif is a statesman.
07:36When he came on 21st October.
07:38His speech was heard by the whole country.
07:41And in that, he only mentioned the public.
07:44And he only mentioned.
07:45For the betterment of the public.
07:47For the convenience of the public.
07:48What steps he wants to take.
07:50And what is his wish.
07:52What is his effort.
07:54Mian Nawaz Sharif always came back to the country.
07:57For the sake of the public.
07:58For the sake of the love of the public.
08:00I am not confirmed.
08:02Whether Mr. Mian is going to London or not.
08:05If he is going.
08:07Then his routine check-up.
08:10You know.
08:11There are some health complications.
08:13We have told the public before.
08:15That there are some complications.
08:17For which they need routine check-up.
08:20They have doctors.
08:21Who have been treating them from the beginning.
08:23Who know their background.
08:25They know their history.
08:26They know their health background.
08:27So even if they are going.
08:29Then for a week.
08:30They are going for their check-up.
08:32They will come back.
08:33As far as they are concerned.
08:34You are saying.
08:35They are not so concerned.
08:36Last time it was said about 8 dogs.
08:37This time the situation is different.
08:39Let's hope for the best.
08:40And may Allah give them health.
08:41Zain Qureshi has joined us.
08:43He is on the phone.
08:45He will join us in the studio.