Insentif Game Changer Program Konversi Motor Listrik

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Pemerintah membuka peluang perpanjangan program konversi sepeda motor listrik gratis dengan insentif sebesar Rp10 juta per unit dan badan usaha Rp16 juta per unit.  Sekjen Kementerian ESDM Dadan Kusdiana mengatakan, pertimbangan keberlanjutan program insentif konversi sepeda motor listrik sejalan dengan optimisme program konversi motor listrik gratis ini dapat terserap optimal oleh masyarakat pada tahun ini. Optimisme pemerintah juga didorong oleh kesiapan industri komponen hingga infrastruktur dan bengkel-bengkel tersertifikasi yang sudah tersedia berbagai wilayah Jawa Timur, Bali, hingga Riau.  Dadan mengatakan, keberlanjutan program insentif konversi sepeda motor listrik untuk tahun depan masih dalam tahap pembahasan.  Di sisi lain, Pemerintah juga telah merilis kuota untuk konversi sepeda motor listrik gratis sebanyak 1.000 unit. Adapun, program Konversi Gratis bagi masyarakat umum di wilayah Jakarta, Bogor, Depok, Tangerang dan Bekasi, tahap 1 sebanyak 500 unit, dan selanjutnya 500 unit untuk tahap 2 untuk tahun 2024.

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00:30How is the growth right now?

00:33Are the various ecosystems that are being built by the government and policies and incentives

00:38have given high interest from consumers in Indonesia?

00:42Let's start the market review.

00:45Let's get to the full story.

00:54The Ministry of Education and Ministry of Public Works and Human Resources are working together

00:57to increase the use of electric motorbikes and one of them is by converting motorbikes

01:02from BBM fuel to electric fuel.

01:06The Ministry of Education and Ministry of Public Works and Human Resources continues to increase the use of electric motorbikes in the water.

01:15One of them is by involving businesses in converting BBM-based motorbikes to free electricity,

01:21as many as 1,000 units for the public.

01:24According to the Secretary-General of the Ministry of Education and Ministry of Public Works and Human Resources, Dadan Kusdiana,

01:27through cooperation with these businesses, the ministry has allocated incentives of as much as 10 million per unit

01:34and the rest will be fulfilled through the CSR funds of a number of businesses.

01:39The ministry ensures that the entire infrastructure of electric vehicles is already in the water,

01:44so that people do not have to hesitate to switch to electric vehicles.

01:49The conversion of conventional motorbikes to electric motorbikes for free,

01:541,000 units for the public, Cabode-Tabek, has begun.

02:00The conversion program of electric motorbikes is expected to contribute to the target of reducing emissions to 132.25 million tons.

02:10The Ministry of Education and Ministry of Public Works and Human Resources notes that so far there have been 788 requests for the conversion program.

02:16Of the number, 592 units are still in the conversion stage and 196 units have received assistance.

02:23From Jakarta, Nefir Mansyah, IDX Channel

02:28Yes, Pak Mirso, to discuss our interesting topic this time related to the Game Changer Incentive,

02:33the electric motor conversion program, we have been connected through Zoom

02:36together with Mr. Yanis Martinus Pasteripu, Automotive Observer.

02:40And who are we immediately? Good morning, Mr. Yanis.

02:44Good morning, good morning everyone.

02:46Yes, greetings, sir.

02:49Thank you also for the time given, we are still waiting.

02:53Joining us is Mr. Budi Setiadi, he is the Chairperson of the Indonesian Electric Motor Cycle Industry Association or ISMOLI.

03:00Okay, let's review first, Mr. Yanis.

03:03What do you think of the ecosystem of electric motorbikes as it is being built?

03:08Because the government was also eager to promote the conversion of BBM motorbikes as soon as it switched to electricity. Please.

03:17Okay, so in a nutshell, this government program is of course a very good program to develop Indonesia's roadmap towards net zero carbon.

03:34However, in the process, if we observe, it seems that there is still no good synergy between the ministries,

03:43between the units on the ground.

03:49More on which part, if it is said that the synergy has not yet been achieved with APEC there, Mr. Yanis.

03:55So maybe this is Mr. Budi who can explain later.

03:59The component becomes a problem.

04:03So the component is still imported, then the standardization is not clear.

04:08Then the input chain is not clear.

04:10Okay.

04:11Okay, then SDM.

04:14The regulations on the certification of competent SDM are also quite complex.

04:21Then the certification workshop is also quite complex.

04:25Then next, the funds that will come down as incentives.

04:30It also seems to make, with a bureaucracy that is quite confusing for entrepreneurs,

04:39quite make dealers or workshops that actually become investors.

04:47Okay.

04:48Because they don't know when it will come down.

04:50That's first, especially complex.

04:53Well, that's what's interesting.

04:54Then if we look at the conditions like this, it means more to incentives, then support incentives that are still not optimal.

05:02So maybe the community is finally worried, Mr. Yanis.

05:06There is one more thing that has never been touched.

05:09What is it?

05:10The people.

05:11Okay.

05:12The users.

05:13So it needs to be looked at too.

05:15This is not clear yet.

05:17Segmentation of the people who will actually be educated.

05:21Because, frankly, electric motorcyclists, this is from our independent research,

05:26are mostly 25 to 40 years old and above.

05:30Young generation, meaning millennials and Z,

05:33who live in the city and the middle social class above.

05:38Well, that's it.

05:40That's a problem too, it seems.

05:42Well, that's it.

05:43So from the electric motor component, then there is the availability of the workshop, right?

05:49And also how the funds that will be lowered as incentives or this,

05:54becoming a sweetener, there may also be a need for further explanation.

06:00The law is stronger, so the community will be more interested.

06:03Well, if we talk about this community, it's interesting.

06:06As a user.

06:07Education, then literacy, how we transition clean energy in Indonesia,

06:13is it really massive enough?

06:15Especially in the automotive sector.

06:17So the results are really optimal.

06:19Remember, in a car electric vehicle,

06:22it can be said that it has succeeded with the emergence of many electric car manufacturers.

06:28How is it compared to motor vehicles, Mr. Yanis?

06:32If I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken,

06:39there are about 53 brands now.

06:4253 brands, okay.

06:44Yes, if I'm not mistaken.

06:45Yes, yes, yes.

06:46It means it's already massive, actually.

06:48But it's the latest, right?

06:50Yes.

06:51If it's a conversion, the story is different.

06:53So frankly, the majority,

06:57if you buy an ordinary motorcycle,

06:59which currently has a total of about 120 million in Indonesia,

07:03the majority are middle class, even tend to low income class.

07:09Well, they still see this vehicle as their burden,

07:16which mostly, of course, the price must be cheap,

07:20on the deal is also easy, the service is easy,

07:23and most importantly, when they sell it, it's quite liquid.

07:28While electric motorcycles, of course, because it's still new,

07:32then there's the race and city,

07:35from the middle class people,

07:39who tend to be below this,

07:41they are a bit doubtful about the durability.

07:45Okay.

07:46That's the problem.

07:47Okay, okay.

07:48From the sales side, if it's new,

07:50let's try to compare, as you said, with the conversion,

07:53what can we see?

07:55Is the interest or growth more in the sale of new electric motorcycles,

08:00or how, Mr. Yan?

08:01New.

08:03Because if it's a new electric motorcycle,

08:05it's clear, it gets a guarantee from the dealer,

08:08the owner of the sales service is clear.

08:10Okay.

08:11And everything is clearer,

08:14until it can be said,

08:18he wants to use a program for a discount, it can also be.

08:24That's it.

08:25Yes, yes, yes.

08:26The challenge is from the government conversion program,

08:30compared to the direct sales,

08:33in the sense of a new electric motorcycle,

08:35which actually looks like the transition is heading there,

08:40when using a new electric motorcycle, right, Mr. Yan?

08:42Yes.

08:43The trend is going there right now.

08:45Okay, okay.

08:46Well, that's it.

08:47So, what strategy do we need to do?

08:49Finally, for electric motorcycle producers,

08:51we will discuss later with Mr. Budi from Esmoli,

08:54what is the real strategy,

08:56so that we can push the conversion program again,

08:59on the other hand,

09:00how the use of electric vehicles in Indonesia is also getting more massive.

09:04We will be back in a moment, Mr. Yanis and Mr. Mirsau,

09:06make sure you are still with us.

09:13ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLE PRODUCERS

09:19ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLE PRODUCERS

09:27Yes, thank you for still joining us

09:29in the market review, Mr. Mirsau,

09:31and have joined us through Zoom,

09:33Mr. Budi Setiady,

09:34Chairperson of the Esmoli Electric Motorcycle Industry Association.

09:38Good morning, Mr. Budi.

09:39Yes, good morning, Mr. Prasetyo.

09:42Yes, good morning, sir.

09:43Good morning.

09:44Okay, thank you.

09:45Let's start with the review,

09:46from the industry players directly.

09:48Earlier, there were some challenges

09:50from the development of electric motorcycles in Indonesia.

09:54From the perspective of Esmoli,

09:56what is the current condition?

09:58Please, Mr. Budi.

09:59Yes, as a player from the beginning,

10:03who developed regulations from the 55th prefecture,

10:08the 7th prefecture,

10:09and several regional ministries,

10:11at that time, I was the regional minister.

10:13And I followed the development

10:16and progress in the industry sector.

10:20In 2018,

10:22we brought about 9, if I'm not mistaken.

10:24And that was mostly the bicycle factory

10:27which was later renovated,

10:29there was an additional production of electric motorcycles.

10:31But now, as Mr. Martinus said earlier,

10:34if I may say,

10:36it's been about 50 years.

10:38But there are new factories,

10:41new assemblies,

10:42new entrants.

10:43Yes.

10:44So, yesterday,

10:45there were still many who wanted to enter Indonesia.

10:47But the availability of NICs

10:49issued by the Ministry of Education

10:51was very limited.

10:52So, now it is also being supported

10:55by the Ministry of Education.

10:56There are several factories that received NICs yesterday,

10:59but then did not continue to produce.

11:01We hope that in 2024,

11:04many fans will enter

11:06and they are also big factories

11:08from investors in China, especially.

11:11But then there is a problem or a shortage of NICs.

11:13We hope that those who have received NICs in the past,

11:16the factory has been renovated,

11:18but then did not continue to produce.

11:19We hope it can be removed.

11:22So, in terms of industry,

11:24if I look at it from 2018

11:26to 2024,

11:28it is indeed very massive,

11:31very high.

11:32The first time we met,

11:34when I was in 2018,

11:36I was not so sure that only a few people came.

11:39But now, if we invite all the members of the association,

11:42they are very enthusiastic,

11:44both in terms of quantity

11:45as well as in terms of substances from the discussion itself.

11:48That's for the industry sector.

11:50It's pretty good in my opinion.

11:52Okay.

11:53From the industry side,

11:54it means that the trend is still quite positive.

11:56Energy, production,

11:58then sales and also utilization.

12:00So, how about the growth

12:02in the community?

12:04Because we know that there is also a conversion program

12:07from conventional motorcycles to electric motorcycles.

12:09Does this have an impact on the production of the new electric motorcycles?

12:13Or how?

12:16Yes, earlier when I was talking,

12:18in terms of the industry sector,

12:20and now in terms of

12:22how the government

12:24to push for AMRAD as part of the 55

12:27which all provide incentives

12:29for both production and utilization.

12:31Yes.

12:32Indeed, in 2022,

12:34we have a subsidy program.

12:36And in 2003, we implemented it.

12:38Then in 2004, we also implemented

12:40our own subsidy program.

12:41Okay.

12:42But it's true what Mr. Martinus said earlier.

12:44Indeed, in terms of giving subsidies

12:46to the community,

12:48in 2023,

12:50the Minister's Regulation was revised several times.

12:52Because it was perhaps

12:54associated with

12:56the first phase

12:58of this subsidy program or government assistance

13:00because of the subsidy regulation.

13:02So, in general, in the Minister's Regulation,

13:04it is given to the limited people.

13:06It turns out that the interest of the limited people

13:08is not so good.

13:09In fact,

13:11the objective concept is

13:13if possible, there are quite a lot of people

13:15who can be directly given to the community.

13:17So, in 2023,

13:19the Minister's Regulation will experience

13:21some changes.

13:23If I look at this year 2024,

13:25from the aspect of regulation related to

13:27government assistance

13:29or subsidy,

13:31including the conversion,

13:33it is already quite good now.

13:35The conversion as the leading sector

13:37is the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development.

13:39Now, even yesterday,

13:41there were about 1,000 vehicles

13:43in 2024

13:45will be given for free to the community

13:47through the financing collaboration

13:49of the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development

13:51and the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development.

13:53With the CSR that is in several municipalities.

13:55If we include

13:57the conversion itself,

13:59in fact, in 2023,

14:01there are quite a lot of people

14:03who can be given to the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development.

14:05But the number is not so many.

14:07But because it is a new item,

14:09it means that if it is close to 1,000,

14:11it is already quite good.

14:13In my opinion, it is good.

14:15The only thing left now is for us to push for 2024.

14:17And assistance,

14:19at first, there were 7 million,

14:21then it reached 10 million.

14:23And now, if I look at it,

14:25it means that we have 15 million assistance

14:27from the government for the 1,000 vehicles.

14:29So, in terms of financing,

14:31the government is actually quite good

14:33to provide assistance,

14:35both for new motorcycles,

14:37and for conventional motorcycles.

14:39Now it's up to the community.

14:41If we talk about the community,

14:43it does change the mindset

14:45of the community

14:47which usually always uses

14:49combustion engine motorcycles

14:51with speed, then with height,

14:53it can be proven that

14:55combustion engine motorcycles

14:57can be used for speed,

14:59endurance, and so on.

15:01But then, with this motorcycle,

15:03there are still many people who ask,

15:05whether the motorcycle is strong or not.

15:07Is it strong or not, and so on.

15:09That's still a lot.

15:11So, it means that there is still no trust,

15:13or maybe the community still sees

15:17it will be an example for others to use.

15:19If there are many, then there will be

15:21no trust from the community.

15:23That's the behavior of consumers in Indonesia.

15:25But in your opinion, can it be answered

15:27that in terms of technology,

15:29the ability of electric motorcycles

15:31answers the doubts of the community

15:33or the consumers earlier, Mr. Budi?

15:35How about the speed,

15:37then endurance, and also the ability

15:39to go uphill, for example?

15:41Yes, if I look at it,

15:43the momentum is good now in Indonesia.

15:45Because actually,

15:47Indonesia is not alone.

15:49Now, almost all countries in the world

15:51are also starting to develop,

15:53starting to make a policy

15:55regarding the issue of e-mobility,

15:57or EV.

15:59There are a lot of cars or motorcycles,

16:01and even now it's quite massive.

16:03Actually, the data we never got

16:05is the number of electric motorcycles

16:07in Indonesia.

16:09As I see it in China,

16:11actually, if I look at the difference

16:13between a motorcycle and a bicycle,

16:15maybe 50-50, 50-50,

16:17Indonesia is helped by

16:19the penetration to the bicycle market.

16:21So, the bicycle is used

16:23by many communities.

16:25Finally, they know, oh, it turns out

16:27that the efficiency of the bicycle

16:29is better.

16:31But maybe what is still a question

16:33is the safety aspect.

16:35And actually, if I look at

16:37Indonesia,

16:39the community culture,

16:41especially now in the community

16:43that is active in the field of business

16:45and use motorcycle mobility

16:47like Go-Jek,

16:49then for

16:51shipping goods,

16:53it already feels,

16:55if I ask them,

16:57how to use a motorcycle,

16:59they already feel very efficient.

17:01The iris is not bad,

17:03there is no oil.

17:05That's right, Mr. Martius also mentioned

17:07the maintenance issue.

17:09This is a question,

17:11or I say with the infrastructure.

17:13Motor commission means there is an SBBU.

17:15If it's a motorcycle,

17:17where is it?

17:19If we can't do it,

17:21where do we charge it?

17:23But lately,

17:25there have been many investors

17:27who used to

17:29be more concentrated

17:31to manage

17:33the SBBU

17:35or fast charging for cars.

17:37Now, it has started

17:39for fast charging for motorcycles.

17:41There is communication with several investors.

17:43The workshop

17:45is still

17:47where the community is

17:49if it can be damaged.

17:51Actually, the motorcycle workshop

17:53is not that

17:55complicated,

17:57like motor commission,

17:59etc. The place is quite small,

18:01then the most

18:03is the electrical model, the wiring, etc.

18:05But the specific

18:07motorcycle workshop is not there yet.

18:09Okay.

18:11What is the strategy, Mr. Budi?

18:13We will discuss it in the next segment.

18:15We will take a break.

18:17Mr. Mirsa, make sure you are still with us.

18:34Thank you for joining us

18:36in Market Review, Mr. Mirsa.

18:38We will be back in the next segment

18:40with Mr. Budi Stiyadi,

18:42Chairperson of AISMOLI,

18:44and Mr. Yannis Martinus Pasaribu,

18:46an automotive observer.

18:48So, Mr. Budi, what is the strategy

18:50and what are the anticipated efforts

18:52to improve the literacy of electric vehicles

18:54in the community,

18:56even though there are some challenges

18:58related to the ecosystem that you said

19:00is actually quite good.

19:02How about the community?

19:04What is it like to improve

19:06the literacy of automotive vehicles, especially motorcycles?

19:08Please.

19:10Yes, because this is indeed a belief

19:12that I have been invited several times

19:14by the Ministry of Maritime Affairs

19:16to discuss the strategy for 2025.

19:18And the government

19:20will also start

19:22targeting in 2025

19:24the population of motorcycle

19:26in 2030 as well.

19:28And I also hope that the government

19:30can target

19:32a kind of umbrella

19:34so that anyone

19:36in the future

19:38who comes will also be able to do it.

19:40I just hope that

19:42in my opinion,

19:44because this is indeed a new thing,

19:46and then we also need

19:48an understanding community

19:50that is quite aware of the problem of

19:52motorcycle, what is it actually for?

19:54If then our literacy education

19:56earlier mentioned the problem

19:58that this is done to reduce

20:00traffic congestion, reduce air pollution,

20:02and more efficient,

20:04I think that's really good

20:06for what we have to convey

20:08to the community.

20:10Okay, that's it.

20:12Related to several strategies.

20:14Mr. Yannes, how do you see the condition like now?

20:16A shortcut that is needed to increase

20:18the understanding of the community related to

20:20electric vehicles, from the price side,

20:22which is still a concern of

20:24consumers in Indonesia, or how, Mr. Yannes?

20:26Actually,

20:28there are strategic tactics

20:30and it can be done

20:32faster, more

20:34concise.

20:36To be honest, we count

20:38about 3% of vehicle purchase

20:40by the red plates, or the government.

20:42Central government,

20:44city government, regency,

20:46and provincial government.

20:48Why not directly push from the central government

20:50to the regional government to start

20:52becoming a role model?

20:54That's it. Simple, right?

20:56Because, to be honest, the regional government

20:58doesn't have the budget to buy

21:00motor vehicles.

21:02Motor vehicles are quite cheap now.

21:04As simple as that.

21:06As simple as that.

21:08Mr. Yannes, it's a pity that Mr. Budi

21:10has a different opinion.

21:12Thank you very much, Mr. Budi,

21:14for joining us.

21:16One more thing.

21:18Please, Mr. Budi.

21:20I think what was said earlier

21:22is enough for me to understand,

21:24and I think it's very accurate.

21:26That was an example from

21:28the government.

21:30Actually, there was an investment

21:32in 2022.

21:34The mandate was

21:36for the central government

21:38and the regional government

21:40to start using motor vehicles

21:42as operational vehicles.

21:44If that can be done, I'm sure

21:46the society will follow suit.

21:48The regional government, the regency,

21:50the police, will definitely do a good job.

21:52What we're hoping for now

21:54is that the investment in 2022

21:56will be long-term.

21:58Maybe it needs to be evaluated

22:00how far the provincial government

22:02and the regional government

22:04will follow suit

22:06to the investment.

22:08What we're hoping for

22:10is that there will be

22:12a survey,

22:14or a team monitoring.

22:16I'm sure

22:18if the government uses it a lot,

22:20the society will follow suit

22:22to what the government is doing.

22:24Okay, that's it.

22:26An example from the central government,

22:28the regional government,

22:30and maybe other governments

22:32to use electric motor vehicles

22:34to give confidence to the society.

22:36Mr. Budi, we'll continue

22:38with you.

22:40Thank you very much

22:42for your time and information.

22:46Mr. Yannis, we'll continue.

22:48That was a short cut

22:50but I'm sure

22:52if the government uses electric motor vehicles,

22:54the society will follow suit

22:56to what the government is doing.

22:58I'm sure

23:00if the government uses electric motor vehicles,

23:02the society will follow suit

23:04to what the government is doing.

23:06I'm sure

23:08if the government uses electric motor vehicles,

23:10the society will follow suit

23:12to what the government is doing.

23:14I'm sure

23:16if the government uses electric motor vehicles,

23:18the society will follow suit

23:20to what the government is doing.

23:22Frankly,

23:24people are more interested

23:26in buying new electric motor vehicles.

23:28Because of the guarantee,

23:30the novelty,

23:32and the lifestyle.

23:34New vehicles are different

23:36from the old ones.

23:38This still has a strong impact

23:40on our society.

23:42Also, do not forget

23:44that the largest segmentation of electric motor vehicles

23:46in the urban community, the young generation.

23:49Yes.

23:50In Java Island.

23:52Okay.

23:53So, focus on the big cities.

23:56Obviously, the biggest sales are in Java Island.

23:59It just spread a little in Sumatra, Kalimantan, and Sulawesi.

24:03Now, focus on Java Island.

24:05And if the conversion is obvious,

24:08this is also a problem.

24:10It needs to be seen first,

24:12is the strategy the most appropriate for conversion.

24:14Because if we continue to develop Indonesia,

24:18the concept of energy is not purely electrified.

24:22Okay.

24:23Yes. So, there is a bigger strategy.

24:26And it is expected that the collaboration between the ministries

24:30will be better.

24:32Between the ministries and the central government

24:34through the local government.

24:36Government of the province, city, and regency.

24:39And if we calculate,

24:41it's about 3% of about 5 million vehicles,

24:44motorbikes, let's say.

24:46Assume it's about 15,000, right?

24:50Yes.

24:51It means that 15,000 will be automatically

24:54inherited by the local government.

24:56Yes.

24:57It's easy, right?

24:58That's right.

24:59No obligation.

25:00Just coordinate with the governors,

25:02mayors, and regents.

25:04It's simple.

25:06Now, the key is

25:08whether our portrait can collaborate or not.

25:11That's it.

25:12If we talk about the use of electric motorbikes

25:14in the government environment,

25:16the central government, regions, or other national institutions,

25:18is it better for the new motorbikes?

25:21Or is it better for the electric conversion?

25:24So, this can be an example

25:27that the conversion program is successful.

25:29You can say that, Mr. Yanis.

25:31Yes, for the experiment.

25:33Yes, for the experiment.

25:34Because, frankly, the program is government-driven.

25:39Okay.

25:40Start from the government,

25:41try both of them to see

25:43which one is more successful and which one is less.

25:46Which one is less successful?

25:48There are things that follow the ideal.

25:50Okay.

25:51Well, besides conversion,

25:53or maybe there is an innovation,

25:56trade-in, for example,

25:58when we already have conventional motorbikes,

26:00we just trade-in by buying new electric motorbikes,

26:03but how much do we have?

26:05Added with government subsidies,

26:07maybe it can be a win-win solution.

26:09Yes.

26:10Is it possible?

26:11So, there needs to be a new business model.

26:14So, it's not just like

26:18removing the vehicle components

26:20and replacing it with electrical components.

26:22Once sold, there is no market price.

26:25This is actually complex.

26:28So, the potential is also open, Mr. Yanis?

26:32It's open.

26:33So, we see that there is a strong brand in Indonesia,

26:36Roda 4.

26:37It can shape the market price

26:39by building a second price for the vehicle.

26:44There is.

26:45And now it's getting more and more popular.

26:46In Indonesia, it's Roda 4.

26:48It can be like that.

26:49And this vehicle, of course,

26:51this Polutif,

26:53can be moved to the aftermarket market

26:55outside Java.

26:56In Java, for example,

26:57there are cities and villages.

27:00That's it.

27:01While it can be centralized to one area.

27:05Yes.

27:06The important thing is in the city.

27:07Now, it's the worst policy.

27:08Okay.

27:09Okay.

27:10That's it.

27:11Related to the condition,

27:12how about the conversion program of electric motor?

27:14Then, how about the production?

27:16Then, the number of electric vehicle sales,

27:18especially motor,

27:19has also been mentioned by Mr. Aismoli.

27:21The trend is quite good.

27:22So, it's up to the society to accept it.

27:25How about the role and involvement

27:28of the state apparatus

27:30to be able to use this electric vehicle

27:32or electric motor?

27:33Mr. Yannes, thank you very much

27:35for sharing the information

27:36that has been conveyed to the audience.

27:37You're welcome. Thank you very much.

27:38Good luck with your activities.

27:40Good health, Mr. Yannes.

27:42Good morning, good afternoon, everyone.

27:44Okay, audience.

27:45Don't leave your seat

27:46because in a moment,

27:47we will be back with another interesting topic

27:48related to the level of unemployment

27:50which is a barrier

27:52for the Indonesian economy.

27:53See you in a moment.

27:55See you in a moment.

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