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00:00What an inspiration story!
00:03If we go back to Pakistan, where we started our life,
00:07why did you come here, what city were you from, how many siblings did you have?
00:10I studied till 5th standard in oil lamps,
00:13which I did in Land 10.
00:16A person started his life with so much difficulty,
00:18and then he came to Lahore, obviously he must have been from a mediocre family.
00:21Tell our viewers about this.
00:23We had a little land, we used to get a little wheat from it.
00:26But where do we get the rest of the fees, clothes, shoes from?
00:30Do you have a plan to expand it further in different states?
00:32Because it has a huge industry.
00:33Right now, our plan is to expand it further in California within the next year.
00:38What do you think, at what level is Cosmetics going to change?
00:40I think, business-wise, it will expand.
00:43If you see, in the last 7 years, it has gone this way.
00:46Sir, this injection that you are talking about, which is very popular lately,
00:48Yes, Glutathione and all.
00:50Yes, please tell our viewers about this in detail.
00:52There are cells that produce color, they are called melanocytes.
00:56The process is that the color of the skin is made from them.
00:59Then there is another incident that motivated you.
01:01The day I sat down, he came and gave me a scolding.
01:04Really?
01:04That you are so dirty, your nose is flowing, you are not even wearing clean clothes.
01:08I remembered that day that whoever it is, I am doing something
01:13that I can do whatever I want in my life.
01:18Assalamu Alaikum viewers.
01:19In America, there are 100 successful doctors in Pakistan.
01:21With a special series, your host Mubeen Rashid is present at your service.
01:24Baba Rao Sahib is present with us in Manhattan.
01:26He is a resident in New York.
01:28He has done a lot of extraordinary services.
01:29He is also fighting for the election of his president.
01:31What is your opinion about becoming a doctor?
01:33If we go back to Pakistan, where life begins,
01:36then why did you come?
01:36From which city did you come?
01:37How many siblings were there?
01:38I was born in Mardisau, Kabirwala, near Khanewal.
01:42I grew up until I saw a light, electricity, radio, anything.
01:46I was in 5th grade, I studied on oil lamps.
01:49Oh, from lanterns?
01:51Yes, from lanterns.
01:52We were 10 siblings, 6 sisters and 4 brothers.
01:55Mashallah, what was your number?
01:56My number was 3rd last.
01:57My father died when I was very young.
02:00My elder brother used to live in Lahore.
02:03My mother, for education, thought that some people have gone to my brother.
02:07So that's how I came to Lahore.
02:10Which place in Lahore?
02:11In the beginning, we used to live in Krishnagar, Lahore.
02:13That is also a very historical place.
02:14Yes, yes.
02:15It is called the old Lahore.
02:15Yes, yes, Krishnagar.
02:16I also have a connection with Lahore.
02:17So then I...
02:18What was the reason for coming to Lahore?
02:20I don't remember very well.
02:22But somewhere in the 60s.
02:24Were you in 6th grade?
02:25I came in 6th grade.
02:27So you studied in Lahore in high school?
02:28I did high school in Lahore, Muslim Model Lahore.
02:31That is a very historical school.
02:32Then I did college, government college in Lahore.
02:34And after that, I got admission in Pindi Medical College in Rawalpindi.
02:39In Rawalpindi, RMC is a very historical college.
02:41You started from a small village and came to Lahore.
02:43Tell me some incidents, what difficulties did you face in the village?
02:46That you had to face.
02:47And then you came to Lahore.
02:48You must have had a lot of landlocked relations with the Bidokar family.
02:51We had a little land, so we used to get a little wheat from it.
02:54But everyone else's fees, clothes, shoes, where do we get that from?
02:57At times, we used to go and cut people's cotton fields.
03:02Cut sugarcane.
03:03So that we can make wages daily.
03:07One day it happened that there was a man who...
03:10He was not a doctor, but he used to become a doctor by doing something.
03:15So he had a motorcycle and he used to come and sit in white clothes every day.
03:20And we used to clean his motorcycle for the children to make friends.
03:25So one day I sat, he came and sat on the bed, we all sat around.
03:29So he scolded me badly.
03:31That you are so dirty, your nose is flowing, you have not even cleaned your clothes.
03:35You are ashamed, do it here.
03:36So that day it came to my mind that whatever it is, I am doing something like this.
03:41That I can do whatever I want in my life.
03:43You can do it, wow.
03:45Then another incident that motivated you.
03:47When I reached Lahore, my elder brother was a lawyer there.
03:50But still I knew about the family economy.
03:54That he himself is struggling, he cannot even send money behind.
03:57He is also married, how can he do all this?
04:00So I thought that I should do something in my life now.
04:04That I do not fall into this problem.
04:06He has to do something for his child and I have to do something for my family.
04:11So I thought I have to do something much bigger than this.
04:14And I thought that there is only one way that I can study as much as I can.
04:17Tell me, who among the other brothers studied more?
04:19Did he become a doctor or someone else?
04:20No, no.
04:21I was the only one who became a doctor.
04:22The one who was three years older than me went to the army.
04:26He became a colonel and retired.
04:28And there was another brother, he took care of the land.
04:30The little land that was there, he worked there.
04:32Where did you feel that you wanted to become a doctor?
04:34Actually, the whole change started from Muslim model school.
04:37When I went to class, I used to study with excitement.
04:39Every teacher used to tell me that he is the best, he will guide everyone, he will do this.
04:43Monitoring class?
04:44Monitoring.
04:45It is a very interesting story that I studied in Urdu medium.
04:47In 6th grade, I had to study English there.
04:50So the teacher said that who will narrate this story tomorrow?
04:54So the story in English was Thirsty Crow.
04:57I thought that I know English, what will I do?
04:59So I wrote Thirsty Crow in Urdu.
05:01Once there was a Thirsty Crow, I did it from Wow and Oon scene and wrote it completely.
05:06I sang Ratal.
05:07Beautiful.
05:08So I sang Ratal and the next day I went and narrated it.
05:11The teacher was very impressed.
05:13But he didn't know that how I did it.
05:15You applied formula B.
05:17Very nice.
05:17So tell me Mr. Wahab, which college, how did you choose in FSC and how did you take the number in your medical so that you can get admission in medical college?
05:23I didn't get admission in King Edward where my brothers wanted.
05:27It worked out that I got admission in Pindi instead of Lahore.
05:305 years of doctoring, did you feel that it was easy for you to become a doctor?
05:33Or did you feel that it was very difficult or you found the subject very tough during 5 years of MBA?
05:36First of all, all the books in FSC were in English.
05:39I didn't understand what the physics teacher was saying for 3 months.
05:44There was a little problem in that.
05:46Then when I got admission in medical college, I didn't have an idea how much I would have to study.
05:50Which session was this?
05:53I graduated in 1983.
05:55You reached Pindi from Lahore and did MBBS.
05:58Where did you come from USA?
05:59You are going straight to America.
06:00I started house job in dermatology after graduation.
06:05There was a news in newspaper that there is a diploma of dermatology in London.
06:08I applied and they said that the date has passed.
06:11If there is any seat available, we will inform you.
06:14Then I got an email saying that we have an opening.
06:19You can give tuition fee.
06:21I was shocked.
06:22How will I get tuition fee?
06:24At that time, it was around 12,000 to 13,000 pounds.
06:27I asked my friends to do it.
06:29They did it together and I paid the tuition fee.
06:33After that, I reached England.
06:35I didn't have money. How will I live now?
06:37There was another friend of mine.
06:39His brother used to live there.
06:41I stayed at his house.
06:43I started trying to get a job.
06:45Then I worked at a hotel reception.
06:47I did my dermatology during the day.
06:49At night, I used to do moonlight in a hospital.
06:51It was a philobotomy.
06:53They used to remove blood and apply ointment.
06:55How long did you stay in UK?
06:57I stayed there for 2 years.
06:59From there, I told my professor that I want to do something else in dermatology.
07:01He said that if you want to do dermatology,
07:03go to the United States.
07:05Then he helped me.
07:07I came here for an interview.
07:09I got a research fellowship here.
07:11My plan was to learn skin pathology from here
07:13and work in Pakistan.
07:15While learning,
07:17I met my friend,
07:19Sumiyo.
07:21She was from Tokyo.
07:23We met in London.
07:25She went back to Japan.
07:27I came here.
07:29I decided to get married.
07:32I was at that age.
07:34If I wanted to marry Sumiyo,
07:36I wanted to stay in a neutral place.
07:38That's why I started studying again.
07:40I passed all the American exams.
07:42So that we can stay here.
07:44After that, I got married.
07:46My wife works in the United Nations.
07:48For the last 32 years,
07:50we are in Manhattan.
07:52Have you ever tried to do business?
07:54Yes.
07:56First, I went to academics.
07:58I was the first Pakistani chairman
08:00of the dermatology department
08:02in the university.
08:04After that,
08:06I published about 300 papers.
08:08I have audited two textbooks.
08:10In terms of Pakistani dermatology,
08:12I think I am very well known
08:14nationally and internationally.
08:16Beautiful.
08:18After that,
08:20I wanted to switch
08:22to a little more on the business side.
08:24I started clinics in California,
08:26New York and New Jersey.
08:28After that,
08:30I have a software company
08:32where we make software for doctors.
08:34What I did was that
08:36there was no closed hospital in Pindi.
08:38The rich people used to go to PIMS.
08:40The soldiers who used to go to the M.A.
08:42were killed by a poor child.
08:44So, we set up a small art bed
08:46in the Afoli family
08:4815 years ago.
08:50We collected a lot of money
08:52and started a foundation
08:54for the people of Pindi.
08:57Now, it is a full flat department
08:59where thousands of people are treated.
09:01There is a fellowship for plastic surgery
09:03and everyone gets free treatment.
09:05In the beginning,
09:07I did it with my own money.
09:09I spoke to Mr. Shabaz Sharif
09:11and he agreed.
09:13But we still play a role there.
09:15When the floods came,
09:17we went to Pakistan
09:19and built 200-300 houses.
09:21There were a lot of people.
09:23We also went to a small village
09:25where there was no girls' school.
09:27It was very far.
09:29So, we launched a school there.
09:31We started it in the first grade
09:33and the 12th grade
09:35graduated next year.
09:37We have 280 girls.
09:39There is a small village near Dariyakha
09:41called Basti Awan.
09:43I did what I did.
09:45But as an organization,
09:47there are so many people like me
09:49who are doing this.
09:51But when APNA does it collectively,
09:53it is a big platform.
09:55You have decided to run for president.
09:57Why did you decide to run for president?
09:59APNA does a good job.
10:01But it is time
10:03that it should be improvised.
10:05We talk about Pakistan,
10:07but sometimes we feel
10:09that we are living in Pakistan.
10:11No, we live in America.
10:13We have to be powerful and influential
10:15according to the American system
10:17so that we can talk to senators,
10:19congressmen and whoever
10:21That is why I want APNA
10:23to be more relevant in America.
10:25That is why I am running for president.
10:27You have been teaching for 30 years
10:29and you are doing a lot of business.
10:31There has been a change in technology
10:33in the last 30 years.
10:35How do you see it in the next 10 years?
10:37Botox, lasers and cosmetics
10:39are becoming more popular
10:41on the surface.
10:43Tell us,
10:45what do you think about the
10:47technology that is coming in?
10:50What are the big changes
10:52that you think are going to happen?
10:54I think the good news is
10:56that even a common man
10:58can check whether the treatment
11:00is valid or not.
11:02Because there is so much knowledge available.
11:04Before giving the treatment,
11:06it has become a personalized medicine.
11:08They can do a genetic test
11:10and tell you whether the medicine
11:12will suit you or not.
11:14Tell us about the injection.
11:16Tell us the details.
11:18They stop making pigments.
11:20There are cells that produce
11:22colour called melanocytes.
11:24The process is that the skin colour
11:26is made from them.
11:28They stop the process
11:30and the colour becomes lighter.
11:32These melanocytes
11:34are present in the brain,
11:36in the ears, in the heart
11:38and in other parts of the body.
11:40We don't know the effect
11:42of the change in activity.
11:44The new talented kid
11:46wants to become a doctor
11:48but he doesn't have the money.
11:50Have you made a scholarship
11:52for the kids?
11:54Yes.
11:56There is a process
11:58to get funds.
12:00Pakistan is a successful doctor
12:02in USA.
12:04I hope you will keep watching
12:06our program.
12:08Until then,
12:10take care of yourself.
12:12Allah Hafiz.