"Agar Pura Nizam hi Imran Khan ki Maafi par khara hai tou..." Ather Kazmi Bold Analysis
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"Agar Pura Nizam hi Imran Khan ki Maafi par khara hai tou..." Ather Kazmi Bold Analysis
"Agar Pura Nizam hi Imran Khan ki Maafi par khara hai tou..." Ather Kazmi Bold Analysis
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00:00Atar Kazmi sahib, Imran Khan sahib and his Jamaat have never asked for forgiveness from their father
00:06to the point of conditional forgiveness, at least show some shame.
00:10Yes, in the statements that have come in the past few days, it seems that there is some shame,
00:13but the issue here is not of forgiveness.
00:15In my opinion, all this debate, especially the one that is being done by the government,
00:19this is a very extreme type of debate.
00:22Forgiveness of what? Is this a personal dispute?
00:24If they have broken the law, and the government says that we have all the evidence,
00:29then convict them. Why is forgiveness mentioned again and again?
00:33That they have said this, they have admitted to this, they have mentioned forgiveness,
00:38it doesn't make sense.
00:40If a person breaks the law, you punish him according to the law,
00:44then this is a very shallow type of discussion that is going on from the government,
00:48that he is asking for forgiveness, then you will forgive him.
00:50Under which law will you forgive him?
00:52Which law says that you should forgive him?
00:54If he has done something against the law, then you should punish him.
00:57But Aamir Ilyas Rana sahib, Lachak is showing us slowly but surely.
01:05What are the reasons behind this Lachak?
01:10Look, there are two things.
01:11Number one, the government is not saying forgiveness, the army is saying it.
01:14And they are saying it directly, they are not sending you and me messages.
01:17They are saying it in the press conference.
01:19So the word government becomes meaningless.
01:22The army has said it directly.
01:24And when it is a matter of crime, if a big leader who has provoked people
01:29and he will ask for forgiveness, then this is the way to go in a big canvas
01:34that let's move the matter forward.
01:36In this, if I sit stubbornly, no, no, no, now you are going to be punished,
01:40you have done it.
01:41We have suffered a lot.
01:42We have removed many ministers from the same court in anger and stubbornness.
01:46What did we do?
01:47We hanged the minister.
01:48What did we do?
01:49After 45 years, we say that we gave the wrong hangings.
01:51But the one who makes a mistake is given a chance.
01:54Okay, if you understand this.
01:56He is saying that today his tone was aggressive.
01:59There was no forgiveness at all.
02:01Imran Khan's.
02:02I have talked to my reporter Imran.
02:04I have done it with complete satisfaction.
02:06But what he said earlier, that I had said at GHQ to protest.
02:09And the stubborn thing was the way to negotiate the deal.
02:13He did not get it.
02:15Today he has said, when he was told that now see what you have heard.
02:18So he said, okay, if he does not want to talk, then I am not going behind to talk.
02:22If not, then do not listen.
02:23This is such a conversation.
02:25He is in anger.
02:26It is present in his mind.
02:27He himself had issued a letter.
02:29The military court should not be applicable to him.
02:31And you know about 190 million.
02:33Today the matter is almost going to end.
02:36Now it will be on Mr. Khan.
02:38Tomorrow when he will complete the investigation, the last investigation.
02:41So Mr. Khan has said this many times that I have such a trump card,
02:45such a trump card, such a witness that I will bring and the case will be reversed.
02:50So now when his 342 is going to be stated, he has to present a witness in his evidence.
02:56So the government is interpreting this as a U-turn.
03:00This is not a U-turn.
03:01In fact, he has maintained his position by saying that if the evidence is shown,
03:05CCTV footages he has been demanding for a long time.
03:08If the evidence is shown, then I will apologize.
03:11This is not a U-turn, Mr. Aamir Ilyas Rana.
03:16Number one, you do recognize that.
03:18Number two, you have raised a very valid point that the reasons behind this can be the military courts.
03:22Roll overs have also been approved by China, Saudi Arabia, UAE.
03:26A bailout package is also going to be received.
03:28The World Bank has also paid for another package.
03:33So tell me, if you combine all these things,
03:36is Mr. Khan feeling in such a vulnerable position where he has to cede this space?
03:44Or as he says, if you want to do it, do it.
03:46I am talking about the interest of the country.
03:48No, look, it is a mixture of both.
03:50I said that the first part was when he gave the name of Mahmood Ajakzai.
03:53And when Mahmood Ajakzai also refused,
03:55he said that I had said the name of Mahmood Ajakzai for political parties.
03:59He took both chances, but he did not get a chance in the answer to the chance.
04:03The answer from there came that we have the same opinion that you have to apologize and ask with a sincere heart.
04:08That is, it should be in an acceptable way.
04:11My wish is that a big leader, a big politician, a big leader of the national community,
04:18if he has to do something for Pakistan, then he will have to take a step back.
04:24The army has basically apologized.
04:26They are also talking from behind.
04:28So everyone should take that path.
04:30Even the judiciary has to come here.
04:32You are saying that Imran Khan should apologize unconditionally.
04:34Make an unconditional apology tender.
04:36Do not put any conditions.
04:38No, so his videos are not made by you and me.
04:42It is not made by any television.
04:44These are the videos of their own people,
04:46where they are all saying that let's go to GHQ, 4th Commander House.
04:51I am not even talking about the audio leak in which Senator Ijaz Chaudhary has ransacked.
04:57I am not even talking about that.
04:59What Shandana Gulzar Mohtarma is talking about,
05:01what Shahid Yarafreedi talked about,
05:03the people who went to them,
05:05didn't the PTI people go to the PF base in Mianwali?
05:07Didn't the PTI people go to the ISI in Faisalabad?
05:09Sir, there are no convictions.
05:11The issue is that there are no convictions.
05:13There is a market for politicians in Uttar Pradesh.
05:15There are press conferences.
05:17It is very clear that the judiciary has given a lot of leeway.
05:19There is no doubt about it.
05:21There is evidence.
05:23They say, what evidence?
05:25You cannot do anything about it.
05:27You can put the investigator on the ground and ask him.
05:29Sir, you are saying that wherever there are cases in the country,
05:31the judiciary is giving leeway everywhere.
05:33I am saying that everyone should sit on this.
05:37Who should sit on this, sir?
05:39The judiciary, the army.
05:41I mean, if you and I say that in the constitution and law,
05:43Imran Khan will sit on which constitution?
05:45You can make Chief of Army Staff and Chief Justice of Pakistan sit on it, sir.
05:49Qazi Faiz Issa Saab,
05:51can't you be a witness to the ATCs?
05:53I can't be a witness to this.
05:55What will be the decisions there?
05:57The PTI has gone to provide complete justice.
05:59The decision given by Adalia's 8th bench in the full court.
06:01When Athar Minnala Saab was saying,
06:03this happened in 2018,
06:05that was the time.
06:07When they were invoking 187, they would have included 18 too.
06:09At that time, they would have called the Army Chief and the Chief Justice.
06:11And they say that instead of the court,
06:13everyone should sit in the meeting room
06:15and talk together for Pakistan.
06:17That everyone has done the same thing here.
06:19So, there is a way to move forward together.
06:21Atar Saab, tell me,
06:23there is also a way,
06:25as Ilyas Saab is saying,
06:27that Imran Khan should take a step back.
06:29Even if it happens, let's accept it.
06:31Let's make an unconditional apology tender.
06:33Will that be accepted, sir?
06:35Will things move forward then?
06:37No, the problem is that things were saying
06:39that they will start moving forward
06:41If the whole system is standing
06:43on Imran Khan's apology,
06:45then I think the entire government
06:47should go home.
06:49I am not in favour of this.
06:51If a person has broken the law,
06:53then you should punish him
06:55according to the law.
06:57The problem is that
06:59the cases of 9th May,
07:01You can say that
07:03from the Supreme Court
07:05to the magistrate's court,
07:07all the courts are providing
07:09special benches.
07:11You sent Hijaz-ul-Ahsan home.
07:13You sent Muzair Naqvi home.
07:15Now there are no special benches.
07:17You used to say that
07:19Mansoor Ali Shah should be put on the bench.
07:21You used to say that Atar Minala should be put on the bench.
07:23Now you have a problem with them too.
07:25You should read the case of Mandukhel Saab,
07:27who was sitting on the bench
07:29and who gave the verdict
07:31that some people were bailed out on 9th May.
07:33You should look at other cases.
07:35The decision of Lahore High Court
07:37can't provide any evidence
07:39regarding 9th May.
07:41No audio, no video.
07:43Then what should the courts do?
07:45The courts have to look at the evidence
07:47and decide on it.
07:49Secondly, what is the problem
07:51with the court?
07:53It is the same court.
07:55It is not a special bench.
07:57You notified Qazi Faiz Isa Saab
07:59three months ago.
08:01What is the reason
08:03that you are not notifying
08:05Qazi Faiz Isa Saab?
08:07If there is any evidence against a person,
08:09if the courts are not accepting the evidence,
08:11you can show it to us on TV.
08:13All the ministers do press conferences every day.
08:15This is a political statement.
08:17Unfortunately, he involved politics
08:19in the unfortunate incidents of 9th May.
08:21The person who was in Karachi,
08:23he filed a case against him in Lahore.
08:25The person who was in Lahore,
08:27he filed a case against him in Mianwali.
08:29And the result was that
08:31there was no conviction anywhere.
08:33Imran Khan himself
08:35admitted to attacking the police.
08:37Did anyone get punished for it?
08:39Should the people who are
08:41protecting you,
08:43the people who threw petrol bombs
08:45on them, should they be punished?
08:47Yes, you threw pomegranates.
08:49We got a gold medal for you
08:51because you attacked the police.
08:53So which court took the notice?
08:55Did anything happen there?
08:57No. Sir, close the appointment
08:59of the judges of the chamber here.
09:01Make a system and ask the people.
09:03Then the problem will be solved.
09:05Here, there is only one chamber,
09:07big lawyers and their students,
09:09they are sitting in all the courts.
09:11Why are they sitting?
09:13Once we give the decision to those
09:15whom we consider less intelligent,
09:17the path will be clear from there.