" Policy Mein Ghalatiyan Hui Hongi Par Nawaz Sharif Ne Is Mein Aik Paisay Ki Bhi Chori Nahi Ki ",
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00:00Hassan Ayub will now ask you a question.
00:02Mr. Miftad, it's a very simple question.
00:04The trap of capacity payments, which is also known as the death trap,
00:09is Mr. Nawaz Sharif involved in this crime or not?
00:13Sir, I don't think anyone is involved in this crime.
00:17Mr. Ghulam Hussain, even if I am angry, God will help me.
00:21But the truth is that I don't think Mr. Mian has ever stolen a single penny from this.
00:25God forbid.
00:26I have never seen anything like this.
00:30And I think there has definitely been a mistake.
00:32There have been policy mistakes.
00:34But I don't think there was any malice involved.
00:36Sir, I am talking about the past statement.
00:38What?
00:39That's what you're saying, right?
00:40Okay, fine.
00:41There was no malice involved in this.
00:43But look, you can definitely say that,
00:45why did you put it on imported coal?
00:47When there was Pakistani coal, you could have used Pakistani coal.
00:50It would have come after a year, after your elections.
00:53But if you hadn't put it on imported coal, it would have been better.
00:56You can definitely say that.
00:58But I don't think there is a solution to this theft.
01:00Yes, that's right.
01:02Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Hussain, please ask your question.
01:06No, but all this, Mr. Ismail,
01:09I don't expect you to be a part of the policy of poor people,
01:16or to be an enemy of the country.
01:18But there are only two points to this chaos.
01:23You didn't care about the people of Pakistan.
01:27And why are you giving 160 or 200 of what is worth 100?
01:33And this robbery and theft,
01:35are you involved in this yourself,
01:37or just to please the people of other countries?
01:41I fail to understand,
01:42what kind of policies were being executed by the Pakistan government?
01:48Look, Mr. Chaudhary,
01:49the real reason is that,
01:53in such a poor country,
01:55where there is a demand of 30,000-32,000 megawatts in summer,
01:59and only 10,000 megawatts in winter,
02:02if you install electricity according to 32,000 megawatts in that poor country,
02:06so that there is no load shedding in summer,
02:08then the 20,000 megawatt plant will remain closed in winter.
02:12If it remains closed,
02:13but if someone has installed a plant at your behest,
02:15then it will remain closed.
02:16You will have to pay the interest costs and depreciation charges,
02:21which we have to pay in capacity payments.
02:24The real mistake in this is that,
02:26we did not think that if we install so many electricity plants,
02:28when we return it in dollars,
02:30then where will that money come from?
02:32And another mistake was that,
02:34the electricity that we were selling,
02:36and today we have the capacity to sell 2 billion units,
02:40but we sell 1 billion and 1 billion units.
02:44So this was our significant mistake.
02:47The second big mistake was that,
02:49we should not have done anything other than bidding.
02:51When Shahid Abbasi was the Prime Minister in 2018,
02:53he had decided that,
02:55no plant will be installed other than bidding.
02:57That decision was later reversed by Imran Khan,
03:00which I think should not be done.
03:02But the truth is that,
03:03we had a little more electricity,
03:052,000-3,000-4,000 megawatts,
03:07so there was no harm in it.
03:09And the second thing is that,
03:10it should not be installed without bidding.
03:12If you bid, there is a price discovery,
03:15so your price is also right.
03:17These are two issues,
03:19I think, in Pakistan's electricity sector.