" IPPs Ka Maamla Itna Sada Hota To Gohar Sahib Jab Wazeer Thay To Khud Hal Kar Letay ",
" IPPs Ka Maamla Itna Sada Hota To Gohar Sahib Jab Wazeer Thay To Khud Hal Kar Letay ",
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00:00The biggest factor in inflation is that there have been a lot of negative changes recently.
00:07That is the electricity bill.
00:09One day, Gohar Ejaz comes and tweets, and then the discussion starts.
00:15The summary of which is that these are independent power producers,
00:19they are called IPPs, they have agreements.
00:22These agreements have been made in a very wrong way.
00:25I am oversimplifying this.
00:27Agreements mean that you produce 1 MW of electricity.
00:30It is a 1000 MW plant, but if it produces 1 MW,
00:33then you have to give it 1000 MW of money.
00:35There are some that are not producing even 1 MW.
00:37Even then, you have to give it money because the agreements are such.
00:40Reverse these agreements so that the government does not have to pay money
00:43so that the electricity bill becomes cheaper.
00:45Is this matter so easy?
00:48If it is so easy, then why didn't it happen before?
00:51If it is so easy, then why didn't it happen before?
00:54Why didn't it come in the discussion before?
00:56First, you look at the question.
00:58Gohar Ejaz has given a fresh statement once again.
01:00What did he say?
01:02We are giving them 2 trillion rupees.
01:05And it is being found that this plant produces electricity at 30%.
01:09And they take 70% of the money without producing it.
01:12We have only one demand.
01:14Whatever electricity we produce, we pay for it.
01:17In the name of capacity payment,
01:19without producing electricity, no one should be paid.
01:22We have prepared a request for the Supreme Court.
01:25There are three such plants that did not produce a single unit
01:28and took 2 trillion rupees.
01:31Is this our agreement?
01:32I have a request from the government as well.
01:34Listen to the people.
01:35The people are in pain.
01:36These agreements, in any case,
01:38these IPPs,
01:40in any way, under any law,
01:43did not fulfill their responsibility.
01:47The government should not be a single-buyer.
01:49Those who give cheap electricity,
01:51should buy electricity from them.
01:52It is not the job of the government to do business.
01:54If we conduct a forensic audit,
01:56everything will be revealed.
01:58Sir, he is also talking about a forensic audit.
02:01You are a relevant minister.
02:03So that we can know whether this is possible or not.
02:06I am very thankful to Sardar Aves Laghari,
02:08who is of course with us, the Minister for Energy.
02:10Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
02:12Assalam-o-Alaikum, Mr. Badami.
02:14Thank you for inviting me.
02:16Sir, thank you very much for your time.
02:18Can you tell people,
02:20if we can keep it as simple and non-technical as possible,
02:22so that the general public can understand.
02:24The way Gauhar Ajay is talking,
02:25it seems to be very simple and attractive.
02:27I don't repeat everything.
02:29It is like this.
02:30If we do it this way,
02:31things will get better.
02:32Is it that simple or not?
02:35No, if it was that simple,
02:38when he himself was a minister,
02:39he would have definitely talked about it.
02:41See,
02:42to make electricity cheaper
02:44is a mandate of our government
02:46and of the Prime Minister.
02:48It is one of his economic programs.
02:52Four months ago,
02:54as soon as we took over this government,
02:56which we have started,
02:58there are different parts to it.
03:02One is the price at which electricity is produced.
03:05Another is the price at which
03:07its plants are leased,
03:09which is called capacity payment.
03:11In which there is a return on its loan,
03:14it also has a profit.
03:16It also has a fixed operation and maintenance year.
03:20And then comes the price of electricity energy.
03:24So there was one thing
03:26that we started seeing for three months.
03:28Okay.
03:29There are losses of transmission.
03:31Mr. Badami,
03:32at this time,
03:33our cheap plants are going to generate electricity,
03:36which is installed around Karachi.
03:40But it cannot be transferred to our load center.
03:46Due to our transmission lines.
03:48With that,
03:49we can make a profit of about Rs. 250 billion annually,
03:53that is, Rs. 2.25 per unit.
03:56If we eliminate the transmission constraint at that time.
04:00Okay.
04:01Unfortunately, no one talks about it.
04:03Then there are distribution companies
04:05that are giving you a loss of Rs. 590 billion annually.
04:09Then there are gas fields
04:12on which the plant can be relocated
04:15and cheap electricity can be generated.
04:18That is not happening.
04:19So when we came to this government,
04:22about 23 of them,
04:24of which one part was to see IPPs.
04:27And sir,
04:28to simplify it further,
04:29I can understand that,
04:30Mr. Minister,
04:31this whole issue of electricity,
04:32which you told in detail,
04:34how much percent,
04:35roughly speaking,
04:36does the IPP contribute?
04:38I will tell you.
04:39I will tell you.
04:40Look,
04:41all the plants you have right now,
04:44if they run at full capacity,
04:47they can produce 260 billion units.
04:50This is megawatt capacity.
04:52This is not a calculation of number of units.
04:55To understand people,
04:56I am talking for the first time in your program,
04:59to explain,
05:00this is a much easier way,
05:01that your total plants
05:03can produce 260 billion units.
05:06Okay.
05:07Out of that,
05:08a total of 108 billion units
05:11were produced last year.
05:13That is,
05:14there are 152 billion units
05:17which can produce this plant,
05:19but they do not produce it,
05:21because there is no capacity.
05:22Right.
05:23Why is there no capacity?
05:24These plants were planted
05:26to meet the demand of our summer,
05:30so that there is no load shedding.
05:31Right.
05:32In June, July, August.
05:34That demand in our country,
05:36in summers,
05:37where you have a demand of 30,000 megawatts,
05:41in summers,
05:42it remains one third in winters.
05:45That's right.
05:46That is,
05:47you have 5 months
05:48when demand is running at one third.
05:51In those days,
05:52what should those plants do?
05:53If they don't produce,
05:54what should they do?
05:55When they don't produce,
05:56then the capacity payment,
05:58that plant,
06:01you have to keep it ready
06:03for 24 hours, 365 days.
06:05Whenever you want to run electricity,
06:07there is an amount of that,
06:09which is in the capacity payment.
06:11And this is what happens all over the world?
06:13Look,
06:14if this thing does not happen,
06:16and what you keep hearing,
06:18take and pay,
06:19and take and pay.
06:20Yes.
06:21If this does not happen,
06:22and if you go above take and pay,
06:24then the price of your fee unit will go up.
06:28Will it go higher than it is today?
06:30No, no.
06:31It can reach close to that,
06:34or it will be a little less than that,
06:36if you go above take and pay.
06:38But,
06:39when these plans were put in place,
06:41Mr. Bhadani,
06:42at that time,
06:43the rate of dollar and interest was low.
06:46Let me tell you,
06:47if the plans put in place in 2016,
06:50whose capacity payments are discussed,
06:53if the plans were put in place at that time,
06:57if the dollar and interest rate was the same,
06:59then today your electricity would be
07:01about 7 to 8 rupees per unit cheaper.
07:05Despite saying these things,
07:07we have at this time,
07:09in the policy of 1994 and 2002,
07:13there were about 28 plans.
07:15The Prime Minister of those 28 plans,
07:18before this press conference,
07:21had given us a task,
07:23which has been almost completed,
07:25and all the things you are hearing these days,
07:28are mostly happening,
07:30because they know,
07:32the government is going to do this work.
07:34Everyone will try to put their share in it,
07:36and try to get their credit,
07:38which is their complete right,
07:40and we are thankful.
07:42All the IPPs that are being discussed,
07:45this is our agenda,
07:47which is already on it,
07:48but the government's agenda,
07:49What is going to happen,
07:50you complete that,
07:51that 28 IPPs,
07:5228 plans,
07:53according to Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
07:54what is going to happen?
07:55In 1994 and 2002,