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00:00I've been in politics for 24-25 years now.
00:04I'm sorry to say this, but the demand for forgiveness is increasing.
00:08They're also saying that we should apologize and then let them forgive us or not.
00:13I've been in this profession for 24-25 years now,
00:17looking at politics directly.
00:20If you take me 10-15 years back, my family is very politically...
00:24I've heard this conversation all my life.
00:27No one knows what's going on inside.
00:32Everyone has a macho image outside that if you do this, they'll forgive you.
00:36Tell me one thing.
00:38It's just about apologizing on 9th May.
00:40Do you remember, there were elections for Punjab and KP, but they didn't happen.
00:44It had nothing to do with 9th May.
00:46That's an old story.
00:47The assembly was broken.
00:48But they didn't let us come to power, so the elections weren't held.
00:52The assembly was broken.
00:54We killed the democracy.
00:56But no one did anything to stop it from coming to power.
00:59They knew it would happen on 9th May.
01:02After 9th May, we'll make them apologize and then we'll let them come.
01:06Do you think it's that simple?
01:08Do you think it's just about 9th May?
01:11No.
01:12This issue started before 9th May.
01:14It's a clash of egos.
01:16This fight started before 9th May.
01:18If someone comes to me and says it's about apologizing and 9th May,
01:22I just laugh.
01:23And I laugh because I'm not ready to see the events before 9th May.
01:27If your issue wasn't personal, if this fight wasn't big,
01:30how many elections would have been held before 9th May?
01:33Not just for Punjab and KP, but for the whole of Pakistan.
01:36Politically, it doesn't make sense that elections are being held for Punjab and KP
01:40and you'll sit in your seats for 4 months.
01:43Elections will be held in the whole of Pakistan.
01:45This issue had already been decided.
01:47The fight had already started.
01:49They said, don't let him come.
01:51And the issue is still with me.
01:53Don't let Imran Khan come either.
01:55This is a personal fight.
01:57It's a fight between people.
01:59So if someone comes to me and says that this is about apologizing and 9th May,
02:03I doubt it.
02:05Because the events of the last 2 years don't support this.
02:09So then the government is also not going anywhere.
02:12If the situation was bad because of 9th May,
02:15if the issue was in 9th May,
02:17then it would have been understood that it's 9th May.
02:21Sudhan, what you're saying makes sense.
02:23The government is also not going anywhere.
02:25Look, as long as they can keep Imran Khan inside,
02:29and as long as they can run him, they will.
02:31Today, let's say, the economy in Pakistan would have been better.
02:34Dollars would have increased.
02:35Do you think this conversation would have taken place
02:36that Imran Khan is being sent a message?
02:37No, the government is also not going anywhere.
02:39Let me tell you one more thing.
02:41When does a conversation take place?
02:44It's not necessary, as Muneeb said.
02:46The situation is a very big determining factor.
02:49What are the circumstances right now?
02:51Weakness is not the number of bullets in a person's gun.
02:54Weakness is the circumstances.
02:56Look at the economy right now.
02:58There is a moral authority challenge.
03:00There is a legal authority challenge.
03:02There are courts.
03:03There are many fronts that are open,
03:06which are not being managed.
03:08So, if there is a conversation anywhere,
03:10it is because people are not able to pay the electricity bill.
03:15People are begging their brothers,
03:16why didn't you come with a bill of 15,000?
03:18This country is running in this environment.
03:20It's not that the money is full,
03:23everyone is eating well.
03:25It's just a political issue.
03:26So, when there will be a conversation,
03:28the reason is that the mess would have become so big
03:30that there will be no instability.
03:33For that, it will be necessary for everyone to come together.
03:35So, I don't believe in this personally.
03:37Yes, a powerful man is always powerful.
03:39He is always on his terms.
03:40But the terms are not just power.
03:42There are also circumstances.
03:43Circumstances are a big term.
03:44But this is a double-edged sword, Muneeb.
03:46Because right now,
03:47the system is not suiting politically.
03:49Because, as Kashyap said,
03:51this is way bigger and greater
03:53than what it seems to be.
03:55Just 9th May.
03:56And you are seeing its backdated trajectory.
03:59But despite this,
04:00the circumstances are getting worse day by day.
04:03So, do you think that
04:05despite the circumstances,
04:07it is still decided that
04:09the government will remain here for 5 years
04:11and as long as Khan can stay,
04:12he will be kept here.
04:13There will be no discussion.
04:15I didn't say that the circumstances have reached there.
04:18I just said that
04:19the determining factors are not just power.
04:21They are circumstances.
04:22Circumstances are there.
04:23And the circumstances are actually difficult right now
04:25because of instability.
04:27The economy is getting worse.
04:28And if it happened because of that,
04:29then it is possible.
04:30But my question is
04:31is this decision confirmed
04:32that the company will remain here?
04:34Look, there are 2-3 factors
04:35that we will have to factor in.
04:37One is that
04:39it is true that
04:41we start analysing everything
04:43post 9th May or 9th May.
04:45When I was not in 9th May,
04:47it was October-November 2022
04:51and when that time passed
04:53and General Asim Munir sir
04:55was appointed as Army Chief,
04:57after that, I wrote
04:59and kept saying time and again
05:01that what Imran Khan has done
05:03was a high-risk game.
05:05Whatever he has done in this,
05:07he will not be forgiven.
05:09Frankly, he was not forgiven.
05:11I kept repeating the same thing
05:13that he was not forgiven.
05:15Now, the circumstances at the moment,
05:17look, this is a fact.
05:19A powerful person remains a powerful person
05:21but naturally, a powerful person
05:23uses his power
05:25according to the circumstances.
05:27At the moment, this government is insulated
05:29because of the establishment.
05:31It is so strong
05:33and it is in power
05:35because the establishment is with it.
05:37As long as the establishment is in power,
05:39the government will remain in power.
05:41Regardless of the fact
05:43that how many problems the government has,
05:45what are the problems of the bills,
05:47everything is there,
05:49at the moment,
05:51the circumstances
05:53are being seen from a different lens
05:55that the government has just
05:57been in power for 5 months.
05:59Everyone knows how the government
06:01has been in power for 5 months.
06:03There are many issues in it.
06:05At the moment, there is nothing like that.
06:07Whereas, the issues of Imran Khan
06:09are much more deep-rooted than
06:11what is seen.
06:13The thought of the entire
06:15establishment of Pakistan
06:17is basically that
06:19the 9th of May was the second attempt.
06:21Imran Khan had made the first attempt
06:23and after that,
06:25it was decided that
06:27there will be no policy change.
06:29Rest, as they say, is history.
06:31There is a chain of events.
06:33If you want to join it, you can.
06:35Sir, the Muslim League
06:37is enjoying the system
06:39only as a beneficiary.
06:41But the problem here is that
06:43at this point in time,
06:45the intercession
06:47that their seniors are going through,
06:49there is no apologetic stance
06:51on this.
06:53There is no regret.
06:55There were meetings,
06:57there were offers,
06:59there was a dialogue.
07:01These are all open secrets
07:03that they will accept and own.
07:05No, no. There is only regret
07:07when someone else is doing it
07:09and you are pointing it out.
07:11When I am doing it,
07:13there is no regret.
07:15It is a matter of credit
07:17that we had a dialogue.
07:19Yes, Muneeb.
07:21The definition of power politics
07:23is that when you are getting power,
07:25regardless of how it is getting
07:27or what is happening in it.
07:29And the second thing is that
07:31when it was being talked about,
07:33everyone used to say that
07:35what happened with us was right.
07:37So, if it didn't go right with us,
07:39then those who did wrong with us,
07:41let them pay.
07:43Now it is time for them to pay.
07:45But Muneeb, I want to say
07:47one more thing.
07:49The bad definition of power politics
07:51is that there is power politics
07:53all over the world.
07:55There is politics for power.
07:57The first attempt of a political party
07:59is to win an election and form a government.
08:01We have defined it.
08:03Power politics is so bad
08:05that all kinds of
08:07non-democratic,
08:09wrong and bad things,
08:11we have included them
08:13in power politics.
08:15It is kosher.
08:17What kind of politics is this
08:19that people from one place
08:21go to another place,
08:23vote in someone's name
08:25and vote for someone else?
08:27What kind of power politics is this
08:29that you want to put these laws
08:31in hell?
08:33Here the Supreme Court decides
08:35and you make another law
08:37against the Supreme Court's decision
08:39and say that this is power politics.
08:41This is not power politics.
08:43This is bad politics.
08:45How did we bring this country
08:47into power because of this bad politics
08:49that we call power politics?