Muneeb Farooq open up on Imran Khan offers to talk with Army

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00:00Khawaja Asif Sahib himself is admitting that meetings were taking place since April 2019.

00:06Where were they taking place? Who were they meeting? What was on the table? What was the proposal?

00:10Today, how is the Muslim League accepting the exception or is it worried when another party is trying to do the same thing and Allah wants to announce it?

00:20Look, the politics of this country revolves around where we stand and where our opponent stands.

00:26If we are on the wrong side and our opponent is with the establishment, then we have to give respect to the vote,

00:32we have to talk about principles, there should be democracy in this country, there should be constitutionalism, there should be constitution.

00:38The country should run according to the constitution. Why should anyone decide that elections should be rigged,

00:42they have to bribe someone, they have to bring someone, they have to be on the same page with someone.

00:46But when you get a chance to stand together, and this is for all political parties,

00:51whoever gets a chance, they go and show their shoulders and say, sir, if you are with us, then it's okay.

00:56Then forget the constitution, forget the vote, forget the elections, they sacrifice all kinds of principles.

01:02Just because the fight of this country is not about the constitution, principles, laws, morals.

01:08The fight of this country is the fight of power, which politicians fight.

01:11How am I in power? And for that, they are ready to take any path that will somehow take them to the chair.

01:19Now, Mr. Zubair.

01:20If you have to polish the boot, then no one has an objection.

01:23Now, Mr. Zubair was saying.

01:24There is no news in this country that who is ready to polish the boot.

01:27Everyone is ready, just waiting for their turn.

01:29Mr. Zubair was just saying that this was not an unconstitutional extension, nor were these meetings unconstitutional.

01:35Look, I am sure whenever there is something like this, there is a give and take.

01:39It is not that there is no work done as a service to God that we will do it unconstitutionally.

01:44Mr. Zubair, whatever conversation took place, a very senior Muslim League Moon friend told me,

01:49who was a negotiator from the beginning with the establishment on behalf of the Muslim League Moon.

01:56And one day he said in a very angry tone that whoever wants to talk, come directly.

02:04And he said that there are politicians, use them, we are there.

02:09Why do they have this interest that I want to talk directly, but that was Mr. Zubair.

02:13So that is why when there is a conversation, look, you mentioned Mr. Zubair, he was used as a pawn.

02:19What did not happen to Mr. Zubair?

02:21There was a conversation, a press release came against him, a video came, everything happened.

02:27And when the time was up, Mr. Zubair was released.

02:30He was thrown out of the party like this.

02:32Now you can see how bitter he is.

02:34This is politics. It is very cutthroat politics.

02:37It is the politics of interest that everyone does.

02:39I will not take dictation over my dead body.

02:42In an interview with you, Mariam Sahiba said that it is a very easy way to polish the boot and join hands.

02:47And after that we saw that there was also a long silence.

02:51When the matter was to be decided, the bails had to be met, everything had to be straight.

02:56If Imran Khan has learned the lesson of power talks to power,

03:00and has tied it from the waist, has tied it tightly,

03:03then why doesn't he learn the second lesson as well?

03:05Why don't you be silent for a while?

03:09Look, it is said that what is right is often forgotten by what is convenient.

03:14So, convenience is seen in power politics.

03:17Now the problem is that the examples you gave of Mariam Nawaz Sharif Sahiba,

03:21it is absolutely correct that when the direction of the wind was on the other side,

03:25she talked about principles.

03:27But it is obvious that when she saw that her government can be formed,

03:30her matters can be corrected in a different way from the establishment,

03:33then she took the second route as well,

03:35that where there is a settlement, there should be a settlement,

03:37where there is a soft impression, there should be an image, that should be there.

03:41But the problem with Imran Khan is, unfortunately, that there are 2-3 major issues.

03:46One is that he is perhaps more than this,

03:50that word may be harsh, but because it is being used,

03:53that boot polish, so he may be more than this.

03:56He is perhaps bending over backwards,

03:58that all this should happen, because power does everything for politics.

04:01The moment you know that I have got this opportunity,

04:04and this opportunity is coming my way,

04:06you would love or you would try to seize the opportunity.

04:09Sir, I apologize for interrupting,

04:12but Muneeb, you are saying that he is bending over backwards,

04:14he says that he will not apologize,

04:16he is also standing based on the same thing.

04:19How is he bending over backwards?

04:21See, the thing is that these are not those things,

04:25it is that narrative,

04:26which obviously, when we probe different things in different ways,

04:30like PTI says that Khan says that he will not apologize,

04:34I can talk, because I have not done anything,

04:37and there is a false flag operation on 9th.

04:39But see, what was Imran Khan's position?

04:42Pre-arrest.

04:43It was the same, and I think,

04:45in a meeting, probably Kashif Bajaj was also a preview of that meeting,

04:48in which he used to say this,

04:50to many senior journalists,

04:51that I want to talk, but I cannot answer.

04:54Even now, the issue is that no one wants to talk to Imran Khan,

04:59and I think Kashif Bajaj would bail me out.

05:01But on his terms, right?

05:02He wants to talk on his terms, nobody else's terms.

05:05No, no.

05:06The thing is that Imran Khan's, or for that matter,

05:10of any politician,

05:11see PTI, PMLN, People's Party,

05:15are all the same kind of parties,

05:17in the sense that everyone does power politics at the end of the day.

05:20The politics of principles goes to the grass.

05:25When you see that the situation is getting better,

05:28then you do everything.

05:29Either that Imran Khan is not tried and tested in all these things.

05:33He is tried and tested.

05:34He kept talking,

05:35I will not do this, I will not do that.

05:37When the time came,

05:38he did everything that was necessary for power politics.

05:41The second thing is that,

05:43the situation now,

05:45this impression is being created that

05:47he wants to talk on his terms,

05:50he wants to negotiate on his terms.

05:52The term is the same.

05:53Those who have power at the moment,

05:56the terms are the same in our country.

05:58No doubt, we are giving showcase statements,

06:01we are not related to politics.

06:03I understand what you are saying, sir.

06:04But the problem is that the terms are the same.

06:06And Kashif is asking for forgiveness.

06:07And then you will be brought out,

06:09you will get bail,

06:10you will come out.

06:11The problem is that he says that I have apologized,

06:13then my politics and statements will end.

06:15He is standing on that.

06:18See, that is the issue.

06:21But this too, allow me to say,

06:24everyone has their own source.

06:26But this is that you ask for forgiveness,

06:29and you will get forgiveness.

06:31And then we will bring you out,

06:33and after a while you will also come under power.

06:35I think this is perhaps,

06:37somebody is stretching it a bit too far.

06:39Because the thing that I have seen recently,

06:43or have been able to prove,

06:44that is one thing.

06:45And it is very easily interpreted,

06:47that asking for forgiveness is the first attempt,

06:49that you have to ask for forgiveness.

06:51And then you have to be a good boy.

06:53And show you are a good boy.

06:54Exactly.

06:55Sir, asking for forgiveness is the first step to come out.

06:58Who is talking about power?

07:00That is a long time coming.

07:02If you could, let me finish.

07:04He is saying that asking for forgiveness is one act.

07:07Accepting forgiveness is the other act.

07:10That comes after that.

07:11That condition is subsequent.

07:13First you have to ask for forgiveness with a pure heart.

07:15Whether we accept it or not, that is our decision.

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