In this intense analysis, we dive deep into the ramifications of the assassination of Ismail Haniyeh, the prominent Hamas leader, in Tehran. Was this high-profile hit a strategic victory for Israel, or has it set the stage for an even more explosive conflict in the Middle East?
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00:00If we have to straight away talk about the fallout of this assassination that has happened in Iran.
00:06We know Ismail Haniya was the diplomat, let's say, call it, of the Hamas terrorist organization.
00:13So he was the visible leader of Hamas.
00:16Pretty much said that he was somewhat of a puppet of the Hamas leader, Yahya Sinwar.
00:23Knowing for a fact that the United States, despite its initial hiccups with the Israeli
00:32governance, Benjamin Netanyahu's ways of working, how big a role do you think it might have played?
00:39The United States designated Haniya as a global terrorist.
00:46Western countries see this as a potential threat.
00:50Maybe the more moderate one, if you could say that amongst terrorists.
00:54Is this an achievement for Israel or it could be a bottleneck?
01:00See that we're actually retaliating and getting to every single one of those responsible.
01:06Hello and welcome to this special broadcast on One India.
01:10We woke up to the news of Hamas chief Ismail Haniya being assassinated in Iran when he was
01:17there to attend a government function, the inauguration of the new president.
01:22And now to discuss the matters further, what does it mean for Israel?
01:26What does it mean for the rest of the world, especially Iran, too?
01:30Zwicka Klein joins us from Jerusalem.
01:33He is the editor-in-chief of the Jerusalem Post.
01:37Zwicka, thank you so much for speaking to One India on this short notice.
01:42Thank you.
01:43Good morning.
01:44I presume and there's no doubt that it's a busy morning out there in Jerusalem as well.
01:49If we have to straight away talk about the fallout of this assassination that has happened in Iran,
01:56obviously Israel will be seen through a prism of the one who carried out the attack.
02:02What does it mean and what are the fallouts possibly?
02:05Right.
02:06So first of all, Israel didn't yet or will ever, I don't know,
02:10actually say that they were the ones that, you know, pulled out this attack.
02:15You know, just speaking to different defense experts, you know, there were different
02:21assumptions as well as it being the United States or even, you know, the head of Hamas,
02:29Yachi Sinwar, as someone that maybe did not agree with his views.
02:34We know Ismail Haniyeh was the diplomat, let's call it, of the Hamas terrorist organization.
02:41So he was the visible leader of Hamas, but he wasn't actually the one making the decisions.
02:48So though he was at all the negotiations for a ceasefire, a hostage deal, but anyone who
02:55I have spoken to that has been in the room pretty much said that he was somewhat of a puppet of the
03:03Hamas leader, Yachi Sinwar.
03:05And, you know, also, I mean, I think having the fact that he's public as opposed to Yachi Sinwar,
03:11who is underground somewhere in Gaza, it makes that an easier target.
03:17Right.
03:18Absolutely.
03:19Definitely.
03:20I mean, there are, you know, thinking caps are already on that.
03:24Why would Hamas want to remove someone who was a public figure yet grown up in Gaza,
03:28studied there and was pretty much revered.
03:31And that's why he was in a position what he was.
03:33And Sinwar calling the shots.
03:35Definitely.
03:35You're right, Zuka.
03:37Knowing for a fact that...
03:38By the way, I don't know if I'm right.
03:40I don't know if I'm right.
03:41But these are the assumptions.
03:43Yes, but that's what we have gathered so far.
03:47Appreciate, appreciate what's there.
03:50Knowing for a fact that the United States, despite its initial hiccups, you know, with
03:58the Israeli governance, with Netanyahu's ways of working.
04:04How big a role do you think it might have played in this attempt also?
04:09Because the United States is going to elections also.
04:12There is a war going on in Russia as well.
04:14So Russia can't come to rescue of Iran or, say, Hezbollah.
04:18And the U.S. can't risk its chances of doing such a step at this point in time.
04:23Right.
04:24So, first of all, it's important to mention, as you pretty much kind of said,
04:27so the United States designated Hamas as a global terrorist by the United States government.
04:37So, I mean, he definitely is on many lists, not only on the list of Israel,
04:41since Hamas is a terrorist organization.
04:43So many Western countries see this as a potential threat.
04:50There are many implications also, even before the American side,
04:55it could potentially have an effect on the negotiations for a ceasefire and for the
05:01release of hostages, since he was the face or the, you know, he was the figure trying to promote
05:09ceasefire and a prisoner swap or release of hostages as, you know, in return for release of
05:18Hamas terrorists who are in Israeli jails.
05:21So this is a situation where he was maybe the more moderate one, if you could say that,
05:27amongst terrorists.
05:28And then that's a very big question because he was the guy actually meeting and speaking
05:33on behalf of Hamas.
05:34When it comes to America, I think this is pretty much a bipartisan issue.
05:41I would hope to say so, since the United States, as you said, you know, despite the hiccups
05:50here and there, both Republican and Democratic parties are against Hamas.
05:56It's not even a question.
05:57Obviously, there's a fringe extreme part of the Democratic Party who kind of supports them,
06:03though they are a terrorist organization.
06:05So, I mean, it may be, I mean, it may have like the extremes speak up, but I think in general,
06:12I think it's, you know, when it comes to political angle, I think it will be OK.
06:17The question is really administration, right?
06:20So how the Biden administration sees this, you know, did they support it?
06:26Did they know about it, right, about it?
06:28Was it a joint effort to do so?
06:31So it's a very kind of we're in a very initial situation.
06:36We're not all we don't have enough facts to assess that type of situation.
06:42I think it would have less of an effect on the American presidential race,
06:47but more on kind of the regional effect here in the Middle East, but also
06:55the negotiations that the United States, Egypt, and Qatar are trying to promote.
07:01Absolutely, that peace deal that is being talked about.
07:05And Ismail, honey, I will say one thing that, you know, here in Israel this morning,
07:11you know, I personally, on a personal level, don't celebrate death of anyone,
07:18though I will say if I'm reflecting kind of public opinion in Israel, people are happy
07:24because, you know, both both the the attack last night on Beirut and Lebanon and targeting
07:31Fouad Shouker from, you know, the senior Hezbollah official, as well as as the killing,
07:39you know, the assassination of Ismail Aniya makes Israelis kind of stand up proud and feel,
07:50you know, that their, you know, defense is stronger than it used to be in the past,
07:57you know, nine months, almost 10 months. Tomorrow is 300 days for since October 7,
08:03beginning of the war. So in a way, it gives many Israelis, not all of them, a bit of hope
08:10just to see that we're actually retaliating and getting to every single one of those responsible.
08:17That said, you know, if I were a father or a spouse of a hostage in Gaza,
08:25I probably would not be celebrating this because the implications could be very big.
08:31What a dichotomy, what a paradox it is, Rika, and thank you for actually, you know,
08:38letting us know about the general sentiment this morning, because you're right, on one hand,
08:44and that's why I have been asking other experts also the same question, is this an achievement
08:50for Israel? Or is it could be a bottleneck also, because the man who was there at the center has
08:56been removed, and hence comes all the theories, whether it was Iran and Hamas itself, who wanted
09:04to, in a way, clear the way and remove all the possibility of any peace deal that could be seen.
09:09Rika, a lot of water has flown under the bridge. Thank you for your coverage, you know, both you
09:15yourself and in India, I think, you know, the coverage has been very fair and positive towards
09:20Israel, and it's not something that is a given. So thank you very much. Thank you, Rika, and we
09:27would definitely connect with you once again, as time and situation permits. But thank you so much,
09:31have a very lovely day, a good day there, and thank you for speaking to One India for that.
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