"Meri Samjh Nahi Ati Kay PTI Ka Akhir Dushman Hai Kon?", Mohammad Malick Raises Important Questions

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00:00There is so much polarization in the country right now that no one can move back from their position politically.

00:07Unfortunately, the country's politics has come to the point that whoever shows interest is in danger of survival.

00:13A few weeks ago, the government talked about banning Pakistan Tariq Insaaf.

00:17And at that time, various political circles expressed great concern that if a political party is banned,

00:22then how will there be political stability?

00:25But what we have seen is that in just a few days, from the ban to the discussion,

00:32and now to collect evidence, and then finally to sit down and talk.

00:38So the government has backtracked to a great extent in this regard from its extreme position.

00:43Let's see how this journey went from the ban to the invitation to negotiate.

00:48The loyal government will move the case to ban PTI.

00:52There is a lot of credible evidence.

01:23Both its political and legal angles will not be completely trashed.

01:27The reference will not go so far, but the material is such that it is being discussed and it is being considered seriously.

01:34There is something in the cabinet that has been terminated.

01:38There is so much evidence that is being collected, that is being discussed.

01:42We had never put it on the flag of the cabinet.

01:45Talk, don't destroy, solve, don't confuse.

01:53So from there to here, PMLN has made a lot of progress this week.

01:57But along with that, Tariq-e-Insaaf has also made a lot of progress.

02:00We were seeing that for the past year and a half,

02:02they had a formal direct meeting with the establishment.

02:07From this week, their tone has also changed.

02:09Mr. Umar Ayyub, then Ms. Aleema Khan, then Mr. Gandapur,

02:13and today again in his press conference, Mr. Umar Ayyub repeatedly said that

02:17he wants to fight with the PMLN army.

02:19We have no problem with them.

02:21Let them be on the side, we will solve our problems ourselves.

02:24Listen.

02:25We want to put the entire community and the army face to face.

02:29And this is harmful for the country.

02:32A set-up that is going on right now is illegal.

02:36And the only solution to this is that there should be a fill-for-election.

02:40Tomorrow we will have our meeting.

02:42What will be our next line of action?

02:45And on that, we parliamentarians, Dharna, which is D-Chowk,

02:49we will also decide on this.

02:52And the government has a clear message that you...

02:56In any case, he was talking about putting the army and the people face to face.

03:01In this, he was particularly accusing the Noon League.

03:04Mr. Mohammad Malik is present with us.

03:06We will talk to Mr. Malik about this.

03:08So, we have seen that the PMLN and Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf

03:11have taken a little step back.

03:13Is this a political strategy?

03:15Or is there really something going on?

03:17Or is it something that has come to everyone's mind collectively

03:21that we do not want to do positioning from this extreme position

03:25so that it becomes difficult to move back from there.

03:28We will try to talk about this.

03:30Mr. Malik is present with us.

03:31Mr. Malik, I have shown two different positions.

03:33From banning PTI to talking about this.

03:36And Tariq-e-Insaaf has also smartly bifurcated

03:41that their problem is PMLN.

03:43It is just a misunderstanding.

03:46What do you make of it?

04:11Mr. Malik, they are trying to make us fight.

04:13And I know that Mr. Asim Munir will not do it.

04:15We do not want it either.

04:16So, you think it is a blow-hot blow-cold.

04:18But the real fight is on May 9th.

04:21It is a very big turning point.

04:23On that, PTI has the same stance that it is a false operation.

04:27So, if you want reconciliation

04:29and at the same time you are saying that you people have deceived us,

04:32you people have done everything

04:34and you are putting it on us, then it is not jelling.

04:36Till now, many people, their stance,

04:39which I liked a lot,

04:41that there is an olive branch,

04:43there is an opportunity to talk.

04:45But from the other side,

04:47maybe the impression is that it is a sign of weakness.

04:50Because when you said on Friday

04:52that you will give a nationwide strike call,

04:54then you stepped back in the end,

04:56the Jamaat-e-Islami came,

04:58the excuse was given that you did not get permission.

05:00If you had taken permission,

05:02then there would not have been any problem.

05:07On May 25, when Mr. Khan came to Islamabad

05:10and there was a lot of noise,

05:12it was also a crowd without permission.

05:14So, it is being understood that

05:16maybe there is no street capacity in PTI.

05:18And the hawks on the other side,

05:20whether they are of the establishment or on the government,

05:23they always have this argument

05:25that there are all lions on Twitter,

05:27there is a lot of presence on Twitter,

05:30so why should we be worried?

05:32And when you give calls and back off,

05:35then you support that argument,

05:37even if you don't want to,

05:39that when it comes to coming on the road,

05:41then threats are made,

05:43and no further talks are made.

05:45Now what is the problem?

05:47The problem is that the PTI statements

05:49on the substantive points on May 9th are the same.

05:51The personal statements made between

05:53Khan Sahib and Army Chief,

05:55those statements have not changed.

05:57So, the points of actual conflicts

05:59have not changed at all.

06:01Now to say that there is a government,

06:03on the one hand you say that

06:05this government is so irrelevant,

06:07it is a powerless government,

06:09we will not even talk to them.

06:11If we talk, we will talk to Pindi.

06:13Now you are saying that the people

06:15who are being picked up, everything is happening,

06:17this government is doing it.

06:19I think the PTI should decide

06:21that if it has to find a solution

06:23through negotiations,

06:25I think that if the PTI sits

06:27at the negotiating table,

06:29even if it sits with other political parties

06:31in the first stage,

06:33with the army later,

06:35then many things will reach.

06:37But on the one hand,

06:39the government is so irrelevant

06:41that we don't want to talk to them.

06:43On the other hand, you are saying

06:45that the government is so strong

06:47that it is making us fight

06:49between us and the army.

06:51These things don't gel.

06:53I think the PTI should decide

06:55whether they have to force

06:57Pindi to talk to us

06:59by force

07:01or you have to find a middle way.

07:03The middle way came

07:05when HZIQ was nominated.

07:07Do you remember the next day

07:09when HZIQ came, everyone said

07:11that it was a great move,

07:13that you came with plausible deniability,

07:15he will talk,

07:17if the people's party talks with PMLN

07:19then we will share the credit.

07:21This was their initiative.

07:23But the next day,

07:25everyone said that HZIQ insisted

07:27on us again and again,

07:29so we said that you should

07:31finish this argument.

07:33It doesn't work like this.

07:35Either you go to the negotiator

07:37or...

07:39If you ask me today,

07:41I am genuinely confused

07:43as to who is the enemy

07:45of PTI at this time.

07:47Till yesterday I was very clear

07:49that it is between Khan

07:51and the army chief.

07:53Today I don't know

07:55whether Shahbaz Sharif is more important

07:57or Nawaz Sharif.

07:59But you have to see

08:01if this is a controlled narrative

08:03in which you are trying to separate

08:05and make a narrative

08:07or you have to backtrack.

08:09But for the government,

08:11Tariq-e-Insaab is a big problem

08:13because in the third and fourth month

08:15there have been two less rallies.

08:17Should the government be worried?

08:19No, the government should only be worried.

08:23If the government is not disrupted,

08:25then the government continues to run.

08:27Nawaz Sharif-e-Insaab also ran his government

08:29in the 134-day protest.

08:31Governments run and are disruptive only then.

08:33The government will be worried

08:35if the concentration between the army

08:37and Imran Khan is less.

08:39The government will be worried

08:41if this equation

08:43which they don't have a solution

08:45for Imran Khan's political issues

08:47has been outsourced.

08:49Let the army take care of him

08:51then we will see later.

08:53But the PTI has to be very serious

08:55because earlier

08:57it was between two individuals.

08:59In the beginning, everyone said

09:01that this is a battle of two personalities.

09:03After May 9, it became PTI v. Institution.

09:05Now, how the PTI

09:07is going to handle

09:09the institutional grievance

09:11is not clear to us.

09:13PTI's leadership

09:15does not distance itself from us.

09:17If the personal attacks on Twitter

09:19are still going on,

09:21all the military top leadership

09:23are still going on.

09:25The biggest problem of PTI

09:27is their digital wing.

09:29There is a big difference

09:31between their policy

09:33and the stated policy of their leaders.

09:35You and I both know

09:37that Rauf Hassan

09:39used to be sad

09:41because he did not know

09:43what the ground realities were.

09:45In the same case,

09:47he was sued in the Pekha court.

09:49I have also said in my show

09:51that you have got the wrong man.

09:53He has been called blind.

09:55Thank you very much.

09:57Thank you very much.

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