" Nawaz Sharif Ko Kehta Tha Ke Hamara Muqaabla Bani PTI Se Nahi Mehengai Se Hai," Asif Kirmani
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00:00Look, for a long time, especially since the PDM government was formed, I had restricted myself from PMLN matters.
00:13The reason for that was that I was understanding that the PDM government is fine, it was taken.
00:19But after that, not going to the elections, I used to think that there would be a lot of loss and whatever happened.
00:25And when Mr. Mian came to London, I used to send him my negative opinion that our real competition is not with Imran Khan.
00:37Our competition is inflation, poverty, unemployment, and the inflation of electricity and gas at that time, everybody knows.
00:45So one thing was that I never understood that Mr. Mian, who makes one decision, and after that he was forced to change the decision.
00:54Who forced you, Doctor?
00:58These people who want to do power politics in the party, Khusham, whom I call political toddlers, who have just joined this party, who have nothing to do with the Muslim League, have no close relationship.
01:12Doctor, what kind of people are they? Because on the one hand, we see Mr. Ahsan Iqbal sitting together, we see Mr. Ishaq Dar sitting together, we see old people sitting together.
01:20But who are you calling toddlers?
01:22I don't take names, I don't have a habit of taking names, but everybody knows who are the people who forced Mr. Mian not to go to the elections, who forced him to vote for the extension, everybody knows.
01:39Doctor, I'm sorry I'm cutting you short. Just give me so much clarity that in these toddlers, whether it is the cabinet of Wafaa or the cabinet of Punjab, are there people present who you are pointing to?
01:53Definitely present.
01:55Are you pointing to Mariam Nawaz Sahiba?
01:57No, I'm not pointing to Mariam Nawaz Sharif. Yes, there will be some people around her. You can look for them. Similarly, there will be some people in the center.
02:06These were the real issues.
02:31No one is paying attention to this. See, governments don't work on statements, tweets, advertisements or self-projections.
02:41But doctor, the problem is that if there are issues within the party, or for a certain time, the toddlers take over, then generally the senior leaders sit in the back and wait for a while.
02:56They come back after the waiting strategy. This happens in a lot of political parties. Didn't PMLN leaders expect that the situation would be the same as it used to be in PMLN?
03:11See, I have worked with Nawaz Sharif for 18 years. And the Nawaz Sharif I know or knew, he used to take the most difficult decisions. He took critical decisions and independent decisions.
03:33But I was seeing from some people that if Mr. Mian wants to do something else, but there is a group of people who convince them and make them helpless. And then the party suffered a loss.
03:47You see, the elections that took place on 8th February, where was that Nawaz Sharif who used to bring a two-thirds majority and make governments in all four provinces? Where is he standing today?
03:58So, doctor, Nawaz Sharif has become completely helpless at this time. He is just sitting as a member of PMLN. Is that what you are saying?
04:09No, I see it in a different way. I don't see how much Mr. Mian used to be assertive in the past, how much of an active role he had. For example, look at the previous elections.
04:25In one day, Mr. Nawaz Sharif, we used to hold 8, 8, 10, 10, 7, 7, 6, 6 gatherings. This time, Mr. Nawaz Sharif held a total of 3-4 gatherings.
04:35So, look, Mr. Nawaz Sharif used to respect him yesterday. I still do. I will continue to do so till the day I die. And I understand that Mr. Nawaz Sharif's loss, though I am no more in this party anymore, but I still understand that Mr. Nawaz Sharif's loss and the loss of the Muslim League is mine.
04:54Look, the public has a pulse. You are not able to connect with the public. You are disconnected from the public. And then I wrote to him many times when he was in London.
05:09But Doctor, Doctor, now tell me this. Now, all the leaders who are leaving, they often say that our relationship of respect for Mr. Nawaz Sharif will remain intact, but we cannot be in this party. This is a strange situation to leave.
05:22When the leaders of other parties leave, they often say bad things about the leader or the party. Something else is going on here. Do you intend to go back to PMLN or any other political party in the near and far future?
05:36Look, the first thing is that I cannot talk about others. I will talk on my behalf. If I had to go back, I would leave the Jamaat, number one.
05:49Therefore, there is no question of going to any other Jamaat because the Muslim League is my own. And number two is that yes, if a progressive Muslim League, a Muslim League that is people friendly, poor friendly, middle class friendly.
06:11Because look, the destruction has been poor and middle class. This 2% elite capture in this country, he has taken all the resources in his hands and the poor are becoming poor, the rich are becoming rich. This is my case.
06:24So I will see if such a Muslim League, but a progressive Jamaat is formed in the future, then I can think. But until then, as an independent, as a political worker.
06:38So basically you have not left politics, only PMLN and no intention of joining any other Jamaat.
06:42Why would I leave politics? Because look, if a person like me does not raise the voice of the poor and middle class, because I belong to the upper middle class, I belong to that class.
06:53If I do not raise the voice of my class and if I keep criticizing during the PDM government, it is on the record in the Senate and in the talk shows. If I used to talk about the middle class of the poor, I used to talk against inflation, I used to talk against electricity bills.
07:08So if this happens to someone, then let it pass. I will talk.
07:38Look, Mr. Shahid Khan is my senior. I did not have any contact with him. The last time I met him was in 2022 in London, in Mr. Nawaz Sharif's office.
07:56My contact with Mifta was temporary. But as I told you, I do not want to leave the Muslim League anymore. Because I am the second or third generation.
08:12Doctor, is there or was there?
08:27So as far as your question is concerned, I have no intention of that. Yes, if they had named it as a Muslim League, then I could have thought.
08:37So you have an attachment to the name Muslim League in itself.
08:40Okay, doctor, tell me one more thing.
08:42I want to die as a Muslim leaguer.
08:48Okay, the name of the Muslim League is also with PMLQ.
08:52The thing is, what will they tell me there?