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Host:
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Guests:
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- Bilal Azhar Kayani PMLN
Halal Ehtejaj Aur Ehtejaj Protest.. Qissa 2 Ehtejaj ka. . Maria Memon's Analysis
"PTI Ko Phir Say Besakhiyon ki Talash Main Hain..." Bilal Azhar Kayani's Statement
Jamaat Islami Shehar Iqtidaar Pahonch Gayi Magar PTI Ka Ehtijaj Kyun Nah Ho Saka? Sheikh Waqas Akram
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- Bilal Azhar Kayani PMLN
Halal Ehtejaj Aur Ehtejaj Protest.. Qissa 2 Ehtejaj ka. . Maria Memon's Analysis
"PTI Ko Phir Say Besakhiyon ki Talash Main Hain..." Bilal Azhar Kayani's Statement
Jamaat Islami Shehar Iqtidaar Pahonch Gayi Magar PTI Ka Ehtijaj Kyun Nah Ho Saka? Sheikh Waqas Akram
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Mary Ameerman, today's top stories are about Halal and Haraam protests.
00:16We will tell you about this in the first part of the program.
00:18Since November-December, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf has set its hopes high.
00:21What is going to happen in November-December?
00:23What kind of courage and determination have they been tested?
00:26We will talk about this in the second part of the program.
00:28In the end, we will talk about the internet ban, the contradictions of the Noon League,
00:31some say there is no ban, some say there is a firewall, some say there is a fiberwall.
00:35We will talk about this in the last part of the program.
00:38But let's start.
00:39There are protests in Islamabad.
00:41There were protests in the country in 2014.
00:43Prior to that, different pressure groups used to come to Islamabad with their own protests.
00:47But there is a difference.
00:48Some protests are Halal.
00:50Some protests are Haraam.
00:52We will not go into history too much.
00:54Obviously, he said, she said.
00:56It becomes a water boundary.
00:58This happened with PMLN.
01:00This is happening with PTI.
01:02Let's leave this aside.
01:04Let's take a look at the recent one-month scorecard.
01:07You will know the difference between Halal and Haraam protests.
01:11From 13th to 19th July, TLP came to Islamabad.
01:14They chose Islamabad to keep their position on Palestine.
01:19When they closed the protests in different places for 6 days,
01:24the people of Islamabad were very upset.
01:26We saw that TLP people stayed on the streets of Islamabad for 6 days.
01:31They were told to stay on the streets for 146 days.
01:34But no one was able to say anything.
01:37The people of Islamabad were upset.
01:39People had to travel long distances.
01:41They had to drive for 1.5-1.5 hours.
01:44But they stayed on the streets for 6 days.
01:47On the other hand, we see that the protests of Jamaat-e-Islami are not Halal.
01:52We saw that the police arrested them.
01:54They beat them up.
01:56They are stopping the leadership from moving forward.
01:58This is the difference between Halal and Haraam protests.
02:01This is an Islamabad city.
02:03There is only one government.
02:04In just one month, there is a clear difference.
02:08The government formed a committee after 6 days of TLP protests.
02:12Rana Sanaullah, the information minister, was present.
02:15They had a discussion.
02:17They came to a decision.
02:19After that, the TLP people left.
02:22We saw that the government formed a committee for Jamaat-e-Islami as well.
02:27We saw that the information minister was present.
02:31He said that he will propose to the people of Jamaat-e-Islami
02:34to take away all the protests.
02:37What did the government say?
02:38What did they offer?
02:40I think that the leadership of Jamaat-e-Islami is very respectable for us.
02:45I would like to request Hafiz Naeem that
02:48the government is ready to form a discussion team.
02:54They are ready to sit with you and discuss these issues.
03:01Jamaat-e-Islami has started a small protest.
03:06Let's see how many discussions they have.
03:08How long will they sit?
03:10Will they be allowed to sit?
03:12Is Islamabad allowed to be jammed?
03:14No, this is yet to be decided.
03:16The government has asked them to talk to us.
03:18There is another Jamaat, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
03:20They have been asking their followers to come to Islamabad for a Jalsa.
03:24The court did not give permission for the first time.
03:26Fair enough, they left.
03:28They are legally involved in the issue of permits for the second time as well.
03:31They have postponed their protest.
03:34Jamaat-e-Islami, on the other hand, is protesting.
03:37The government is trying to influence them as well.
03:41The TLP people left after 6 days.
03:44This is the story of the protests in Pakistan.
03:49I think when people take a political step,
03:52the government is more strict.
03:56Those who are determined to be strict in the future,
03:59we will see that their attitude is not so harsh.
04:04We have with us Bilal Azhar Qayyani and Sheikh Faqah Saqib.
04:07Before your permission, I would like to ask Sheikh Saqib
04:09about his protest which did not take place today.
04:12Sheikh Saqib, what is the status of your protest?
04:14Is the situation up to date?
04:16Jamaat-e-Islami, on the other hand, did not get permission.
04:19They have reached Islamabad.
04:22Hafiz Naeem is leading the protest.
04:25Why did your protest not take place today?
04:29Look, there is a big difference between our protest and theirs.
04:33They only called for a protest in Islamabad.
04:36We called for a protest in the whole of Pakistan.
04:39We called for a protest in every district of Pakistan,
04:42in every district of Pakistan.
04:45We did not call for a protest in the city or district of Islamabad.
04:49So, let me explain to you.
04:51Since the day before yesterday,
04:53our workers' homes have been raided in the whole of Punjab.
04:56Our councillors, our chairmen, union councillors,
04:59the police, the special branch, the CTD,
05:02have been forced to sign surety bonds of 25 lakhs or 50 lakhs.
05:06I have also spoken to the MPAs in our Faisalabad.
05:0915-16 people have been arrested in their every district.
05:13I have also spoken to the Gujranwala.
05:15Our MPAs' dens, their prison vans,
05:18our MNAs' dens have been blocked.
05:22In Lahore, in some places,
05:29there was a lot of violence.
05:31Because the Wahhabis did not let anyone in.
05:34They did not let anyone in.
05:36I will tell you in detail.
05:41I will tell you in detail.
05:43My brother was called and told by the police
05:47that we will close your eyes.
05:50We will close your eyes.
05:52So, in every district of Punjab,
05:55you see Zartaj Gul,
05:57when the villagers went to his city house
06:00and tried to protest there,
06:02he was taken into custody.
06:04Every MNA, MPA, every Obeedwar,
06:07every officeholder of the district,
06:10ticket holder,
06:12everything was jammed.
06:14But I feel very happy to tell you
06:17that in spite of this,
06:19in every district of Punjab,
06:21in every Tehseen,
06:23somewhere small, somewhere big,
06:25somewhere a rally,
06:27somewhere inside Char-Dewari,
06:29somewhere outside Char-Dewari,
06:31there has been a protest.
06:33We have put its footages on Facebook,
06:35on Twitter.
06:37Obviously, we do not run the channels.
06:39You see, whenever we announce a protest,
06:41in Punjab, the number of protests is 144.
06:43Every person has protested
06:45at the cost of their lives.
06:47Every MNA, MPA,
06:49in Sheikhupura today,
06:51there was a big protest.
06:53Our MPAs came out.
06:55There was their protest.
06:57The police tried to stop them.
06:59They tried to push the elders.
07:01You see, and then,
07:03in every district of KP,
07:05there has been an excellent crowd.
07:07In Sindh, comparatively,
07:09KP is not like Punjab,
07:11but there too,
07:13there has been an excellent crowd.
07:15So, when there is a comparison,
07:17we cannot take the risk of the
07:19Jamaat-e-Islami.
07:21We came out in every city
07:23and every district of Pakistan.
07:25Okay, but you still legally
07:27have permission.
07:29Last time, you did not get permission.
07:31Even now, you still have legal
07:33permission problems.
07:35Look, Maria, we are stuck in the
07:37issue of permission in Islamabad.
07:39What do you think, the people
07:41of Punjab do not have permission.
07:43They are being given leaflets.
07:45They have been beaten up since last night.
07:47Look, permission is our right.
07:49Peaceful protest is our right.
07:51If you do not give us our right,
07:53people will take that right.
07:55People have done it in Punjab today.
07:57I will share all the footage with you.
07:59If you can show it,
08:01then show where people have come
08:03from in Punjab.
08:05So, that is not our comparison.
08:07Our country was wide.
08:09You have to respect the courts.
08:11If you file a request in the courts,
08:13you have to respect them.
08:15But there, they said on Monday.
08:17So, on Monday, we will come out
08:19with full force.
08:21Your point is right.
08:23It is easy to be in the government
08:25or not.
08:27I have said this about three different protests.
08:29Two weeks ago, TLP was present.
08:31We have not seen it in Islamabad.
08:33In the name of God,
08:35thank you very much for inviting us.
08:37Look,
08:39I agree with you.
08:41The people of Punjab
08:43and the people of Islamabad
08:45had to face
08:47the difficulties
08:49for six days.
08:51This should not have happened.
08:53I am sure the government
08:55wanted to wrap up this matter
08:57before that.
08:59Eventually, this happened.
09:01I agree with you
09:03that this has become a tradition.
09:05The people of Punjab
09:07and the people of Islamabad
09:09had to face
09:11the difficulties
09:13for six days.
09:15This should not have happened.
09:17We have to break this tradition.
09:19You should assign a place.
09:21The people of Punjab
09:23and the people of Islamabad
09:25had to face
09:27the difficulties
09:29for six days.
09:31You should assign a place.
09:33The people of Punjab
09:35and the people of Islamabad
09:37had to face
09:39the difficulties
09:41for six days.
09:43You should assign a place.
09:45The people of Punjab
09:47and the people of Islamabad
09:49had to face
09:51the difficulties
09:53for six days.
09:55You should assign a place.
09:57The people of Punjab
09:59and the people of Islamabad
10:01had to face
10:03the difficulties
10:05for six days.
10:07You should assign a place.
10:09The people of Punjab
10:11and the people of Islamabad
10:13had to face
10:15the difficulties
10:17for six days.
10:19You should assign a place.
10:21The people of Punjab
10:23and the people of Islamabad
10:25had to face
10:27the difficulties
10:29for six days.
10:59On a serious note,
11:01On a serious note,
11:03the incident of 9th May
11:05was just one event
11:07in a series of events
11:09in the history of PTI.
11:11If you look at the Supreme Court
11:13hanging clothes,
11:15the attack on the PTV building,
11:17the attack on Zaman Park,
11:19the law enforcement agencies
11:21and the police
11:23have been frightened
11:25after the permission
11:27handcuffs.
11:29They were attacking
11:31the plane of the
11:41Books.
11:43These things
11:45happened around
11:47the same time
11:49in the past
11:51ten to twelve years.
11:53Remember
11:55If you remove Imran Khan as a political figure,
11:58someone else is doing it in the country,
12:00and he has been doing it for 10-12 years,
12:02then you will also say that this is too much.
12:04But it is happening.
12:05It happened in 2017, 2019, and now it has happened in 2024.
12:08You told them to wait for 6 days.
12:10Neither Imran Khan can be removed from this country,
12:12nor can Imran Khan be removed from people's hearts.
12:14As far as the TLP protest is concerned,
12:16What happened in 2017, 2019, and 2024?
12:18At that time, there were a lot of heartbreaking incidents
12:21when police forces went there
12:23to remove Imran Khan's legal setting,
12:25and they were attacked.
12:27So, I will never condone it or accept it.
12:30So, how long has 144 been in place?
12:32Is it final?
12:33Until these people want to do politics in Islamabad?
12:35I don't know about their particulars,
12:37but I know that their process is going on with the administration.
12:40But the problem is that how many times
12:42have they been given the permission to protest?
12:45And how many times have they violated it?
12:47You must remember that once Imran Khan
12:50was leading a march,
12:52he got permission for I-8.
12:54And he decided.
12:56And that day, Imran Khan said,
12:57No, I will go.
12:58And the next day, when the matter arose in the court,
13:00I remember that a judge said,
13:02Maybe they didn't get the message.
13:04Although he himself had said that
13:06last evening he told me on the container,
13:08The message has reached, we will go.
13:10So see, there is a repeated history of this party,
13:13violating whatever they agree,
13:15whether it's inside parliament,
13:16whether it's particular to protests.
13:18They have been making these agreements again and again.
13:20So that's why if they feel that
13:22there is any more hesitation from the administration,
13:25then there is also a reason for it.
13:27And they have made this justification
13:29with all their hard work.
13:31The administration is on their hands,
13:33they can hesitate.
13:34Mr. Sheikh, then this justification
13:36must be some kind of confidence building measure,
13:38that it won't work,
13:40the trees won't burn.
13:42No, first of all,
13:44let me tell you this.
13:46The administration
13:48says that
13:50we are forced to come here.
13:52They say in Punjabi,
13:54they give them two slaps.
13:56Then they say to us,
13:58we are helpless, we don't want to stop you.
14:00We are also like Imran Khan.
14:02We also want you to come out for us.
14:04You come out for Imran Khan.
14:06You come out against this expensiveness.
14:08The leaders of Mr. Kiani,
14:10who have snatched and looted
14:12and made a government here,
14:14the electric poles that they are installing every day,
14:16they say that we are helpless.
14:18We have been humiliated by the government.
14:20They say, we will also come out with you.
14:22In fact, I have seen in some uniforms
14:24that they have come out with us in some sessions.
14:26So people want to protest everywhere.
14:28This is our constitutional democratic right.
14:30Just from the 144th time,
14:32no one's mouth,
14:34not even the single largest party,
14:36not even the biggest party in Pakistan,
14:38can be shut.
14:40But Mr. Sheikh, they say that
14:42they don't follow the guarantees.
14:44This is my word against his word.
14:46They don't act.
14:48They have given an example.
14:50There are tens of thousands of such examples.
14:52At the time when they were
14:54campaigning against the governments,
14:56what were they saying and doing?
14:58You tell me, Maria,
15:00what choice does the opposition have?
15:02You tell me,
15:04how many choices does the opposition have
15:06to raise their voice for their right?
15:08After all, this choice is left
15:10that the 144th time,
15:12we have to protest against
15:14what is being done only for us.
15:16But let me make it very clear to them.
15:18Any time,
15:20we are talking about the agreement,
15:22the agreement of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
15:24and Imran Khan is with the people.
15:26The agreement is that we will
15:28get this country out of them.
15:30We will take the country to a better place.
15:32Okay, how will this happen?
15:34I will go to the break.
15:36I will come back after the break.
15:38From yesterday, we have seen
15:40Welcome back.
15:42Yesterday, we heard a statement
15:44of Umar Ayub,
15:46who came out and
15:48spoke to the media.
15:50And what he said in that
15:52was very interesting.
15:54Because he said that
15:56the PMILN,
15:58which wants to fight
16:00the army,
16:02that is, the commander-in-chief,
16:04because these are his own words,
16:06he wants to fight
16:08Tehreek-e-Insaf.
16:10This is very interesting
16:12because it is being
16:14carefully dissociated
16:16with the previous statements.
16:18And this impression is being given
16:20that the Noon League
16:22is doing all this.
16:24Let's hear
16:26the context in which Umar Ayub
16:28spoke.
16:30The government of Shahbaz Sharif
16:32and this PDM is facing
16:34the Pak army and Tehreek-e-Insaf.
16:36These people want to
16:38bring out their evil.
16:40God willing, we will never let this happen.
16:42And neither will the commander-in-chief
16:44or General Asim Munir let this happen.
16:46Okay, I think
16:48Umar Ayub, although he is
16:50in a very responsible position,
16:52this political statement cannot be made.
16:54It can only be a party policy,
16:56but it was strengthened
16:58when Aleema Khan
17:00said more or less that the government
17:02of PMILN and PDM wants to fight
17:04with the army.
17:06They have completely lost.
17:08They want the army and PTI
17:10to confront each other.
17:12They want to have a PTI fight
17:14with the army.
17:16Our army is the backbone of Pakistan
17:18and it should be respected.
17:20This is our very precious army.
17:22It is very precious for the security
17:24of this country.
17:26Mr. Sheikh, I have spoken to you
17:28many times about these programs.
17:30Tehreek-e-Insaf's categorical position
17:32is that we do not want to talk
17:34to the politicians because
17:36they do not have any authority.
17:38You will talk directly to Muqtada.
17:40Now to say that the politicians
17:42and PDM have so much authority
17:44that they want to fight
17:46with your army.
17:48What is this?
17:50Do they have authority or not?
17:52Do they have everything in their hands
17:54to make you fight?
17:56If you allow me,
17:58I will clarify a little.
18:00I think that
18:02to fight,
18:04you do not need authority.
18:06You need satanism.
18:08And satanism is usually done
18:10by those who do not have
18:12the desire for authority.
18:14They do not even have the authority
18:16to exercise authority.
18:18You have asked a good question.
18:20You have fully supported my point.
18:22We are saying that because
18:24they do not have authority.
18:26Punjabi people do not use
18:28their authority.
18:30They are doing satanism.
18:32Give an example of satanism.
18:34Where did they make you fight?
18:36There are so many
18:38internal communications
18:40that reach you
18:42from time to time.
18:44And many times,
18:46incidentally, they try to pitch
18:48such things that
18:50Pakistan Tariq-e-Ansar
18:52is against Pakistan.
18:54We have always been talking
18:56about Pakistan.
18:58The position of the party
19:00is also in front of you.
19:02But in terms of Pakistan,
19:04security forces,
19:06Pakistan Tariq-e-Ansar
19:08has always been clear.
19:10They want to create
19:12such an atmosphere.
19:14They show you such
19:16promos on TV.
19:18They try to remind you
19:20again and again
19:22that God forbid,
19:24a month ago,
19:26I have repeatedly said
19:28on different programs
19:30that they want to use it.
19:32Today, the same thing has come.
19:34Spreading these misunderstandings.
19:36Because the shop was not running.
19:38The work that was given
19:40is not being delivered.
19:42Now what is the fear?
19:44Why do they want to stop the protest?
19:46If people have joined
19:48this protest,
19:50then there will be devastation.
19:52You had a Twitter handle
19:54that the person was on one side
19:56and the institution was on the other.
19:58After that, you were called
20:00a digital terrorist.
20:02This is also a part of the record.
20:04Then there was no sign of your party.
20:06This is a long story.
20:08This is done by the PMLN.
20:10I think
20:12who is the beneficiary
20:14of this
20:16confrontation?
20:18Who is the beneficiary
20:20at this time?
20:22These are the beneficiaries.
20:24If in the institution
20:26and in the institution members
20:28there is a disagreement
20:30in any political party
20:32and it goes on for a long time.
20:34If a non-league beneficiary
20:36comes out of it, then the
20:38causes of satanism are the same.
20:40And if this neutrality happens,
20:42then there is no problem
20:44with the current commander-in-chief?
20:46Look, Mr. Khan has given
20:48his statements.
20:50As a party rep, I have no right
20:52to retrieve or withdraw
20:54Mr. Khan's statements.
20:56Okay, fine.
20:58You want to make them
21:00fight.
21:02The real problem is
21:04to gain authority.
21:06But they will not let this happen.
21:08Is this a surprise for you?
21:10Is this news?
21:12Or is it your joke that you really want to make them fight?
21:14No, no. I would say
21:16that on one hand,
21:18they say that we do not want to talk to them
21:20in political parties.
21:22They have nothing in their hands.
21:24We want to talk to those who did this
21:26and did that against us.
21:28This was said a few weeks ago.
21:30They said that you do not have authority.
21:32So, you are doing all this to gain authority.
21:34No, no. How did we make them fight?
21:36You yourself said that you do not want to talk to us
21:38because you think we have nothing.
21:40When we do not have anything,
21:42then you...
21:44I am saying
21:46that
21:48first of all,
21:50they were wrong before
21:52and now they are right.
21:54Both things cannot work together.
21:56Secondly, they say that we made them fight.
21:58So, we made them fight in the same way
22:00that we made them fight on 9th May.
22:02On 9th May, we put their political
22:04and media faces on the streets
22:06wearing PTI dupattas and putting PTI flags
22:08on the cars. We brought them out.
22:10And we brought their workers out.
22:12You are also doing this.
22:14This is not a very subtle U-turn.
22:16This is again a search for bastards.
22:18I will give you an example of this
22:20by Mr. Khan recently.
22:22In April 2022, he said that a certain person
22:24has overthrown my government.
22:26A few months later, he is sitting with the same person.
22:28He is negotiating with the same person.
22:30On the request of the same person,
22:32Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and the ASMD of Punjab
22:34made a statement. I am not saying this.
22:36Mr. Khan himself admitted this on TV.
22:38Two days ago, on 9th May,
22:40Mr. Khan himself made a statement.
22:42If you look at the past few months
22:44and weeks,
22:46from the official accounts of PTI,
22:48against the army chief,
22:50against the army,
22:52what kind of despicable campaign
22:54has been going on in front of you?
22:56Forget the past few years,
22:58look at the past few weeks.
23:00In fact, I think you should leave it.
23:02Two or three days ago, when DGISPR
23:04held a press conference,
23:06in which they mentioned Azm-e-Istaqam,
23:08who are they trying to fool?
23:10If there is a new desperation
23:12in the search of witnesses today,
23:14that can happen.
23:16Otherwise, no one can be fooled.
23:18What has changed in the last four days?
23:20I want to answer you.
23:22Earlier, the word misunderstanding was used.
23:24The party thought that the situation
23:26has reached its limit.
23:28The security situation, the economic situation,
23:30all the misunderstanding
23:32or the confrontation that has happened so far,
23:34if things go beyond this
23:36because of the party,
23:38then as a whole,
23:40for the state,
23:42it will not be right.
23:44Anarchy, division, destruction,
23:46this is not right at all.
23:48As for the misunderstanding,
23:50he is my brother,
23:52I answered earlier,
23:54he doesn't want to actually understand,
23:56but he does understand,
23:58he is a smart man,
24:00he is a sensible man.
24:02I just want to tell you that
24:04the party that is getting special seats,
24:06the party that has been considered
24:08a parliamentary party,
24:10which has crores of voters,
24:12and the party that is going
24:14to become a single majority party
24:16in the National Assembly,
24:18they need basaqis.
24:20They need basaqis.
24:22They need basaqis.
24:24We are talking about a smear campaign.
24:26We are talking about a niche campaign.
24:28He is my brother.
24:30I did not expect this word from him.
24:32When you say something against
24:34this great man of the country,
24:36that his wife's crushes and
24:38this kind of nonsense,
24:40the people of your party do it.
24:42That is also an objectionable point.
24:44Again, four days ago,
24:46I heard Umar Ayub's press conference.
24:48On the same day,
24:50we all heard another press conference
24:52from Muktidara's representative.
24:54This language was not there that day,
24:56this mood was not there,
24:58this tone was not there.
25:00I think this country belongs to all of us.
25:02The tone has not changed at all.
25:04There is a stance in front of you,
25:06and that is that
25:08as far as we have reached,
25:10there is no further misunderstanding
25:12in favour of the state.
25:14What has happened in this
25:16that we have asked someone's permission?
25:18The blame is shifting
25:20towards the political parties and the PDM.
25:22Earlier, you thought that
25:24they are helpless,
25:26they are beneficiaries.
25:28When the incident of 9th May took place,
25:30whose government was it?
25:32It was their government.
25:34Similarly, who was the Prime Minister?
25:36It was Shahbaz Sharif.
25:38Now you tell me,
25:40take out the programs of that time.
25:42Didn't we say that
25:44the Noon League is involved
25:46in the 9th May incident?
25:48Our people's statements are there.
25:50Who was the beneficiary?
25:52The Noon League was the beneficiary.
25:54There is a difference between
25:56the Noon League and the Noon League.
26:00I am talking about the beneficiary.
26:02I am not talking about the instigator.
26:04It is in the interest of the beneficiary
26:06that the matters
26:08should never be straight.
26:10I want to say with clarity
26:12that there has been no change
26:14in tone or toner.
26:16There should be no further misunderstanding
26:18that they want to spread.
26:20Things are not being controlled by them.
26:22People are waiting for them with sticks.
26:24They are not being able to deliver.
26:26Instead of a positive performance,
26:28they have failed.
26:30People are cursing them.
26:32We want this matter
26:34not to go ahead.
26:36That is why Khan has also asked
26:38for a new election.
26:40The message given by Mr. Khan
26:42should be seen by the institutions themselves.
26:44Who are these people
26:46who have been made to sit
26:48and who have been forced by the government
26:50and who are not even capable
26:52of carrying out their own
26:54political engagements?
26:56Remember that the people
26:58who do not carry out their own
27:00political engagements
27:02are now dead weight.
27:04The election that you spoke about
27:06in November and December
27:08was started by Tariq-e-Insaf.
27:10This happened when Umar Ayub Khan
27:12again came out and said
27:14that everyone should prepare for the election.
27:16Asad Qaisar is giving the
27:18timeline of December.
27:22Let's listen to the announcement
27:24made by Mr. Khan.
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36:44crisis, Microsoft had a bug and because of that update, everything happened.
36:49Only Pakistan or Bangladesh, we want to bring Bangladesh model,
36:53everything is happening there.
36:55Now the government, I think, clearly has only one way,
36:59to gaslight and pretend that this is not happening.
37:02Fariha Aziz Sahiba is with us, she is a digital rights activist.
37:05So if you complain about anything, Fariha, if you talk about anything,
37:08the government will say that this is not happening,
37:10this is happening to you, this is happening to the whole world.
37:12So gaslighting is our national policy in this regard.
37:20Let's try to get in touch with Fariha Aziz Sahiba again.
37:24Because the government said in this regard that
37:28this firewall, someone is saying that we have kept it,
37:33someone is saying that we have not kept it,
37:35someone is saying that we are trying,
37:36someone is saying that we are not trying,
37:37the information minister is saying that the internet is not slowing down.
37:39So in confusion, in a controlled chaos, in confusion,
37:43if we take Fariha Aziz Sahiba on the phone,
37:46because we have limited time, we are talking to her.
37:48Yes, Fariha, is there a firewall or not?
37:51The government is saying that the internet was not slowing down.
37:53Now you see, I myself have dropped it,
37:56I have updated the broadband, I don't know how much it lasts.
37:59So there are problems in the internet,
38:02and for many months, in fact, since the beginning of the year,
38:05there have been problems that the internet is slowing down,
38:08there is throttling.
38:09After that, what we saw with WhatsApp disruption,
38:12that is perhaps the first evidence of sorts
38:15that what level of capability or deployment has been done.
38:18Now the owners of the technical glitch will say
38:22that the technical glitch is a global disruption,
38:24which is not at all.
38:25And now, as you said, the references that have been given,
38:29that it is being admitted that yes, something is stuck,
38:32but what is being said that London and the US and here,
38:36and about this defamation law,
38:38they never give a reference that what is specifically.
38:42And such a firewall is not at all.
38:45If you are giving references to the UK and the US,
38:48then not at all, especially about institutions,
38:51neither are laws used in that way,
38:53nor is technology used in that way.
38:55If you add up, then China or the UAE,
39:00but if you look at those regimes,
39:02then either we are on paper,
39:04but whether there is democracy or not,
39:06first determine this.
39:08After that, when they say that it happens here, it happens there,
39:11but they do not give any reference.
39:13And here the rule of law is also missing.
39:16Those protections are also missing, which are in other places.
39:19So Fariha, are there any countries in the world
39:21where firewalls are installed
39:23and they are monitoring the data of their citizens,
39:25controlling it, censoring it, successfully doing it?
39:28In some countries, for example, China, Russia,
39:32is this the same kind of firewall?
39:34Yes, look, the example of China is given,
39:37and the word firewall also comes from there,
39:40in this context, the context of political control.
39:44But the firewall of China,
39:46which is called the Great Firewall or the Golden Shield,
39:49China is structured in a very different way.
39:53All its infrastructure is local.
39:57All your applications, etc.
40:00So the presence of companies there is done in two ways.
40:03One is obvious,
40:05to what extent access is being technologically controlled.
40:09But this does not mean that people do not use VPNs in China.
40:13With that, the regulation function comes,
40:15that if VPNs are monitored or registered,
40:18or to you people,
40:20it is obvious that it is not anonymity,
40:22or if you bought it through a card,
40:24then you have access to it.
40:26So that is the whole system.
40:29Now, if we are told that we are going towards the system of China,
40:32that is a different thing.
40:34Even in the UAE, we see that WhatsApp calls cannot be made,
40:38it is also restricted there,
40:40there is also company compliance there.
40:42But where do we have to go?
40:44And then it is obvious that we have a political environment,
40:47we have a particular context.
40:49And people's employment is also linked to the internet in this country,
40:52many industries.
40:53Thank you very much for being with us.
40:55The program is over.
40:56Do not forget to give your feedback.
40:57Take care. Goodbye.