IPPs Se Kiye Gaye Muahiday Saal 2050 Tak Chalein Ge?? Aakhir Is Ka Hal Kya Hai??
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00:00Mr. Hafiz, there are two things that need to be understood.
00:03One is that the government is being threatened.
00:06They are saying that the sovereign guarantee that you mentioned,
00:09tell us the consequence of that.
00:12If we don't act on it,
00:15if we end the agreement as a party,
00:18what will be the loss of that with the IPP?
00:21The second question is, what is the way forward?
00:25The agreements that you have made,
00:28as I was reading your article,
00:31that will continue till 2050, so something has to be done.
00:34Who will do it? Will the government do it?
00:37Will the Supreme Court do it?
00:40We have to take a stick and stick.
00:43We have to put the establishment in front of us.
00:46The installed capacity in your country
00:49is approximately 43,000 to 44,000 megawatts.
00:52The maximum capacity that goes into your country,
00:55goes into consumption,
00:58sometimes it is 26,000, sometimes it is 27,000,
01:01sometimes it is 28,000, but it never goes above 30,000.
01:04It varies.
01:07Your power projects are giving you 9,000 to 10,000 megawatts.
01:10Now you see,
01:139,000 to 10,000 megawatts,
01:16they have blown up your entire energy mixture.
01:19In that energy mixture,
01:22you have to balance it.
01:25Then in your bill,
01:28your interest or late payment charges,
01:31you have put them in it.
01:34And then there is one thing,
01:37if you don't make it, and since you don't need it,
01:40you must have seen that sometimes they say,
01:43we have done more because some of your units
01:46give you 250 to 300 rupees per unit.
01:49You know every other day,
01:52that PPA is coming,
01:55sometimes it is coming on fuel adjustment,
01:58sometimes it is coming on quarterly adjustment,
02:01sometimes it is coming on rates, sometimes the government is increasing it.
02:04Now what is the way forward for this?
02:07The way forward is, number one,
02:10the government should decide today,
02:13that we don't want to extend any IPP contract.
02:16There are some rumors,
02:19that those whose periods have expired,
02:22they are trying hard to take us into it.
02:25When your country has more capacity than your consumption,
02:28why are you giving them?
02:31This is the first line.
02:34The second line is,
02:37contracts are never revoked unilaterally,
02:40but you use the contracts in those parameters.
02:43You use the contracts in those parameters,
02:46which I have pointed out to you,
02:49that you check the fundamentals,
02:52that they should come through the FDI,
02:55who are the people behind them, who are their sponsors,
02:58and whose name is being used.
03:01Secondly, you do their audits,
03:04forensic audits, heat audits,
03:07and then you do their tax audits.
03:10If you go into these things,
03:13then you will lose them.
03:16If you stay behind them,
03:19they will scare you from international law,
03:22they will scare you from sovereign guarantee.
03:25You see, all the campaigns that are going on,
03:28Ayub, do you see an IPP person in front of you?
03:31Our assistant finance minister comes and clarifies it.
03:34Our water and power minister,
03:38he is a spokesperson of these IPPs.
03:41If you are in the government,
03:44it is your job to solution it,
03:47it is your job to defend it.
03:50Sir, what is this heat audit?
03:53Someone told me that some IPPs are like this,
03:56I will give you some document evidence,
03:59that when some IPPs had an agreement with the government,
04:02their installed capacity,
04:05they have increased it.
04:08This is the heat audit, right?
04:11This is the heat audit.
04:14Your RIM is supposed to be 6 GB.
04:17You can only generate 10 units of electricity,
04:20but you have written 15 or 20 in the document.
04:23I said that your RIM is 6 GB,
04:26you are charging a bill of 14 GB,
04:29you tell me that till date,
04:32it is the job of the government of Pakistan.
04:35Why is the government silent?
04:38The government is silent because...
04:41He was inexperienced earlier,
04:44he is still inexperienced.
04:47Look at the consistency,
04:50if the PTI people had gone before the minister,
04:53you would have seen a person who you could not find,
04:56that was Nadeem Babar.
04:59There was a person sitting with him,
05:02there was a report made by Muhammad Ali,
05:05you can go to it,
05:08in which he also said to reduce it.
05:11The report was very good if you look at it.
05:14The best report came from the Standing Committee of the Senate.
05:17The person who identified it,
05:20the simple thing is that,
05:23if your entire problem is
05:26that your national economy is in disaster,
05:29your national security is becoming a threat,
05:32that is, if the business of this country goes out,
05:35the people of this country cannot give money,
05:38there is no economic viability in this country,
05:41and you say that we have to fulfill our liability,
05:44which conscious man of the world will say that
05:47for that liability, you should go to that black hole,
05:50in which people are,
05:53if you talk about Pakistan,
05:56it is a protected consumer,
05:59if you do its salary of Rs 20,000-22,000,
06:02then if it crosses more than 200 units,
06:05then the entire salary is being given to you,
06:08he has to teach children,
06:11he has to run a house,
06:14and we are only in this thing,
06:17that if the liability goes away, we don't know what will happen.
06:20I am saying that if any contract of the world
06:23is threatening your national security,
06:26economic security and the economic viability of that country,
06:29then all the clauses should be used in it,
06:32which reverse those things,
06:35sovereign guarantee is the last option,
06:38that is when you work on the literary,
06:41I know, you know, everyone knows,
06:44that there is fraud in it,
06:47there is excessive use of authority,
06:50there are technical things in it,
06:53which can be addressed,
06:56and after that we keep our eyes closed,
06:59if we keep our eyes closed,
07:02every person in Pakistan says that
07:05you are taking Rs 9,000 from them,
07:08you are giving them Rs 42,000,
07:11you will go to Bangladesh,
07:14do you know how we are meeting them,
07:17this is another tragedy of Pakistanis,
07:20that we take them in our currency,
07:23because their currency is strong,
07:26and Pakistan's currency is low,
07:29so this is the difference,
07:32if their currency is strong,
07:35if they have maintained the dollar,
07:38then you go to that,
07:41you go to these shops,
07:44you don't see the customer,
07:47and everyone has kept the lights up,
07:50because the one who has kept the lights down,
07:53I think he will sell his things and go there,
07:56and see the condition of the houses,
07:59people are afraid of everything.