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Heated Debate Between Khawar Ghumman & Hassan Ayub In Live Show
Heated Debate Between Khawar Ghumman & Hassan Ayub In Live Show
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00:00So those mistakes have been made by the Supreme Court, right?
00:02So today, the Supreme Court's decision, what is the guarantee that this decision is not wrong?
00:05The right that the Pakistani Supreme Court does not have,
00:08if the Supreme Court uses that right,
00:11then the fingers will be raised on the Supreme Court.
00:13But it has not been rewritten, right?
00:15This is your argument that it has been rewritten.
00:16Yes, it has been rewritten, sir.
00:18This is my argument.
00:19This is the argument of a majority of Pakistan,
00:22of the Vukla community.
00:23Okay, where has it been rewritten?
00:24I am not a single man, I am a very big person.
00:25Where is the word of rewriting written?
00:26Tell me where the word of rewriting is written.
00:30Hassan, I have a question, I have to comment, you can also comment.
00:34Sir, I have to comment.
00:35Actually, the problem is that our media community,
00:40in the media community, many of our friends,
00:43now somehow want to say day and night,
00:46because the Supreme Court's order has come.
00:47Now, the Supreme Court, like Hassan Al-Battar Sahib is saying in the past,
00:50that the countless mistakes,
00:51which they have made, I do not repeat them,
00:54they save time.
00:55So those mistakes have been made by the Supreme Court, right?
00:57So today, the decision of the Supreme Court,
00:59what is the guarantee that this decision is not wrong?
01:01See, rewriting the constitution is not the job of the Supreme Court.
01:05This is the job that the Supreme Court has not given the power to the Pakistan Constitution.
01:08The thing that the Pakistan Constitution does not give the power to the Supreme Court,
01:11if the Supreme Court uses that power,
01:14then the fingers will be raised on the Supreme Court.
01:17Whether it is a full court,
01:18whether it is three judges,
01:19whether it is one judge,
01:20Sir, instead of raising one finger,
01:23raise ten fingers, this is your right,
01:25you can discuss the judgment.
01:27But you can't say that the Supreme Court has done the work of a non-judge.
01:34The judgment of the Supreme Court is very clear.
01:36Okay, Mr. Nagbir, do you want to ask a question?
01:37No, I will complete the point, Sir, I have commented on the point.
01:40Hassan, this is what you are saying every day.
01:43Sir, you are talking about Chaudhary Ghulam Hussain Sahib after Form 45,
01:46he has been doing it for four years.
01:48You have never stopped him, have you stopped me?
01:50Sir, the thing is that,
01:52about Mr. Chaudhary's Form 45,
01:53your songs do not have music.
01:55The 175A gives clear rights to the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
02:01You can talk about it wrong or right,
02:02but this is the right of the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
02:05The Supreme Court does not have the right to re-write.
02:09The judgment of the Supreme Court,
02:11that judgment is a public property,
02:12I will tell you a little bit about it.
02:14But it has not been re-written,
02:15this is your argument, it has been re-written.
02:17Yes, it has been re-written, Sir.
02:18This is my argument.
02:19This is the argument of a majority of Pakistan,
02:22of the Waqf-e-Nau community.
02:23Okay, where has it been re-written?
02:25Where has it been re-written?
02:27Tell me where has it been re-written?
02:29Where there is no requirement for the interpretation of the verse,
02:33when we will interpret it there,
02:35it is a re-writing of the Constitution.
02:37This is the first thing.
02:38This is what Article 51d says.
02:40Okay, now the main thing,
02:41now the point is that,
02:42Okay, where has it been interpreted, tell me that too.
02:44You ask a question in between,
02:45you ask a question in between,
02:46you interrupt me and interrupt the whole thing.
02:50These are facts.
02:50What I basically want to talk about,
02:52you will remove it and make me a questioner.
02:55I told you that I want to do an analysis,
02:57I am not asking a question to Faisal Borda Sahib.
02:59I want to give clarity to the matter.
03:01Then if you are talking half-heartedly…
03:03One argument, Hassan Ayub,
03:05wrong argument, a majority will do wrong,
03:07you can say that this is in my opinion.
03:09You cannot enforce your argument that this has happened.
03:13You say that this has happened in my opinion.
03:15Yes, I am expressing my opinion.
03:17I said that I am doing its analysis,
03:19I am building my own argument.
03:21I have only talked about this.
03:22When did I say that Khawar Guman Sahib will agree with me?
03:24Okay, okay, please do it quickly and include the rest too.
03:29Sir, I will do it quickly only when you let me speak.
03:32If you interrupt me again,
03:33then my talk will not be complete.
03:34Yes, yes, do it.
03:36Look, the Supreme Court's decision,
03:38the appeal of Article 185,
03:40the Supreme Court of Pakistan is using Article 183 and 187 in it,
03:45so fingers will be raised on this decision,
03:47because Article 51D is very clear.
03:51Hassan Ayub, when you say something wrong,
03:53then I have to correct it.
03:58You know that when the case went to the Supreme Court,
04:02that it was a matter of interpretation of the law,
04:05it was an interpretation that this matter has happened,
04:07it should be interpreted.
04:08No, it was not a matter of interpretation of the law,
04:10it was an appeal of Article 185.
04:11Sir, you are speaking wrongly.
04:13You interrupted me and then you yourself spoke wrongly.
04:16This was an appeal of Article 185 in the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
04:19The Supreme Court did not even ask for an interpretation.
04:22Now see, there is an appeal of the Sunni Daat Council,
04:24in that they appealed against the decision of Peshawar High Court.
04:27Where did the interpretation answer come from?
04:30So, the matter of interpretation was an objection.
04:32Mr. Faisal Wadi, we were talking to each other every day,
04:35we will do it, now we are doing it to each other.
04:38They objected that a five-member bench should be made on this.
04:43Then the court made a full court on this.
04:45Mr. Ali, let me clarify a little.
04:48I am not talking to you, I am just clarifying.
04:50Why did the Supreme Court make a full court?
04:51Why did the Supreme Court make a full court on this issue?
04:54The full court was made because
04:56at least a five-member bench should be made.
04:59Mr. Nagri, please comment and also ask questions.
05:03Mr. Faisal Wadi, I am 100% agree with what Mr. Wadi said.
05:06He is absolutely right.