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00:00In Bahia, in Rio Grande do Sul, we're going to Rio Grande do Sul now, in Minas, in the whole of Brazil, we're going to be in the same faith.
00:09Let's go there with Bishop Guaraci, now he has a very strong testimony there in Rio Grande do Sul. It's with you, Bishop Guaraci.
00:15Thank you very much, Bishop Jardim. Yes, nothing better than to hear from those who went through this experience as it was.
00:22I have here by my side Mr. José Cantini.
00:26Cantini, right? Cantini. José Cantini.
00:29Because it is impossible for a person to enter into a pact on Monday and make available to the altar what the altar asks for and not have to count one before and one after.
00:40And that's what I wanted you to tell me. Your before and your after. Who were you when you arrived, your trajectory, and who is the person who is talking to us today?
00:52Bishop, I was a child who grew up full of complexes.
00:57Thoughts of death, any frustration was a reason to be tormented by thoughts of death.
01:05As I told you, when I was little, I was about 9 or 10 years old, I took rat poison, hidden from my parents.
01:14Did you know it was rat poison?
01:16Yes, I knew. And as far as I remember, nothing happened.
01:22And I had, sometimes I put a rope around my neck. I had these suicidal thoughts.
01:31I knew that my life was not going to last long.
01:35And my father drank a lot. I was 12 years old when I started drinking, 13 years old when I started drinking.
01:42So I saw that I thought I was different, but in fact I was walking the same path as my father.
01:51And with these complexes, with fear, a sudden fear, full of problems, I came to know faith through television.
02:04But at that moment when you came to know faith, what was your state?
02:07Because we understand that from an early age you had a spirit of death.
02:12But not even death wanted you.
02:14It was two suicide attempts that didn't work.
02:17From then on, what changed your life to the point that you came to Universal,
02:22since out of every 10 Brazilians, 9 swear together that they will never enter the Universal Church.
02:31Right?
02:32Right.
02:33So what brought you to the Universal Church?
02:36What brought you to the Universal Church?
02:38Faith, because when I saw the programming of the Church, I had never seen the Universal Church.
02:46So when I saw that there, that faith, that spirit, it was something that identified me.
02:54Because that's how I believed in God.
02:56I believed in a God who could do everything.
02:58It wasn't a limited God.
02:59Because I came from religions where God seemed to be limited.
03:02And when I saw the testimonies of the things that happened, I said,
03:06no, this is the true God who makes the impossible possible, who makes the sick healed.
03:12This is the God I want, this is the God I believe in.
03:17So that's how I went to the Church, and I freed myself.
03:24But you didn't tell me how you were at that moment.
03:26We understood your situation as a child.
03:28Yes.
03:29The day you arrived at the Universal Church, what was your state?
03:32How was your life in general?
03:34No.
03:35My mother was sick.
03:37My father was addicted.
03:39I had no perspective.
03:41With these thoughts that attacked me.
03:44I had a knowledge of the Gospel, but I wasn't well.
03:55I had no direction.
03:58I didn't know what could happen to my life.
04:00I had no perspective.
04:02So, the thoughts were not...
04:06I had no hope.
04:10That's the truth.
04:11I had no peace.
04:12I had no hope.
04:13I didn't have, let's say, God wasn't with me at that moment.
04:21I arrived, I felt bad.
04:23The first meetings.
04:25But soon, two weeks later, I didn't feel anything anymore.
04:31I freed myself and embraced faith with all my strength.
04:35Even there, I lived in a small town.
04:39I already had a direction.
04:41I came to live here in the capital.
04:43I thought, I'm going, I'm going.
04:46It was a direction from God.
04:48Because there, I thought, I'm going to the capital to look for a better job.
04:56I thought, have a better life.
04:59That was my idea.
05:01And then I came here.
05:02I came to live in favor.
05:04In the back of an uncle's store.
05:07And in faith.
05:09But, many times, I saw the conflicts.
05:11Because I looked at the situation.
05:13Because I left the fear.
05:15Many times, I acted in doubt.
05:18So, it was when I read a word in the Bible,
05:22Samuel 22,
05:25that David, the son of David,
05:28he says, he chased my enemies and I reached them.
05:31I only came back after I had given them the rope.
05:34Because I needed this spirit.
05:36To chase.
05:37Because I looked at my situation.
05:39At that corner where I lived, only with a mattress.
05:41Without a bathroom.
05:43Heating hot water in a tap.
05:47In this resistance, in the shower, I heated the water to drink coffee.
05:51So, that was my situation.
05:52And my family, many relatives, still against my faith.
05:56Saying, no, you're crazy.
05:58To the point that my mother had borrowed money once to get me.
06:03So, these were the struggles we went through.
06:06But I had this spirit of chasing.
06:09To go after.
06:10To act in faith.
06:11Regardless of my situation.
06:13Regardless of my state at that moment.
06:16What was valid was what I believed in.
06:19If people believed in me,
06:21it didn't matter anymore.
06:24And I fought, fought and spoke.
06:27Once I spoke to God.
06:29Even though I didn't achieve anything in this life.
06:32But from the Lord, I don't give up.
06:34If you're thinking I'm here at the Universal Church to make money.
06:37No.
06:38I'm attached to the Lord.
06:42And I sought the Holy Spirit.
06:44I made a purpose, Fogueiras Santos, for the Holy Spirit.
06:47While I couldn't, I didn't stop at this request.
06:51So, until you had this spirit that you saw in Davi's story.
06:55Your goal inside Fogueiras and Pacto II
06:59wasn't for anything else, but for the Holy Spirit.
07:01Exactly.
07:02And did you receive it?
07:03Yes, sir.
07:04I received the Holy Spirit.
07:06And from the Holy Spirit?
07:07Then, we face everything.
07:12Then, it was, let's say,
07:18I made my purposes.
07:21My God, I need this now.
07:23I went out there and achieved it.
07:25I came here, my God, I need this now.
07:28So much so that my life started to move forward.
07:31I bought my first car.
07:33Two months later, I had a purpose.
07:36I gave the car.
07:37Then, I bought an apartment.
07:41I had a purpose, I sold it.
07:44I went to the altar.
07:45And so it came.
07:47My best, my everything, I want it to be in the altar.
07:50In other words, your goals didn't come before the Holy Spirit.
07:53No, sir.
07:54Otherwise, you would have lost them, as you did before,
07:56because you wouldn't have a direction.
07:58So, after the Holy Spirit, you put all your strength to receive it.
08:01From the Holy Spirit to here.
08:03Everything that God gave you and that is now stable in your life.
08:06What did José Cantini become?
08:09What did God give him?
08:10What does the altar and the Holy Spirit lead and sustain?
08:14The most precious is the presence of God.
08:17The family.
08:19Because I thought, I'm not going to have children.
08:21Because if it's for my son to go through misery, I'm not going to have children.
08:25I don't want my son to go through misery.
08:27I don't have the courage.
08:28I can suffer, but to see your son suffering?
08:31No, I can't.
08:33And then God gave me the family.
08:36I have my own company.
08:38My wife has her own company, but we work together.
08:42I have a third company, together with my entourage,
08:45which is a house of events.
08:48From my company, I now have 8 franchises.
08:52I have the company's building.
08:55Each house on the beach, I have our house.
09:00My house today, as I lived in a piece that didn't even have a bathroom,
09:04my house has 6 bathrooms.
09:06These days, I said, I remembered this situation.
09:10Each achievement is a story that I have to tell here, a miracle.
09:15And you lived in a shed where, to drink coffee,
09:18you heated it with the resistance of the shower.
09:20That's right, I put the coffee powder there,
09:23there was a coffee powder there, soluble,
09:25so I took it, heated it there, took it out,
09:28and drank the coffee there, because there was nothing.
09:32In other words, we didn't talk about improvement, we talked about a turnaround.
09:35Exactly.
09:36So, Bishop Jardim, let me see how strong, right?
09:38The achievements did not come before the Holy Spirit.
09:41You see that God did with him what he did with Abraham.
09:44It took 25 years for God to give Isaac to Abraham,
09:47because it was the time that God waited for the token to fall,
09:50and Abraham understood that more than a son, he needed a father.
09:54When God managed to be his,
09:56because before God gave what Abraham wanted,
09:58God wanted Abraham to have him.
10:01When Abraham had him, he gave the son,
10:03because he knew that Abraham would not be lost.
10:05And that's what happened to him.
10:07God could have made him what he is today, before giving the Holy Spirit.
10:11Giving the franchise, the nine companies, the cars, the beach houses.
10:16But if he didn't have the Holy Spirit,
10:18to have the proper wisdom to manage this, without getting lost,
10:22then God gave the Holy Spirit first.
10:25And with the Holy Spirit, direction to established conquests.
10:29In other words, he is a new Abraham.
10:32José Cantini is a new Abraham, Bishop Jardim.
10:35You know, Bishop Guaraci, today in Rio Grande do Sul,
10:38what are the timings and addresses?
10:41We will still have now, at noon we are already having,
10:45three in the afternoon, 18 and 19.30.
10:48We already had 6.30, 8.10 for those who are watching to know,
10:52that every Monday there are seven hours here.
10:556.30 in the morning, 8.10 noon, 15, 18 and 19.30,
11:01on Júlio de Castilhos Avenue, 607.
11:04God bless you and see you there.
11:06Thank you, Bishop Guaraci. A hug for the witness.
11:09My friend and my friend, what else do we have?
11:12They are children of Abraham.